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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.06 21:56:00 -
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Subject says it all really- while ago I got an idea would be easy cash flow if I could be a broker but too lazy to make a post. So how can I get to be established as a trusted 3rd party service?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.06 21:57:00 -
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Very, very slowly.
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:09:00 -
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You can take my Trusted 3rd Party Certification Course for a 1 time fee of 1b isk.
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Angus McSpork
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack Subject says it all really- while ago I got an idea would be easy cash flow if I could be a broker but too lazy to make a post. So how can I get to be established as a trusted 3rd party service?
You could start by not making a post about how lazy you are about making a post.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:15:00 -
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I may have miss typed/ I meant to say its an idea that's been in my head for over a month or 2 but only now however I'm starting to do my research- hope that clears up any misconception.
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Carine Parnasse
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack I may have miss typed/ I meant to say its an idea that's been in my head for over a month or 2 but only now however I'm starting to do my research- hope that clears up any misconception.
Ahhhh, a month ago you thought how swell the gravy train sounds, and only now you put your plan into action? Your plan consisting of asking "How can i get you guys to trust me with billions of ISK?"
Right.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:40:00 -
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A good way to go about becoming a trusted third party is to make a single post in MD and note in it that you have a desire for 'easy cash' and are lazy. After that, you can just sit back and wait for people to flock to your door and trust you with their valuables.
Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax A good way to go about becoming a trusted third party is to make a single post in MD and note in it that you have a desire for 'easy cash' and are lazy. After that, you can just sit back and wait for people to flock to your door and trust you with their valuables.
Dually noted now if the puns are finished I would appreciate serious posts that have useful info rather than stale comedic stunts.
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Originally by: Frenden Dax A good way to go about becoming a trusted third party is to make a single post in MD and note in it that you have a desire for 'easy cash' and are lazy. After that, you can just sit back and wait for people to flock to your door and trust you with their valuables.
Dually noted now if the puns are finished I would appreciate serious posts that have useful info rather than stale comedic stunts.
It was both humorous and informative.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Originally by: Frenden Dax A good way to go about becoming a trusted third party is to make a single post in MD and note in it that you have a desire for 'easy cash' and are lazy. After that, you can just sit back and wait for people to flock to your door and trust you with their valuables.
Dually noted now if the puns are finished I would appreciate serious posts that have useful info rather than stale comedic stunts.
At this point, you should've already gotten the message that you're not going to be a trusted broker ok?
Tools for Research Business
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Dzil
Caldari RED DESCENT
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Originally by: Frenden Dax A good way to go about becoming a trusted third party is to make a single post in MD and note in it that you have a desire for 'easy cash' and are lazy. After that, you can just sit back and wait for people to flock to your door and trust you with their valuables.
Dually noted now if the puns are finished I would appreciate serious posts that have useful info rather than stale comedic stunts.
I'm biased of course, but I'd recommend starting a service of some sort. Hauling, wholesale dealing, corp sales (plug), etc. Through said service you can accomplish many things: make isk, connect with others around EVE, build your interpersonal skill set, and allow your integrity to manifest into reputation.
These are all things you will need to be successful as a broker.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:20:00 -
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Being a broker is only so lucrative as it is because very few people are universally trusted.
I don't assume OP is a scam automatically because a lot of people probably do look at broker work and wish they could get in on that legitimately, but, if we all could none of us would want to anymore, paradoxically.
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Wyehr
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack Subject says it all really- while ago I got an idea would be easy cash flow if I could be a broker but too lazy to make a post. So how can I get to be established as a trusted 3rd party service?
These words mean things, it isn't like a job title.
If you are serious about this, I recommend that you start thinking of ways to establish a reputation for being a neutral 3rd party or broker that other people can trust.
One method with a 100% success rate (so far) is to find a major deficiency on the EVE website and then spend 6 years running a public website to overcome that problem while mining veldspar until you have so much ISK that you don't to worry about ISK ever again. Then come back to find out about step 2.
