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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:43:00 -
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Okay, catchy title to get eyes on this page. Essentially, I will outline how to run scams in Jita, or any other well populated system, for the intent of educating forum participants and lurkers to defend themselves against scams. Knowledge is the best defense.
Basic tactics to avoid scams:
1) Do not be in a hurry. Most are duped because they are in a hurry and don't check everything carefully.
2) Do not be greedy. Contracts that are too good to be true are most probably scams. Especially if the contract is being sold lower than other Want to Buy contracts available, ask yourself why this contract is special and incredibly cheap. Probably because it is a scam.
3) Check everything. Twice.
Common Jita Scams:
CONTRACTS
Contracts are the biggest scammers I've seen. Essentially, each contract scam tries to sell you something for a seemingly cheap or decent price, but it tries to pass off a lesser valued item instead. For example:
1) Navy ships: Contracts can be named. The scammers name the contract "Raven Navy Issue" or "Megathron Navy Issue" or, with the Dominion faction ships, "Scorpion Navy Issue".
How to recognize: There are real contracts out there. You will need to recognize the difference.
For these navy scams, open up the contract and look at the item. The name of the ship will be listed in big letters on the contract: Raven x 1.
If you're still unsure, click the Show Info button next to the item. The Show Info window will pop up. Ignore the name of the ship, look at the attributes. Educate yourself on the difference between the regular and the navy version of the ship. A Raven Navy Issue has 7 launcher hardpoints, for example. A Raven has only 6. This is a surefire way to recognize legitimacy.
2) Navy Modules: This is the same as number one, just taken to the modules. People will try to pass off Invulnerability Fields as Caldari Navy Invulnerability Fields, for example. Or Photon Scattering Fields as Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field. Less often do they try to pass the modules off as Complex modules (e.g. Pith), but just check everything twice and don't be in a hurry.
3) The Trade Contract: These scams are little more subtle. Someone puts up an item exchange contract, either as a Want to Trade or Want to Buy, asking you for an item and supposedly offering money for it or offering something in trade. Check these ones three times. Personally, I don't trust contracts like this unless I put the contract up myself, but you can still spot them.
How to recognize: This one's easy enough that people don't do it. READ. The contract is spelled out. There will be a "This item is offered". That's the item that goes to you if you accept the contract. Also, "This item is asked for". (I don't remember the exact titles. I'm typing this up at work.) That's the item the other person wants from you. They might convo you about a trade, saying they'll give you a Caldari Navy Caracal if you give them something cheaper, like an assault frigate. Then, they flip it in the contract, asking for the CN Caracal and offering the cheaper item.
3b) The Want to Buy scam. These are like the trade contract, flipping what is wanted and what is offered. They might tell you in chat they want to buy a Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, but instead in the contract they ask for the Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher AND your ISK. Or, more subtle, they tell you they are offering you the item, but really the contract is asking for the item AND your ISK. Again, READ the contract. Pay attention for "This item is offered" type headers.
Pay attention to colors. Red. means you are giving that up. A red ISK amount means you are giving up the ISK for the contract. Green means you are getting.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 08/12/2009 16:44:15
4) Off by a Factor of Ten: Some contracts are off by a factor of ten, hoping you won't notice. For example, they offer you 200,000 units of Megacyte (usually omitting the , to make it harder for you to catch) in chat or the name of the contract. Instead, the contract may show that they are only offering 20,000 units. Don't be in a hurry. Don't be greedy. And check the number of 0's.
5) Multiple Items: To throw you off that the contract isn't valued as it should be, the scammer may add multiple items to the contract. For example, a Charon is not a carbon, but the letters are similar, if you're reading quickly. If the scammer put just a Carbon in the contract, however, people will be able to tell from the picture that it's a lump of coal. Multiple item contracts don't show the pictures, so they'll throw a few General Freighter Containers in their and hope you don't read carefully. As always, click the Show Info item to make sure you're getting what you want.
6) Blueprint Scams: These generally try to sell you a blueprint copy as an original. These can be very difficult to spot, especially if you don't know the value of the originals and/or the copies. A single blueprint is fairly obvious. Next to the picture you will see the words Blueprint Copy or Blueprint Original. A multiple item contract is much harder. The "Blueprint Copy" tag is way off to the right and you may have to expand the contract window to even see it.
