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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:00:00 -
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my main idea is i would like to see some upgrades for us poor miners in our very expencive but very poorly defended ships one of the main upgrades i would like to see is the idea of making mining lasers able to strip mine other ships in combat after all we often get shot at with no way to shoot back other than the use of drones would also like to see some defencive equipment thats is only for mining ships use like a version of the warp core stabalizers that dont reduce your targetting range and the best idea saved till last a capital ship exhumer made strictly for low sec and 0.0 space mining.
this is for us miners who never got any upgrades or new ships :)
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:02:00 -
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One period? Are you serious?
Also, your ideas are horrible and have been discussed tons of times before.
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big fish
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:14:00 -
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Amazing idea, combat hulks for the win  .
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Czert ElPrezidente
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:57:00 -
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Hard to say, but in low sec systems for minners ii is surrivav need to have some pilots as CAP. You pfofist will be lower, but you will be safe.
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mchief117
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Posted - 2009.12.07 23:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Grarr Wrexx
One period? Are you serious?
Also, your ideas are horrible and have been discussed tons of times before.
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You are aware this is the suggestions forum right..... ok then....
IÆm all for these as I in fact have suggested this myself. All the pirates/pvpers complain that there are not enough targets in low sec/null, but yet there the first to complain when someone suggests giving miners ships that could actually fight back.
The name of the post was "giving miners some teeth" and the idea was simple, mining lasers could hit structure directly with enough force that a signal attacker would need to seriously consider how much they want to take out there prey but at the same time would not stop a dedicated pirate fleet. they where also only allowed on barges to prevent fleets from using them as weapons of ultimate destruction as everyone knows a hulk is not the speediest ship.
It was discussed and opinions varied, that the direct to structure was bad but if you think about it the mining lasers would have to do killer damage to break through a pvp fitted ship to do enough damage to cause a pirate to consider his options. thus if I can melt your structure to 20% by the time you break my armour you might think of leaving , while bringing back 5 of your buddies still means IÆm dead.
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Aunt Red
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Posted - 2009.12.08 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aunt Red on 08/12/2009 00:15:06
Originally by: mchief117
Originally by: Grarr Wrexx
One period? Are you serious?
Also, your ideas are horrible and have been discussed tons of times before.
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but yet there the first to complain when someone suggests giving miners ships that could actually fight back.
(snipp clueless drivel)
You completely fail to realize that it would only lead to PVP-ers using them exclusively to gank everything?
It¦s like giving a terrorist a tactical nuke and arm the bomb for them.
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Metalcali
Pacific Industrials
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Posted - 2009.12.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: mchief117
You are aware this is the suggestions forum right..... ok then....
Then it was the OP's fault for not searching for a current thread and posting his ideas, or support, in one of them?
I can fly, and do mine in, a hulk. There's at least one video I can remember of someone pvping in a hulk, and winning multiple times, a few loadouts on evemon, and your imagination with eft if you want an exhumer, designed for mining, to do anything else.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Locked.
OP does not contain an idea.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dralos
my main idea is i would like to see some upgrades for us poor miners in our very expencive but very poorly defended ships one of the main upgrades i would like to see is the idea of making mining lasers able to strip mine other ships in combat after all we often get shot at with no way to shoot back other than the use of drones would also like to see some defencive equipment thats is only for mining ships use like a version of the warp core stabalizers that dont reduce your targetting range and the best idea saved till last a capital ship exhumer made strictly for low sec and 0.0 space mining.
this is for us miners who never got any upgrades or new ships :)
Longest. Sentance. Ever.
See also: Bad Ideas.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:39:00 -
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Whille we are at this I think its totaly unressonble that my cerberus cant mine at all, how can I get that essential minerals if Im in a ship that has 0 mining yeld? My proposal its to introduce a miner missile.
/fail request
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2009.12.08 21:16:00 -
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now then to explain a basic idea of how the mining lasers work against other ships.
1) make the mining lasers run at about 25% of normal speeds when shooting other ships
2) make the damage spread across the shields, armour and hull simultaniously in effect shaking the ships apart like an asteroid
After all these lasers wreck asteroids so wrecking a ship should just be as easy. 
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Jainia Soltella
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Posted - 2009.12.08 21:28:00 -
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Or.... you could join a corp and have friends to protect your hulk. "Massively Multiplayer" and all...
I've mined in 0.0 for almost 2 years now and have yet to lose a barge to a roaming gang, it really just takes a little teamwork. Heck, a noob alt watching the gate in the next system is enough to get aligned and safe (and switch ships to go pop the guy).
Trying to give industrials teeth isn't the answer when there are so many solutions that fit within the existing mechanics.
