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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:18:00 -
[1]
Hail to the Empress Jamyl I
Sani Sabik Elite.
And the rest of you
This is a tragic story that I'm about to reveal to you.
Starting more than an aeon, The Amarr Empire, without a leader and under the control of a False God invented by the so called "loyalists" embarked on a schizophrenic quest to praise and promote information while making sure that not much of it occurred.
I said schizophrenic but you might prefer the words disingenuous, hypocritical, deceitful,double-dealing, unscrupulous, mendacious, shifty, or perfidious.
As a practical matter, the so called Loyalists couldnÆt very well announce that they wanted capsuleers to possess as little knowledge as possible, with only enough reading and writing to allow the mass to be their followers without questioning. Some subtlety was required,and some misdirection.
So the false loyalists did not praise ignorance. Instead, they praised policies and attitudes that would invariably lead to ignorance. Ingenious, huh? One might say "heretical".
With this plan they could hide their true intentions and portray themselves as true followers of the Empress and the Empire.
Now, what we see? Ignorance of the mass here, specially portrayed at IGS communication links.
Dumbing-down was certainly not on any capsuleerÆs Wish List. If they got dumbing-down, that has to be because the so called "IGS loyalist voices" decided among themselves that dumber was what they desired Ammar and the cluster to be. And why would they decide that?
For ideological reasons. If knowledge is spread, their Fake Mask would fall.
What you don't know is that for the past year, all the things traditionally esteemed in new Eden's history became irrelevant, even a nuisance. Have I exaggerated? Not at all. This crusade against knowledge, this campaign against memory, this devotion to ignorance, can be seen day by day via endless quotes from the top communications here.
This timeless drivel goes on for pages. The sad truth of the matter is, Our new capsuleers donÆt know history! The long "Veteran loyalist pilots" made sure this to happen.
Sani Sabik Faith is anti Ignorance. Sarum House is Anti Ignorance.
Enough with false propaganda.
You, capsuleer, need to start thinking differently about your knowledge and abilities.
YOU can think critically and engage in historical inquiry if youÆre actually given the opportunity.
Thinking like a Capsuleer entails more than reading heroic "liberated fables" and learn how to regurgitate the number of ships you have killed at space spiced with insults by the end of the week.
It entails Knowledge!
The knowledge of History now is more important than ever. It's a weapon trying to be hidden by those false prophets as a way to avoid the true colours of their past allegiances to be shown.
The false Amarr loyalist law: Keep the kids busy, keep the kids ignorant--thatÆs the sum of this noxious game.
NO MORE.
I am a Sani Sabik in faith and a long standing Sarumite. I pledged an oath to the Lady Sarum before the succession that has not been forgotten or broken. For upholding my oath and refusing to bend to a faith of the False God, I have suffered terrible consequences under a Empire without laws. So now, SARUM Policies is dragged into the mud by voices and actions that are not in line with Jamyl's wishes I shall stand against it one again.
We are now under SARUM leadership. It's time for the laws that regulates the House of Sarum to be known so the current will of our Empress is done and the misguided lies to stop.
LetÆs back up and start over. It's time to reveal the truth about Heresy x Politics and False Faiths.
The intent to foreclose the possibility of knowledge; to stop people from remembering
anything is now over.
[cont]
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:19:00 -
[2]
Introduction given, I now come to the core of my communication:
It's my pleasure to invite you to the First New Eden Educational Conference:
"Sani Sabik and Sarum House Against the Reign of Ignorance"
It will be a 2 day's event, where, for one hour each, the most brilliant minds and expert capsuleers of this universe will teach the history of new Eden to you, capsuleer, who are willing to leave the Reign of Ignorance behind.
The event will be set into VR mode and the password card will be given to confirmed attendees.
The Conferences is target primarily to teachings related to the Amarr Empire but may other nations or Organizations wish to take the opportunity to share knowledge of their respective Nations / Institutions, I shall see to accommodate that too.
Only the Minmatar republic is not welcomed as obviously, there is nothing related to "knowledge" to be shared. The Empire will give the needed information regarding the sub-human race and unholy republic.
With no more the initial proposed theme is:
1- Amarr Empire and the Five Houses: SARUM True Allegiances and current politics.
I propose this conference to be supervised by Professor Telm Nadar, social sciences teacher at Hedion University.
I also invite Royal Heir Merimeth Sarum as a special guest.
Both seats will be specially selected, may the aforementioned personalities find time to
join us, capsuleers on this joyous important moment.
Expert Capsuleers who wish to attend the event as scholars and speakers may apply here.
Requisite for speakers: Only SARUMITES who have pledged allegiance to the house of Sarum before the succession may apply. They are the holders of the true knowledge of the past.
False loyalists known to have pledged allegiance to other heirs don't waist your time, We know who you are.
As well, guests who would like to join us feel free to tend your application here. Make sure to state the reason why you want to attend and what do you expect to learn from the conference.
The terms:
Amarrians will have seat and voice priorities acc with application acceptance priority.
Those who apply first, and be accepted will retain the rights.
Seconded by Caldari, Khanid, Gallente following the same rules.
Minmatars may watch but no voice rights will be given to them during the conference.
At the end of the conference, a 30 minutes round table question / answer will be allowed
to those with voice rights. The Capsuleer who presents the most intelligent and show absolute knowledge of what has been spoken will leave with a prize of 500 mill isk to proceed with his or her education.
The day and time of the conference will be decided after a short briefing with attendees
to fit the majority's schedule.
With no more
For the Empress, for Sarum
For the true Sani Sabik Faith
May your path be of truth
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:31:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Revan Neferis
Requisite for speakers: Only SARUMITES who have pledged allegiance to the house of Sarum before the succession may apply. They are the holders of the true knowledge of the past.
False loyalists known to have pledged allegiance to other heirs don't waist your time, We know who you are.
that is something which hasn't been brought up in a very long time. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:56:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Requisite for speakers: Only SARUMITES who have pledged allegiance to the house of Sarum before the succession may apply. They are the holders of the true knowledge of the past.
False loyalists known to have pledged allegiance to other heirs don't waist your time, We know who you are.
that is something which hasn't been brought up in a very long time.
Very inconvenient subject for the false loyalists. Part of the knowledge that has been secured and the capsuleers, deprived from attaining it.
I'm here to correct this.
Under the Reign of Sarum, the truth shall be revealed.
Heresy shall have a new name.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:07:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Jianni Sotaku on 14/12/2009 03:09:51
I would be interested in putting forward an application of attendance.
I find that the Amarrian Empire has many familiar qualities, and I would be eager to learn more about their traditions beyond slavery.
I'll have to check my schedule to assure that nothing conflicts with my attendance. I hope that the decided time does not end up leaving me unable to attend.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:18:00 -
[6]
You are an interesting thing. Recursion. Identifiable coping mechanisms. Defensive, preemptive proclamations.
Absolutely fascinating.
This timeless drivel goes on for pages. [Opinion] The sad truth of the matter is, Our [possessive] new capsuleers donÆt know history! [Where were you when the seeds were sown?] The long "Veteran loyalist pilots" made sure this to happen. [Now you speak, when the damage is done.]
We see the game, the beautiful chaos you seek. We do not know your purpose, but it is not what you say. Fanning the flames does not require intellect nor knowledge.
The false Amarr loyalist law: Keep the kids busy, keep the kids ignorant--thatÆs the sum of this noxious game.
That is how the game has always been played. We see no improvements. REcursion for the sake of recursion. How is this any different?
Do you seek the truth in accordance to the will of the Empress[sic], or is it to pull the veil of ignorance and hate ever more tightly around the eyes of the confused and blind? Do you wish the word of the Empress[sic] known, or your own views to be presented as hers?
We[sic?] await enlightenment.
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:20:00 -
[7]
Requesting attendance. Dynamics of human politics will be excellent addition to upload to CABAL;s psychology programs.
I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:21:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Jianni Sotaku
Edited by: Jianni Sotaku on 14/12/2009 03:09:51
I would be interested in putting forward an application of attendance.
I find that the Amarrian Empire has many familiar qualities, and I would be eager to learn more about their traditions beyond slavery.
I'll have to check my schedule to assure that nothing conflicts with my attendance. I hope that the decided time does not end up leaving me unable to attend.
Certainly. Time and day will try to accommodate the majority, although a difficult task we will try to do our best in this regard.
This said, you are welcome.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:36:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Vlad Cetes
Requesting attendance. Dynamics of human politics will be excellent addition to upload to CABAL;s psychology programs.
Accepted.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:39:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Requisite for speakers: Only SARUMITES who have pledged allegiance to the house of Sarum before the succession may apply. They are the holders of the true knowledge of the past.
False loyalists known to have pledged allegiance to other heirs don't waist your time, We know who you are.
that is something which hasn't been brought up in a very long time.
Very inconvenient subject for the false loyalists. Part of the knowledge that has been secured and the capsuleers, deprived from attaining it.
I'm here to correct this.
Under the Reign of Sarum, the truth shall be revealed.
Heresy shall have a new name.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Is this a wise course? the damage could be somewhat divisive. The Amarr capsuleers have now a safe and homogeneous existence. The rich diversity of Amarrian culture has been more or less white washed by the ascendance of the Empressàthough oddly the previous two emperors did not have this effect.
You know it is odd. Very well, IÆll not try to stand in your way if you want to release the truth on the current crop of Imperials.
I assume you will send an invitation to the Witchhunter General? Though deep in his monastic retreat I doubt he checks his messages regularly I do know that he has on occasion ventured forth. Why he even fired at one of our Star Fraction carriers with a Revelation in the attempt to attack it while off station. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 03:49:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
You know it is odd. Very well, IÆll not try to stand in your way if you want to release the truth on the current crop of Imperials.
That is exactly what I will do. Reveal the corruption.
It will be unsavory. It will be brutal. But necessary.
Enough with the false union under lies. Amarr shall be purged. The truth about past allegiances shall be revealed. Oaths are oaths and can never be broken.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
I assume you will send an invitation to the Witchhunter General? Though deep in his monastic retreat I doubt he checks his messages regularly I do know that he has on occasion ventured forth. Why he even fired at one of our Star Fraction carriers with a Revelation in the attempt to attack it while off station.
I don't issue invitations for this event. Those seeking the truth shall come and embrace it.
The revelations that will be spoken here are not for the faint of heart.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:13:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Amarr shall be purged. The truth about past allegiances shall be revealed. Oaths are oaths and can never be broken.
Some skeletons in some loyalist closets coming out at this event I take it?
Requesting viewing privileges for what I can assume will be a lively event. Might I also suggest a parallel text comm set up for commentary by those not speaking?
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Re-Opening for Recruitment!
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Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:33:00 -
[13]
I am confused.
In one breath you praise our Empress; in the next, you damn our Faith.
Perhaps you mean to be ironic; perhaps you mean to make a statement; perhaps your ideas and words are too complex for this soldier to understand.
I am unsure whether I should attend, or whether I would be wanted.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:50:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Amarr shall be purged. The truth about past allegiances shall be revealed. Oaths are oaths and can never be broken.
Some skeletons in some loyalist closets coming out at this event I take it?
Requesting viewing privileges for what I can assume will be a lively event. Might I also suggest a parallel text comm set up for commentary by those not speaking?
Only facts that should be known now. Oaths once given that shall made accountable.
May I suggest you to attend as a speaker representing the Khandid Loyalists? I doubt that there are a better scholar in such matter.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:56:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Wayward Daughter
I am confused.
In one breath you praise our Empress; in the next, you damn our Faith.
Perhaps you mean to be ironic; perhaps you mean to make a statement; perhaps your ideas and words are too complex for this soldier to understand.
I am unsure whether I should attend, or whether I would be wanted.
Your confusion is natural. I explain why it's happening. It's due to the Reign of Ignorance.
What you have been told is a lie and I shall expose this lie with facts.
This is the reason of this conference. To unveil the darkness of confusion. To bring to Amarr the truth that has been suppressed.
Different than many may think, our Empire is more than hunting sub-humans.
May Jamyl be praised.
May the faith reminiscent with the False God, die with all who follows it.
Truth shall set Amarr free.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.12.14 05:12:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
May I suggest you to attend as a speaker representing the Khandid Loyalists? I doubt that there are a better scholar in such matter.
