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Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.11 00:28:00 - [31] Originally by: nodezeon Guide sent to Dretzle Omega. Received. Let me look it over.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.11 00:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 11/12/2009 00:50:44 Okay, I looked over the guide he sent me. I received an actual guide that sounded well thought out and was halfway decent as far as spelling and grammar is concerned. Preliminary fact checking revealed no flaws, though note I didn't personally test the details in game nor do I personally guarantee the speed and amount of results, but it seems doable. I appreciated I am being thoroughly vague, but I wanted to try to okay what I approved without, as requested, giving anything away in the guide. As admitted by the OP in this thread, the information isn't anything that isn't publicly available, but it not only consolidates and simplifies but provides some simple steps and with a quick check I didn't see the information obviously presented in the stickies. Lawyer butt-covering: I cannot guarantee, of course, that the OP will send the guide after you send him ISK nor do I necessarily agree with his method of distribution, but as agreed I am reporting on what I've seen in a personal email with him. (I hope that covers everything. )
Borun Tal Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.11 02:17:00 - [33] If you have positive faction standing to other factions and some spare isk, run data center missions. Each level of mission requires different faction standings, and exchanging tags yields good faction increase. Search for "data center" on wiki.eveonline.com. There, that was free and can yield much better faction standing increases in the same period that the OP noted.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.12.11 02:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Wacktopia Edited by: Wacktopia on 10/12/2009 15:31:53 ==================================== Wacktopia's Free Faction Bst Guide ==================================== The solution to -5 faction standings or worse is to get in fleet with a pilot who is running Storyline missions for that faction. So, if you're -5 for Gallente then you need to find a buddy (or pay someone) to run missions for one of the Gallente corps (lets say "Federation Navy") whilst having you in their fleet. Every 16 missions they run will allow them to do one "storyline" mission and on completion of that mission both your Faction standings for Gallente will increase just a little. The alternative to this is to kill rats but you have to kill litterally thousands of them. This is actually not true, and the fact that the OP believes it is (but would take weeks) should lead anyone to not buy the guide from him, since he doesn't understand. You can't share faction standings gains from storyline missions, only corp standing gains from regular missions. On top of that, you cannot gain faction from shooting ships of any kind. This thread is But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. EVE has devs that care about sound? (Ha ha ha! Gotcha. It actually doesn't!)
Kapradian Amarr Assisted Genocide	Posted - 2009.12.11 02:47:00 - [35] (2nd time writting this as forum messed up) OMG Node!!! The one time i click on a random thread in this carebare hell hole its from you!! GJ on trying to get some ISK :P Ok, I know Node and he is not a scammer. I can personaly guarantee that this is not a scam (I have not read it but i expect a free copy), if he does scam you... send me a evemail and I will send you back a kill mail link when i blow him up for ya. Also he does not need any more free love from the eve community (he allready spends LOADS of his game time training up noobs)by giving this away for free.
Dacryphile	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Mur Mis also i wrote a guide that explains how not to buy guides that explain not to buy guides that are on the eve forum sent me 10 mil and ill sent u one p.s its sounds like a scam, but all info is in this post if you look really hard I have a similar guide for only 9M. Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Rin Taleda	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Pottsey I can do that. Just email me at [email protected] That or you can post an extract of the guide. Send to Pottsey if you want a well-known figure to validate it. Pottsey invented passive shield tanking.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Kapradian Also he does not need any more free love from the eve community (he allready spends LOADS of his game time training up noobs)by giving this away for free. Meh, I don't care. I'm of the open source school of thought. Human knowledge belongs to the world, and all that jazz. And it's not as if it's anything special that no one knows.
