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Atticus Fynch	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:13:00 - [1] OK, why does EVE allow players to place warp bubbles right on the jump gate? Jumped into 0.0 and landed right into a warp bubble. This guy had them 3 deep at the gate. Yes...I got podded.
Silver Tongues	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:16:00 - [2] Why would CCP (EVE) stop it? It's a valid tactic for gate camping. Whether it's a sucker bubble, interdictor, or Hic bubble on the gate, it catches people going through it. Yes it sucks, but you're in 0.0, what else did you expect?
Ximen	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:17:00 - [3] Welcome to 0.0 space
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Silver Tongues Why would CCP (EVE) stop it? It's a valid tactic for gate camping. Whether it's a sucker bubble, interdictor, or Hic bubble on the gate, it catches people going through it. Yes it sucks, but you're in 0.0, what else did you expect? It doesnt give you a fighting chance. I couldnt lock onto him becuase I was "cloaked" from the jump. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/12/2009 09:21:04 Nullsec is an entirely different animal than regular space. Of the non-solo corps I've been in, all have now been involved in nullsec ops, so I know the deal. It's a hazard of the business tbh. In nullsec lie great rewards, but also considerable perils, which include drag bubbles and other assorted horse hockey. This is all by design. CCP wanted nullsec to be an unpredictable, hostile place dominated by the whim of those who choose to inhabit it.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:21:00 - [6] OK, why does EVE allow players to shoot at me?
Gerrick Palivorn	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:21:00 - [7] The bubbles are allowed on the gate for practical reasons. Security in Null-sec, is just that null. If your jumping into a 0.0 system, expect a bubble. The game is intended to work differently from High-sec (PVE, with a splash of PVP) Low-sec (pirating and ganking, but better resources) and null-sec (Alliance warfare and complete control of system resources). IMO In the end bubbles are allowed to be placed on gates, for system security, especially involving alliance and pos warfare. 0.0, your entering someones game empire, they don't know you, they don't like you, they pod you. My rule is, if your going into 0.0, expect to get podded, it's part of the game. If you can't stand the bubbles, stay in empire.
Ka'Lonji	Posted - 2009.12.06 09:44:00 - [8] And another thing, the other day I was trying to sell some Minmatar Shuttles for 100k ISK, but then someone sold some for 99K ISK. Why does EVE allow this?

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Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2009.12.06 10:02:00 - [10] I thought bubbles had to be placed around the gate and that they couldn't encompass it -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00

DaDutchDude Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.12.06 10:15:00 - [11] There are distinct differences between high sec, low sec and 0.0 space, and the use of bubbles is one the 0.0 specific mechanics. Don't expect to be able to travel safely through 0.0. You can do a lot of things to make it safer and some to make it almost completely safe, but there will always be an element of risk. Your job is to manage those risks, not complain about them. When you come through a gate and find yourself in a bubble, take your 30 second jump invulnerability time to analyze the situation: 1) Who is on grid with me and what are their combat capabilities? 2) Are there any other ships on a 360 directional scan from the gate? 3) Who is in local? Do they belong to the same corp / alliance as the people on grid with me? 4) What is the closest edge of the bubble? Is there a celestial somewhere in line with that? 5) What are the combat capabilities of my ship? Take your hands off your keyboard and mouse so you don't accidentally decloak yourself, process all of that information and make a choice what would give you the best chance: a) burn back to the gate: usually the safest, but there might still be problems on the other side. Wait out your session change timer before breaking cloak or you'll be stuck on the gate. Also, don't cause aggression by shooting at people or activating ewar, since this will also get you stuck on gate. b) burn out of the bubble and warp off: when a bubble isn't well centered on the gate and/or not very big, this might be a good option, because it also allows you to continue to your destination c) fight to stay alive or at least take someone down in the process: this can be the most fun or most frustrating option, depending on your ships ability versus his/their ships. Covops can escape safely a lot of the time using the mwd + cloak trick. Small ships with a MWD usually have a good chance of getting back to the gate. Bigger or slower ships are usually in a bit of a pickle and will have to fight their way out. This is why you shouldn't fly bigger ships through 0.0 unscouted unless you're willing to loose them. Good luck :) _____________________________________ Agony Unleashed (home of PVP University)
Kestrix	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Atticus Fynch OK, why does EVE allow players to place warp bubbles right on the jump gate? Jumped into 0.0 and landed right into a warp bubble. This guy had them 3 deep at the gate. Yes...I got podded. Ok common sence is required here, the entry gates to 0.0 are bottle necks and so you must assume that these will be camped more often than not. So when apporaching such a gate how can you tell if there is a camp on the other side? The map can give you vital clues, number of jumps in the last hour, number of ships/pods destroyed in the last hour. Another tatic if your still unsure is to dock up at your nearest station and use your pod to scout the 0.0 system (or even better if you have an alt send them through first in a shuttle), if it's camped you've lost your pod but your ship is safe. When entering 0.0 myself I'll try to time it with DT. Warp to the jump gate with seconds to spare before DT then wait for the servers to come back up and log on and jump through.