Kind words, although I unfortunately represent only those of a certain fortitude of late. Our views may be at odds regarding House Sarum, but they are quite compatible regarding the bloat and rot of current "loyalists."
Count me in.
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Re-Opening for Recruitment!
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 05:29:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Wayward Daughter
I am unsure whether I should attend, or whether I would be wanted.
well Revan has the transcripts and has had first hand communication with the highest ranking Ammarians Officals to venture into space with us Capsuleers. This was back when they did such dangerous thing, as opposed to now when they merely release press statements rather than venture into space.
As an encyclopedia of Sarumite lore and Religion, none left standing rival her except perhaps Archbishop in the realm of Religion.
I believe all I saved was Grand Master Horm suggesting in a side comment that I was a dangerous thug (true of course and for a glorious cause).
I suppose I should revisit my archives and see what other gems I retain.
Things are going to get ugly if Revan goes full disclosure. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 06:26:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
well Revan has the transcripts and has had first hand communication with the highest ranking Ammarians Officals to venture into space with us Capsuleers. This was back when they did such dangerous thing, as opposed to now when they merely release press statements rather than venture into space.
All records remains intact. What you speak is true.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
As an encyclopedia of Sarumite lore and Religion, none left standing rival her except perhaps Archbishop in the realm of Religion.
I hold the teachings of the House of Sarum on it's purest forms. No political changes, No corruption.
I have paid a high price to keep my oath true, and so it's time to set things in place.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Things are going to get ugly if Revan goes full disclosure.
I offer nothing less than full disclosure.
Time for covered lies and misconceptions, are over.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 06:32:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Kind words, although I unfortunately represent only those of a certain fortitude of late. Our views may be at odds regarding House Sarum, but they are quite compatible regarding the bloat and rot of current "loyalists."
Count me in.
Application accepted Lady Vitalia.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Gemini Tordanis
Caldari
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.12.14 09:24:00 -
[20]
Edited by: Gemini Tordanis on 14/12/2009 09:27:13
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I said schizophrenic but you might prefer the words disingenuous, hypocritical, deceitful,double-dealing, unscrupulous, mendacious, shifty, or perfidious.
Lady Neferis,
*Jacob Tordanis snickers slightly
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?
*winks*
If you would grant this Caldari captain an attendance, I would be honored to be a guest. Though I am not a very religious person by nature, I find all forms of history quite inspiring - even the veiled. With the Amarr Empire now headed by the leadership of Lady Sarum, It would be interesting see just how much of a course correction is in order.
Between Heth, Sarum, and Roden - the winds of change are beginning to fill the sails of humanity, watch for the horizon.
Strength and Honor,
J. Tordanis
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Draco C
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Posted - 2009.12.14 11:31:00 -
[21]
Edited by: Draco C on 14/12/2009 11:33:01
Wrong topic...
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Draco Carollis
Amarr
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2009.12.14 11:34:00 -
[22]
I find it quite ironic that the Sani Sabik are willing to alter the interpretation of events to match their views. Some may see it an academic exercise. Others would see it as the height of hypocrisy.
Are you willing to forget the attacks by the Raiders on the Theology Council loyal to her Highness before her Sucession?
Are you willing to forget the Battle of T-IPZB, where you attacked her Highness in person and attempted to eliminate her closest advisers and guardians? When your own people were proclaiming her as "Jamyl the Unholy"?
And how can you forget that the bastard Karsoth (*spits*), your godless man in Dam-Torsard, ran for his worthless existance when her Highness returned to the throne? And that he was finally left to...disappear...at her Highness's will?
Of course you would forget these things - as they do not fit in your own interpretation of the world.
But it bothers me little. Have your little conference, confirm each other's "truth". I won't bother you, if I even remember it. Not all of us are blinkered. Some of us are not completely ignorant.
But do not, I repeat, DO NOT associate yourself and your vile kindred with her Highness. Ever. Again. She may be of Sarum, but she is the Empress now.
Pro Deus quod Imperiator.
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theRaptor
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.12.14 11:37:00 -
[23]
Lady Neferis, I would be honored to be allowed to attend this event. I am particularly interested in the events that took place while I was serving House Sarum in nullsec space.
---
Paladin Crusader of Amarrian Retribution (24th IC). |
Lord Seranus
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:00:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Heresy shall have a new name.
And that name shall be Revan Neferis. I can only pray that someone more capable than I is able to silence your vile blasphemy before it twists any other capsuleers into monstrous beings like yourself.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:14:00 -
[25]
I agree that ignorance of history is a bad thing.
I trust that Revan will use this conference to remind people of her own history of disloyalty to the Empire.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Corelous Alterrian
Amarr
Beyond Evil and Good
United Star Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:37:00 -
[26]
I would like to put forth my application for attendance, IF it is not to much trouble Send a EVE mail confirming my request in game.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:42:00 -
[27]
I would like to attend, a debate on history is a good place to find some good questions. Of course, it will also depend on when it will take place.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Quaesitoris |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 13:48:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Gemini Tordanis
Lady Neferis,
*Jacob Tordanis snickers slightly
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?
*winks*
If you would grant this Caldari captain an attendance, I would be honored to be a guest. Though I am not a very religious person by nature, I find all forms of history quite inspiring - even the veiled. With the Amarr Empire now headed by the leadership of Lady Sarum, It would be interesting see just how much of a course correction is in order.
Between Heth, Sarum, and Roden - the winds of change are beginning to fill the sails of humanity, watch for the horizon.
Strength and Honor,
J. Tordanis
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 13:51:00 -
[29]
Originally by: theRaptor
Lady Neferis, I would be honored to be allowed to attend this event. I am particularly interested in the events that took place while I was serving House Sarum in nullsec space.
Will be an honour to have you with us. One of the long time Sarumites that knows the truth of history.
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:06:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I agree that ignorance of history is a bad thing.
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
And this just the start.
Cursed you are FALSE LOYALIST for your lies and false propagandas in this board.
You alone have been one of the greatest perpetrators of the Reign of Ignorance.
Cursed you be for calling Jamyl Sarum an Heretic!
Do you want lessons about history dog?
Thou shall have it.
Your time of leading the Reign of Ignorance shall end now.
You are a traitor to the house of Sarum and to the current Empress.
Amarr, a lot has been hidden from you. No longer.
BURN INFIDEL!
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:09:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Corelous Alterrian
I would like to put forth my application for attendance, IF it is not to much trouble Send a EVE mail confirming my request in game.
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:11:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Sepherim
I would like to attend, a debate on history is a good place to find some good questions. Of course, it will also depend on when it will take place.
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:18:00 -
[33]
I am made more confused by the replies here. I would like to attend this conference. Perhaps this shall bring clarity.
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Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:21:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I agree that ignorance of history is a bad thing.
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
And this just the start.
Cursed you are FALSE LOYALIST for your lies and false propagandas in this board.
You alone have been one of the greatest perpetrators of the Reign of Ignorance.
Cursed you be for calling Jamyl Sarum an Heretic!
Do you want lessons about history dog?
Thou shall have it.
Your time of leading the Reign of Ignorance shall end now.
You are a traitor to the house of Sarum and to the current Empress.
Amarr, a lot has been hidden from you. No longer.
BURN INFIDEL!
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Lady Revan, you should know at your age that victory excuses all. It seems realpolitik rules even the Empire despite loud cries to the opposite.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:24:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Draco Carollis
Are you willing to forget the attacks by the Raiders on the Theology Council loyal to her Highness before her Sucession?
I'm not a RAIDER, Ignorant.
KNOW HISTORY.
Your sentence just confirms the current state of affairs.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:30:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kaldor Mintat
It seems realpolitik rules even the Empire despite loud cries to the opposite.
You are right. Politics and falsehood is the current state of affairs regarding the Loyalists of such kinds.
It is what needs to be changed. Amarr has been denied the truth too long now. Too many lies.
This is TREASON are accountable to be charged with DEATH penalty under the laws of Empire.
The Empire is not the Federation.
And may every Amarr now open their eyes.
Enough is enough.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:34:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Wayward Daughter
I am made more confused by the replies here. I would like to attend this conference. Perhaps this shall bring clarity.
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Koronakesh
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:35:00 -
[38]
Consider my curiosity piqued and my application for attendance submitted.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:36:00 -
[39]
What a farce. No true Sarumite will ever attend your little charades.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:39:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Koronakesh
Consider my curiosity piqued and my application for attendance submitted.
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Sinjin Mokk
Amarr
Immortalis Licentia
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:53:00 -
[41]
You say you want to promote knowledge and put an end to ignorance. You claim to be loyal to our Emprress, yet denounce her master, our Lord?
You say voices will be there to speak hidden truths about the Empire, yet these voices are only Sarumite? You warp the Light of God when you use one particular culture to refract truth.
I would attend to hear your words. And I would speak the words of a Cyberknight of the Realm. I would bring the Khanid view and the view of the common man in Amarr to your meeeting.
Or do you fear what words I would bring with me?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:11:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
BURN INFIDEL!
Make me.
Although now that I think about it, didn't you once say that you were going to make the whole Empire burn? I don't recall that ever coming to pass.
Tell me Revan, is threatening to make the Empire burn the mark of a true Sarumite?
And while we're at it, prehaps you could answer a couple of questions for me...
Is threatening to make the bodies of such an august organisation as the Cult of Cathechization burn the mark of someone loyal to their Empire?
Is waging war on such notable Amarrian bodies as the CVA and Aegis Militia really the best way to serve the Empire?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:12:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
You say you want to promote knowledge and put an end to ignorance. You claim to be loyal to our Emprress, yet denounce her master, our Lord?
You say voices will be there to speak hidden truths about the Empire, yet these voices are only Sarumite? You warp the Light of God when you use one particular culture to refract truth.
I would attend to hear your words. And I would speak the words of a Cyberknight of the Realm. I would bring the Khanid view and the view of the common man in Amarr to your meeeting.
Or do you fear what words I would bring with me?
I refuse the False God that occupies the mouths of the false Loyalists. Their GOD is nothing but a lie.
It's a God of weakness and excuses.
It's a God that allows words as such:
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Spilt from the mouth from those who follows HIM.
May this God of falsehood be even close to the truth, wouldn't he be all knowing? Would he allow such crime to be spilt by the mouth of his devotee knowing that he would lead Jamyl to the throne?
No. This God is False.
It's an excuse to perpetrate the Reign of Ignorance. It was against this GOD that I have rebelled and proudly so. In times when the throne were Empty so were Amarr devoid of any GOD.
This is the truth.
About your willingness to speak for Khanid, I would be willing to consider your application were you at least able to tender your request with the minimum degree of politeness.
I doubt somehow that you have the capacity to address a large audience with decorum when you tend your application to the hostess of the event as such:
"Or do you fear what words I would bring with me?"
Your last sentence just invalidate your claiming of true intentions. It sounds to me like a little boy making some kind of noise where none are needed.
I have faced the Ire of a Godless Empire. Fear is a word that is not in my vocabulary.
To not know this fact, tells me that you have little knowledge of history itself.
So, If you want to speak about Khanid and your people, first, bring me knowledge that you can do so. That you possess such knowledge to pass to others. And secondly, know how to present yourself in better ways.
If you do so, I will be pleased to consider.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:20:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
BURN INFIDEL!
Make me.
Although now that I think about it, didn't you once say that you were going to make the whole Empire burn? I don't recall that ever coming to pass.
Tell me Revan, is threatening to make the Empire burn the mark of a true Sarumite?
And while we're at it, prehaps you could answer a couple of questions for me...
Is threatening to make the bodies of such an august organisation as the Cult of Cathechization burn the mark of someone loyal to their Empire?
Is waging war on such notable Amarrian bodies as the CVA and Aegis Militia really the best way to serve the Empire?
You show my rebellion against your institutions ans False Gods? That's the best you can do towards this?
Is there anyone who still holds doubts that I'm against everything you profess and hold dear under the banner of falsehood of your invented GOD?
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Your lies are over.
YOUR false Empire shall burn with the lights of truth so Sarum can Reign without your false masks.
Shall I accomplish this frightful task of purging the Empire from it's filth?
I doubt it. That is a power that no capsuleer holds. I trust that Jamyl I after reading your declaration shall make the Empire take the proper measures.