Exitar Stormscion	Posted - 2009.12.11 04:06:00 - [39] OK i will tell you how to fix your standings. It is very easy and simple. I was new to this game and i played a lot of missions for amarr navy eventualy reducing my standings with minmatar and galante under 9 each. Then i trained diplomacy to lvl4 but they were still under -5. I couldnt find any way on this forums at least to fix that. How did i fix it ? Well what happened was that my corp joined to minimatar MILITIA IN FactionWare. They had to remove me from the corp for two days couse my standing was reducing corp standing under 0.5 ( that is minimum to get into the militia afaik might be wrong ). Anyway after they joined i joined. Then my corp mates started doing missions ( missions were bugged back then ). They take mission i enter in fleet and we just spam missions and share loot. While doing so you will very slightly only losse your amarr / caldary standings. After several missions you will get promotion from minmatar faction warfare ( to your mail box telling you you are now blade comander and what not ) . Every promotion will do several things: drastically reduce amarr and cladary standings and drastically increase minmatar and galante standings. If you are doing minmatar missions ofc. Every next promotion will be double change. So if first promotion gave you +-2% change next will be +-4% change. There is another way as well. You can join fleets and capture plexes of the amarr empire ... just like in the missions after enough you will get promotions. Deference is when doing missions you will gain corporation standing as well so after some time you will be able to start getting missions on your own. So after doing this for like one week. My standings changed like this: Approximately amarr +5 to +1 caldary +4 to +0.5 minmatar -9 to +1 ( with dimplomacy it is effective +1 real is like -1 or something like that ) galante -8 to +0.5 Numbers might be a bit off ... but the things is after having both galante and minmatar standings almost -10 while doing it this way i was able to get at very low standing hit ( in my opinion ) all empires to positive standings. btw most of the missions i was salvaging / looting and not shooting in the amarrs. Killing ships reduces standing ofcs i was scouting for WTs and pirates etc. That is they way to do it and its very easy ... well was untill they changed bug with FW mission :) but i was able to get over 1.3bil of isk in LP rewards :) Mortal in body Eternal in will.
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 09:44:00 - [40] Edited by: nodezeon on 11/12/2009 09:44:51 Hey Dretzle, Thank you for looking over it, and confirming its actually a real document. I had my 1st purchase today, which I just delivered. To that person please post here if you find the guide useful, I wont name as they didnt post here and might want t remain anon. Dretzle I would also like to thank you for following through on your donation promise, very honerable, I salute you sir o7. If I can help you out in the future in anyway, I would be happy to do so. Node Originally by: Dretzle Omega Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 11/12/2009 00:50:44 Okay, I looked over the guide he sent me. I received an actual guide that sounded well thought out and was halfway decent as far as spelling and grammar is concerned. Preliminary fact checking revealed no flaws, though note I didn't personally test the details in game nor do I personally guarantee the speed and amount of results, but it seems doable. I appreciated I am being thoroughly vague, but I wanted to try to okay what I approved without, as requested, giving anything away in the guide. As admitted by the OP in this thread, the information isn't anything that isn't publicly available, but it not only consolidates and simplifies but provides some simple steps and with a quick check I didn't see the information obviously presented in the stickies. Lawyer butt-covering: I cannot guarantee, of course, that the OP will send the guide after you send him ISK nor do I necessarily agree with his method of distribution, but as agreed I am reporting on what I've seen in a personal email with him. (I hope that covers everything. )
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 11:04:00 - [41] Only problem with FW is its a pain in the ass. If, like me neither your corp or alliance want to join FW then you have to leave your corp, join FW alone, do the missions, which again is grinding =\ till you have the required standing, then go rejoin your corp. It's an option granted, even if its a messy one. Originally by: Exitar Stormscion Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:19:30 Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:16:43 Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:14:32 Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:14:03 Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:13:26 Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:12:50 Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 11/12/2009 04:12:27 OK i will tell you how to fix your standings. It is very easy and simple. I was new to this game and played many missions