As always, click the Show Info on the item. On the first page, under the item the blueprint produces, you'll see the words Blueprint Original or Blueprint Copy. Alternatively, you'll also see the number of liscenced production runs. An original blueprint has an infinite number of runs. A copy has a limited number of runs.
CHAT SCAMS (One on one)
Personally, I never trust anyone that has to chat with me to sell me something. I always have to ask myself why that person couldn't better sell the item on the market. Usually, because it's a scam.
7) Trade Window (Ships): It's easy to use a trade window to disguise an item being traded. A player can rename his own ships and the user made name will show up in the window, not the ship's actual name. So the scammer will tell you he's selling you a Dominix Navy Issue, and it looks like that in the trade window, but it's only a Dominix renamed "Dominix Navy Issue".
How to recognize: Just as in #1 above, right-click > Show Info. Examine the stats. Know the product you think you are buying.
A way to get a good base line to compare, if you don't know the product you are looking for, is typing the name in a chat window. Type "Dominix Navy Issue", then highlight the name and right-click > Auto link item. The window will provide you with a Show Info link to the item with the real stats you are looking for. (So you don't then send the link into chat, delete the text so the field is empty and press enter.)
8) Trade Window (rigged): Ships in the chat window may not be rigged as the other player claims. Have them put it up in a contract.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:44:00 -
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LOCAL CHAT SCAMS (Public)
These are the scams that are spammed into local chat.
9) Contract Scams: Seem 1 - 6 above. These scams are often spammed in local chat in the trade hubs.
10) Rich Benefactor: These scams read as so. "I am bored and/or want to be generous. I have X Bil ISK in my wallet. Send me any amount of ISK and I will give you back 5 times the amount."
First, I almost think that any idiot that wishes to give his ISK to such a blatant scam deserves to be separated from his ISK. But then, there are the new players that don't understand what's going on. For their sake:
THIS IS A SCAM. If you give random player in Jita ISK, he's not going to give it back. Very small amounts (say, under 10k), he may do as he claims and give back 5 times the amount. This is a bait tactic. He wants you to trust him so you will give him more. Then he will keep your ISK.
11) "I'm selling Megathron Navy Issue (link) for 200 Mil. Chat with me if you're interested." This is a variation on 1 and 7 above. The link they give in the chat window is a link to the Show Info for the actual Megathron Navy Issue. When you chat with them they'll open a trade window and perform 5, giving you a regular Megathron NAMED Megathron Navy Issue. The Show Info link in chat is to convince you, so you don't Show Info on the ship in the trade window.
EVE MAIL SPAM
10) Mass Email: This is generally a variation on 11 (which itself is a variation on 1 and 7 above). Instead the email everyone with the message, instead of posting it in local.
Unfortunately, this may give some the idea that they will go try these scams out. It is a possible unfortunate by-product. Hopefully this will also warn some, especially new players, of some existing scams and how to recognize them.
Know of any other common Jita scam techniques? Post them here!
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Dzil
Caldari
RED DESCENT
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:02:00 -
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Does this belong on MD so much as C&P?
MD scams look more like "Hey, I'm starting up this bank..."
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:05:00 -
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Well done. That covers everything I've seen.
Not complaining, but C&P does seem more appropriate. Most productive impact might even be the noob or general forums.
Regardless, good work.
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Babyface Thirteen
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:07:00 -
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The big question is. Do people in the MW forum really have a need for this info? Do stupid people who buy carbon for 500mill even hang out on the forums at all?
And isnt the best way to learn how to avoid scams "the hard way"?
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 08/12/2009 17:13:52
You could all be correct as to the location. I asked myself the same. I figured that would-be traders that would need to know this would naturally come to this forum channel, not C&P. Also, would be a good place for experienced traders to notice it, if they wanted to link it to help out the less experienced.
I also considered that an idiot should be separated from his ISK (and learn the "hard way"  ), but let's be nice to the new players.