But what I can do I shall do to contribute to the truth and that is, showing your true face.
On that, be sure.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:41:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:45:43
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:44:40
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:41:31
You really do like that comment of mine, don't you Revan?
Although for someone who seems to like it so much, you appear to keep forgetting to put it into any sort of context.
If I recall correctly it was in response to the claim (a correct claim as it turns out) from a purported Sarumite that the then Lady Sarum was still alive. Now, the thing is, a true Sarumite would not have made that claim.
"Why?" I hear you ask.
The simple reason is that her absence from public life was an indication that she did not want any publicity. So going around saying "Lady Jamyl's alive" was almost certainly in conflict with her agenda.
Now, onto the question of whether or not the Empress is or has ever been a heretic.
When I made the claim that if she was alive then she was also a heretic, I was working on an assumption. This assumption was that the tradition of an unsuccesful heir commiting Sathol'Syn was immutable rule, and failure to comply with it was indeed always an act of treachery. So, the reasoning went that had any of the heirs not committed suicide, then they would automatically be commiting an act of heresy.
Now, a lot of the precise circumstances of the Empress' return are not in the public domain. However, since her return both the Privy Council and the Theology have implied that there are in fact exceptions to this rule. Exceptions that I was unaware of at the time that I made that remark.
As such, I was acting on incomplete information when I said it, and as a result my conclusion was wrong.
I am of course happy to retract that statement, and indeed I upon the occasion of Empress Jamyl's coronation I was among the first in the capsuleer community to swear fealty to her.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I trust that Jamyl I after reading your declaration shall make the Empire take the proper measures.
I will of course accept any judgement that Empress Jamyl makes concerning my words or my deeds. I shall likewise take the lack of any such judgement to mean that the matter is of no importance to her.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:46:00 -
[46]
I cant wait to see the spin on this one Rodj.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:53:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:41:31
You really do like that comment of mine, don't you Revan?
No. I detest it. Abominate it. And the lies you speak to justify it are just this, another bunch of lies.
Defend yourself not against me but against your heresy towards The Empress.
It's your soul who shall burn and I know it's lost beyond any salvation.
My task here is to avoid that you bring others to damnation with you. To avoid that you convert more to your Reign of Ignorance.
Let it be known what you stand for and how proudly you have always issued claims of Heresy towards Jamyl. And much worse.
If you feel that this is the worst you have said , you better start to collect your memories. Because I have.
Enough now Rodj.
Your mask is over.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:03:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 16:07:21
Lies, Revan?
I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that you don't recognise the truth when you see it, given the deluded nature of some of your past pronouncements - not least that business in Fensi.
You'll notice that none other than Brother Joshua of the Speakers of Truth passes comment on you there
By the way, I'm still waiting for an answer to my earlier questions.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:11:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Lies, Revan?
I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that you don't recognise the truth when you see it, given the deluded nature of some of your past pronouncements - not least that business in Fensi.
By the way, I'm still waiting for an answer to my earlier questions.
I'm TIRED to say that I am against your GOD.
I have rebelled against your institution of lies.
I would be horrified to be associated with YOUR BELIEFS in any way of form.
Everything that you supported BEFORE the Empress, for the glory of YOUR False throneless God, I stood against it.
Is that clear enough? I think that just you are making sure to not understand that.
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Hide now behind your excuses. Your declaration speaks more than a thousand words to those who are willing to remove the blindness of their eyes.
And fret not. You are not alone in your heresy. I particularly pointed your sentence here because you deemed yourself to intrude in my conference, even if I had left your false amarr prize thread clear for your discussions with your likes.
But in matters of Heresy against the Empress, much more will be presented at the Conference. This is just the scratch.
Betrayer.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:25:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I'm TIRED to say that I am against your GOD.
I have rebelled against your institution of lies.
I would be horrified to be associated with YOUR BELIEFS in any way of form.
Everything that you supported BEFORE the Empress, for the glory of YOUR False throneless God, I stood against it.
My institution of lies?
I'm not the one who's been been called a liar by a Speaker of Truth
But you do highlight an importance difference between yourself and the true loyalists.
Whilst we loyalists support the Empire no matter who is on the throne, you only claim to support the Empire when it suits your current mood to do so.
For example, you say that you stood against the Empire before Empress Jamyl returned. Well, the then Lady Jamyl was an heir who served under Emperor Heideran VII. So how exactly is not supporting the past actions of Empress Jamyl consistent with being a supporter of Empress Jamyl?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:36:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 16:37:07
Originally by: Rodj Blake
My institution of lies?
All of them. Including those who were issued by it and that you so proudly refer to.
I have pledged allegiance to the Lady Jamyl alone. I have said that.
Contrary to YOU who openly affirms that even if a GOAT is placed to occupy the throne, you will follow it because YOUR false GOD is the excuse for you to say so.
JAMYL is the rightful Empress. The one YOU and yours deemed to call HERETIC during her absence.
It seems like it's YOU who cowardly deny your past in order to fit into the current status.
You never expected Jamyl to assume the throne after your declaration:
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
or shall we add to it:
"Remember, if she is alive, then technically she would no longer be an heir, as she was the Sarum heir when Heideran VII died."
You never recognised even her RIGHT to assume the throne would she ever return.
Betrayer and lier. You bend now to the Empress forgetting and excusing what you have always believed. Masking your past. Masking your lies.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:53:00 -
[52]
I've already answered your point here Revan.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:00:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 17:01:46
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I've already answered your point here Revan.
And I have already answered this claim as well.
It seems like we have spoken all that had to be spoken Rodj.
My Juridical Councillors will be formally and officially addressing the issue of your Heretical sayings against Jamyl towards the House of Sarum at my conference.
May you repent and apologise to the Empress and declare the abandonment of the false God and false faith, we may one day work towards the single vision of the Golden ages once lost.
Till than, May your God be merciful with your soul.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:10:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 17:11:03
As I said earlier, I was amongst the first capsuleers to swear fealty the Empress after her coronation.
For the record, the full text of my address was:
Quote:
A family is incomplete without parents. And similarly, an empire is incomplete without an emperor.
But tonight, for the first time in over three years, the Empire will go to sleep with the knowledge that the Imperial throne is occupied.
And just as a loving parent will seek to act in the best interests of their children, so too does an emperor act in the best interests of the people.
For it is the people and emperor together who make an empire - one cannot function for long without the other.
And let us not forget the subjects of the Empire, be they Amarrian, Khanid, Udorian or Ni-Kunni. Truly, they are subjects of God as well as Empress Jamyl, and should be rightly proud of their acheivements.
There may be those who will query our new Empress' right to the throne.
To them I say that I do not know the exact means by which she returned to us, but that the Privy Council and the Theology Council do, and from their response we can see that something marvellous must have happened.
Who are we to doubt the judgement of those to whom the Empire was entrusted?
We in PIE are proud to have supported the Empire for many years. It has always been our policy to support the current Emperor no matter what house they may have belonged to. For the Emperor is of no house and all houses.
Just as we supported Heideran VII and Doriam II, may they both receive glory in heaven, so shall we support Jamyl I. Just as we have fought for her predecessors, so shall we fight for Jamyl I.
We don't fight for personal glory. We don't fight for personal enrichment. We don't fight to slake a primitive bloodlust.
No, we fight to defend our way of life. We fight to protect our children. We fight because it is our God-given duty to do so.
In a moment we will swear fealty to our new leader. But let us not do so out of fear, or out of a sense of self-aggrandisement. No. Let us swear fealty because, simply, it is the right thing to do.
I, Rodj Blake, swear fealty to the Empire and its legally annointed Empress, Jamyl I
And now, bearing in mind all that has been said, I call upon all true loyalists to boycott the conference, and humbly request that Merimeth Sarum declines or ignores Revan's invitation to attend.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:19:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
As I said earlier, I was amongst the first capsuleers to swear fealty the Empress after her coronation.
And as I said, you did it out of convenience to hide your true feelings about Jamyl and the throne. Thank you about reinforcing my statements about your falsehood.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
And now, bearing in mind all that has been said, I call upon all true loyalists to boycott the conference, and humbly request that Merimeth Sarum declines or ignores Revan's invitation to attend.
The only people you call about Rodj are the ones included into your FALSE web of lies and who would gain to not be exposed like you did.
Call to all of them. All your heretical partners in promoting the Reign of Ignorance.
Call them to come and defend your False honour that is now at cheack more than ever.
You need them. Desperately.
As to the Heir Merimeth Sarum, The invitation is Etiquette. He is the Heir and Privy Concil Sarum representative. May HE deem fit to join us, would be an honour.
But don't try to issue voice or influence in this aspect. As if you would have any interference in his agenda and commitments.
It's been known that since a long time Those Leaders do not partake at space with us, capsuleers. My invitation stands as my sign of respect.
Different than you Rodj, I don't disrespect traditions when it's fit.
Now, I hereby declare: May Merimeth Sarum himself declare that my conference is NOT in alignment with Sarum House, I shall accept his decision.
So in the same manner as you use the name of Merimeth Sarum to make a null point Rodj, I believe that the Heir himself can forbid my conference and declare unholy if he so wishes.
Until than. You are the heretic.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:22:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I would be horrified to be associated with YOUR BELIEFS in any way of form.
Well intresting statement Revan. Your a Sarumite, and apparently loyal to our Empress. Yet, all of House Sarum, and our Empress is loyal to Amarr and the TRUE AMARRIAN FAITH! you know, that faith that your opposed to. So, unless you have evidence stating otherwise, I'm thinking your going to hit a dead end. Unfortunatly for you, so long as a you remain a loyal sarumite, you will always be associated with the Amarrian beliefs you hate so much.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:28:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 17:30:15
Originally by: Invelious
So long as a you remain a loyal sarumite, you will always be associated with the Amarrian beliefs you hate so much.
Jamyl did not abide to your Faith.
* She has declined Shathol'Syn - year YC 110 ( suicidal rituals)
* She has declined Royal Purity of Cloning - year YC 110
* She has declined trials to assume the Throne now
The list is endless.
"According to both the Scriptures and centuries of historical precedent, her reappearance constitutes a betrayal of the sacred ritual and is therefore a religious crime."
The Empress is not of your false faith.
Shush now and Return to your ignorance.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:33:00 -
[58]
While i do know some of the capsuleer community enjoy these kinds of situation where their colleauges bicker like mentally underdevoloped 5 year olds perhaps we could get back to the matter at hand. As i understood it the purpose of this coming gathering is in part to discuss these kinds of things and getting different peoples viewpoints, not more of empty and indoctrinated platitudes.
Seeing these kinds of things all the time frankly makes me realize why the empires have no real use for us except possibly as cannonfodder and why in the greater scheme of New Eden we are totally irrelevant.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:37:00 -
[59]
Since the Theology Council are the arbiters of what is and isn't orthodoxy, I think we can take their acceptance of Jamyl's right to the throne as an indication that her rule is in line with Amarrian religious dogma.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:38:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kaldor Mintat
As i understood it the purpose of this coming gathering is in part to discuss these kinds of things and getting different peoples viewpoints, not more of empty and indoctrinated platitudes.
You are correct. No more Ignorance allowed.
Originally by: Kaldor Mintat
Seeing these kinds of things all the time frankly makes me realize why the empires have no real use for us except possibly as cannonfodder and why in the greater scheme of New Eden we are totally irrelevant.
Time teaches us well in this regard. We capsuleers have accepted this status quo and therefore become irrelevant at the great schemes of things.
This can change if the current Reign of Ignorance ends. This is a small step of many greater things that may come.
In times when I first became a capsuleer, we and the greatest leaders of all Empires could meet at Space and speak face to face. We had a say.
We can have our voice back. If we so wish.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Bastables
Amarr
WitchHunters
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:39:00 -
[61]
A Sani Sabik speaking for Sarum.
be Reclaimed and be loved. |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:41:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
* She has declined Shathol'Syn - year YC 110 ( suicidal rituals)
* She has declined Royal Purity of Cloning - year YC 110
* She has declined trials to assume the Throne now
"According to both the Scriptures and centuries of historical precedent, her reappearance constitutes a betrayal of the sacred ritual and is therefore a religious crime."
I find this subject of keen interest, considering many of those imperial loyalists who spoke such vitriol against Khanid II's actions long ago have changed their tune, claiming fealty for Jamyl under similar circumstances. Interesting parallels.
