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cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:17:00 - [1] Prove to me via an audit that you have 1.1T in assets under management and I may throw you 100B to manage.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:23:00 - [2] Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM note: nice website, waste of money.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:54:00 - [3] So if you are a collective and there are 50 of you. Then each person in the collective has to have at least 22B in assets or cash. If you have a 100, then at least 11B each in assets or cash. To end up with 1.1T in assets in your collective there must be some players with significant funds. Questions: 1. How many people in the collective? 2. What is the average amount of money/assets held by each player? 3. How much money/assets does the wealthiest player in the collective hold? 4. If it is a collective does the management tell the players involved what to buy/sell? 5. Do the players then pay a management fee for the advice? What is the mechanism of making profits to pay investors (not interested in trades just process). If you are not holding assets how do you earn fees?
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:24:00 - [4] If the players have pooled their ISK, then SOMEONE has CONTROL of a vast amount of assets. I want to audit that person. If the person (or persons) controlling the pooled ISK has invested it in other corps, I want to see what shares you are holding in various corps. You are invest in cap production/T2 production/BPO research. Therefore you either own shares in corps that do this or you do the work directly. I want to either see some of those assets, or I want to audit the person who is holding the shares of those corps. If I see the shares in the wallet, I will also see the dividends and can confirm the payments and dividends and will give me a good overview or value. If there are no shares but payouts from various companies and that money is dispersed to investors, I want to see the person who recieves they payments. In short I want to audit SOMEONE in the collective who can even slightly back up your story, because at least one person HAS to be receiving the profits to distribute.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:28:00 - [5] There is a VERY EASY way. Let me audit someone who is controlling the pooled ISK. If there is no audit then there is no INVESTMENT. Or just answer my new responses in post 29 on the first page.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:24:00 - [6] Latesh, you have stated that you are the person controlling the assets/ISK/Shares. I have a proposal to you. I am one of the respected members of this forum, I have held over 60B in public funds for investors returning over 30B in dividends, and the businesses have run for more than 18 months. I have also held over 100B in assets in third party lockdowns or brokerage activities. If I was to audit your character, all information would remain private. I would not pass on any details of how you operate your businesses. I have no interest in how you make your money. I haven't broken my word on this forum. I would just tell the forum that you indeed have a sizable ISK value of assets under your control. If you agree to an audit, I would need your API details. An audit is a common practice here on MD and I myself was audited before I got my first public funds. All you need to do is send your full API details to me. You can do this in-game via eve-mail. I can then quickly report back my findings. If you do not wish to go this route, it is unlikely that anyone here will trust you with any investment funds. If you have any questions about audits, post here and we can deal with them if you are unsure or concerned about the process.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:44:00 - [7] Trying to talk to you in game, but you are not accepting my convo
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:33:00 - [8] OK, I had a very lengthy in game chat with the OP about his fund. The short version is that the OP's main character recieves dividend payments each month from their investments and distributes the ISK to the investors. The OP has requested 48 hours to speak to the investors, so they can come to agreement about proving that the fund is genuine. This may or may not include an API audit. I will report back after the OP has got back to me. I would not advise players investing in this scheme until the OP has contacted me.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.15 20:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir After much debate and deliberation, the Collective and I have decided that we will be retracting this public offering. The Reasons: We cannot currently offer the kind of transparency and oversight that individuals like cosmoray and Kwint are clearly seeking. What we will be doing is re-organizing and getting ourselves into a proper position to re-offer this with the ability to audit and for the EVE Public to know that there is oversight. On this attempt at a public offering, we didn't realize that there would be such hostility and concern over the nature of this fund. Most of us do not follow the daily goings on in the Market Discussions and thus were unaware of how hard the EBANK scandal had hit. Obviously, we had seen the news, but, didn't think that it was as bad as it seems to be. We will continue to accept private investment, but will not post the details of that here. If you are interested, you can contact me ingame or through the email address provided on the website. Please watch for us in the future. We do intend to return with a better organized offering. And we will be contacting cosmoray in advance of our return and have him arrange a full audit. A side note: We understand how this retraction will appear to many. We will likely be labeled as fakes or scammers. Simply put, we are okay with this at this time. We know the validity of our fund and we know where we stand. No hostility from the Market Discussions group will change any of that. So, thank you for your time, I'm sorry that this didn't pan out for those of you who were truly interested. We will be back when we can offer more transparency. Nice try, but I am calling you out here. This is a complete SCAM and was evident from our extensive conversation. Convo Summary: 1. Latesh main is responsible for all pooled ISK and runs the ventures. 2. The main holds NO shares in organisations or alliances. No assets either 3. the main has out of game contacts with these parties. 4. The alliances and corps pay Latesh's main dividends each month in the amount of 30-70B ISK. 5. The main would distribute 75% of this pot to the investors and re-invest 25% After dragging the process out of Latesh, I asked to audit the main character to see the 30-70B coming in each month. Wouldn't do it. I offered to pay for Chribba to audit the main to prove the money is paid each month. Wouldn't do it. Wouldn't trust Chribba. I called it a SCAM, then Latesh asked for 48 hrs to consult investors! It was/is a SCAM, you got called on it and can't back away from it. Full Convo in it's glory
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.16 01:45:00 - [10] Fun thing about libel and slander is that I made an accusation. To prove the slander you would have to show that I was not telling the truth, and you would still have to submit to an audit. Anytime this comes back in the future, I would want to see an audit of the money going to the main during June - December 2009. Anyway I have decided to spend some of my well gotten insurance fraud gains. 500M merc retainer has been placed with a KOS (not in wardec, including high sec gank) placed on the OP, matching upto 2B ISK in ship/mod loss done.

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