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Luminati Caldari Galactic Special Forces	Posted - 2009.12.10 18:46:00 - [1] I'm considering getting a carrier, probably a Chimera but I've not been able to find any consistent answers about where in Empire space it can go. Can someone please clarify the maximum security level of a system it can enter for me?
Aarin Wrath Caldari Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks	Posted - 2009.12.10 18:48:00 - [2] 0.4 and below.
Sir Fourhead Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.12.10 18:59:00 - [3] If you don't know that, you shouldn't even be thinking about capital ships atm
Phoenix Torp Caldari King's Finanace Corp	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Sir Fourhead If you don't know that, you shouldn't even be thinking about capital ships atm +1. ------ Skills
Ecky X Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:10:00 - [5] Highsec is anywhere you can get in trouble with Concord.
TimMc Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:16:00 - [6] Edited by: TimMc on 10/12/2009 19:16:19 Originally by: Sir Fourhead If you don't know that, you shouldn't even be thinking about capital ships atm +2 Seriously. Edit: And if you corp cannot answer that question, I don't expect you need one nor could defend one.
Luminati Caldari Galactic Special Forces	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:18:00 - [7] Where is this information clearly stated please? I see nothing wrong with asking a simple question and in this case purely for clarification purposes. It's not like I asked "what's a carrier?" I've been in 0.0 before, been the ganker and the gankee, station camped, pvp'd, etc and run POS's before. I've been Why assume that I shouldn't make the move to a capital ship? What capital would you recommend please? Oh, and +1 is quite simply fail. Yeah truthbomb for you there. Thank you to the original answerer.
Ecky X Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:21:00 - [8] It's not really any of my business, but what's your intended use of the carrier, if you don't mind?
Cambarus Aliastra	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Luminati Where is this information clearly stated please? I see nothing wrong with asking a simple question and in this case purely for clarification purposes. It's not like I asked "what's a carrier?" It's actually worse. Instead of asking what a carrier is, you asked what highsec is. Really, you should not have been in eve more than a week before knowing that.
Moponi Mekaelth Gallente Runs With Scissors	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Moponi Mekaelth on 10/12/2009 19:53:46 Actually, the story is a little bit different. Carriers can operate in all systems regardless of system sec level - including 0.5-1.0. And I believe that there are still a few carriers in high-sec systems around EVE, kept for lulz, from before the actual restriction was introduced... a CONCORDE ban on cyno fields in high-sec. So the answer is really, that you can not light cynos in systems above 0.4, which effectively prevents offensive capitals from entering these systems (as they can not pass gates). Non-offensive capitals like freighters and their jump variants can use gates and are seen operating in high-sec. edit: just to clarify the state of things... you are right, it is sort of implicit information

Spaztick Terminal Impact Kairakau	Posted - 2009.12.10 19:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Sir Fourhead If you don't know that, you shouldn't even be thinking about capital ships atm +3
GavinCapacitor	Posted - 2009.12.10 20:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Sir Fourhead If you don't know that, you shouldn't even be thinking about capital ships atm +4
CrazySpaceHobo Caldari Mysterys Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Sir Fourhead If you don't know that, you shouldn't even be thinking about ships atm +5
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:39:00 - [14] There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. Really? Carriers can use normal gates? That's news to me.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. Really? Carriers can use normal gates? That's news to me. Yeah, it just takes a while for the gate to charge up enough to jump such a large ship. If you don't jump right away, just wait and keep spamming the jump button, you'll get through eventually. ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. +1 -------------------------------------------
Sarah Norbulk Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. Carriers can't use gates.
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Sarah Norbulk Carriers can't use gates. -1 -------------------------------------------
Havegooda Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.10 22:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. Really? Carriers can use normal gates? That's news to me. Yeah, it just takes a while for the gate to charge up enough to jump such a large ship. If you don't jump right away, just wait and keep spamming the jump button, you'll get through eventually. +1

Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2009.12.10 22:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, it just takes a while for the gate to charge up enough to jump such a large ship. If you don't jump right away, just wait and keep spamming the jump button, you'll get through eventually. Thank god, and here I thought you had gone completely bonkers. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.12.10 22:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarah Norbulk Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. Carriers can't use gates. Have you tried? No? Then STFU and stop talking about things you don't understand. ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Eseay	Posted - 2009.12.10 23:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Sarah Norbulk Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's a bit of a misunderstanding here: carriers are only unable to cyno jump into highsec (because cynos can not be opened there). They can jump into highsec through the gates just like any other ship. So it's a bit inconvenient, but you can still get there if you really want. Carriers can't use gates. Have you tried? No? Then STFU and stop talking about things you don't understand. he speaks the truth.
CrazySpaceHobo Caldari Mysterys Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.11 02:22:00 - [24] Edited by: CrazySpaceHobo on 11/12/2009 02:22:44 Crosses Fingers and Hopes for OP's comedy killmail of his carrier killed on a hi-sec gate. Edit: Dont forget to fit Medium Shield Boosters, More the Better. And cargo expanders. You get a epic tank.
Luminati Caldari Galactic Special Forces	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Luminati on 11/12/2009 03:42:30 Yes yes, I was thinking of fitting it with civilian modules, you know to keep the cost down if I lose it. I got bored of the corp I was in and am now in my own corp of 1 doing my own thing, but the ISK is burning a hole in my pocket and I'm looking at where to go from here. I know the difference between safe space, sec rating but no Concord and null sec, even that all 0.0 space is not the same and some is more, how shall I put this... more 0.0 than others (as in 0.09 through to 0.00). I just wanted clarification in the form of an exact number that restricts where a carrier can go. If that's so hard to comprehend then you fail at having rudimentary intelligence and should do the gene pool a favour and simply cease to exist. Since you'll no doubt fail at that, keep trolling.
Alenora Tizar	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:43:00 - [26] wait ok, I'm confused. I was always told that carriers couldn't enter high sec? R u guys joking about using jump gates?
King Rothgar Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:55:00 - [27] This thread is gold. -----------------------------------------------------
Traska Gannel	Posted - 2009.12.11 04:02:00 - [28] Confusion reigns ... but just to clear the air. (The following applies to all capital ships except freighters (both variants) as far as I know) 1) Carriers can not be built in hi sec, now. 2) Carriers can only move from system to system using jump drives. They are too big for gates. 3) In order for a carrier to jump it must lock onto a cyno in another system within range of its jump drive. 4) Cynos can not be generated in hi sec, now. 5) Carriers currently in lo sec can not enter high sec because they can't lock onto a cyno there. 6) As mentioned, there are still some carriers in high sec from the early days when they could be built and/or jumped into high sec. 7) And finally to answer the original question in this thread ... carriers can only enter systems whose true security rounds down to 0.4 or less ... otherwise known as losec and 0.0.
Alenora Tizar	Posted - 2009.12.11 04:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Traska Gannel Confusion reigns ... but just to clear the air. (The following applies to all capital ships except freighters (both variants) as far as I know) 1) Carriers can not be built in hi sec, now. 2) Carriers can only move from system to system using jump drives. They are too big for gates. 3) In order for a carrier to jump it must lock onto a cyno in another system within range of its jump drive. 4) Cynos can not be generated in hi sec, now. 5) Carriers currently in lo sec can not enter high sec because they can't lock onto a cyno there. 6) As mentioned, there are still some carriers in high sec from the early days when they could be built and/or jumped into high sec. 7) And finally to answer the original question in this thread ... carriers can only enter systems whose true security rounds down to 0.4 or less ... otherwise known as losec and 0.0. lol thats what I thought originally :P
Kalana Eargon	Posted - 2009.12.11 04:19:00 - [30] LMAO! Oh wow, for an answer to your question carriers can enter systems with a 0.4 security status and below. Now I won't say don't get a carrier, if you have a ton of ISK to burn then go spend it on a carrier if you like. Sorry, but if you didn't know the answer to this question you need to AT LEAST go research a carrier and all of it's feature/disadvantages before getting one. Yeah I know that's kinda what you were doing but go look more until your confident. Uses for a carrier: 1)Ratting in Low-Sec: Just asking to get ganked, you can get a substantially lower cost ship that is more efficient at ratting and can enter Hi-Sec 2)Transportation: Well if your in a one-man corp your most likely in hi-sec or right next to it so it would be easier and safer to transport stuff through Hi-Sec 3)PvP: If you take this thing into PvP your going to get ganked, if your by station they can dock, if your not by station they will see free carrier kill scram you and call in their ships. 4)Level 5 missions: Besides the fact that some of these spawn in Hi-Sec, have acceleration gates, and may req. to have another person cyno; your going to be flying an expensive liability in Low-Sec away from station. Sure you may be able to do the Level 5 missions, but once someone scans you down they can easily scram you and the NPCs are already beating you up. 5) Fighter Drones: Probably the only safe useful thing you can do in a one man corp with a carrier is send your drones to help another friend in PvP or rat... although you might as well go get yourself another ship. 5)Fighter Drones: Well probably the only Yeah I probably missed a lot of uses for a carrier, they're pretty versatile, but those are some main points. As for carriers using jump gates, I would like to see tht you fly your carrier to a gate and sit there trying to use it. I'm pretty sure if you could CCP would fix that and you might see carriers in Hi-Sec (not to say there aren't some, like the ones before the CONCORD ban on cyno). Just for clarification: Hi-Sec - 1.0 to 0.5, Low-Sec - 0.4 to 0.1, Null-Sec - 0.0



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