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Re-Opening for Recruitment!
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:43:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: Revan Neferis
* She has declined Shathol'Syn - year YC 110 ( suicidal rituals)
* She has declined Royal Purity of Cloning - year YC 110
* She has declined trials to assume the Throne now
"According to both the Scriptures and centuries of historical precedent, her reappearance constitutes a betrayal of the sacred ritual and is therefore a religious crime."
I find this subject of keen interest, considering many of those imperial loyalists who spoke such vitriol against Khanid II's actions long ago have changed their tune, claiming fealty for Jamyl under similar circumstances. Interesting parallels.
Indeed Silas, indeed...
You see how things goes?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:52:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Bastables
A Sani Sabik speaking for Sarum.
be Reclaimed and be loved.
Lord Bastables...
I'm honoured to know that my conference was the one bringing you to public light again.
You have been missed.
This said, I will avoid any ill debates with you, in consideration of your return.
Our intentions were never different. The purging of the weak, the purging of the false for a better Amarr is what we seek.
We had the same enemies. We shared the same convictions.
You were as much denied to be called a Sarumite.
Your return already pleases me as much.
Amarr is having it's true faces again. To that I consider a one victory accomplished by this thread.
This said,
May you travel in light of truth and perhaps our paths will cross again in this vast Universe.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Since the Theology Council are the arbiters of what is and isn't orthodoxy, I think we can take their acceptance of Jamyl's right to the throne as an indication that her rule is in line with Amarrian religious dogma.
I have no issues with that. Jamyl is the rightful Ruler. And that the Theology council accepted her as such even against this:
According to both the Scriptures and centuries of historical precedent, her reappearance constitutes a betrayal of the sacred ritual and is therefore a religious crime.
Simply means that the Empire itself is already accepting the right faith, HER FAITH.
Only you, followers of the false God are denying it.
You have named Jamyl an Heretic.
Your Sin shall be accounted for.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Petra Bealer
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:03:00 -
[65]
Do you guys script this stuff out? This really is an awesome comedy act.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:51:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/12/2009 18:52:26
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm not the one who's been been called a liar by a Speaker of Truth
This would be the same "speaker of truth" that turned out to be a charlatan and a swindler false even to your own bankrupt religion who prefered to order his crew to dock out of a confrontation with the Star Fraction and clone-jump between systems to avoid our blockade that he couldn't trust PIE Inc. to confront in space I imagine. A man who had condemned the damnation of cloning technology and claimed physical purity of unblemished original flesh chose instead from cowardice and lack of faith in his supporters to transfer his mindstate between systems and continue the pantomine of "god intervening and transfering him" in public discussion thereafter.
Laughable. If this is your paragon of truth it is no wonder you are besmirched with the mockery of those who know what actually happened.
Pathetic Blake. Truly pathetic.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 18:55:42
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 18:55:27
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 18:54:26
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm not the one who's been been called a liar by a Speaker of Truth
This would be the same "speaker of truth" that turned out to be a charlatan and a swindler false even to your own bankrupt religion who prefered to order his crew to dock out of a confrontation with the Star Fraction and clone-jump between systems to avoid our blockade that he couldn't trust PIE Inc. to confront in space I imagine. A man who had condemned the damnation of cloning technology and claimed physical purety chose from cowardice and lack of faith in his supporters to transfer his mindstate between systems and continue the pantomine of "god intervening and transfering him" in public discussion thereafter.
Laughable. If this is your paragon of truth it is no wonder you are besmirched with the mockery of those who know what actually happened.
Pathetic Blake. Truly pathetic.
I don't know which Speaker you're referring to, but this one flew his freighter (along with the thousands of passengers onboard) through a Star Fraction blockade.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:08:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I don't know which Speaker you're referring to, but this one flew his freighter (along with the thousands of passengers onboard) through a Star Fraction blockade.
And that is why you get a reputation for lying. Doesn't matter how many times you claim your fiction is truth its still absolute nonsense.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:09:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This would be the same "speaker of truth" that turned out to be a charlatan and a swindler false even to your own bankrupt religion who prefered to order his crew to dock out of a confrontation with the Star Fraction and clone-jump between systems to avoid our blockade that he couldn't trust PIE Inc. to confront in space I imagine. A man who had condemned the damnation of cloning technology and claimed physical purity of unblemished original flesh chose instead from cowardice and lack of faith in his supporters to transfer his mindstate between systems and continue the pantomine of "god intervening and transfering him" in public discussion thereafter.
Laughable. If this is your paragon of truth it is no wonder you are besmirched with the mockery of those who know what actually happened.
Pathetic Blake. Truly pathetic.
Yes. Exactly the same.
His hero you know...
For someone who openly declares Jamyl Sarum Heretic, No wonder...
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:23:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 19:23:33
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I don't know which Speaker you're referring to, but this one flew his freighter (along with the thousands of passengers onboard) through a Star Fraction blockade.
And that is why you get a reputation for lying. Doesn't matter how many times you claim your fiction is truth its still absolute nonsense.
I refer you to an earlier repsonse of mine to your allegation.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's impossible is the thousands of other people who would have had to clone jump along with him, most of whom were from the lower classes and so would not have had access to the technology.
Let's use Occam's Razor here. What's Brother Joshua more likely to have done? Send thousands of people who wouldn't normally use jump clones to a system, giving them jump clones, flying them back to their homes a dozen or so jumps away and then getting them to activate their jump clones when it was time to confront Lord Kor-Azor? Or would he have just put them on ships and sent them there?
The first scenario, the one championed by you would have presented just as much danger, have been logistically more difficult, and provided no advantage.
And what about Brother Joshua himself? Considering that Speakers of Truth aren't regular travellers why would he fly to Kor-Azor to install a jump clone there for later use when that would present as much danger as just flying there when he needed to?
Oh, and my understanding is that the ban on cloned flesh traditionally applies to heirs and emperors rather than religious dignitaries. And what that means is that your whole argument revolves around calling someone who's job is seek the truth and who had no reason to lie, of lying.
You may claim that Brother Joshua is a liar, but Lord Kor-Azor and his aides saw no reason to doubt his word. Lord Kor-Azor accepted everything that was said by Brother Joshua, even though it's likely that at the time he didn't like the consequences of that!
I notice that your reaction was before was to spit upon Aritcio Kor-Azor. Let's hope that this time you can do better.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:30:00 -
[71]
"Lord Kor-Azor and his aides saw no reason to doubt his word. Lord Kor-Azor accepted everything that was said by Brother Joshua"
Is this really surprising?
Now you start to show where your true allegiances are.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:31:00 -
[72]
I do have a certain fondness for the rule of law, yes. It's hardly a secret, or something that I'm ashamed of.
But then, I wouldn't expect a pirate to understand that.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:37:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I do have a certain fondness for the rule of law
Not at all. Your fondness is that which is convenient to you. In that case, was Kor Azor. Now you pretend to lick the Empress's boots.
You have sold everything you had to uphold your Reign of Ignorance and lies.
The most apparent of all is your capacity to see truth and speak truth in any way or matter.
You are nothing more than a coward, with fear of your own convictions.
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
x
I, Rodj Blake, swear fealty to the Empire and its legally annointed Empress, Jamyl I
You are Pathetic Rodj.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:45:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Not at all. Your fondness is that which is convenient to you. In that case, was Kor Azor. Now you pretend to lick the Empress's boots.
I fail to see how escorting Brother Joshua to Aritcio Kor-Azor so that the former can pass judgement and then supervise the carrying out of the sentence on the latter could be interpreted as such, but never mind.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:00:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Not at all. Your fondness is that which is convenient to you. In that case, was Kor Azor. Now you pretend to lick the Empress's boots.
I fail to see how escorting Brother Joshua to Aritcio Kor-Azor so that the former can pass judgement and then supervise the carrying out of the sentence on the latter could be interpreted as such, but never mind.
You lied about the whole event. You lie and you keep lying. Those who were there knows what it happened.
Yet, you keep lying.
Actually I'm yet to read one single line you have posted that is not a lie, with exception of you saying that I'm against your Institutions, Brother "Joshuas" and the like.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:02:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I notice that your reaction before was to spit upon Aritcio Kor-Azor.
Quoting an earlier lie to support a current one doesn't work Blake. You elected yourself chief propagandist to cover up the SNeaker of Truths(sic) last time and convinced nobody. The man was dog born of the ravishment of jackels and you are flees upon the dog's behind. Nothing really changes.
True Knowledge |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:16:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 20:17:05
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I notice that your reaction before was to spit upon Aritcio Kor-Azor.
Quoting an earlier lie to support a current one doesn't work Blake. You elected yourself chief propagandist to cover up the SNeaker of Truths(sic) last time and convinced nobody. The man was dog born of the ravishment of jackels and you are flees upon the dog's behind. Nothing really changes.
It's an improvement over your earlier spitting, but not by much. You could at least have tried to answer my points.
A wise man once said "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Since neither you nor Revan seem to have anything left but insults, I think that I shall take his advice and leave this thread for now.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:24:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
It's an improvement over your earlier spitting, but not by much. You could at least have tried to answer my points.
Since when have you ever done that? Now you are layering hypocrisy onto falsehood you pitiful tragicomic mockery of a man. Best you flee and hide your shame somewhere else.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:25:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Since neither you nor Revan seem to have anything left but insults, I think that I shall take his advice and leave this thread for now.
Let me correct you:
Since you and Revan have anything but TRUTHS ( which you can't stand)...
Here carry one more truth with you:
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:23:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Since neither you nor Revan seem to have anything left but insults, I think that I shall take his advice and leave this thread for now.
Let me correct you:
Since you and Revan have anything but TRUTHS ( which you can't stand)...
Here carry one more truth with you:
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
A wise decision Rodj. As the public can now see, Revan here is in a on going loop of sticking with the same attack, using it as a method of misdirection from the facts presented against her. She cannot truly provide any level of evidence that House Sarum is in fact what she claims it is. Nor, can she acknowledge the fact that although Jamyl's ascension was unorthodox, it was still the will of Amarr to have her on the throne. This did not come to pass because of Revan's ridiculous beliefs or faith. It came to be because of the will of God, AMARR's TRUE GOD. If our faith is based on Gods will, and our overseers of this faith, the Theology Council, deem, that by the scriptures Jamyl's ascension is still valid, then Revan has nothing, only insults and spun words.
The loyalist bloc's acceptance of Jamyl's Ascension was only natural. We stand by Amarr, our Amarr. If God, along with our Empire, sees fit to have Jamyl rule, and our Council deems it so, then by God it shall be done.
You fail Revan, your time returned will be short lived, things have changed in this Empire, but none of it in your favor. You will soon come to realise that your return is completely meaningless. The House Sarum cares nothing for a heretic such as yourself. May anyone from House Sarum, no capsuleer, but a pure blood of that house, step forward and vouch for Revan, it will never happen, but the floor is open.
Divine Inquisitor,
Invelious
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:31:00 -
[81]
I can see why Constantine and Neferis became lovers. It must have felt like looking into some sort of carnival mirror where it's the same basic person, but fighting for different causes.
Further proof that they're in love with themselves, I think.
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Jakiin
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:33:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Invelious
A wise decision Rodj. As the public can now see, Revan here is in a on going loop of sticking with the same attack, using it as a method of misdirection from the facts presented against her. She cannot truly provide any level of evidence that House Sarum is in fact what she claims it is. Nor, can she acknowledge the fact that although Jamyl's ascension was unorthodox, it was still the will of Amarr to have her on the throne. This did not come to pass because of Revan's ridiculous beliefs or faith. It came to be because of the will of God, AMARR's TRUE GOD. If our faith is based on Gods will, and our overseers of this faith, the Theology Council, deem, that by the scriptures Jamyl's ascension is still valid, then Revan has nothing, only insults and spun words.
The loyalist bloc's acceptance of Jamyl's Ascension was only natural. We stand by Amarr, our Amarr. If God, along with our Empire, sees fit to have Jamyl rule, and our Council deems it so, then by God it shall be done.
You fail Revan, your time returned will be short lived, things have changed in this Empire, but none of it in your favor. You will soon come to realise that your return is completely meaningless. The House Sarum cares nothing for a heretic such as yourself. May anyone from House Sarum, no capsuleer, but a pure blood of that house, step forward and vouch for Revan, it will never happen, but the floor is open.
