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KWyz
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Posted - 2009.12.12 17:36:00 -
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I'm writing this topic to warn all new players, or those who have somehow not been plagued in one way or another by this evil, out of the many in EVE.
Suicide ganking is real, and it can happen at any time you leave yourself exposed. This is how the killboard of a professional suicide ganker looks like.
See how many ships he has taken down in the past few days, and be warned. He is not alone. They all use heavily buffer tanked ship, and eight large smartbombs of the cheapest kind. Once they catch news of a suitable prey on the way to their system, they wait for it at a gate, and engage the smartbombs once the target arrives. The smartbombs are not triggered all at once, but rather one after the other, so that if a ship is destroyed, the pilot's pod will be blown up almost immediately.
This is a danger not only for the targeted ship, but for any unfortunate bystanders. Small ships, pods, shuttles can all be obliterated like this. CONCORD will not respond in time to prevent the ganker from destroying such targets, and because smarbombs are not targeted weapons, jamming the ship that activates them has no effect whatsoever on its damage output.
I myself was not familliar with this type of ganking until I was struck by this two days in a row. I got away the first time thanks to my assault frigate's high resists on the smartbomb's damage, but the second time I made the foolish mistake of going alt-tab for a jump and leaving the autopilot on. This was my scanning ship, a Heron. In it's cargo hold I had almost 40 mils worth of ammunition, OPEs, rigs and probes, stuff I had gathered for a wormhole trip. The ship was also fitted with a Sister's core probe launcher. In all, I had more than 100 mil isk of damage done to me, also losing clone implants.
Take this as a warning. Be careful how you thread, especially close to Jita.Do not expose yourselves like I did. Use sturdy ships for your trips, or warp to 0 every time. Do not carry too much expensive cargo in unprotected ships. NEVER travel to Jita in your pod. Good luck to you all, fly safe.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.12.12 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Pompous on 12/12/2009 17:42:38 lol
e: Good post though. Some good advice for newbies. ---
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KWyz
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Posted - 2009.12.12 17:54:00 -
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Ah, my apologies to the forum posters and the forum moderation team. I seem to have posted my topic in the wrong forum section. I intended to post this on the new citizen Q&A page, but misclicked on a browser tab.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.12.12 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: KWyz Ah, my apologies to the forum posters and the forum moderation team. I seem to have posted my topic in the wrong forum section. I intended to post this on the new citizen Q&A page, but misclicked on a browser tab.
Report your thread ---
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 19:04:00 -
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Tis true, I have suicide ganked more than a few ships myself. Don't go afk on gates with expensive items in your cargo hold. :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Chajitsoyo
Gallente Sanford Space Salvage
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Posted - 2009.12.12 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Tis true, I have suicide ganked more than a few ships myself. Don't go afk on gates with expensive items in your cargo hold. :)
-Liang
And don't browse the market or sit afk in a rifter next to any gate in Jita... not that I'd EVER do something like that.
ever.
ok maybe once. ---------------------------------
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Mooncat Slayer
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Posted - 2009.12.12 22:55:00 -
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wooo im famous, anyone for a cookie?
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.12.13 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mooncat Slayer wooo im famous, anyone for a cookie?
I has a cookie, I bought some last night
and mmm, need to start ganking again. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.12.13 02:06:00 -
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Yeah new players, Eve is basically returded. So.. be warned :D
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Darlhim
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Posted - 2009.12.13 06:06:00 -
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haha thats a genius method, thanks for informing players a good way to get money too...
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Overdogs
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Posted - 2009.12.13 11:12:00 -
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Anyone have some isk/hour figures for this?
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Ayx Shewma
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Posted - 2009.12.13 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste Anyone have some isk/hour figures for this?
Totally depends on the cargo/value of your target. Someone in my corp made ~500m ISK total from 2 or 3 of these.
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Sagitter
Caldari Mia Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.13 20:34:00 -
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what about his sec status after this sequence of criminal actions in high sec sys? Since he's also podding his targets, I guess now he is finidng out some difficulties to not being a kos for concord in empire...
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KWyz
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Posted - 2009.12.13 20:42:00 -
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There are many such suicide gankers in empire space. They operate quite stealthily, aside from the kills, with the help of alts and corp mates.
Their characters reside mostly in stations.
While the exact way in wich such people are able to stay in highsec space without getting blown up is unknown to me(but someone will surely explain it around here), it suffices to know their low security status does not represent an impediment to them in any way, regarding suicide ganking.
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Mooncat Slayer
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Posted - 2009.12.13 21:23:00 -
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pay me a decent amount and ill tell you everything you need to know
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KWyz
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Posted - 2009.12.13 23:39:00 -
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Heh,everything I need to know is how to stop being stupid about going around the empire. And that's true for anyone going with expensive stuff to jita. Of course, this assumes that the suicide gankers are pirating, meaning that they use the gank in order to rob a ship. That's perfectly understandable and can be countered logically to a point.
