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Hara Jen
Vindicator Corporation Strategic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:23:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Arcturus Trask wrote:Ring mining is just one more way that Miners ruin the game. :)
Oh and +1 Fred... Mining SuperCap. I fell out of my chair. You don t get it yet don t you Mining production and economy is just as essential to this game as blowing up ships Without it you would be flying a ibis by now , but it is ok i understand that. This is way too complex for you Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp. And selling your minerals for the best price all the way up to manipulating the markets and outselling your competition Besides the proffesional miners in this game got alot smarter now it seem compared with a year ago
Oh he gets it... He mines with 8 ships. He really does get it. |

Toramii
Le Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2012.06.19 21:28:00 -
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Ring mining?
...or is it just me? |

Equimanthorn
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:01:00 -
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CCP will just pooch this.
They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development.
CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:04:00 -
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Equimanthorn wrote:CCP will just pooch this. They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development. CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs. CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time You forgot to include removing local and curing cancer.
Because, you know, promising more than they can deliver and then rushing everything into a tight deadline has worked out so well for CCP in the past. Let them take their time, get it right, and introduce single overhauls at a time.
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Equimanthorn
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:49:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Equimanthorn wrote:CCP will just pooch this. They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development. CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs. CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time You forgot to include removing local and curing cancer. Because, you know, promising more than they can deliver and then rushing everything into a tight deadline has worked out so well for CCP in the past. Let them take their time, get it right, and introduce single overhauls at a time.
I get your point, But I think i would rather not have several "micro" expansions a year and wait to have these implemented at the same time. I think they are all linked very closely and doing 1 puts the other 2 out of balance. |

Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:52:00 -
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Ring mining is just a rumor
Wondering if the guy that launched it is going to get banned  |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:57:00 -
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Maybe, but with incremental alterations it's easier to roll back mistakes, identify which variables are causing unintended consequences and model solutions or tweaks that will actually work.
If you take a complex system, and make changes to a laundry list of interrelated mechanics in one fell swoop, then when something goes wrong it becomes exponentially harder to identify and correct those issues. As they're dependent on other variables that haven't reached equilibrium yet.
Generally for these reasons, especially in a system that you want to continue running (relatively) smoothly, incremental updates are always safer.
Basically mess with all that at stuff once, market gonna go craaaaaazy.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Ice Poljus
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:10:00 -
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wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:24:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec And why does the price of tech come down? Because miners are mining tech?
So what aren't those miners mining?
Anyway, even that is pointless speculation based on the simplest possible implementation of ring mining. Since ring mining seems like it is going to come with a hefty overhaul of the entire system it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome. For all we know they might even change material requirements or yields.
One thing we do know though: CCP will not allow T2 ships to become dirt cheap. Balance and what not. Something will have to go up if tech goes down.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Soldarius
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:52:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.
Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.
Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.
Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.
Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.
Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining:
1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz. 2. Put rocks in site(ring). 3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets. 4. Refine. 5. Profit
And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Ice Poljus
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:58:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec And why does the price of tech come down? Because miners are mining tech? So what aren't those miners mining? Anyway, even that is pointless speculation based on the simplest possible implementation of ring mining. Since ring mining seems like it is going to come with a hefty overhaul of the entire system it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome. For all we know they might even change material requirements or yields. One thing we do know though: CCP will not allow T2 ships to become dirt cheap. Balance and what not. Something will have to go up if tech goes down. comes down cuz cfc wont dictate the price anymore the south n east will have tech therrefore they wont be able to sell to most null sec but alot less then they do now if they do |

Ice Poljus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 00:00:00 -
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Equimanthorn wrote:CCP will just pooch this. They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development. CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs. CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time ccp are idiots then tech nerf is far more important then anything in null sec atm pos's can wait dnt even know what their doing to em is tht the ship array security? null sec is **** boring while cfc has the monopoly soon as others have it tht will open alot of doors for invasions etc n a stable south u dnt see cfc or any other north moving around as much as the south so if tech gets nerfed it wuldnt suprise me if goons get their overdue death |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.20 00:43:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.
Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.
Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.
Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.
Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.
Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining: 1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz. 2. Put rocks in site(ring). 3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets. 4. Refine. 5. Profit And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready. So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Ice Poljus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:04:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Soldarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.
Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.
Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.
Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.
Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.
Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining: 1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz. 2. Put rocks in site(ring). 3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets. 4. Refine. 5. Profit And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready. So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e. Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:07:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring Link to source?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Ice Poljus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:09:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring Link to source? youtube and fanfest... go |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:24:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring Link to source? youtube and fanfest... go You mean the keynote address where they talk about "trawlers hunting through the belt to find the good stuff"? And then mention it in the context of the current probing system, suggesting a mini-game style hunt for deposits?
Sounds a lot like hunting for sites in planet rings to me 
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Ice Poljus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:48:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring Link to source? youtube and fanfest... go You mean the keynote address where they talk about "trawlers hunting through the belt to find the good stuff"? And then mention it in the context of the current probing system, suggesting a mini-game style hunt for deposits? Sounds a lot like hunting for sites in planet rings to me  doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:59:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet Well I presume they'd "all" have ring mining, but they wouldn't all always have sites. Think of it as grav sites around a planet that spout moon minerals. Sometimes you might find moon mats, sometimes nothing, sometimes standard ores.
That is a massive assumption though, the truth is we simply don't know. Either way it doesn't really effect that fact that miners being diverted from normal mining activities to perform ring mining would decrease supply of other high ends*.
(*Which is also massive speculation, since we have absolutely no idea how ring mining is going to be implemented.)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Ice Poljus
91
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:47:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet Well I presume they'd "all" have ring mining, but they wouldn't all always have sites. Think of it as grav sites around a planet that spout moon minerals. Sometimes you might find moon mats, sometimes nothing, sometimes standard ores. That is a massive assumption though, the truth is we simply don't know. Either way it doesn't really effect that fact that miners being diverted from normal mining activities to perform ring mining would decrease supply of other high ends*. (*Which is also massive speculation, since we have absolutely no idea how ring mining is going to be implemented.) obv wont be in every ring was a southern version of the tech moons to nerf it i think they defo hinted to moon minerals in ring mines though at least |

pussnheels
418
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:38:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:pussnheels wrote: Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp.
Don't be silly, please. Guess you never had to deal with those 0,01 warriors did yoy or only have basic idea how economy works or should i quote von Clauzewits War is a extension of diplomacy when everything else fails
Umm so basicly blowing up ships is silly Never mind I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:56:00 -
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Quote:pussnheels] Bumblefck wrote:pussnheels wrote: Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp.
Don't be silly, please. Guess you never had to deal with those 0,01 warriors did yoy or only have basic idea how economy works or should i quote von Clauzewits War is a extension of diplomacy when everything else fails Umm so basicly blowing up ships is silly Never mind If people didn't blow up ships, industry would die. And high sec industry and mining, the kind that doesn't require even an ounce of combat, is about as "hardcore" as a knitting circle's bake sale.
Also, the quote in your signature was wrongly attributed to Voltaire. It was from a female author writing a book about Voltaire.
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