Divine Inquisitor,
Invelious
You talk about God's will as if its the result of an election. I suppose when The Star Fraction bring freedom to New Eden you will be chirping it was God's will that we be free captains all along.
Can you really not see that it is just a ploy being used by those above you to keep you subservient?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:36:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Invelious
AMARR's TRUE GOD. D
Divine Inquisitor,
Invelious
Your False God.
Who probably sleeps with the prostitute of your arguments.
Invelius. You are even bellow Rodj. At least he lies with style.
You have lost your respect.
Rush now boy.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:57:00 -
[84]
I have very detailed memories of the successful mission of Brother Joshua the Speaker of Truth. I recall taking myself to the City of God for a public sermon. I recall the Star Fraction following me there and the mocking taunts of Jade Constantine at the very low turnout... Mocking until the anarchists realized the truth.
The entire sermon was a diversion designed and executed to perfection. I played on the massive ego of the anarchist CEO and I was not disappointed. Her ego led her and her fleet eight jumps in the opposite direction of the Amarr loyalist fleet escorting Brother Joshua. So great was her need for one-upmanship that she would commit a tactical blunder of epic proportions. An entire fleet held hostage by an old priest in a Bestower.
Finally they realized the truth after nearly twenty minutes of sitting there mocking me. They couldn't see that my sermon was a recording and that I was laughing hysterically at their ineptitude the whole time. When they realized what happend they flew to the system where the Speaker awaited... Alas they arrived to late... and the loyalists cheered with joy as the freighter carrying the Speaker of Truth waltzed right thru the Star Fraction fleet. Yet another failure in the very long list of fractionist failures.
Now today we see yet again a poorly veiled attempt to persuade others that history was different from what it really is. Miraculous jumping Speaker of Truth and teleporting freighters... any excuse to avert from the failure.
History rewritten by anarchists. In many ways very appropriate in this thread given the revisionist claims of grandeur of Revan Nefaris-Constantine. Another sociopath who would ask everyone forget the years she spent denouncing the empire.
They truly are two peas in a pod.
Archbishop
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:02:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Archbishop
I have very detailed memories of the successful mission of Brother Joshua the Speaker of Truth.
Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamT thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.
Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.
Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 14/12/2009 22:05:40
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Invelious
AMARR's TRUE GOD. D
Divine Inquisitor,
Invelious
Your False God.
Who probably sleeps with the prostitute of your arguments.
Invelius. You are even bellow Rodj. At least he lies with style.
You have lost your respect.
Rush now boy.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
An amazing refute, *invelious claps*, further verifing your inability to produce anything validating your stance. Keep on Revan. We will all be waving goodbye to you soon.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:11:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Archbishop
who would ask everyone forget the years she spent denouncing the empire.
Archbishop
Your God in heavens did deprive you from any sort of intelligence, didn't he? Of course, who would believe such silly thing as an imaginary being whispering you what you can or can not do? Only people deprived of critical thinking.
I have asked exactly the oppiste of what you speak. I have asked all to remember the past and with it MY unstopable fight against all the heresy and falsehood YOU and yours commited when the Empire was THRONELESS and therefore without God.
The contrary man, the contrary!!!!!!
Please use whatever you have inside this thick skull of yours at least once. For a change...
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:11:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Invelious on 14/12/2009 22:12:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I notice that your reaction before was to spit upon Aritcio Kor-Azor.
Quoting an earlier lie to support a current one doesn't work Blake. You elected yourself chief propagandist to cover up the SNeaker of Truths(sic) last time and convinced nobody. The man was dog born of the ravishment of jackels and you are flees upon the dog's behind. Nothing really changes.
Here we have Jade Constantine, who, is the very definition of hypocracy. A anarchist, fully bent on the end of Amarr. Has verbally spit in the face of our Empress, and is in league with a Revan whom is a Sarumite Amarr loyalist.
Then, we have the Sarumite Loyalist, Revan, also the definitive answer to hypocracy, who, tolerates the same hypocrate, Jade Constantine, who despises her idol, who she vowed loyalty to, Jamyl Sarum. Jade wishes the end of the Empire revan is apparently on the side of with Jamyl at the helm. Amazing, isnt it people.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:17:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Invelious
inability to produce anything validating your stance.
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:29:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:45:43
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:44:40
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:41:31
You really do like that comment of mine, don't you Revan?
Although for someone who seems to like it so much, you appear to keep forgetting to put it into any sort of context.
If I recall correctly it was in response to the claim (a correct claim as it turns out) from a purported Sarumite that the then Lady Sarum was still alive. Now, the thing is, a true Sarumite would not have made that claim.
"Why?" I hear you ask.
The simple reason is that her absence from public life was an indication that she did not want any publicity. So going around saying "Lady Jamyl's alive" was almost certainly in conflict with her agenda.
Now, onto the question of whether or not the Empress is or has ever been a heretic.
When I made the claim that if she was alive then she was also a heretic, I was working on an assumption. This assumption was that the tradition of an unsuccesful heir commiting Sathol'Syn was immutable rule, and failure to comply with it was indeed always an act of treachery. So, the reasoning went that had any of the heirs not committed suicide, then they would automatically be commiting an act of heresy.
Now, a lot of the precise circumstances of the Empress' return are not in the public domain. However, since her return both the Privy Council and the Theology have implied that there are in fact exceptions to this rule. Exceptions that I was unaware of at the time that I made that remark.
As such, I was acting on incomplete information when I said it, and as a result my conclusion was wrong.
I am of course happy to retract that statement, and indeed I upon the occasion of Empress Jamyl's coronation I was among the first in the capsuleer community to swear fealty to her.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I trust that Jamyl I after reading your declaration shall make the Empire take the proper measures.
I will of course accept any judgement that Empress Jamyl makes concerning my words or my deeds. I shall likewise take the lack of any such judgement to mean that the matter is of no importance to her.
In this post Rodj clearly validates his stance and reasoning. Which exonerates him from your claims Revan, keep clinging onto that qoute, its pathetic.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:37:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 22:38:16
Originally by: Invelious
In this post Rodj clearly validates his stance and reasoning. Which exonerates him from your claims Revan
To you obviously. But you would take his words above everything else considering the kind of arguments you are used to display, your level of acceptance is to everything bellow " low". That's where you rejoice and dwell.
So I'm not surprised.
Gladly, this conference is not for the kinds of you.
Besides, you have no power to exonerate him of anything. You have no authority whatsoever to that.
I for one, as a citizen of Amarr in full rights can and will accuse anyone I see firt of charges of heresy to be judged.
And just to give you a bit of feedback in history, no, I was never excommunicated from Amarr by any Amarr institution or voice so I uphold every rights as a pure Amarr to lay such charges presented with the evidence.
They will be formally presented at the conference to the authorities who will know how to deal with his blatant heretical sayings.
You can rush now.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:08:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 22:38:16
Originally by: Invelious
In this post Rodj clearly validates his stance and reasoning. Which exonerates him from your claims Revan
To you obviously. But you would take his words above everything else considering the kind of arguments you are used to display, your level of acceptance is to everything bellow " low". That's where you rejoice and dwell.
So I'm not surprised.
Gladly, this conference is not for the kinds of you.
Besides, you have no power to exonerate him of anything. You have no authority whatsoever to that.
I for one, as a citizen of Amarr in full rights can and will accuse anyone I see firt of charges of heresy to be judged.
And just to give you a bit of feedback in history, no, I was never excommunicated from Amarr by any Amarr institution or voice so I uphold every rights as a pure Amarr to lay such charges presented with the evidence.
They will be formally presented at the conference to the authorities who will know how to deal with his blatant heretical sayings.
You can rush now.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
I did not exonerate him, he did that for himself. You have no power to charge him with anything, the Amarr you claim to be a citizen of would not allow a sani Sabik, a heretic, to voice false proclaimations against its most tenured and loyal citizens.
As it stands Revan you have failed to refute any of the allegations presented against you. It is clear as day, and anyone listening to this should begin to understand that your statements hold no ground. Being a heretic, hypocrate, and a disgrace to Amarr are the only things you can legitimetly lay claim to.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:18:00 -
[93]
Intriguing. Given the strong ties that currently exist between the Empire and the State, and since no other has volunteered, I will offer to represent the Caldari Providence Directorate at this conference.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:19:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Invelious
I did not exonerate him, he did that for himself.
He has no such authority
Rush now again...?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:23:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Intriguing. Given the strong ties that currently exist between the Empire and the State, and since no other has volunteered, I will offer to represent the Caldari Providence Directorate at this conference.
Very well. A known voice for the State is very welcome. I myself will attend your conference to learn more about your ways.
Welcome Mr Vankaalen
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:16:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop
Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamT thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.
Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.
Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.
As Admiral Blake stated what about the thousands of individuals who accompanied him? I suppose they all miraculously had jump clones on standby one system out that would allow them all the miraculously appear outside the Heirs home?
Archbishop
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Invelious
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Edited by: Invelious on 14/12/2009 22:12:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I notice that your reaction before was to spit upon Aritcio Kor-Azor.
Quoting an earlier lie to support a current one doesn't work Blake. You elected yourself chief propagandist to cover up the SNeaker of Truths(sic) last time and convinced nobody. The man was dog born of the ravishment of jackels and you are flees upon the dog's behind. Nothing really changes.
Here we have Jade Constantine, who, is the very definition of hypocracy. A anarchist, fully bent on the end of Amarr. Has verbally spit in the face of our Empress, and is in league with a Revan whom is a Sarumite Amarr loyalist.
Then, we have the Sarumite Loyalist, Revan, also the definitive answer to hypocracy, who, tolerates the same hypocrate, Jade Constantine. Who despises her idol, who she vowed loyalty to, Jamyl Sarum. Jade wishes the end of the Empire revan is apparently on the side of with Jamyl at the helm. Amazing, isnt it people.
^^^True story. Revan you need to learn to maintain congruency with what you are saying about yourself, because this connection you have with Jade, is completely destroying it.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Asse on 15/12/2009 00:32:43
Still wondering why anyone is responds to this schizophreniac, silly baffoon
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:44:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Archbishop
As Admiral Blake stated what about the thousands of individuals who accompanied him? I suppose they all miraculously had jump clones on standby one system out that would allow them all the miraculously appear outside the Heirs home?
Show me reliable independent witness testimony from any one of these "thousands". You can't, because like everything else to do with this fantasy of yours it didn't happen.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.15 01:18:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Invelious
this connection you have with Jade...
Turn on the camera, you may feel less frustrated.
It starts to show.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
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Aranel Zirachii
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:14:00 -
[101]
Finally, something to enlighten the masses. I put forward my request to attend, and look very forward to the truth.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.15 05:25:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Aranel Zirachii
Finally, something to enlighten the masses. I put forward my request to attend, and look very forward to the truth.
Accepted
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 17:30:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop
As Admiral Blake stated what about the thousands of individuals who accompanied him? I suppose they all miraculously had jump clones on standby one system out that would allow them all the miraculously appear outside the Heirs home?
Show me reliable independent witness testimony from any one of these "thousands". You can't, because like everything else to do with this fantasy of yours it didn't happen.
I trust you have read the chronicle "The Speaker of Truths" detailing the arrival of the Speaker? It clearly mentions the thousands of others who accompanied him on his freighter to the Heirs residence.
I understand the truth is hard to face given your legacy of repeated failures. The truth is clearly there though for all to see. While I am not able to link the chronicle in question at the moment as I am away from my base I will do so when I arrive home. In the meantime I encourage everyone to read the chronicle and see the facts spelled out in simple black and white.
Until then I expect you will continue to deny the facts and possibly even resort to name calling. That is your usual pattern when the blinding reality of another failure hits you in the face. Reality is a tough teacher after all.
Archbishop
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Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.15 17:44:00 -
[104]
Perhaps the Lady Constantine would like to take a few minutes at my conference to speak the true facts behind the famous " Speaker of Truth" aforementioned event to all guests?
I ask evidence to be provided.
The invitation is tendered.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.15 17:47:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/12/2009 17:47:51
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Perhaps the Lady Constantine would like to take a few minutes at my conference to speak the true facts behind the famous " Speaker of Truth" aforementioned event to all guests?