EDIT: This also may eventually be included in my Complete Incomplete Guide to Trading.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:51:00 -
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I've recieved several emails in my EVE history asking if I wanted to buy a ship off them. I send it back asking to contract and they have every time. I even send em the 10,000 ISK after the sale to cover the cost of the contract.
Just recently (A few days before Dominion) I picked up a Damnation for 100mil this was below market reprocess value even BEFORE Dominion. Months before that I picked up 2 Hulks for 70mil each. Each time I asked why they where selling and I got back "I can't fly em anywhere to sell em" this is in highsec mind you. And a different person every time.
I'm getting 1 out of 4 scam rate on EVE Mails. I don't know if it's just because maybe people see my name and know I have ISK to buy this stuff, or maybe they stolen em from Corp and looking to cash out quick, or they just need Cash NOW!
So while I agree with (10, which should be 12) I wouldn't instantly dismiss someone eve mailing you offering a cheap ship. Because 3 out of 4 have been legit for me.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:56:00 -
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 Originally by: SencneS
So while I agree with (10, which should be 12) I wouldn't instantly dismiss someone eve mailing you offering a cheap ship. Because 3 out of 4 have been legit for me.
Thanks. I haven't had such good results. 
I updated the text to better reflect my intention. Like points 1 and 7, you want to use the Show Info to verify you're not getting a scam (though in a contract it should be more recognizable).
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Vasta Magna
Yarex Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
So while I agree with (10, which should be 12) I wouldn't instantly dismiss someone eve mailing you offering a cheap ship. Because 3 out of 4 have been legit for me.
You're super lucky then. I've followed up on maybe 10 out of a couple dozen spams I've received recently, every single one an obvious faction ship name scam. Never been offered a T2 ship in this manner.
Most of them are laughable, there will be a WTB contract up for the genuine item significantly higher than their price, yet for some reason instead of taking the instant sale they would rather spend hours spamming people. They are just so excited to share their bargains with the world!
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vasta Magna
there will be a WTB contract up for the genuine item significantly higher than their price, yet for some reason instead of taking the instant sale they would rather spend hours spamming people. They are just so excited to share their bargains with the world!
A Gift For You!
I get that one all the time.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:59:00 -
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Let me add a pattern I've recognized to your contract scam list.
This is to build up trust. You might see 3-4 contracts quickly posted by the same person in local, something like
[Navy Cruise Missile Launcher]
[Navy Cruise Missile Launcher]
[Navy Cruise Missile Launcher]
[Navy Scorpion]
Checking the first three contracts will indeed reveal that they're "real" contracts - meaning, the items in those contracts are Faction CM launchers. No scams, all prices reasonably. But, watch out! That Navy Scorp is just a regular Scorp. The scammer has tried to gain your trust with the legit contracts. He hopes, you're too lazy to check all contracts - after all, the first ones were OKish, weren't they?
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:16:00 -
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as i didnt read to carfull ( ) i might have not seen it, but is it possible you did miss the following ones
Sell Item as an Item with a similiar Name
for example, a Raven and 6 CN Cruise Missles as a Raven and 6 CN Launchers or 1 Unit of Carbon as a Charon
Sell Rig BPCs for Rigs
for example a Drake and 3 CDFP Copies for a Drake and 3 CDFPs
Courier Contract Scam
Send someone to his death by sending him to some highsec which can only be reached thru lowsec. Aridia / Solitude are popular choices for this. If he dies, you get the collateral for your Tengu, which was infact a couple of 800's Cap Boosters.
This can be modified with the 'Dumb Issuer' scam, where it seems the issuer forgot one 0 as collateral to attract scammers themselfs.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:17:00 -
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Ooo, that's just sneaky. :P
I haven't noticed that one before. 
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:30:00 -
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I regularly attempt to take up the trade window scammers in jita, usually giving them a factor of 100 less than they are trying to get.
However, I have come across several where the show info actually takes you to the navy issue ship. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there some way to embed auto-links into names?
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
7) Trade Window (Ships): It's easy to use a trade window to disguise an item being traded. A player can rename his own ships and the user made name will show up in the window, not the ship's actual name. So the scammer will tell you he's selling you a Dominix Navy Issue, and it looks like that in the trade window, but it's only a Dominix renamed "Dominix Navy Issue".