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David Grogan
Gallente
Final Conflict UK
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Metalcali
I can fly, and do mine in, a hulk. There's at least one video I can remember of someone pvping in a hulk, and winning multiple times, a few loadouts on evemon, and your imagination with eft if you want an exhumer, designed for mining, to do anything else.
that video is no longer relevant
1. Nos got nerfed
2. Nos got nerfed
3. Nos got nerfed
SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Gaborelle
Gallente
Final Conflict UK
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:52:00 -
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i'd love a hulk that can fight back......
i'd love to be able to spank a pirate in an exumer. and just think of all the new trolls on the forums coming for pirates complaining that they got their t2 assault frig or interceptor spanked hard by a miner....
their tears would nourish me
though i disagree with mining lasers bypassing ship's tanks and hitting structure directly... a fair fight is what we want not an i-win in my hulk button.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.12.09 12:55:00 -
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I don't think mining ships should have guns. After all, they are built to MINE, not combat. For that, you need to bring a security force. However, I do think a hulk should have the tank of a hac.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:17:00 -
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There is only one viable combat strategy for mining ships: GTFO.
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:59:00 -
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horrible idea... you want strip miners to blast ships? 
Originally by: Abrazzar
There is only one viable combat strategy for mining ships: GTFO.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: David Grogan
Originally by: Metalcali
I can fly, and do mine in, a hulk. There's at least one video I can remember of someone pvping in a hulk, and winning multiple times, a few loadouts on evemon, and your imagination with eft if you want an exhumer, designed for mining, to do anything else.
that video is no longer relevant
1. Nos got nerfed
2. Nos got nerfed
3. Nos got nerfed
It dont make the video irrelevant.
Why not? Because the guy changed his setup and keep doing the same.
Source
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:35:00 -
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the videos are irrelevant to the point that we miners want to mine not have hulks armed with actual lasers but to be able to use our strip miners to strip a ship in exactly the same way that they strip asteroids away after all ships are made of the very stuff that comes out of the roids are they not ?? so why is it then we cant strip mine ships who attack also ??
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:46:00 -
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Because of shields maybe?
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:54:00 -
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if its a case of the shields can block the effects of lasers then the amarr are up the creek without a paddle aint they :)
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Puppy UK
Amarr
Illusions Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 16:28:00 -
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And I want my Lazers to be able to mine ore..
And salvage wrecks...
there an INDUSTRIAL SHIP
none combat ships...
and thats the whole idea...
If you want safe.. go to a 1.0
If you want riches, you take a risk ( of bring some pvp friends along )
IMHO
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Wurzel Gummidge
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Posted - 2010.02.15 16:39:00 -
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Oh I get so confused between these two, could someone help me please
is it a tractor, or is it tank?
I can't read and I can't write, but that doesn't really matter,
Cos I come from Trowbridge and I can drive a tractor |
Gray Pawn
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Posted - 2010.02.15 16:54:00 -
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Strip mining lasers work against bare rocks. Shields block the effects of mining lasers. Perhaps a mining laser set against a shieldless target could do damage, but that doesn't help if your mining barge can't take down someone's shields.
Giving strip mining lasers a special ability all their own (direct to hull damage), or giving them the ability to compete with current weapon types, is just asking for abuse. If you want to mine in low/null sec, get some friends to be successful. It's the same basic idea for any other profession attempting to operate in low/null sec.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.15 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dralos
if its a case of the shields can block the effects of lasers then the amarr are up the creek without a paddle aint they :)
Don't amarr ships have any shields at all then?
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.02.25 23:20:00 -
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im on about how they use lasers dopey s**t man some people can be so stupid sometimes try reading whats wrote and then try understanding whats wrote before making stupid assed comments.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.25 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dralos
im on about how they use lasers dopey s**t man some people can be so stupid sometimes try reading whats wrote and then try understanding whats wrote before making stupid assed comments.
Sorry, after reading your idea I thought this thread was about making stupid comments, didn't realise it was a serious suggestion.
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.02.26 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Dralos on 26/02/2010 00:26:02
it does say features and ideas discussion forum not sarcasm or stupid comments discussion.
hence i wrote an idea might not be a popular idea but its still an idea.
i'll guarantee that the ones that shout the loudest against the ideas of mining and industrial ships getting any upgrades or abilities to be able to fight back are the ones who like seeing lots of undefended ships kills on their kill boards to beef up the total isk lost sections.
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.02.26 00:43:00 -
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id like to point out there is more than just the idea for the mining lasers to work on ships there is the idea of making some modules specific to mining ships also like a stab that doesnt reduce optimal ranges and the need for a much tougher class of mining ship for the more dangerous areas of space outside of high sec.
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dr moocow
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Posted - 2010.02.26 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Wrexx
One period? Are you serious?
Also, your ideas are horrible and have been discussed tons of times before.
what he said. Mining ships are not for combat!!! Get the **** out of the belt if theres a red in local
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.26 05:07:00 -
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If you want a hulk to be better defended, make the following changes to them:
- Reduce the Hulk's mining yield to be equivalent or just above a Covetor
- Increase the Hulk's tanking capabilities to be equal to a Battleship.
This way, Covetors would be used in low-risk areas where you don't need a tank. Hulks would be used for null sec or low sec. The idea is that a Hulk should survive long enough against a small gang for your friends to warp in and save you.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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