for amarr navy eventualy reducing my standings with minmatar and galante under -9 each. Then i trained diplomacy to lvl4 but they were still under -5. I couldnt find any way on this forums at least to fix that. How did i fix it ? Well what happened was that my corp joined to minimatar MILITIA IN Faction Warfare. They had to remove me from the corp for two days couse my standing was reducing corp standing under 0.5 ( that is minimum to get into the militia afaik but might be wrong ). Anyway after they joined i rejoined. Then my corp mates started doing missions ( missions were bugged back then ). They take mission i enter in fleet and we just spam missions and share loot. While doing so you will very slightly only losse your amarr / caldary standings. After several missions you will get promotion from minmatar faction warfare ( to your mail box telling you you are now blade comander and what not ) . Every promotion will do several things ( If you are doing minmatar missions ofc ): drastically reduce amarr and cladary standings and drastically increase minmatar and galante standings. Every next promotion will be double change. So if first promotion gave you +-2% change next will be +-4% change. There is another way as well. You can join fleets and capture plexes of the amarr empire ... just like in the missions after enough you will get promotions. Deference is when doing missions you will gain corporation standing as well so after some time you will be able to start getting missions on your own. So after doing this for like one week my standings changed like this: Approximately amarr +5 to +1 caldary +4 to +0.5 minmatar -9 to +1 ( with dimplomacy it is effective +1 real is like -1 or something like that ) galante -8 to +0.5 Numbers might be a bit off ... but the things is after having both galante and minmatar standings almost -10 while doing it this way i was able to get at very low standing hit ( in my opinion ) all empires to positive standings. btw most of the missions i was salvaging , looting , scouting for WTs and pirates etc and not shooting at the amarrs. Killing ships reduces standing. That is the way to do it and its very easy ... well was untill they changed bug with FW mission :) but i was able to get over 1.3bil of isk in LP rewards :) SHORT ANSWER IS : FACTION WARFARE.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2009.12.11 11:08:00 - [42] Ok, yeah i was wrong on the storyline missions waves hand. But, I did go looking and found this in EVE Tribune 50. Quote: Basic Level 1 Agents Always Available Slipped in near the end of the development phase, this means that you always have a chance to repair your standings with a faction that has agents. A lot of people have been asking for this for years and now in Dominion it is doubly important as there are new pirate mission acs. ---------------------- They're angry there was damage done to their ship. It's not difficult!
Patri Andari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2009.12.11 11:39:00 - [43] The fastest way to increase faction standings used to be................. Failing missions for an opposing faction. Disclaimer Not sure if CCP fixed this or not. Best to do this with max Connections and max Diplomacy but if you do not want to train to 5 get them as high as you care to. Get a mission for a Caldari corp and fail it. Rinse and repeat. You will loose standings with the agent, the corporation AND the Caldari Faction. Failing Storyline missions get you there even faster. Each time you drop standings with Caldari, you will see a derivative increase with Gallente. Keep an eye on your standings in your character sheet. You want to be careful not to drop down too far or you make yourself too unpopular with Caldari. If this helps, go to clicky and support my proposal. If not, go to clicky and support my proposal. Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan?
Harkwyth Mist Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.12.11 13:00:00 - [44] For fixing bad AMARR standings, Ammatar Faction is a good option. In eve time-taken is an irrevalence, Standings ARE grinding.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.12.11 13:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Patri Andari The fastest way to increase faction standings used to be................. Failing missions for an opposing faction. Disclaimer Not sure if CCP fixed this or not. Fixed well before Red Moon Rising. Where have you people been? But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. EVE has devs that care about sound? (Ha ha ha! Gotcha. It actually doesn't!)
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 14:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Harkwyth Mist For fixing bad AMARR standings, Ammatar Faction is a good option. In eve time-taken is an irrevalence, Standings ARE grinding. True I suppose, but I dont think time taken is irreavent, I'd rather it take 2hrs than potentially days or weeks....
Forcei Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.11 17:10:00 - [47] Does your way only work for people with negative standings or can it be used to raised standings from something like +4 to +5?