Yup just pay attention and take it slow. The truth is if they cant do it in a contract they are probably up to something so pay extra attention.
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Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor
I regularly attempt to take up the trade window scammers in jita, usually giving them a factor of 100 less than they are trying to get.
However, I have come across several where the show info actually takes you to the navy issue ship. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there some way to embed auto-links into names?
If you're looking at the Show Info from a link in the chat window, that's the wrong data. A right-click > Show Info on the ship in the trade window should give you the data on the actual ship.
Maybe another case of trying to build up trust with you? In any case, if you ever see differently, please let me know.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
I regularly attempt to take up the trade window scammers in jita, usually giving them a factor of 100 less than they are trying to get.
However, I have come across several where the show info actually takes you to the navy issue ship. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there some way to embed auto-links into names?
If you're looking at the Show Info from a link in the chat window, that's the wrong data. A right-click > Show Info on the ship in the trade window should give you the data on the actual ship.
Maybe another case of trying to build up trust with you? In any case, if you ever see differently, please let me know.
No, I mean I have right clicked on a ship in the trade window and gone to show info, and am taken to the info page for the navy ship. Of course, the ship in the trade window is unpacked, and the name changed to the navy name, but one would think show info would take me to the correct info page, which is why I am asking.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor
No, I mean I have right clicked on a ship in the trade window and gone to show info, and am taken to the info page for the navy ship. Of course, the ship in the trade window is unpacked, and the name changed to the navy name, but one would think show info would take me to the correct info page, which is why I am asking.
There should be something noted, that maybe I should have highlighted more up above. When you right click a ship in the trade window and choose Show Info it shows you the info for that ship. The name at the top will show the name the player named it (or at least it has whenever I looked at it). Hence, I emphasized to look at the attributes, such as the number of launcher hardpoints. Those shouldn't be wrong.
If they are, it needs to be reported as a bug. In my personal opinion, putting the player name of the ship and not the actual ship name in the title is wrong, too, but one could argue that that's right, I suppose.
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Drab Cane
Carbenadium Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:55:00 -
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Dretzle, nice article. Personally, I think MD is the best place for it.
Good job.
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SexyTrader 02
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Posted - 2009.12.08 21:07:00 -
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There's a lot of variations to contract scamming. Thoroughly reading contracts is very VERY important. One scam I saw was someone offering a set of Crystal implants. It was slightly lower than the other ones, say like 1.95b as opposed to the others at 2b. BUT there was 2 Crystal Epsilons and 0 Crystal Omegas. It's subtle and something people probably miss a lot. It really is just making people pay for being in a rush or not being thorough.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.12.08 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
There should be something noted, that maybe I should have highlighted more up above. When you right click a ship in the trade window and choose Show Info it shows you the info for that ship. The name at the top will show the name the player named it (or at least it has whenever I looked at it). Hence, I emphasized to look at the attributes, such as the number of launcher hardpoints. Those shouldn't be wrong.
If they are, it needs to be reported as a bug. In my personal opinion, putting the player name of the ship and not the actual ship name in the title is wrong, too, but one could argue that that's right, I suppose.
Well, that certainly explains it... but wow. Certainly explains that one caracal I bought for 80m way back and then vowed to never use a trade window with a stranger ever again. I don't think that even happens with ships in your hangar you aren't piloting does it?
Thats so bad I would think its a bug. Or at least is a feature until it gets fixed then its a bug. This should be CLEARLY explained up top, as I read it and did not get this.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.08 22:00:00 -
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Nice guide!
I don't think it's only for new players. I've been around for a while and yet I had no idea that the show-info on a ship in the trade window lists the ship name and not the ship type in the title bar. 
I was actually close to falling for one of those scams the other day - though I didn't realize it at the time. The scammer was trying to sell me a navy scorp via the trade window. It was competitively priced, but not so cheap as to make me suspicious. As I was examining it, I got another incoming convo where a complete stranger asked me if I happened to have a navy scorp for sale. He was willing to pay me way more than the "other" guy was selling for. That tipped me off that someting fishy was in the works and I terminated both convos.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.08 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Well, that certainly explains it... but wow. Certainly explains that one caracal I bought for 80m way back and then vowed to never use a trade window with a stranger ever again. I don't think that even happens with ships in your hangar you aren't piloting does it?