If that ganker is after the lulz only...well, then there is really no treshold on the "unsafe" level. However, since everyone is taught the moment they enter their first pod that, just like the real world, Jokers are real and present in EVE and the dangers associated with them never farther than a jump away, we have to adapt.
Also, getting my poor scanner ship blown up while it was carrying supplies meant for wormhole exploration made me change my mind about going there at all. Thus, I stayed in highsec, scanned down some juicy exploration sites, and went under the noses of the suicide gankers, with my juicy billion isk loot safely stashed in the cargohold of a corporate alt's tech3 ship(90% all resists). I'm willing to bet there's a spatial cataclysm there that can blow up that vessel in highsec somehow, looking forward to be amazed at the effort put up for the lulz.
C ya.
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Project3786
Amarr Inglorious B's
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Posted - 2009.12.14 00:56:00 -
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I know i am new to this game, but why do people do these things in hiSec. All it does it take people away from the game. If i was on my trial account and was in hisec and lost a good amount of stuff, i probably wouldnt anymore. Does anyone care that this loses potential players.
I mean look at the stats, 50k online at the most, while other games protect newbs much better and do increasingly better.Don't get me wrong, I like eve, I just think there should be certain places, like high sec where you cant get destroyed.
Flame away.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2009.12.14 01:21:00 -
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battleclinic sucks
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:17:00 -
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Others target in hi-sec differently but the effects are the same.
I lost a ship over a week back which was not auto-piloted. Was 4 ships popped to take my indy which in some ways suggests noob as it doesn't take 4 ships to take out an iteron V. But with insurance, ravens and domi's are cheap. Within less than 2 minutes, the 1st of the ravens that popped was back in another raven ready to get the next passer by.
In total there were 9 from the same corp on the gate excluding the popped ships, so they were there intentionally taking out traffic. Add scouts and such and there must have been a lot more involved. With remote boosting, one can have even a raven target and scram almost instantly.
One way to remove the gank (which ccp wont do) would be to change the insurance. If you lose to an ordinary player/npc then maybe get insurance. But if you invoke concords wrath - no insurance. Bit like reality, if you commit a crime (like getting concord involved) the slippery insurance companies slip out of paying. This would get rid of probably over 90% of the hi-sec ganking. Eg the 2 ravens without insurance - the loss of those ships without insurance wouldn't cover the loot they picked up from my itty wreck (about 70 mil worth dropped in the wreck, luckily most of the good stuff was destroyed - 1x a-type resist amp, manufacturing supplies - all up loss about 400 although since the pirates kill sheet has inflated prices, they claimed almost 900 mil). Mostly they got garbage, as I was moving garbage from an alt, plus a few items that had bought in jita.
If taking more expensive stuff, dont take something that can be shot up like an Itty. Take a freighter for bulky stuff so that it will take about 20+ battleships to pop it so makes it inconvenient to gank for the ganker. A freighter wont stopp ganking, but when it takes 20+ battleships to drop one, it takes more organising which is beyond the casual ganker. I'll be moving stuff in the freighter next time. In some ways partly my own fault for making quick trip to Jita in the iteron V vs slower trip in freighter. It was my 1st indy loss, its also likely to be my last as I'll make fewer trips for bulk and use a freighter.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Project3786 I know i am new to this game, but why do people do these things in hiSec. All it does it take people away from the game. If i was on my trial account and was in hisec and lost a good amount of stuff, i probably wouldnt anymore. Does anyone care that this loses potential players.
I mean look at the stats, 50k online at the most, while other games protect newbs much better and do increasingly better.Don't get me wrong, I like eve, I just think there should be certain places, like high sec where you cant get destroyed.
Flame away.
Your basic error is to assume that hi-sec is meant to be a safe place. Safer than lo-sec or 0.0, sure. But by no means safe.
As for sub numbers, there are plenty of hand-holding grinders available to play. EvE is for people who can accept and cope with some risk.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:20:00 -
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Haha that's loltastic.
Remember to tank your industrials people. Also note that if you get targeted and scanned outside of say... Jita 4-4 you might want to dock up rather then fly towards an ambush. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Sir Fourhead
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Irdia Freelancer Within less than 2 minutes, the 1st of the ravens that popped was back in another raven ready to get the next passer by.
Liar liar.
Pants on fire.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mooncat Slayer wooo im famous, anyone for a cookie?
It was so much fun killing you outside jita, please do this more and let me know what gate so i can assist you in losing massive amounts of ships.
Killmail Sales
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Vasundhara
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Project3786 I know i am new to this game, but why do people do these things in hiSec. All it does it take people away from the game. If i was on my trial account and was in hisec and lost a good amount of stuff, i probably wouldnt anymore. Does anyone care that this loses potential players.