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.12.11 17:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Patri Andari The fastest way to increase faction standings used to be................. Failing missions for an opposing faction. Disclaimer Not sure if CCP fixed this or not. Fixed well before Red Moon Rising. Where have you people been? I thought that got fixed somewhere around trinity as I remember seeing it in patch notes. and I wasn't around for rmr. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 17:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Forcei Does your way only work for people with negative standings or can it be used to raised standings from something like +4 to +5? It raise standings full stop, so it can be used to take them into + numbers too if you are already high enough.
Chajitsoyo Gallente Sanford Space Salvage	Posted - 2009.12.11 21:46:00 - [50] I purchased this wonderful guide specifically to find out if this was a scam or actually worthwhile. My findings? Well, it's not a scam... OP is a used car salesman. If you're planning to send him ISK for this guide, don't. Especially if you've already done your datacenter turn ins, because you're now out the 25mil and can't do a thing in his guide. Yes, his guide is just rehashed posts regarding datacenters. The info regarding these agents is actually linked in the 'Missions and Complexes' information thread, although it of course dorks up the link so the eve wiki page doesn't display properly. Oh, he mentions COSMOS missions at the end. The following links easily cover everything that's in this 'guide' which I already had bookmarked: eve-wiki.net Data Centers Eve Online forums - Dead thread that should have been stickied - Data Center Agents I'd post a cut and paste of the guide, but really all the info is in the above links. I'd like to know how the OP plans to get his faction standing up with Gallente again since he's already done these missions, atleast some of them... he doesn't mention that datacenters can only be done once per agent, and his current Gallente standings are abominable... -7.57. The other thing of course not mentioned is doing these missions will hurt the opposing faction standings. The poster who mentioned doing SOE and Khanid faction missions is going to be the best bet, even though it's not an overnight success. Nothing in this guide is worth ISK. --------------------------------- Everything in moderation, including moderation.
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:13:00 - [51] lol, ok I quote, from the 1st paragraph of the guide "I say last ditch because you can only use each of them once!" And I also quite openly said that the information is availble freely. However you dont think that I gave reasons behind how and why I did things? and why I recommend people doing in the way I discribe? You dont think it would save people time and effort and probably ISK by reading this guide first? I also said It didnt cover COSMOS mission, above?!?! And also as started in the OP "I have produced a guide all about how I did it; it took me about 2-3hrs to get from -5.73 to -4.76 (with Diplomacy Lv 4)" You look at my standing but it dosent apply Diplomacy skill therefore you see -7.57. I did honestly write the guide with good intentions. And belived and still do that it would help people with this problem. Chajitsoyo you are obviously disatisfied, I will refund your purchase in full. I would appreciate if if you could confirm the refund here. Node Originally by: Chajitsoyo I purchased this wonderful guide specifically to find out if this was a scam or actually worthwhile. My findings? Well, it's not a scam... OP is a used car salesman. If you're planning to send him ISK for this guide, don't. Especially if you've already done your datacenter turn ins, because you're now out the 25mil and can't do a thing in his guide. Yes, his guide is just rehashed posts regarding datacenters. The info regarding these agents is actually linked in the 'Missions and Complexes' information thread, although it of course dorks up the link so the eve wiki page doesn't display properly. Oh, he mentions COSMOS missions at the end. The following links easily cover everything that's in this 'guide' which I already had bookmarked: eve-wiki.net Data Centers Eve Online forums - Dead thread that should have been stickied - Data Center Agents I'd post a cut and paste of the guide, but really all the info is in the above links. I'd like to know how the OP plans to get his faction standing up with Gallente again since he's already done these missions, atleast some of them... he doesn't mention that datacenters can only be done once per agent, and his current Gallente standings are abominable... -7.57. The other thing of course not mentioned is doing these missions will hurt the opposing faction standings. The poster who mentioned doing SOE and Khanid faction missions is going to be the best bet, even though it's not an overnight success. Nothing in this guide is worth ISK.
Xaven Taos	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:14:00 - [52] Well on the bright side you only got scammed out of 25M. Also the data center quests require certain standing to take. Unless he was just talking about the 6 entry level ones that are 3 of which require something in the ball park for 30-60m to finish.