Yes it does. I just checked it.
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Krans Hopeson
Hypercube Ventures
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Nice guide!
I don't think it's only for new players. I've been around for a while and yet I had no idea that the show-info on a ship in the trade window lists the ship name and not the ship type in the title bar.
One work-around is to refuse to buy any non-repackaged ships through the trade window, because you can't set a custom name on a repackaged ship.
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Yarinor
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:06:00 -
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You forgot a contract scam, where poeple put rig bpos in the cargo of ships and sell them as rigged.
I dunno how much it's used, but I've seen it before
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Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:05:00 -
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Haven't checked lately, but there used to be a number of contracts for missile launchers where you got a different, vastly cheaper type. i.e. advertised as Faction/Arbalest heavy *7, but you get Faction/Arbalest (heavy) assault launchers instead.
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 12:12:00 -
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interesting
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2009.12.09 12:13:00 -
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I like to "cycle" the people who give you 10x isk. They usually say "one time only" or "two times only" to stop people from doing this, but I use my alts.
So I send them 100k, I get 1M.
Switch to an alt, send em 500k get 5M maybe, or 400k profit if not.
Switch to another alt, send em 2.5M, perhaps get 25mil, 1.9M profit if not.
And so on.
Best money I made off doing this was 5M in one go.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.12.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Nice guide!
I don't think it's only for new players. I've been around for a while and yet I had no idea that the show-info on a ship in the trade window lists the ship name and not the ship type in the title bar.
I was actually close to falling for one of those scams the other day - though I didn't realize it at the time. The scammer was trying to sell me a navy scorp via the trade window. It was competitively priced, but not so cheap as to make me suspicious. As I was examining it, I got another incoming convo where a complete stranger asked me if I happened to have a navy scorp for sale. He was willing to pay me way more than the "other" guy was selling for. That tipped me off that someting fishy was in the works and I terminated both convos.
I fell for a similar scam way back in my EQ life someone was a supposed quest bit and another was trying to buy it somewhere else. This was back before the Bazaar where all sales were done by hand in East commonlands.
Of course after I'd done the first trade the buyer disapeared and I realized I'd been scammed. That jewel is still in my characters bank as a reminder of the lesson learned.
Most cons rely on peoples greed to work. They make the mark think they are the ones who are getting over on the con artist. So many who are conned never report the event because not only does it make them look stupid it showcases the fact that they were willing to be a douchebag themselves.
It always comes down to if the deal looks too good to be true it probably is.
Another I saw in EVE wasn't a scam but was probably a trap. I was selling loot and saw that a particular item was going for a significantly greater amount in a system in low sec. I was in the process of loading it into a my cargobay when it occured to me that a really high price offered in a low sec system was a little too good to be true. Now maybe it wasn't a trap but I just couldn't get Admiral Akbar out of my mind and just sold the stuff for a more normal price locally.
As always the best advise is Caveat Emptor.
I did find it amusing when I went to Jita to pick up my Orca that the vast majority of contracts spammed in local were scams. It boggles my mind that people would actually fall for those but they must. Just like email spam someone must fall for it else the scammers would stop trying. And were they ever trying.
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Xaunt Rauber
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Posted - 2009.12.09 19:46:00 -
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Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:25:00 -
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I may be a little out of date here, but isn't there also the courier contract scams as well, the ones that ask for collateral and give a decent payout, but ether send you to somewhere you can't actually get to, or to somewhere, where theirs a camp waiting.
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.10 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: W3370Pi4 on 10/12/2009 01:01:32
The courier scam is a classic and only relys on the fact that some people don't check the route required to complete the contract : some bits of High sec are separated by a few low sec or 0.0 systems if you don't check the route you can't know that
and most of the time the courier content is only like some GFC or some huge crap and you cant haul it without a freighter/JF
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Posted - 2009.12.10 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.