I ask evidence to be provided.
The invitation is tendered.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
I'd be pleased to do so. We actually do have independent witness testimony of many clone-vat technicans with very interesting things to say on these matters (many of whom we had to rescue from Amarrian space after orders were passed for their termination by authorities at that time).
But yes, I'll be happy to tell the truth I saw in space that night.
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Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 18:27:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Archbishop on 15/12/2009 18:29:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'd be pleased to do so. We actually do have independent witness testimony of many clone-vat technicans with very interesting things to say on these matters (many of whom we had to rescue from Amarrian space after orders were passed for their termination by authorities at that time).
But yes, I'll be happy to tell the truth I saw in space that night.
I'm sure we all look forward to your fictional account of the evening. I understand it is easy for you to make things up as you go so these "eyewitness clone vat techs" should be very entertaining.
Of course you still haven't addressed the fact that several thousand common people joined the Speaker of Truth when he confronted the Heir?
Archbishop
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Posted - 2009.12.15 18:36:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/12/2009 18:36:47
Originally by: Archbishop
... your fictional account ...
Of course you still haven't addressed the fact that several thousand common people joined the Speaker of Truth when he confronted the Heir?
Originally by: Archbishop
... your fictional account ...
Good for the goose?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.15 18:56:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 15/12/2009 18:57:55
The only thing accountable for Truth is real time feeds. Real time facts, videos and logs.
All the before and after should be discarded. Media can be manipulated to say whatever they wish to mask reality afterwards.
So Real Time facts.
Can anyone provide such? Whoever can, will be holder of the truth in this case and welcome to present it at my conference.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:34:00 -
[109]
Adding a new theme to the discussion by public request:
Theme 2 - " Amarr: On matters of Heresy "
Much has been debated about the true Faith of Amarr and it's currents affairs. It's undeniable that the orthodox Church considers the Matters of "Faith" of ultimate importance.
But is it truly so? What is Heresy and What is not? Are there new standards? What has changed?
When were the scriptures overthrown for matters of convinience and what is the current Faith who replaced it?
I invite you all to critical thinking about the matter. To give you a little food to thought, I invite you all to see the position of one of the most vocal "representative of such Faith":
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2003.10.28 16:09:00 - [9]
Should any of the losing heirs fail to commit suicide, then they would be commiting the most treasonable heresy imaginable.
Another example of a famous voice who found himself compeeled to give his opinion about the conference:
Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.10.28 15:39:00 - [5]
An Emperor disregarding the scriptures and traditions would be unacceptable. If you are loyal to *the Empire* above else you'll surely agree.
Things have changed much from the mouths of those who claim to have an unshakable faith and hold true about matters of Faith and Politics.
Where is the " unacceptable " now?
Where is the " Most treasonable heresy imaginable?
Amarr. The Reign of Ignorance ends now.
Welcome.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.12.16 02:30:00 -
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To be honest, you all have been speaking in the void, not listening to what the others say, and repeating yourself. And, in this case, Miss Neferis you are ruling out the answers given to you, just repeating the same words. So, as one who vocally opposed the ascension of Empress Jamyl to the throne, I will speak here too.
There is a thing to consider in any theological debate on the nature of the Empire, God, and the Scriptures. Two authorities can speak on the matter: the Empress, and the Theology Council. With that said, Scriptures change over time, and evolve to adapt to new situations that arise. We saw proof of that when the Order of St. Tetrimon brought to the Empire the copies they had of the Scriptures, which they claimed had not been modified by history.
As such, there are two different points in time when we have to analyze what has been said. One is prior to her ascension to the Throne, the other is after. During the time prior, we all are free to speak what we think, on the incomplete information we have at the moment.
Then the Theology Council ruled everything as correct, knowing all the facts and details of the situation. Since they decided it so, being as they are our superiors, we accept it, and set aside our doubts and personal opinions. That is what it means to be Amarr, to be able to accept your place in the Universe. Ours is not the right to judge those above us, we can only have opinions.
And this is the situation once we reach the second point. Jamyl I is our Empress, and so have we all accepted it. There is no more doubt. Nor is there any hypocrisy or hidden truth, it is all clear and in the open. People have to accept the world around them as it is, and once a new Empress obtains the Throne the whole Empire is shaped to its own existance. And we, with it.
As for the Speaker of Truths issue. I was there. I spoke to him on several occassions. My corporation and I participated in securing him safe passage. We knew of Lord Archbishop's plans, as they were discussed in advanced with all involved. You can say all you like, we have proofs, logs and videolinks, as well as EVEmails and other assorted elements. Yet, as is usual with us, they will remain in our vaults. You can choose not to accept what I say and think it is all a forgery or a lie. Your call, Miss Constantine.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.16 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/12/2009 02:53:33
If The Scriptures is the Word of your God they are unchangeable unless God himself attests so.
At the moment that the Scriptures are deliberately ignored you attest to have abandoned your faith.
Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.10.28 15:39:00 - [5]
An Emperor disregarding the scriptures and traditions would be unacceptable. If you are loyal to *the Empire* above else you'll surely agree.
So I take that you disagree with our loyalist in his speech? or Agree?
Is the disregarding of the scriptures accepted now?
If you answer yes. I'm most pleased. Your God is dead, The scriptures can be used as cleaning paper. It's about time.
If you answer no, than you cannot accept Jamyl as your Empress.
The Theology Council deliberately ignored the scriptures in favour to accept Jamyl. It shows that the Empire has forsaken the concept of the word of God. as Sani Sabik , the original faith of Amarr teaches.
There are two choices there:
Accept the Legitimacy of Jamyl I together with the Theology Council against the word of God.
Or
Say that the scriptures is the word of God and therefore unchallenged and so, Theology council commits heresy or officially denies God.
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2003.10.28 16:09:00 - [9]
Should any of the losing heirs fail to commit suicide, then they would be commiting the most treasonable heresy imaginable.
I take it by your answer that you also disagree with the sentence above.
The failing of commiting suicide is no longer the so " most treasonable Heresy" to Amarr.
I take it that Jamyl did change the traditions and word of God.
To be fair, I expected you to be more conscious Sepherim. For someone who use to question, you now quite accept what is given to you without the questioning.
It's good to know.
Now with an Empire without God and with Jamyl at her rightful place, we have no more fights to fight.
You Sepherim was the last of my real concerns because you were able to think. Now that you have kindly bestowed your thinking capacity to resume to the acceptance of what the theology council tells you it's right or wrong, Amarr will be at its finest.
There is no risks.
God is dead. His words overthrown.
Hail for Sani Sabik.
Hail for Jamyl I
May we all walk the path of truth.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
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Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:01:00 -
[112]
The Speech of the Deceiver
Believers of the Church, Paladins of the Righteous, oh humble among those who seek the divine, welcome!
We are convened here today to discuss a matter of sinister consequence. A scourge has descended upon our realm; a blight which has threatened the core of our faith and the house I have sworn to protect.
I have prayed for strength; strength to bear the burden of being the sole protectorate of this throne; for never has the Demon had so great a temptation as the void which is before us now; the void that has remained since the holy ordained was taken from us.
To covet is evil; and mark my words, there are those who covet this throne. The Demon whispers to them, testing their faith night and day, tempting them with visions of power and worldly promises of lust and greed. Take the throne, he says. No need for Succession Trials. No need for Scriptures, for the rule of God, or the laws which He hath appointed.
It seems that we who preach these words, we who are charged with spreading the precious message of the Scriptures, are not immune to the Demon's ploy. It is with sadness and anger that I bring to you the news that some of us have failed the Test of Faith. Those who have been damned-those who are guilty of the most heinous crimes imaginable-they are none other than the corrupt souls of the Theology Council.
I am steadfast in my faith; it will be stronger tomorrow and every day thereafter until my journey to the gates of heaven. Amarr will have a Succession Trial; this is my solemn mission for all of you. No man shall stand before this altar and defy the laws that have held us for millennia; the very laws which God Himself bestowed upon us.
When the heirs are ready, when they make their peace with God and accept His divine plan, then we shall proceed with the laws of Succession. Until then, I will protect the sanctity of this throne with all of my might.
May his light guide us all in faith and reclaim, amen.
-- As spoken by Court Chamberlain Dochuta Karsoth, St. Kuria the Prophet Cathedral, 110 EST
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
Then the Theology Council ruled everything as correct, knowing all the facts and details of the situation. Since they decided it so, being as they are our superiors, we accept it, and set aside our doubts and personal opinions. That is what it means to be Amarr, to be able to accept your place in the Universe. Ours is not the right to judge those above us, we can only have opinions.
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:21:00 -
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I do have to admire Jamyl's ability strong-arm the council and Holders into accepting her despite obvious lapses with established and supposedly -sacred- church and scripture doctrine. One has to wonder what she must have held over their heads in order for such a smooth transition of power to occur.
Perhaps the council and Holers of old were made of sterner stuff during Khanid's trials; as they at least made him fight for it, rather than rolling over so subserviently.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:33:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/12/2009 04:34:24
Echoes of the Past
The Theology Council
Grand Master Elata Ardo
Posted - 2004.08.11 08:45:00 - [52]
Greetings brothers and sisters in Faith.
This discussion about our Order and our legitimacy has forced me to come forward to speak and address your concerns.
Firstly i must say, we are not a cult or breakaway sect. The Militant Order of St Tetrimon was founded in 21460 to counter the influences on the Amarr Empire that were brought about by the Mad Emperor Zaragram II who had usurped the scriptures and traditions of the Amarr. Our purpose has ever been the protection of the True Amarr Faith.
I have no personal argument with any in the Amarr Empire, and hold your faith and loyalty to the Emperor in high esteem. What pains me is the knowledge that this loyalty has been given to a lie, a lie that has continued for so long now that many believe it to be the truth. Our desire has never been to defend or support any political faction either inside or outside the Empire, only to reawaken understanding of the true faith and traditions amongst all Amarrians.
I agree with what some of you have already said, that we have fallen to new depths when Amarr seeks to kill Amarr, and to destroy holy artifacts. This shows how these "Moral Reforms" have indeed damaged our people.
I do not blame Emperor Doriam II, or his predecessor Heideran VII, for they followed the traditions as they were taught them, for these lies have been spread for over a millenia. But it was not always so. During the moral reforms from 21875 to 21950, the Council of Apostles was stripped of its powers, which were transferred to the Emperor and the newly formed Privy Council. The Emperor was elevated to become a spiritual and worldly leader of the Empire. Many at the time were strongly reminded of the Mad Emperor Zaragram II some 500 years earlier, but many of those voices were silenced, forever.
This new young Emperor gathered those religious leaders supportive of him into a special assembly to create a new cannon of scriptures that would increase the moral authority of the Emperor. This assembly became permanent and was named the Theology Council, the defenders of the new religious and political order. Theology Council Inquisitors were much feared throughout the Empire. Under their ruling fist many aspects of the Amarr faith were purged and modified to fit the new political order of the Empire - with the Emperor as the supreme and infallible voice of God.
You may understand our position better now, and why we do not seek the acceptance of the Theology council or to claim legitimacy through members of the Privy council, for the Theology council and the current authority of the Privy council and Emperor are not as originally intended by God, but are the creations of power hungry men.
Had they remained satisfied to lead the Amarr people according to the traditions, we would have had no argument, but those mere men changed and corrupted the word of God, but still spoke as if it were unchanged.
- Saint Elata Ardo.
St. Ardo died almost 3 years ago, shortly after the Theology Council temporarily lifted the suppression edict on the Order's teaching that Amarrian scriptures were altered to give more power to the Emperor and the Privy Council. St. Ardo was killed by Amarrian fundamentalists while on a mission to bring a library of ancient scriptures to the Theology Council for review.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 16/12/2009 07:04:44
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I do have to admire Jamyl's ability strong-arm the council and Holders into accepting her despite obvious lapses with established and supposedly -sacred- church and scripture doctrine. One has to wonder what she must have held over their heads in order for such a smooth transition of power to occur.
So, her reappearance from death to repulse the single largest assault on the Empire in its history is not enough to demonstrate divine will?
Revan is living in the past. She believes that somehow, the politics of interregnum are still relevant. That the petty disputes before Shakor's betrayal still mean something.