Apacalypto What You Leave Behind The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.12.06 12:35:00 - [13] Edited by: Apacalypto on 06/12/2009 12:36:08 There are people camping null who have nothing better to do than sitting on a gate in a bubble, or near in a sling bubble and wait for someone to pop in. Like those who are silly enough to warp to 0 from one gate to another. Heck we have... I mean they have been willing to sit for up to 2 hours for traffic. And heed DaDutchDude's advice. Most importantly the part about how when you pop in your temporarily untouchable. Just like how you can't target them when cloaked, they cannot target you. Your next actions are generally the only thing that determine if you live or die. War does not determine who is right - only who is left. ~Bertrand Russell
Dacryphile	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Atticus Fynch OK, why does EVE allow players to place warp bubbles right on the jump gate? Jumped into 0.0 and landed right into a warp bubble. This guy had them 3 deep at the gate. Yes...I got podded. You should have had more friends with you. Or at least a scout. Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Brother Thantos	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Brother Thantos on 07/12/2009 06:00:28 recruit eve babies and send them into bubbles silly. Don't blame it on eve. I say this as the hardest working drug dealer in the game. BTXI
Fastbikkel T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:08:00 - [16] Bubbles i don't mind, we use em as well to our advantage. But... the only real thing i do not understand, is why warp core stabilisers have no use in a bubble. I think it would be more than fair if they can be used to get out of a bubble. For now, i'm perfectly ok with eve mechanics. Hence, this is what makes 0.0 exciting. -If the enemy is in range, so are you-
Rhak Amharr Minmatar Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Fastbikkel Bubbles i don't mind, we use em as well to our advantage. But... the only real thing i do not understand, is why warp core stabilisers have no use in a bubble. I think it would be more than fair if they can be used to get out of a bubble. For now, i'm perfectly ok with eve mechanics. Hence, this is what makes 0.0 exciting. You're in a corporation called "T.H.U.G L.I.F.E" and suggest that WCS should be an interdiction nullifier? Jesus christ, get into Fluffy Business Inc. Also, people falling for an obvious troll ITT.
Fastbikkel T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Rhak Amharr Originally by: Fastbikkel Bubbles i don't mind, we use em as well to our advantage. But... the only real thing i do not understand, is why warp core stabilisers have no use in a bubble. I think it would be more than fair if they can be used to get out of a bubble. For now, i'm perfectly ok with eve mechanics. Hence, this is what makes 0.0 exciting. You're in a corporation called "T.H.U.G L.I.F.E" and suggest that WCS should be an interdiction nullifier? Jesus christ, get into Fluffy Business Inc. Also, people falling for an obvious troll ITT. I have no clue about you. WCS can be an excellent tool to complete a certain goal. I agree, if you fight, you don't need em. But for any kind of transport they are damn useful. If you don't want to see that, im ok with that. But please keep your limited view to yourself next time. -If the enemy is in range, so are you-
Madla Mafia	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:54:00 - [19] Gotta love how the author of this thread posts once, and then never returns...
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Fastbikkel Originally by: Rhak Amharr Originally by: Fastbikkel Bubbles i don't mind, we use em as well to our advantage. But... the only real thing i do not understand, is why warp core stabilisers have no use in a bubble. I think it would be more than fair if they can be used to get out of a bubble. For now, i'm perfectly ok with eve mechanics. Hence, this is what makes 0.0 exciting. You're in a corporation called "T.H.U.G L.I.F.E" and suggest that WCS should be an interdiction nullifier? Jesus christ, get into Fluffy Business Inc. Also, people falling for an obvious troll ITT. I have no clue about you. WCS can be an excellent tool to complete a certain goal. I agree, if you fight, you don't need em. But for any kind of transport they are damn useful. If you don't want to see that, im ok with that. But please keep your limited view to yourself next time. You're very, very stupid. WCS would have no counter if that was the case. ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.

Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Intigo You're very, very stupid. WCS would have no counter if that was the case. A scram? A Disruptor?