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:19:00 - [53] Dretzle, I also refunded your iskies o7
Chajitsoyo Gallente Sanford Space Salvage	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Xaven Taos Well on the bright side you only got scammed out of 25M. Also the data center quests require certain standing to take. Unless he was just talking about the 6 entry level ones that are 3 of which require something in the ball park for 30-60m to finish. Again, not a scam. I called the OP a used car salesman, that's all. I intentionally threw away the 25 mil just to have a look. He's definitely not scamming, and he did actually refund my ISK in full... Why did you do that? I paid for a guide, and I got a guide. I also disclosed the information in the guide here, meaning repeat business will likely be non-existent (and anyone who DOES pay for it after my initial post in this thread, you should charge them double). regarding the 'last ditch' bit the OP mentioned... you should probably put that bit in the OP. The reason I see this as selling 'used cars' is due to the fact that data centers have been mentioned in this thread, but you ignored those posts or glazed over their information giving the appearance that this is something new and special, when really it's just a ford topaz with a new paint job and a bad head gasket. To the OP: write up a full post and disclose the information contained in the guide in a new thread, with links to all sources. I'll gladly send you YOUR 25mil back. Seriously dunno why the data center information isn't stickied in a working link. It doesn't take much effort to find if you dig a little, but alot of people playing this game aren't savy on the searching and how to get informations from teh intarwebs. The forum post I linked was an excellent source of information, but of course it was never stickied, and died. --------------------------------- Everything in moderation, including moderation.
nodezeon Gallente Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:51:00 - [55] Edited by: nodezeon on 11/12/2009 22:55:56 Edited by: nodezeon on 11/12/2009 22:53:04 I refunded because as I said I wasn't in it to scam, I don't do it and I never will. I wanted to sell a decent product at a decent price, as you quite rightly say the information is out there. However I don't think it's easily available all in one place and the was the bases of the initial idea. I pulled everything together into 1 document and also added my experiances and mistakes in there to help people get the fastest returns on the time they invest, by doing it correctly 1st time. I personally don't see grinding as fun and would rather get to some pvp or some WH fun or whatever with my corp mates. This product was obviously not needed (lol, the community has spoken!) there fore I have no gripes about refunding your hard earned iskies. I'll think about posting it as a guide on here for free or maybe somewhere else, but I might have a look at expanding it to cover other ways to raise standing. I do think the information for this little aspect of the game is lacking though. Node
Chajitsoyo Gallente Sanford Space Salvage	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:59:00 - [56] Originally by: nodezeon I'll think about posting it as a guide on here for free or maybe somewhere else, but I might have a look at expanding it to cover other ways to raise standing. I do think the information for this little aspect of the game is lacking though. Node This. Posting it here may get discussion going and critiques for you to tweek and add more content as well. --------------------------------- Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Gwen Ingolffson	Posted - 2009.12.11 23:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Voltairine DeCleyre So, you're going to sell this info? FFS, with the recent patch anyone can now repair their faction standing, since level 1 agents will remain available regardless of standing. There, that was free. No ****e! If I remember I'll give you a million just for letting me know that. :)
Kapradian Amarr Assisted Genocide	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:37:00 - [58] Heya Node :P Your to nice, why you give back the ISK? Does this mean i gota give back your exotic dancer? Anyhow, nice guide. This information is not well organized on the net so its so worth the 25mill. As these agents are only useable once you wana get the most out of em and your guide helps in that. ... so i could spend hours searching the net to get all this info... or spend 30min earning 25mill ISK and get it all at once.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:48:00 - [59] No need for a guide. Here is the only way other then running millions of missions.. Now you can run level 1 missions, so go do the level 1 COSMOS missions for that faction. Didn't cost you anything but newer players don't even know about COSMOS.
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2009.12.14 12:07:00 - [60] This information is FREE. Contact myself to discover how to do it. ----- Originally by: GM Horse Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.

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