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Originally by: Frenden Dax A good way to go about becoming a trusted third party is to make a single post in MD and note in it that you have a desire for 'easy cash' and are lazy. After that, you can just sit back and wait for people to flock to your door and trust you with their valuables.
Dually noted now if the puns are finished I would appreciate serious posts that have useful info rather than stale comedic stunts.
so, to make this clear, you want:
- not work much - get lots of isk - be a trusted member of eve
in return you offer
- a post that took about 20 seconds to create
To be honest with you, i am amazed that people (including me) are even wasting their time to reply to a post like this. If you want to get into serious business, make serious posts and do your f'in homework instead of posting ***** around here which will get neither you nor anyone else anywhere.
now, as the puns are finished, you happy?
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:31:00 -
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This goes to those flaming on what is now apparent my failed pun of lazy not creating a post at the spurr of the moment when I though about the idea. 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but a trusted broker just holds the goods for a short time and then transfers to the other party minus their cut to be paid to them . Ex. like in a mothership deal - Now unless I'm missing something this transaction does not require some ludicrous effort and time invested and omg's to go through (talking about transaction here only - NOT the rep building part) so excuse me should I just be blunt and honest. On a side note I'd like to think it shows I'm not whimsical. 2. About me posting OMG only 1 thread - my point in this thread was to hopefully get concrete info I can use and go from there/ possibly make more post if necessary when I have more specialized things to bring to light. So summed up this is more like probing info kick-start of my research if you will/ at this particular phase I don't think 20 threads or otherwise spamming the forums is necessary. As I get info I get a better idea of pursuing this career option and I guess have more "eloquent" threads for the flammers.
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F90OEX
F9X Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:39:00 -
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Sounds like your looking for a lazy way to make Isk, thing is most known people who have offered 3rd party services have invested years into trading, manufacturing etc and have made enough Isk that they do not rely on there income from just alone on 3rd party services.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil
I'm biased of course, but I'd recommend starting a service of some sort. Hauling, wholesale dealing, corp sales (plug), etc. Through said service you can accomplish many things: make isk, connect with others around EVE, build your interpersonal skill set, and allow your integrity to manifest into reputation.
These are all things you will need to be successful as a broker.
Your input is much appreciated Dzil- will look into these thing further. If I can get more posts here like this that actually contain tibits pointer advice ect. that I can use / look into more that would be great.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack a trusted broker just holds the goods for a short time and then transfers to the other party minus their cut to be paid to them . Ex. like in a mothership deal - Now unless I'm missing something this transaction does not require some ludicrous effort and time invested and omg's to go through (talking about transaction here only - NOT the rep building part) 2. About me posting OMG only 1 thread - my point in this thread was to hopefully get concrete info I can use and go from there/ possibly make more post if necessary when I have more specialized things to bring to light.
1. correct 2. It takes lots of successful transactions to be able to get the trust to do anything like this. In order to even get people to consider trusting you for super caps you would have to have completed hundreds of transactions with a large number of different players. Smaller things such as holding collateral it depends. However when starting off don't expect to hold more than a few million worth of items and you would have to do it for no fee or next to nothing for a fee.
Then you have to deal with the having every person that says you did a successful transaction being called an alt of yours.
Expect to spend a year or two being very active in both ingame chat channels and forum whoring with correct and useful information.
The negative tone of all your posts so far will result in 99.9% of people considering your just out to scam them, and the remaining 0.1% will probably end up scamming you.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack This goes to those flaming on what is now apparent my failed pun of lazy not creating a post at the spurr of the moment when I though about the idea. 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but a trusted broker just holds the goods for a short time and then transfers to the other party minus their cut to be paid to them . Ex. like in a mothership deal - Now unless I'm missing something this transaction does not require some ludicrous effort and time invested and omg's to go through (talking about transaction here only - NOT the rep building part) so excuse me should I just be blunt and honest. On a side note I'd like to think it shows I'm not whimsical. 2. About me posting OMG only 1 thread - my point in this thread was to hopefully get concrete info I can use and go from there/ possibly make more post if necessary when I have more specialized things to bring to light. So summed up this is more like probing info kick-start of my research if you will/ at this particular phase I don't think 20 threads or otherwise spamming the forums is necessary. As I get info I get a better idea of pursuing this career option and I guess have more "eloquent" threads for the flammers.