Originally by: Tvaishk Suzuki
I may be a little out of date here, but isn't there also the courier contract scams as well, the ones that ask for collateral and give a decent payout, but ether send you to somewhere you can't actually get to, or to somewhere, where theirs a camp waiting.
you did not really read this thread, did you
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Xentana
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Posted - 2009.12.10 10:04:00 -
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Another scam i see from time to time is some guy who wants to buy a large number of a certain ship, but he says, that his market window doesn't work atm. So he wants to give you more for the ship, than the sell orders on the market.
In fact he is the one selling the ship and he won't accept your contract after you bought them from him.
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Xaunt Rauber
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Posted - 2009.12.10 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll
Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.
Originally by: Tvaishk Suzuki
I may be a little out of date here, but isn't there also the courier contract scams as well, the ones that ask for collateral and give a decent payout, but ether send you to somewhere you can't actually get to, or to somewhere, where theirs a camp waiting.
you did not really read this thread, did you
Since that has nothing to do with my post, no, I didn't.
If your refering to that post overall, yes I did, after I posted my post.
Point being? Merely reinforcing his post.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.10 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.
See number 5 in my original post.
The courier "scams" didn't really cross my mind. I don't know if I'd classify them as scams, more like traps, since if you can make it past the ambush you would really get the money you deserved from the contract.
The courier contracts that lead to a 0.0 station you can't get to is still debatable. Some of those can be valid contracts that the person would like someone with docking rights to be able to complete. At any rate, there's been many a thread arguing that one.
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Hannydue
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.10 16:02:00 -
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.10 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xentana
Another scam i see from time to time is some guy who wants to buy a large number of a certain ship, but he says, that his market window doesn't work atm. So he wants to give you more for the ship, than the sell orders on the market.
In fact he is the one selling the ship and he won't accept your contract after you bought them from him.
Yeah, that is a variation on 3b.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.12.10 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.
This definitely deserves a mention in the OP - it's one of the most common scams. On a similar plane, you have people who will pass off other items as more valuable variants, e.g. CN Photon Scattering Amplifier as a CN Invuln, or CN Cataclysm Cruise Missile in place of CN Cruise Missile Launcer; the names are similar, but one is worth far more than the other. Also, especially with that particular item, the contract description will sometimes state "x7" when only 1 unit is actually present (people usually want 7 of them for their CNRs, which have 7 launcher slots).
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.10 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.
This definitely deserves a mention in the OP - it's one of the most common scams. On a similar plane, you have people who will pass off other items as more valuable variants, e.g. CN Photon Scattering Amplifier as a CN Invuln, or CN Cataclysm Cruise Missile in place of CN Cruise Missile Launcer; the names are similar, but one is worth far more than the other. Also, especially with that particular item, the contract description will sometimes state "x7" when only 1 unit is actually present (people usually want 7 of them for their CNRs, which have 7 launcher slots).
I did mention it in the OP. Could I do something to bring it more to light?
The x7 thing is one that I neglected to note, though.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
10) Rich Benefactor: These scams read as so. "I am bored and/or want to be generous. I have X Bil ISK in my wallet. Send me any amount of ISK and I will give you back 5 times the amount."
First, I almost think that any idiot that wishes to give his ISK to such a blatant scam deserves to be separated from his ISK. But then, there are the new players that don't understand what's going on. For their sake:
THIS IS A SCAM. If you give random player in Jita ISK, he's not going to give it back. Very small amounts (say, under 10k), he may do as he claims and give back 5 times the amount. This is a bait tactic. He wants you to trust him so you will give him more. Then he will keep your ISK.
be careful this has different styles like two-three-10 times
some of the lower return ones actually send back isk for a few hours to get support
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.03 04:38:00 -
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Sorry to dig this thread up again, but just saw an interesting one. Riethe was "selling" a Class 6 wormhole, of course convo him if interested. I think the basic common sense is don't buy a bookmark off someone you don't know well. There's no way to verify the wormhole is there until you go to it.
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Bret Caliaro
Fortuna inc.
Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 04:53:00 -
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That's actually quite creative I miss the clever ones.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.03 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bret Caliaro
That's actually quite creative I miss the clever ones.