I have news for you Revan. Your actions of the past were designed to weaken the Empire that our Empress Jamyl now controls. Do you really think she is fond of you for your constant attempts to destabilize her rule, assuming that she looks at you as anything more important than a fedo?
You see a paradox, an heir who should have been dead who became empress anyways, and you try and turn that into an affirmation of your tragicomic religion.
I see a miracle. A former heir returned from the dead to aid Amarr in what could have been its darkest hour. A brilliant God-Appointed leader for our most-Glorious Amarrian Empire.
Amarr has a war to win, and failure is not an option, for we have our Empress to lead us and Destiny to follow.
Those who embrace the Lord
And walk in light
Shall be saved by His grace
For we are the shepherds in the dark
His Angels of Mercy
Those who turn away from the light
And walk in darkness
Shall be stuck down by His wrath
For we are retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance
- Scriptures. Book of Reclaiming 4:45
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Revan Neferis
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Revan is living in the past. She believes that somehow, the politics of interregnum are still relevant. That the petty disputes before Shakor's betrayal still mean something.
Much to the contrary Gaven, i'm bringing the past here to show how it is irrelevant now.
Isn't this clear with my posts regarding how the past has been utterly adapted to the new condition? How what it was once heretic, now is acceptable?
Please re-read my comments and you will find that I'm fully endorsing the traditions to be broken to this new Era.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I have news for you Revan. Your actions of the past were designed to weaken the Empire that our Empress Jamyl now controls.
How so? Wasn't I right to wage wars against Tetrimon after all? Wan't Tetrimon itself declared heretic afterwards, just proving my point?
I believe that all my actions have strengthened the Empire and it's convictions for a swift non-conditional acceptance of Jamyl I.
We would have a different present, if not shaped by the same actions at the past.
Don't you believe that all of us works by the will of your God? If so, I did the exactly thing needed to bring Amarr to the acceptance of what once was called " treasonable heresy imaginable"
Think about it.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Do you really think she is fond of you for your constant attempts to destabilize her rule, assuming that she looks at you as anything more important than a fedo?
That is your conviction. I have pledged an Oath to Jamyl while inside the halls of Dark Seraph and so far, I haven't seen her condemning any of my actions. I have purged the Empire of Tetrimon, I would have carried out the assassination of Horm as demanded by the Theology Council if it was not by the interference of a loyalist.
Now, If she looks at me as a Fedo, Neither Sarum, nor Amarr have ever stated so. It can only mean that perhaps she looks at you too as a Fedo in the same way.
Or she may look at all of us as Fedos. Does it change the fact that history was shaped by our actions?
No.
Jamyl I is where she should be. Do we disagree in this regard?
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
You see a paradox, an heir who should have been dead who became empress anyways, and you try and turn that into an affirmation of your tragicomic religion.
I see no paradox. Jamyl Sarum is the Empress who the Blood Sephrim have told us about in advance.
If that doesn't suffice, let's look at the evidences about Jamyl being the Empress that Court Chamberlain Dochuta Karsoth spoke about in his speech:
"Take the throne, he says. No need for Succession Trials. No need for Scriptures, for the rule of God, or the laws which He hath appointed."
Wasn't he right after all? I have no reasons to believe that Jamyl isn't the Empress of the Sani Sabik Faith. The Faith that acknowledges power, wars and immortality.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I see a miracle. A former heir returned from the dead to aid Amarr in what could have been its darkest hour. A brilliant God-Appointed leader for our most-Glorious Amarrian Empire.
As for returning from the dead, I too did it and I can guarantee to you that it is not a miracle neither is what Jamyl did. Jamyl never died. She never committed suicide. It's simply clone technology that she used, against the scriptures and traditions but in accordance with the Sani Sabik faith.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr has a war to win, and failure is not an option, for we have our Empress to lead us and Destiny to follow.[center]
And may you succeed with that.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
scriptures quote
That is unneeded considering that the faith of the scriptures are overrated. The simple wish of the Empress should suffice now. We need not God.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.16 08:10:00 -
[118]
I don't remember much some of the Speaker of Truth stuff. I wasn't much involved.
I recall Archbishop's brilliant ploy.
I also recall the Speaker teleporting.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.16 12:08:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamT thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.
Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.
Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.
He was escorted by a fleet and didn't use a jumpclone. I was there with that fleet, I can attest it. You were probably too busy 'outmaneuvering' the escort group to notice though.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.12.16 13:58:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Sepherim on 16/12/2009 13:58:27
Originally by: Revan Neferis
If The Scriptures is the Word of your God they are unchangeable unless God himself attests so. Atemporal.
You are wrong in this assumption. The Scriptures are a compilation of several books, from science, to faith, to law. Only some of the books were dictated by God. Those haven't been modified. Like with everything human, the rest has.
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So I take that you disagree with our loyalist in his speech? or Agree?
I agree with him, but where you see a paradox I see none. Laws and traditions are that, laws and traditions. Important in the ruling of the Empire, sure, but not set in stone. They change to adapt to new circumstances. As every organization does.
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Is the disregarding of the scriptures accepted now?
No. They were not disregarded. They were changed, and that is one of the power any Emperor has. That's why he is His chosen.
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Accept the Legitimacy of Jamyl I together with the Theology Council against the word of God.
This is a paradox. The voice of Jamyl I and the Theology Council is the word of God. They cannot be opposed.
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The failing of commiting suicide is no longer the so " most treasonable Heresy" to Amarr.
Without knowing the details of how it actually happened, I can't guarantee it. It is obvious that the easy explanation, the logical one, is that she cloned herself. But miracles happen, Miss Neferis. Without exact detail of what happened, I can not rule them out. Neither can you.
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I take it that Jamyl did change the traditions and word of God.
She changed the traditions, yes. But not the word of God.
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To be fair, I expected you to be more conscious and question.To give me trouble killing God. For someone who used to be the leader of a true "Ordo Quaesitoris", you now quite accept what is given to you without the questioning. You may as well change the function of your Organization as you no longer delegate it the right to question.
Actuallu, Miss Neferis, what you expected was that I arrived at the same answers as you did. I asked myself all those questions many times, and investigated about them to the extreme of my capacity. I just arrived at a different solution.
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" Set aside our doubts and personal opinions"
This is the true meaning of the word SLAVERY.
But I can't be more pleased.
Congratulations from your promotion from a thinking human to a non thinking entity.
I see that time has changed you a lot.
Slavery does that to one, yes, changes them a lot. But, in any case, we are all slaves ones of others: be it a Holder, a Lord Holder, a Heir, an Empress, or God himself. You cannot escape it, even if you try to deny it. That is why slavery exists, to teach this same basic lesson, that has to be written into the same soul and bones of the peoples.
As for a man without thinking entity... I think, just not along the same paths as you do. As I said before, I too was vocal against her Ascension. But that was in the first phase, not the second. In the second, I accept. Because I am an Amarr, and that is what a True Amarr does.
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Your scriptures values to you as much as it has always valued to me: Nothing at all.I've been right about you: You are a Sani Sabik at heart and soul.
At last our past 3 years conflict comes to an end.
God is dead. His words overthrown.
God cannot die. You either believe in Him or you don't, but if you don't He cannot die because he never existed, and if you do He cannot die because He is eternal. Thus it is an empty paradox.
As for the Scriptures, not all of them have the same value to me, but the parts dictated by God himself are set in stone. Both in my heart and my soul. If you share them, maybe it is because you aren't sani sabik at heart afterall.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Quaesitoris |
Theophilas
Amarr
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2009.12.16 14:50:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamT thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.
Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.
Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.
He was escorted by a fleet and didn't use a jumpclone. I was there with that fleet, I can attest it. You were probably too busy 'outmaneuvering' the escort group to notice though.
lol
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr
Immortalis Licentia
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Posted - 2009.12.16 14:59:00 -
[122]
When you made your initial announcement, you made it sound as if you wished for a forum for all Ammarians to speak on subjects regarding the empire and faith. It seemed as if it would be a forum for the best political and theological minds in the galaxy to come together for the betterment of the Empire. I looked forward to attending.
After reading the many quips youÆve shared with Rodj Blake, you no longer sound like a person who seeks the truth, but a fanatic who will be swayed by nothing save the Light of God.
That you would extend an invitation to pirates and enemies of the Empire is unconscionable. If you seek the company of their ilk, you deserve no better than to be classified like them. Instead of hearing the words of the EmpireÆs holiest you would hear the words of heretics and anarchists and free-thinkers who know nothing of service, duty and sacrifice. If this is true, then I say you can truly know nothing of God. You cannot hear His voice because you have stopped up your ears with the words of broken men. You do not allow people like this a voice. You burn them at the stake.
I have to think that there may be hope for you Neferis. I implore you in the name of God to denounce these heretical, evil ways and come back to us. Accept the rule of Empire. Accept servitude to the one, true God who loves you and owns you and only asks for your love, service and devotion in return. It is not too late to avoid the flames of perdition.
My sword is raised to the stars for you. I pray that you will see it as a beacon home. If not, you will surely, eventually, taste its steel.
By His Light and His will!
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:33:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Sepherim
Only some of the books were dictated by God. Those haven't been modified.
You cannot affirm what you speak with any degree of certainty.
Originally by: Sepherim
Laws and traditions. Important in the ruling of the Empire, sure, but not set in stone.
Be glad that we live in modern times where new standards of heresy are fashionable. A sentence like this would get an Amarr accused of heresy, excommunicated and most likely killed just a few eons ago.
Originally by: Sepherim
No. They were not disregarded. They were changed, and that is one of the power any Emperor has. That's why he is His chosen.
I haven't heard about the Empress issuing such changes. The book seems pretty much the same to me. I invite you to show us the new book added ( if any) or the changes made and its announcement.
Originally by: Sepherim
This is a paradox. The voice of Jamyl I and the Theology Council is the word of God.
This is heresy. You cannot say that the voice of the Empress is equal to anything else.
Anyway I'm curious to know what you say about the voice of the Chamberlain.
Originally by: Sepherim
She cloned herself.
Obviously. The Sani Sabik endorses such practice.
Originally by: Sepherim
She changed the traditions, yes. But not the word of God.
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Originally by: Sepherim
This is a paradox. The voice of Jamyl I and the Theology Council is the word of God.
Decide.
Originally by: Sepherim
I just arrived at a different solution.
Doubtfully. At the end you just confirmed that this Era is an Era where traditions and the scriptures are disregarded under a leader whose power can never be contested and shouldn't even be asked. Man made God.
I'm pleased. We would hate to have someone with ideas that a new Saint Tetrimon could suddenly doubt such things, wouldn't you?
Originally by: Sepherim
I too was vocal against her Ascension.
You and who else? Because I was never against Jamyl's ascenssion. Much to the contrary I have always endorsed it.
Originally by: Sepherim
I accept. Because I am an Amarr, and that is what a True Amarr does.
You are an Amarr but have no purity of a true Amarr. Although your blood is less weak, don't compare yourself with a true Amarr and don't expect to utter words in our name. You don't know what it is to be a true Amarr and never will. This said I will tell you what it is to be a true Amarr: It's to recognize power when you see it.
And I see it.
Originally by: Sepherim
God cannot die.
Jamyl is divinity made Flesh. Why would you need anything else above her?
Renounce your superstitions. We have no need for them any longer.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:48:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/12/2009 15:49:50
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
I have to think that there may be hope for you Neferis.
Hope is for the weak. I need not Hope. Jamyl is throned and nothing else is needed.
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
I implore you in the name of God to denounce these heretical, evil ways and come back to us.
Us who? My oath was to Jamyl Sarum Alone whether she is occupying the throne or not. It happens that she is.
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Accept servitude to the one, true God who loves you and owns you and only asks for your love, service and devotion in return. It is not too late to avoid the flames of perdition.
Your God has betrayed me using the mouth of Grand Master Horm. He allowed it. The God you speak would have not allowed such thing to happen.
I have found the truth in the books of the apocrypha. Truth shall set you free.
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
My sword is raised to the stars for you. I pray that you will see it as a beacon home. If not, you will surely, eventually, taste its steel.
I see not your sword and doubtfully It can be even called a beacon of light. The living power divinity is Jamyl and only her has ever yield power for me to recognise as a beacon.
No one else, not your even your imaginary God.