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Davramm
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Davramm on 07/12/2009 02:50:02 My version of a trusted broker: someone who is very hard working, keeps on top of the markets moment by moment. Any time you need something or need to unload something, they will understand that you are asking for 0.1% less than the going margin because they are that in tune with that is going on:
What I think you are hoping for: you log in from time to time, lots of people mail you offers of buying and selling items: you see an easy 5-10% gap between the multi bilion isk margins and cash in with no research or effort
If you ever have a service of any kind that you are offering, I will go out of my way to utilise it
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX Sounds like your looking for a lazy way to make Isk, thing is most known people who have offered 3rd party services have invested years into trading, manufacturing etc and have made enough Isk that they do not rely on there income from just alone on 3rd party services
I wont say that's entirely untrue however ealier today I also starting doing research for another operation I'm considering involving renting research slots and in the course of the thread an issue between game mechanics and trust came up which basically promted me to start this thread. To get what I'm talking about check out this.linkhttp://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227893
So from there I was thinking it would be good if I can build some reputation so I can run this business. But yes I am on the look out for new sources of revenue though I'm not looking to entirely base my money on brokerage. And note I wasn't thinking becomming a broker in itself will happen overnight but I do think when u are a broker then brokerage itself is not very work consuming from there on when established.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.07 03:05:00 -
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I do a significant amount of brokering and third party services in MD, usually holding over 25B in collateral at any one time and upto 87B ISk was the max (currently 64B).
It certainly isn't the cash cow you seem to think. I usually charge one off fees of 50M ISK for using my services.
I make at most 300M a month, but more likely 150M. I doubt I make much of a profit for the amount of leg work or talking to customers I put in.
People who provide the best services have done a hell of a lot of work to get there.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I do a significant amount of brokering and third party services in MD, usually holding over 25B in collateral at any one time and upto 87B ISk was the max (currently 64B).
It certainly isn't the cash cow you seem to think. I usually charge one off fees of 50M ISK for using my services.
I make at most 300M a month, but more likely 150M. I doubt I make much of a profit for the amount of leg work or talking to customers I put in.
People who provide the best services have done a hell of a lot of work to get there.
Well even still if its not such a cash cow brokering was the first thing that popped into my mind as a solution regarding a potential trust issue on the operation I'm thinking of with renting r&d slots if u check the link in above post or look for my thread in Science and Industry forums about r&d renting.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.07 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Davramm Edited by: Davramm on 07/12/2009 02:50:02 My version of a trusted broker: someone who is very hard working, keeps on top of the markets moment by moment. Any time you need something or need to unload something, they will understand that you are asking for 0.1% less than the going margin because they are that in tune with that is going on:
What I think you are hoping for: you log in from time to time, lots of people mail you offers of buying and selling items: you see an easy 5-10% gap between the multi bilion isk margins and cash in with no research or effort
If you ever have a service of any kind that you are offering, I will go out of my way to utilise it
Davramm the exact thing you are describing is more of a trader than anything else. In my view a broker is a 3rd party entity that holds whatever goods/ isk during the course of a transaction between 2 other parties to reduce fraud. Out of this they cut a cut out of the pie for keeping all parties content with the process of transfer X .