Leave it to Riethe. He's a scammer, but an effective one. I caught him doing a "navy" trade, convo if interested, though. Tsk, tsk. That's beneath you, Riethe.
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Bret Caliaro
Fortuna inc.
Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Bret Caliaro
That's actually quite creative I miss the clever ones.
Leave it to Riethe. He's a scammer, but an effective one. I caught him doing a "navy" trade, convo if interested, though. Tsk, tsk. That's beneath you, Riethe.
Will do, which caused some distress of a RL friend of mine who didn't understand why I prefered doing stuff the legitimate way just because it's harder (i call it a challange)
But had a funny converstation with a "navy" trade myself, I sent a simple reply saying if the offer was genuine I'd take it, he convo'd me and after a short pause he just said "Wait, I just realised your over 4 years old you know the difference..." so i laughed and talked to him for a while then wished him all the best at least he was honest with me. The worst ones are the ones who know they are busted but keep trying.
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Riethe
Circle of Iron
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Posted - 2010.01.03 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bret Caliaro
But had a funny converstation with a "navy" trade myself, I sent a simple reply saying if the offer was genuine I'd take it, he convo'd me and after a short pause he just said "Wait, I just realised your over 4 years old you know the difference..." so i laughed and talked to him for a while then wished him all the best at least he was honest with me. The worst ones are the ones who know they are busted but keep trying.
Assuming your victim is able to avoid being scammed based purely on their character age is a really naive assumption to make.
"At least he was honest with me" is ridiculous. Obviously that person is in the wrong field.
That's like not shooting at a solo ratting battleship with your 5 man gang because it's not a fair fight.
Also, in the spirit of the thread: EVE Scam
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Bret Caliaro
Fortuna inc.
Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 03/01/2010 05:54:18
Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 03/01/2010 05:52:08
Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 03/01/2010 05:50:40
Very true but he was a breath of fresh air to me, suppose when your scamming you have to assume everyone is a sucker until they prove you otherwise.
edit- i wouldn't go shoot rats in a 5 man gang where's the challange in that?
edit x2 - I'm drunk i re-re-read your post, true would probably ransom him though cos I'm a greedy bastard rather have isk than kill mail.
edit x3 - in fact you make a valid point, ignore the edits!
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.03 06:21:00 -
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I like the Eve-scam website.
I think it is better to have a bad or good reputation than no rep.
People want to believe that people like Riethe won't steal their money AGAIN!
In the past 2 weeks I have given out loans for more than 50B ISK with 60-70B ISK in collateral.
Both times I have had the collateral contracted to me for 0 ISK BEFORE the loan was given. I asked for the contract to be set at the loan amount but they didn't.
I still paid the money for the loan.
Could have made an easy 60B, but meh!!
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Bret Caliaro
Fortuna inc.
Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 06:33:00 -
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Some people are far too trusting, some guy trusted me with all his isk and belongings before he went away for the holidays! I wouldn't trust anyone except my RL mate who's legs are within breaking distance, (just kidding it's only a game but it's a comforting thought) but glad you honored it anyway cosmoray.
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Riethe
Circle of Iron
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Posted - 2010.01.03 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
People want to believe that people like Riethe won't steal their money AGAIN!
I don't know that I agree with this. Most people I come across aren't aware of who I am. I've never gotten an investment from someone that knows who I am. Then again, I haven't really tried.
Originally by: cosmoray
In the past 2 weeks I have given out loans for more than 50B ISK with 60-70B ISK in collateral.
Both times I have had the collateral contracted to me for 0 ISK BEFORE the loan was given. I asked for the contract to be set at the loan amount but they didn't.
I still paid the money for the loan.
Could have made an easy 60B, but meh!!
I don't find this to be unusual.
You're a well respected individual, pretty rooted into the community. There's not much incentive (currently) for you to steal from anyone.
It's possible that you might have a breaking point, though. Not necessarily the amount of ISK you're capable of stealing at that moment, but the conditions in your current environment that can potentially influence you.
I believe there are certain circumstances (per individual) that can influence anyone into that sort of behavior.
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