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AndyLulz
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:22:00 -
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Is this possible?
This character is 8 days old and I have all the basic attribute implants in the 5 slots and will have all 11 learning skills to Level IV by next friday. I first found out about getting learning skills and implants from someone in rookie help who claimed he got 10M SP in 5 months, but I can't quite remember if he said if he got all Learning skills to V and got some of the best implants, is it possible to get this much in that short of a time? If not, what is the average pilot supposed to have around the 5 month mark? Better yet 1 month would also be interesting to know.
I recently found out that certain attributes affect how fast you train certain skills, and I also found out that Perception/Willpower will affect how fast you train Ship related/Weapon related skills. Basically this character will SOLELY be based for PvE combat on the side with PvP as the main thing to do, I recently joined, from what I can tell, a well estabalished and decent 0.0 corp that will take me under their wing and train me up in PvP.
Now, this means I wish not to train in anything other than being able to fly a ship effectively, and excel in combat, everything else mining/industry related I am glad to throw out the window, it seems PLEX selling is a regular practice, and being a uni student living at home with no rent/bills to pay I have a bit of extra cash to use PLEX selling as my income. Basically, could you reccommend what learning skills I get to V, if any, or what attributes to focus on if I wish to solely focus on combat and efficiency of my ship in combat.
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:37:00 -
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I suppose 10 mil sps in 5 months is doable.. With my attribute layout right now i'm only doing 8.55 mil sps/month, but I have a fairly rounded attribute scheme.
Have you used any of your initial remaps? You get 3 IIRC on a new character, this will be very helpful in getting to that 10 mil sps in 5 month mark. You can Spec heavy willpower/perception and boost those skills up for a few months, remap over to intel/memory, boost them up for a few months, then remap to something somewhat balanced (Or whatever your 1 year eve-mon plan tells you to do) and work on that skill set for a year.
I have nearly 90mil skillpoints, so i really dont mind about getting them as fast as i can. I have a fairly balanced attribute layout (Right now with learning 5/4 and +3s i have 24 int, 26 perc, some amount charisma, 20 willpower, 19 memory.
 Originally by: Forest Gump
And that's all I got to say 'bout that.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:40:00 -
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How in heaven's name do you get 8.55m SPs/month? 
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AndyLulz
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:47:00 -
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I only have two remaps available and no I have not done one yet as I would have noooo idea what I'm doing, and am very apprehensive as a result about doing so.
I have a general idea that for a while I'll be flying around in a frigate as a tackler, so I'm guessing that involves a bit of leveling in Navigation and Electronics, then as I move up ship class to hopefully one day a BC, I realise that I need to get some really high mechanics and will probably be focusing on drones. Now after a quick skim of the info of a bunch of skills in Nav, Elec, Mech and Drones, they are primarily Int/Memory. Gunnery is the only one that focuses majorly on Perception/Willpower.
Hm I dont know, Im at a lost, I need more newbie hand holding clarification, should I instead remap to a heavy Int/Memory build then back to something balanced? Perception/Willpower seem lesser variable in the equation here.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:52:00 -
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My alt is at 15m SP after 11 months, now that could probably be 16m or even 17m if I hadn't slacked with my skilltraining a bit, always used my +4 implant clone (instead of +3) and trained my learning skills in proper order.
If you make it a point to train to get as much SP as possible (only train skills with the attributes that you've remapped for and making a heavy investments in learning) then yea it's possible, even quite easy.
- Thing is that you won't have a useful character for PvP if you do, in order to be potent in any ship you fly for PvP you need to have STRONG support skills. I'm talking capacitor, fitting, drones, navigation, armor, shields etc. This is in addition to gunnery/missiles and your spaceship command skills. You will have to train skills that you haven't got good attributes for, unless you don't mind not playing at all for well over a year.
Far more important than the ammount of SP is a good skillplan that helps you avoiding heavy crosstraining and a good list of ships to progress through (not leaving you flying nothing but a T1 frigate for months on end).
If you want to play the game, I suggest you research a skillplan properly and don't go crazy with learning skills (IV+III is enough, you can train the advanced learning skills to IV once you have long duration skills to train, it's better to actually PLAY the game).
If you need help I don't mind giving you advice on how to best proceed.
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AndyLulz
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:13:00 -
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I honestly dont mind waiting until next week until its all to IV, its just out of the way and I can move onto other things.