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Davramm
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Posted - 2009.12.07 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Davramm on 07/12/2009 03:48:38
Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Originally by: Davramm Edited by: Davramm on 07/12/2009 02:50:02 My version of a trusted broker: someone who is very hard working, keeps on top of the markets moment by moment. Any time you need something or need to unload something, they will understand that you are asking for 0.1% less than the going margin because they are that in tune with that is going on:
What I think you are hoping for: you log in from time to time, lots of people mail you offers of buying and selling items: you see an easy 5-10% gap between the multi bilion isk margins and cash in with no research or effort
If you ever have a service of any kind that you are offering, I will go out of my way to utilise it
Davramm the exact thing you are describing is more of a trader than anything else. In my view a broker is a 3rd party entity that holds whatever goods/ isk during the course of a transaction between 2 other parties to reduce fraud. Out of this they cut a cut out of the pie for keeping all parties content with the process of transfer X .
You may very will be right, and i may misunderstand, but I would call that an escrow agent.
I see a broker as someone in real life who buys and owns items from suppliers, because he has contact with consumers of those goods.
The difference is he actually buys and owns the goods, and then sells them to the disctributor for a small profit
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Forranz
Malice. Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:06:00 -
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If I did an escrow service it would be because I like helping people -- not because of a 'cash cow'. That's my take on it. You have to get known and (I personally) think of it like you would a business. Think things through fully.
That's also why I stick to the New Citizens Q&A forums. Helpin people is fun and it keeps them in Eve.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Kimoto Innovations
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Posted - 2009.12.07 09:29:00 -
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You need to engage in activities that involve public trust. Unfortunately if you engage in said activities PURELY because thay involve public trust then that is considered to be 'grinding rep'. One thing is for sure though. Somebody is more likely to trust you with large amounts of their isk if they know it would be of no particular benefit to you to run off with it. So the 1st thing you need is to be independently wealthy. Around about 100b should fit the bill.
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Hoodat Bee
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Posted - 2009.12.07 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Davramm Edited by: Davramm on 07/12/2009 03:48:38
Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Originally by: Davramm Edited by: Davramm on 07/12/2009 02:50:02 My version of a trusted broker: someone who is very hard working, keeps on top of the markets moment by moment. Any time you need something or need to unload something, they will understand that you are asking for 0.1% less than the going margin because they are that in tune with that is going on:
What I think you are hoping for: you log in from time to time, lots of people mail you offers of buying and selling items: you see an easy 5-10% gap between the multi bilion isk margins and cash in with no research or effort
If you ever have a service of any kind that you are offering, I will go out of my way to utilise it
Davramm the exact thing you are describing is more of a trader than anything else. In my view a broker is a 3rd party entity that holds whatever goods/ isk during the course of a transaction between 2 other parties to reduce fraud. Out of this they cut a cut out of the pie for keeping all parties content with the process of transfer X .
You may very will be right, and i may misunderstand, but I would call that an escrow agent.
I see a broker as someone in real life who buys and owns items from suppliers, because he has contact with consumers of those goods.
The difference is he actually buys and owns the goods, and then sells them to the disctributor for a small profit
You're right, but Eve is unfortunately opposite land when it comes to any sort of terminology. Heck, just in the past few months there have been several "IPOs" that were repeat bond launches. It's enough to make a dude ill.
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:14:00 -
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First change your name. No offense but your name is pretty good for a can flipper or something like that, not so good for a "serious" business person. You are rockin out to Godsmack and are like "I am totally awesome this business plan" as you chug a Mountain Dew and eat Doritos. People around here eat waffles, get with the program.
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Tigerras
Smash Box Blue
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:16:00 -
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Steps:
1. Create a new character for it, your name isn't screaming "trust me" and this character is already not trusted by most of the marketing forum. 2. Start by offering to broker and hold in trust some of the holdings for the various lotteries that are constantly in the sell forum. 3. You will have to start small and work your way up. Brokering is largely a word of mouth business. Chribba is huge because he's very wealthy *and* because his business has spread by word of mouth for years. 4. Be an active, positive member of the marketing community here. Invest in some things here, and casually offer to broker larger and larger deals. 5. Be modest in what you can handle, most of the people here distrust eagerness as an attempt to steal their money (most times, rightly so).
Estimated time until you'll be brokering anything worth the fees: 6-12 months. Not easy money nor fast money. -Tig
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