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Russell Casey
Goldbug Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:22:00 -
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Yeah...they're hoping to kill you and keep the collateral, fyi. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Of Mordor
18
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:29:00 -
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Makkal
Hauling is all about the risk, and it can be very fun to do. There is nothing wrong with it, I ratted for years for pennies in lowsec for the fun of it. Don't get trapped in the isk game, play for fun. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
99
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:38:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Yeah...they're hoping to kill you and keep the collateral, fyi.
So - frequently, when you deliver on one of those lop-sided contracts, you're shafting a ganker. 
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1965
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:46:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Russell Casey wrote:Yeah...they're hoping to kill you and keep the collateral, fyi. So - frequently, when you deliver on one of those lop-sided contracts, you're shafting a ganker.
It's even better with the contracts to Sov stations you have docking rights at. Accept it with a neutral alt, contract it to your main, return it and complete it. Enjoy trolling your blues.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:51:00 -
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I put multi-billion collateral contracts up for a one or two million fee because I can and someone will take it.
You do not have an inalienable right to a profitable hauling business. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
142
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:55:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Why don't you just do npc courier missions? They pay better.  Player courier contracts, like Jita local, exist only as scams, and are not worth reading through.
Not all player contracts are scams, but plenty of them are.
NPC courier missions, on the other hand, are a good source of income. Nothing you'd ever want to build your EVE career on, mind you, but not bad. You can get into a ship that flies L4 distribution missions MUCH earlier than you could a combat ship that can solo L4 security missions.
A low sec Level 4 courier mission with negotiation IV and Dist Connections IV will pay about ~500k isk (provided you get the time reward) and ~1000 LP. The cargo is generally between 4000-8000m3 in size and the missions will send you anywhere from 2-8 jumps (this can vary depending on your agent and where you're running them). High sec dist missions pay less and are hair-tearingly boring. Low sec ups the rewards and keep things interesting with the occasional gate camp that you may or may not survive.
I personally just run them when I need to grind up rep with an NPC corp.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
250
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:01:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Russell Casey wrote:Yeah...they're hoping to kill you and keep the collateral, fyi. So - frequently, when you deliver on one of those lop-sided contracts, you're shafting a ganker.
What does the scammer lose if you successfully deliver? The 1 mil isk reward?
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1965
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:10:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:silens vesica wrote:Russell Casey wrote:Yeah...they're hoping to kill you and keep the collateral, fyi. So - frequently, when you deliver on one of those lop-sided contracts, you're shafting a ganker. What does the scammer lose if you successfully deliver? The 1 mil isk reward?
The better scams have ~20m rewards and go to sov null.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
361
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:48:00 -
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I sympathize, OP. When I create courier packages I try to pay at least 80~100K per jump in high-sec, especially if it's along a main corridor. It's still peanuts, but it's more than most contracts I've seen.
On some nights when I have the child (and she's being only slightly agreeable) and can only "one-arm" EVE, I log onto my indy alt and run packages in a nanoed Atron. The ISK is pretty **** but it passes the time. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than mining because you get to watch the scenery roll by and see who's camping which gates, etc... That's not exactly saying it's much fun, though...
My suggestion is to train up to cov ops (bonus: you can then fly SBs which gives you a fun PvP avenue) and run high value items from buy orders in choice low- and null-sec locations. Or, if you're extremely ballsy, try to beat the station and gate campers in hot spots buying their under-priced bait goods and selling them in trade-hubs for good profits (never tried this myself, but if you want some thrills without using guns...)
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
537
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:44:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:I use courier contracts almost daily to ship items all across EVE. I wouldn't even consider hauling anything around highsec myself, unless I need it right away. In the time it would take me to do the hauling I could make fifty times what I have to pay the hauler. Plus if I get blown up, my stuff is gone and I'm SOL. If a courier gets blown up, I get paid, and I make money.
There are two values input when creating the contract: the collateral and the reward.
The collateral depends only on the value of items I want shipped. It is a simple insurance - if you fail (willingly or not) to ship the contract, I don't lose money. As I always overcollateralize, I actually make money if a hauler is being dumb, picks up six contracts with a billion ISK of stuff in each, and gets blown up. If I ship 500M worth of items, I will set the collateral to 550M - regardless of distance, volume, sec status, etc.
The reward is dictated by the open market, just like everything in EVE. As long as there is enough people willing to move billions of ISK and thousands of m^3 across half the galaxy for pennies, I have no rational reason to pay more. There is no hate or compassion for newbies involved, no desire to screw anyone over or throw ISK at people. Business is business.
Yes, the result in the current state of EVE is a very harsh contract market. Pretty much everything (including highsec mining) can make you more money than picking up courier contracts, if you can be at least somewhat behind the keyboard. But due to the high supply of haulers, courier contracts will always be as cheap as is the cheapest hauler willing to accept.
However don't quit just yet if you want to live the life of a space truck driver. There are heaps of ISK to be made hauling items between different trade hubs. Look for systems where people need to buy a lot of stuff - starter systems, mission hubs, nullsec entrances. See if you can find items that sell that you can buy cheaper in a trade hub and move them there for profit. The offers aren't given to you on a silver plate, but once you find out how to spot profitable trades, you will be rolling in ISK.
I collateralize (real word?) differently. I use current market replacement cost + transport. If I lose an item contracting freight, then the collateral allows me to purchase the item from the closest market hub instantly... because it's the "closest" hub, the freight cost becomes negligible.
Otherwise... I just AFK haul it myself  |
Tony Two Bullet
Monocle Madness
The Mockers AO
47
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:45:00 -
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A personal rule is never move a container that doesn't pay at least 5%-10% of the collateral, if not 10%.
i.e. a 3 Billion ISK Collateral should be at least 30m ISK to move.
If they can afford 3Billion isk in goods, then they can afford 30m-60m ISK to move it.
So, just keep that in mind.
If you don't do the work then they will realize they have to pay more to do it.
Courier contracts is a tough business for sure.
CEO-á
Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1327
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:12:00 -
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For those "I smell trap" contracts just accept them with another character so the gankers expect to find him on the way, then re-contract on your main.
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