Ive made somewhat of a plan now, first I'm focusing on speed, I guess that includes getting Spaceship Command to IV, getting anything to V is out of the question to me, until like you said, I have long duration skills. So I'll start out by pumping training into navigation, improving efficiency with afterburner and I guess using T2 afterburner, as well as T2 MWD. Then I was going to focus on ECM, being able to webify and Warp scramble the target, once again T2 modules yes?
From then onwards, I will focus into either Gunnery or actually Mechanics, if I do Navigation > Electronics > Mechanics in that order, it would make sense to do a Remap now into heavy Int/Memory (yes?) , and then Remap back to a balanced attribute spread once thats done so I can focus into gunnery. From then onwards I will train up to fly a battle cruiser and Focus on training drone skills.
What say you so far about this? Or am I focusing too heavily on one component at a time that it will be a few months before I become a balanced and competent pvp pilot? haha
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Tesla Grass
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
How in heaven's name do you get 8.55m SPs/month?
I'd love to know as well, 13 months and you'd have well over the 100m SP. 1 + 1 = 14 today it seems
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: AndyLulz
What say you so far about this? Or am I focusing too heavily on one component at a time that it will be a few months before I become a balanced and competent pvp pilot? haha
I'd say take these support skills to three, which can be done in under a month, similar to this list here... (although its missing thermodynamics and erm.... shield compensations and some stuff like that. Adjust it to your needs.
I'd do all that before specialising on one area.
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi
Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: AndyLulz
What say you so far about this? Or am I focusing too heavily on one component at a time that it will be a few months before I become a balanced and competent pvp pilot? haha
IMO, first priority should be to become useful on a T1 frigate, if PvP is what attracts you. This should only take you around 2 weeks but you can easily spend another 6 months improving upon it. These support skills that you train will be useful nomatter what you decide to fly next (almost).
Staying in a T1 frigate (especially one that isn't a rifter) is not something I'd recommend though.
If you're interested in ECM then missiles is the best weapon system to go for. Your progression of ships should look something like this for solo work,
Kestrel - AML Caracal - Drake - Rook
For gang situations these ships do well too but ECM ships like the Griffin, Blackbird and Rook/Falcon are always much appriciated.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: AndyLulz
What say you so far about this? Or am I focusing too heavily on one component at a time that it will be a few months before I become a balanced and competent pvp pilot? haha
I'd say take these support skills to three, which can be done in under a month, similar to this list here... (although its missing thermodynamics and erm.... shield compensations and some stuff like that. Adjust it to your needs.
I'd do all that before specialising on one area.
This is good advice I feel, getting all the relevant skills to III first before focusing on each respective area will give you a solid foundation, making your ships a fair bit more useful until you've gotten a respectable ammount of SP in each skill department.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:09:00 -
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2 mil per month is about top training speed in EVE. that's with all learning at 5 and +5 implants. it also requires strict training program. if you intend to PvP in 0.0, expect to cash quite a bit for implant replacement to keep that rate.
more realistically, 1.6-1.8 mil/month is doable at moderate expenses and adequate learning. think 4-5/4 in basic/advanced learning and +3/+4 implants, still with proper planning (good mix of fitting and combat skills).
note that while per/wil help with training ship and weapon skills, you will need int/mem skills for fitting.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Raptus Regalitor
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:29:00 -
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I concentrated on learning skills quite heavily, but not right away.
I trained practical stuff too. I started in Dec 2008 and had tier 1 learning to V and tier 2 to IV by the summer. I use +4 implants most of the time.
While not optomized I don't think for a main character you'd want to concentrate on learning skills anymore than I did especially if you want to be useful anytime soon.
Maybe get all 8 learing skills to level 3 at first and then go get optimized. If you are determined to do all learning skills at once, then respec all Intelligence and memory for your free remap.
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Dr Caymus
Gallente
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2009.12.12 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Caymus on 12/12/2009 16:28:19
New characters have it made... it took me 8 months to reach 10 million skillpoints... 
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Amateratsu
Caldari
The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.12.12 21:54:00 -
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10m sp in 5 months is possible, However you will need to be learning skills at the maximum possible rate of 2772 sp per hour which would give you 10,045,728 sp in 151 Days (5 months approx)
To train at 2772 sp per hour you will need All 11 learning skills at lv5, +5 implants, and will also need to remap the primary and secondary attributes to 15 and 9 points (base) 33 and 26.40 with implants and skills.
For a new player, getting to that maximum rate will take several months.