Fastbikkel T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Intigo You're very, very stupid. WCS would have no counter if that was the case. Aah the joy of the eve online forum, insulting again. So... almighty god, how come im stupid, you seem to know all the answers. :-)Would you send me a picture of yourself, so i can put you on my wall? So what is the counter against a bubble now then? The way you say it here makes me believe there is a counter already available? MWD is no counter, that is just a way of hoping to get out. I already said i dont mind bubbles, im just giving an option to counter a bubble, because now there are none. Take it easy man, if you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one. Im not so sure you would call me stupid if we met in real life, its so easy to hide behind your account. -If the enemy is in range, so are you-
Phunket	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Fastbikkel Originally by: Intigo You're very, very stupid. WCS would have no counter if that was the case. Aah the joy of the eve online forum, insulting again. So... almighty god, how come im stupid, you seem to know all the answers. :-)Would you send me a picture of yourself, so i can put you on my wall? So what is the counter against a bubble now then? The way you say it here makes me believe there is a counter already available? MWD is no counter, that is just a way of hoping to get out. I already said i dont mind bubbles, im just giving an option to counter a bubble, because now there are none. Take it easy man, if you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one. Im not so sure you would call me stupid if we met in real life, its so easy to hide behind your account. Actually there is. If you want to completly ignore warp bubbles all you need is a following: Tech 3 ship outfitted with a nitty little subsystem that allows you to do just that. The name of it skips my mind right now but its the usual considering the hazy state i am always in. Otherwise tactics listed before are all good tactics to use. "While others go pew pew we go puff puff"
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.08 19:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Lightningshade on 08/12/2009 19:55:49 Originally by: Fastbikkel Originally by: Intigo You're very, very stupid. WCS would have no counter if that was the case. Aah the joy of the eve online forum, insulting again. So... almighty god, how come im stupid, you seem to know all the answers. :-)Would you send me a picture of yourself, so i can put you on my wall? So what is the counter against a bubble now then? The way you say it here makes me believe there is a counter already available? MWD is no counter, that is just a way of hoping to get out. I already said i dont mind bubbles, im just giving an option to counter a bubble, because now there are none. Take it easy man, if you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one. Im not so sure you would call me stupid if we met in real life, its so easy to hide behind your account. If that's the case ECCM isn't a counter to ECM - as it doesn't guarantee not being jammed Cap injector isn't a counter to neuts - because neither guarantee 100% chance of survival MWD does increase your chance of survival, and cloak. ECCM does increase your chance of not being jammed Injector does increase your chance of being neuted to heck and back. Thus - MWD is a counter - without 100% chance of survival. Why should we be able to fit <wrong mod name here - meant to say the sub> on every ship?
Lady Katrana Wild Jokers	Posted - 2009.12.08 20:10:00 - [25] Because putting them in asteroid belts would be silly.
Cameron Freerunner	Posted - 2009.12.08 20:13:00 - [26] What's the obsession with a "counter" to bubbles? If what you mean is that you want to click on something and have it go away, there is no counter (obviously). However, you can kill an interdictor and the bubble goes down a little bit later. Or you can destroy the bubble generator/device/anchored object. Failing those options, all of your other options are primarily movement and scouting based "counter" tactics. MWD and cloak is definitely the best. And if I had to guess what the game mechanic behind bubbles was, it would be creating a genuine need for true scouts and providing a method of restricting freedom of travel. If you think about it a moment, each level (hisec, losec, nosec) provides decreasing levels of freedom of movement. In the first you need agression or war to get a chance to scram and kill someone. In the second, you need only the opportunity, but thats all the help you get. In the last, you get one more option for arresting or restricting movement. Without bubbles, it would be laughably easy to travel. While I would love that, it wouldn't be particularly challenging. IMO much of the talk about broken, overpowered, etc. is not taking into account that group play provides the necessary balance. If you look only at solo play or evaluate ships only in terms of mods/attributes, you're going to miss out on a lot of stuff.
Swearte Widfarend Gallente Aurora Security Art of Defiance	Posted - 2009.12.08 21:08:00 - [27] If you don't like bubbles, spend several hundred million isk on a T3 cruiser, and install your favorite Interdiction Nullifier subsystem. Problem solved...
ZeeWes	Posted - 2009.12.09 00:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Ka'Lonji And another thing, the other day I was trying to sell some Minmatar Shuttles for 100k ISK, but then someone sold some for 99K ISK. Why does EVE allow this? hahaha, quite funny indeed.
Calimero Janssens	Posted - 2009.12.13 00:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Rhak Amharr You're in a corporation called "T.H.U.G L.I.F.E" and suggest that WCS should be an interdiction nullifier? Jesus christ, get into Fluffy Business Inc. Also, people falling for an obvious troll ITT. A WCS breaking bubbles isn't a fluffy suggestion: It would make warp bubble campers sweat a bit more, hence you would have a lot more trouble holding your 0.0 space. Results: more territory shuffles. I wouldn't call that a fluffy thought.


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