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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.13 19:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Napro
Why were the Mantis cruise missiles replaced with torps?
Now I got a ship that can only hit out at Max 60KM (an easily killable range)... has Drake-like DPS without the range.. (248dps@60KM vs 270DPS@84KM).
What is the point of this ship? The only possible benefit I can see with this is removing a ship's shield with its large volley dmg... but that really only benefits the Purifier with its EM bonus. That also means you'd have to have something heavy flying BEHIND you to kill em off.
Can someone explain how I'm supposed to use these torp bombers?
Firstly...if you only get 240 DPS, you're doing it wrong. I can get 650 DPS at 60km. Also, with javelin torps and range rigs, you can hit out to 120km for vastly more damage than the old cruise SBs ever did.
How to use them? Sit outside of target's range -> hit them with battleship-sized damage.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.14 05:02:00 -
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...Did someone just say that SBs weren't for DPS? What the hell?
The whole point of the SB is that you do battlecruiser-sized DPS (if you're doing less than 500 you're doing it wrong, and that's with javelin torps) with a cloaky frigate platform.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:22:00 -
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Your confusing me, you have gone on about DPS damage but then advocate Javelin Torps. By which that means you have had to drop fittings to improve your targetting range and use a head full of implants to make them worth while, and with that, you must have had to dump Damage Mods. Javelins have a range of 104+ KM but the Hound has a targetting range of just over 68 KM. Myself, would prefer the Rage Torps for the loss of 7 KM range (as opposed to 69.5 KM now only 62 KM) and have the extra near 200 DPS (1630+ Volley Damage) The damps will reduce my opponents radar range by 34% with scripts (hence a gang of SB's all basicly running the same set up, for each Damp on target reduces the range by 34%, the target ship will be lucky to lock) I don't have to be at extreme range to avoid incoming as there shouldn't be any incoming anyway.
Javelin torps are an option. Of course I don't -always- use javelins. My point is that the role of SBs is DPS, and range is your tank. The choice between javelin and faction torps is one basically "do I want more tank, or more DPS?".
And I don't need to sacrifice anything that you listed...mostly because I use TPs instead of RSDs. My personal fit hits out to 86km with javelins (limited by locking range; javelins technically would hit out to 91km on my fit).
Rage torps are a TERRIBLE idea against anything other than POS or capitals. A stationary Raven takes 361 DPS from a SB with rage torps, 2x BCUs and 2x TPs, compared to 553 from faction torps. If you drop the TPS, it only takes around 200 DPS.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:39:00 -
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Rage/fury missiles in general are meant for targets larger than you. You don't use rage/fury against the same-sized target for the same reason you don't use hail s in a frig fight.
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