Training all the learning skills to lv5 is only worth while if you plan on sticking with eve for 3+ years as it will take that long to payback the time needed to train the 11 learning skills to lv5.
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Moir Mukkula
Minmatar
GREY COUNCIL
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2009.12.13 09:46:00 -
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You mean he needs two learning attribute skills maxed, not all five.
Shouldn't take too long to get to that point, and then you add in the double training for low SP chars that counters the lack of learning skills from the start and the two remaps available.
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0ne
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.13 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: 0ne on 13/12/2009 11:01:39
I'm on target for 23.5 mill sp in my first 12 months, but it's dedicated training at mostly 2772.
I should hit the 10 mil mark around the 29th March, seven days after 5 months.
That's with all but charisma learning skills at 5.
Edit: Going by calendar days, as I was born on the 22nd November, I've not worked out the actual day count.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2009.12.13 14:54:00 -
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16m in a bit under 10 months for me and that was with fairly heavy and early investment in learning skills.
For your sanity I suggest:
4/3 - train a few skills.
4/4- train up lots of up to 2 day skills.
As you start hitting the 3/4 days skills start getting the basic one at 5.
Provides a good mix of player skills and learning skills so you get to play the game rather than staring at learning skills.
Getting JC fairly early is very nice, especially since there is a corp that does it for free so you can take advantage of the best implants, but also risk your clone from time to time.
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Juliette Leblanc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.13 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
How in heaven's name do you get 8.55m SPs/month?
He doesn't. Not even during the 100% bonus period (which would not last that long anyway).
But training at a speed that is around 10M in 5 months is possible. You'll need +5 implants, basic learnings to V and advanced learnings to IV trained in the optimal order, a remap done at the most favorable time and a skill plan that maximizes SP/h (even if you'll probably end up with a suboptimal character).
Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.19 11:42:00 -
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That was a typo, i meant 8.55msps/5 months... Considering the topic was sps in 5 months and what the discussion was about, and the fact that it is impossible to get 8.55m a month I'm shocked no one was able to piece that together.
Originally by: Forest Gump
And that's all I got to say 'bout that.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.19 14:15:00 -
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What is the point of getting 10m SP in 5 months if half of them is in nothing but learning?
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Hellinthose
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Posted - 2009.12.20 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
What is the point of getting 10m SP in 5 months if half of them is in nothing but learning?
That and +5's ftw...
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2009.12.21 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Caymus
New characters have it made... it took me 8 months to reach 10 million skillpoints...
I wouldn't listen to this guy, he obviously knows nothing about skillpoints..... Oh. 
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Tsumei Meyren
Creative Cookie Procuring
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Posted - 2009.12.22 14:11:00 -
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I would say no, Through simple math with my mains SP gain which peaks at 2475 sp/hr I would get about 8.9M SP in five months - With a new character you would have to count in a lot of learning skills to get close to that aswell.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.22 16:14:00 -
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God and I'm pretty satisfied with my average of 6 mil in 5 months
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2009.12.23 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Caymus
Edited by: Dr Caymus on 12/12/2009 16:28:19
New characters have it made... it took me 8 months to reach 10 million skillpoints...
This.
Today you can take an account, use all three char slots to maximize your playing capability and still skill up decently. Just takes patience and some brains.
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Wheya
Amarr
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2009.12.23 11:19:00 -
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2772 sp/h is possible with maxed out learning skills, implants and remapping.
That's 66.528 sp a day, 1.995.840 sp a month or 23.95 m sp a year. I think when I started I reached this amount of skillpoints within 3 years.
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Captain Hooker
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Posted - 2009.12.27 04:27:00 -
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I was able to make 10mil sp in 6months all learning skills at 5 and +5 implants
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justin666
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Posted - 2010.01.11 11:40:00 -
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my current skill plan is insane i have to train only intel related skills intill i do a remap...yep tht means im gona spend 20 mil sp on just this stuff no missles lol :( so im gona train intel stuff till i got 31 mil sp
18 mil so far :(
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.01.11 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: justin666
my current skill plan is insane i have to train only intel related skills intill i do a remap...yep tht means im gona spend 20 mil sp on just this stuff no missles lol :( so im gona train intel stuff till i got 31 mil sp
18 mil so far :(
You're an alt, right? Please tell me you're an alt and that someone isn't doing this with their main?
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Elder Schaten
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Posted - 2010.01.11 20:14:00 -
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I'm hitting 2268 sp's per hour right now :) Here a link to the skillsheet to show you my setup and what I'm training :)
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