I mean look at the stats, 50k online at the most, while other games protect newbs much better and do increasingly better.Don't get me wrong, I like eve, I just think there should be certain places, like high sec where you cant get destroyed.
Flame away.
Your basic error is to assume that hi-sec is meant to be a safe place. Safer than lo-sec or 0.0, sure. But by no means safe.
As for sub numbers, there are plenty of hand-holding grinders available to play. EvE is for people who can accept and cope with some risk.
I don't think he is saying hi-sec is _meant_ to be a safe place he is saying it _ought_ to be if only to give new players a place to get familiar with the game and grow to love it like so many of the rest of us do. Personally I'm fine with it the way it is. I've lost several hundred million to stupid autopiloting mistakes but I also had people alongside me who helped explain my mistakes to me without just insulting me or laughing in my face. Eve is a game about conflict and the freedom to exploit the mistakes of others but I think it is also true that this aspect of the game drives people away. While I'm happy to leave the game as it is I think the community would expand more if they made empire a voluntary pvp only area. As it stands, the game already has a very steep learning curve for the uninitiated and player advice is often inaccurate or dated. While piracy is one of the staples of EvE that make it great there is all of low-sec and 0.0 to conduct it in amongst players who elect the risk by traveling there. The only thing lost by removing ganking in empire would be a lot of bad attitudes. From CCPs perspective as a business they have everything to gain by attracting and retaining new and inexperienced players. What EvE is _meant_ to be is ultimately driven by the bottom line. Whether their hardware can handle the added load and retain a single-shard model is another story.
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Carthag Tsimpo
Caldari Nordpolen The Forgotten Heritage
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Posted - 2009.12.15 01:12:00 -
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I had this happen to me this saturday. I was semi-afk sipping some wine and enjoying my evening when I totally had forgot I had arrived in jita at sobaseki gate, with about 2 days worth of loot from missions in a T1 Indy. Then I came back to eve, saw myself in a pod and I lol'ed for myself. First time it happend to me. Smiled a bit at my sillyness finally becoming a victim of this and then continued with my life :)
Good thing this stuff happens, makes eve alot more fun :) Once in 6 years though. I blame it on the alcohol :)
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GawdMode1337
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Posted - 2009.12.15 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Irdia Freelancer ...One way to remove the gank (which ccp wont do) would be to change the insurance. If you lose to an ordinary player/npc then maybe get insurance. But if you invoke concords wrath - no insurance. Bit like reality, if you commit a crime (like getting concord involved) the slippery insurance companies slip out of paying. This would get rid of probably over 90% of the hi-sec ganking
This is a good idea. If you look at just about any insurance policy, at least in the states, it is very clearly stated that no payment will be made if the death is a result of a suicide or as the result of a felonious act. I know this is a game and not RL. But that is a good point and it would make the pilot think more than twice about committing suicide. But like you said, CCP, will not change this. |
Draulin
Gallente Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:20:00 -
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I had my alt's rigged (pre sized rigs, so Large, expensive) Hoarder popped in Perimeter, outside Jita. I was not AFK, it just took a while to align. What did I do? I now fly Mastodons and Prowlers. The T2 resists on Transport Ships are well worth the half month of training. I had my prowler attacked in a system near Hek while I was alt-tabbed, and it survived with only 12 armor damage. Fly Transports instead of Industrials! Best way to save that precious cargo. |
Trabber Shir
Caldari 5I Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mooncat Slayer pay me a decent amount and ill tell you everything you need to know
Anyone that can read your ship fits on the battleclinic killboard already knows everything you could tell them.
You fit a ship with 8 smarties, 2 warp stabs, then as much agility and HP as is cheap. The logic is 1. you want to have as much alpha strike as possible (the smarties), 2. you want to be able to escape the NPC police tacklers who can sometimes lock you outside the station before you warp (the warp stabs) 3. you want to be able to align and warp faster than the police can both respond to you undocking and lock you with their own battleships (the inertial stabilizers) 4. you need to be able to survive station guns, gate guns, and the target's hired defenders long enough to reach your target and fire your smart bombs (the shield extenders). The HP might also help against the NPC cruisers who might get a pot shot in before you warp away from your station.
Actions of the scouts and looters seem pretty obvious. Oh and since there seemed to be some confusion for a previous poster I'll say that sec status doesn't matter because they don't undock until they have a target.
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Exaron
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:22:00 -
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I like it that most people are more afraid of Jita than Tama or Rancer :P
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Draulin
Gallente Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Exaron I like it that most people are more afraid of Jita than Tama or Rancer :P
Rancer? I fly my Prowler through there on my way to Jita from Hek all the time. I only once was hit by a battleship spamming smartbombs, and it took a minor sliver of shields as I warped out. Is it a big trap area because of its location in that low sec Sinq passage from Hek to Jita? |
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