May you stand against me and Jamyl, you will see what others already have seen. The heavens burning and a thousand ships at space with a whisper I utter.
Where they will fire depends of where I see need.
May be that I reach for the true reclaiming and decide once for all to exterminate the sub-race as it seems none of you is capable of doing so for the shame of our name.
Or may it be that I see need to purge home first so the Empress may lead a clean pure Empire.
Direct my rage not toward you and yours. It's my advice.
Or do at your own peril and those who surrounds you.
The choice is yours.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Forian Cain
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Posted - 2009.12.16 16:10:00 -
[125]
Sovereign Neferis,
I am deeply fascinated by this topic and would love the opportunity to learn more. Thus it is with the deepest respect that I request the honor of attendance.
Very Respectfully,
Forian Cain
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:26:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/12/2009 18:36:47
Originally by: Archbishop
... your fictional account ...
Of course you still haven't addressed the fact that several thousand common people joined the Speaker of Truth when he confronted the Heir?
Originally by: Archbishop
... your fictional account ...
Good for the goose?
So which is it? You seem to acknowledge the Speaker of Truth did arrive at the Heirs residence (because you claim he clone jumped). This seems to indicate you acknowledge the Chronicle that clearly describes the visit and the thousands who accompanied him. Yet you also claim those thousands so clearly described in the Chronicle are "fiction".
So which is it Jade? Is the chronicle fiction? It seems you acknowledge irts authenticity by your repeated claims Brother Joshua "jumped" past your ships. Yet you claim the Chronicles thousands of participants didn't happen?
You look downright hypocritical... As always. Picking bits and pieces out of reality while lying about those parts you find inconveinent truths.
Amusing as always.
Archbishop
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:38:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Forian Cain
Sovereign Neferis,
I am deeply fascinated by this topic and would love the opportunity to learn more. Thus it is with the deepest respect that I request the honor of attendance.
Very Respectfully,
Forian Cain
It seems like my data recognition device fails to analyse the data of your Race and Affiliations here. I may be able to do so from space, but while planet-side here I must postpone the acceptance until such data is provided.
Or by all means please feel free to bring the information here and I shall verify it.
The search for knowledge is always something to be praised.
If legitimacy of your pod pilot identification is verified, you will be welcome to attend.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Forian Cain
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Posted - 2009.12.17 02:46:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Forian Cain
Sovereign Neferis,
I am deeply fascinated by this topic and would love the opportunity to learn more. Thus it is with the deepest respect that I request the honor of attendance.
Very Respectfully,
Forian Cain
It seems like my data recognition device fails to analyse the data of your Race and Affiliations here. I may be able to do so from space, but while planet-side here I must postpone the acceptance until such data is provided.
Or by all means please feel free to bring the information here and I shall verify it.
The search for knowledge is always something to be praised.
If legitimacy of your pod pilot identification is verified, you will be welcome to attend.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Sovereign Neferis,
Please see the trace back of the entangled communication I have sent to your ship for the additional credentials you seek. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Very Respectfully,
Forian Cain
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.12.17 04:05:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
You cannot affirm what you speak with any degree of certainty.
I would point out the obvious first: you can't proof otherwise. But, that's beside the point. There are a great number of books in the Scriptures, but lets just take a couple examples:
-Book of the Prophet Kuria
-Book of Saint Junip
-Book of Prophet Anoyia.
As far as I know, neither prophets nor saints are, directly, Him. So it is obvios that He didn't directly dictate those books, for example.
Originally by: Sepherim
Be glad that we live in modern times where new standards of heresy are fashionable. A sentence like this would get an Amarr accused of heresy, excommunicated and most likely killed just a few eons ago.
I have paid my price for my words before, Miss Neferis. You were not the only one to suffer in this time.
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I haven't heard about the Empress issuing such changes. The book seems pretty much the same to me. I invite you to show us the new book added ( if any) or the changes made and its announcement.
Things don't change only by obvious and specifically addressed words. When an Empress is named without Shak'tol Syn and it is approved as correct, that is in itself an important change. For example.
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Originally by: Sepherim
This is a paradox. The voice of Jamyl I and the Theology Council is the word of God.
This is heresy. You cannot say that the voice of the Empress is equal to anything else.
Anyway I'm curious to know what you say about the voice of the Chamberlain.
God chooses who He wants to be His Emperor. He Chose Jamyl I knowing her heart deeply, to the bottom, and knowing where she would lead the Empire. Afterall, He knows everything. Thus, through her we can hear Him.
As for the Chamberlain, he's just a man.
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Originally by: Sepherim
She cloned herself.
Obviously. The Sani Sabik endorses such practice.
I only said that is one of the possible options. I didn't say that was necessarily correct.
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Originally by: Sepherim
She changed the traditions, yes. But not the word of God.
The voice of Jamyl I and the Theology Council is the word of God.
Decide.
Nothing to decide between. There is no contradiction between those statements. She is the voice of God. And God's voice is the same since the beginning of time, thus hasn't been changed.
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I'm pleased. We would hate to have someone with ideas that a new Saint Tetrimon could suddenly doubt such things, wouldn't you?
I never hate anyone for having ideas. The Amarrian religion doesn't judge ideas, but actions. A man who did attempt on Her life would be another case, completely.
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You and who else? Because I was never against Jamyl's ascenssion. Much to the contrary I have always endorsed it.
You can check the IGS, it is all posted and recorded there, I don't keep a list.
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Originally by: Sepherim
I accept. Because I am an Amarr, and that is what a True Amarr does.
You are an Amarr but have no purity of a true Amarr. Although your blood is less weak, don't compare yourself with a true Amarr and don't expect to utter words in our name. You don't know what it is to be a true Amarr and never will. This said I will tell you what it is to be a true Amarr: It's to recognize power when you see it.
And I see it.
I said I am an Amarr, not a True Amarr. But I also know what True Amarrs do. I've seen it thousands of times, it has been taught to me.
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Jamyl is divinity made Flesh. Why would you need anything else above her?
God is not something you can choose, or need. He exists.
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Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.17 04:40:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Wayward Daughter on 17/12/2009 04:41:28
Originally by: Sepherim
Originally by: Revan Neferis
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Originally by: Sepherim
I accept. Because I am an Amarr, and that is what a True Amarr does.
You are an Amarr but have no purity of a true Amarr. Although your blood is less weak, don't compare yourself with a true Amarr and don't expect to utter words in our name. You don't know what it is to be a true Amarr and never will. This said I will tell you what it is to be a true Amarr: It's to recognize power when you see it.
And I see it.
I said I am an Amarr, not a True Amarr. But I also know what True Amarrs do. I've seen it thousands of times, it has been taught to me.
Sir and Lady,
Perhaps you could inform those of us who are ignorant the depths of your double-talk?
Respectfully
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.17 04:42:00 -
[131]
The difference between you and I, Sepherim is that you need a God to justify your actions. I don't. I take responsibility for my own life and choose who I deem worthy of accepting as my leader.
It was so, my only decision when I have pledged that Oath to Lady Jamyl inside the halls of Dark Seraph.
But I will tell you something else. If your God exists, he betrayed me. He used Grand Master Horm as a devil to deceive me.
Jamyl never did. She promised she would return and asked us to keep the name of Sarum strong in our hearts.
I will take her as ultimate power above your God anytime. Who knows when he would betray me next?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.17 04:48:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Wayward Daughter
Sir and Lady,
Perhaps you could inform those of us who are ignorant the depths of your double-talk?
Respectfully
Certainly.
It's very simple. Sepherim attests that God exists above the Empress.
I attest that the Empress rules by her own Power without the need of a God.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2009.12.17 07:56:00 -
[133]
Fools, all! Karsoth was correct. The Empire grows weaker, and you stand by and do nothing but bicker! Releasing slaves, debating the existence of God, and listening as a...Quiet, the Empress is...No, he is right. They have grown weak. Words are all they know, their actions reserved for the primi...
Admin412: No further outbursts please. We speak with one voice.
Sani Sabik Faith is anti Ignorance. Sarum House is Anti Ignorance.
A simple test. Why did the Empress grant freedom to so many slaves? If you truly know the Empress' will, let us see how knowledgeable you are. Let us know if you can see where the river flows. Let us know if you can see the source of the stream.
Show us that you are more than just words and action, but also thought.
You, capsuleer, need to start thinking differently about your knowledge and abilities.
YOU can think critically and engage in historical inquiry if youÆre actually given the opportunity.
Let us see if you can prove your own presumptions.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:49:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Forian Cain
Sovereign Neferis,
Please see the trace back of the entangled communication I have sent to your ship for the additional credentials you seek. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Very Respectfully,
Forian Cain
I have received your communication and I consider it acceptable.
Be welcomed to the conference.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
edeity
Amarr
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:48:00 -
[135]
I respectfully request to attend on behalf of the brotherhood of the Battlemonks.
As a student of religious truth and always in search of those who can educate and edify our faith this noble endeavour offers grand scope of opportunity to genuinely give rise to new insight and learning.
For my contribution I offer what little insight and learning I have gained from the journey of my brotherhood amongst the Amarrian "loyalist" capsuleers. This offers perhaps a differing perspective outside of the main political and financial factions.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.12.17 12:50:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
The difference between you and I, Sepherim is that you need a God to justify your actions. I don't. I take responsibility for my own life and choose who I deem worthy of accepting as my leader.
In this we disagree. I don't think God participates in the world at all, except in the election of an Emperor, or when he touches a man or woman and makes them into a saint or prophet. It would be senseless for Him to participate in everything, as it would deny the meaning of the world: to test us.
The Universe is set before us, and we are free in it, to do and believe as we like. And, in time, our actions are pondered and judged by Him, to see who has remained in His path and who has fallen. And, in return, we offer Him the Empire as a gift.
Thus, I claim responsability for my own actions, as well as believe in Him.
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It was so, my only decision when I have pledged that Oath to Lady Jamyl inside the halls of Dark Seraph.
My only decision, then, was to pledge my Faith to Him.
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But I will tell you something else. If your God exists, he betrayed me. He used Grand Master Horm as a devil to deceive me.
He did not betray you, Mr. Horm did. He was a free man, as were you, both bound to the universe. God only looked as it happened.
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I will take her as ultimate power above your God anytime. Who knows when he would betray me next?
He won't betray you again, but I understand your choice and respect it. Everyone is free to place their Faith where they decide to, as long as they accept the consequences. Or until we catch him and send him into slavery for his betterment. Until then, they are free. And afterwards, they are even more free.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.17 14:30:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/12/2009 14:31:41
Originally by: Archbishop
... confused babbling ...
The "chronicle" you reference represents a propaganda piece from the Amarrian Empire. The purpose of the piece is straightforward. It is a warning against embarrassingly decadent malfeasance on the part of Amarrian heirs, and a pantomine of religious punishment for personal damages wrought on various castes of Amarrian godslaves. In this word of fiction (which may or may not be based on actual events) a Speaker of Truth (who could clearly be a clone) is accompanied by a handful of holders while a "multitude of commoners" is represented offstage behind the throne-room doors. Said "speaker" makes a religious judgement of "wrongs" that require the death of the heir. Haggling ensues and it is agreed that cloning tech will be used to prevent Artico from paying the full weight of punishment. The "speaker" makes a weak complaint at this but is overriden. The conclusion of the tale ends on the words ... "And should he expire, well, his captors and caretakers were expected to take whatever steps necessary to ensure he would live again, regardless of personal morals and religious law."
Regardless of religious law.
Which is all very appropriate given that nowhere in this "chronicle" is described the way the "speaker" comes to Kor-Azor and in no-way contradicts the witness evidence provided in many places on galnet describing the "speakers" arrival in Kor-Azor directly at the heir's station above the destination planet avoiding all gate-transit. We have never claimed that the various commoners aluded too were capsuleers - their freighters certainly travelled through space and utilized hyperspace gates to reach their destination. The "speaker" himself however did not.
He is a capsuleer. He is cloned, he has transfered his consciousness between systems. He has broken your "religious law" himself by risking the "damnation" of cloning and so it is no surprise in your fictional chronicle he allows himself to be depicted as commuting a stern religious judgement to be compromised by cloning tech Regardless of religious law.
Your crime "Archbishop" is as always you hope to release a murky cloud of concealing ink like a startled sea-invertebrate hoping to avoid predators when challenged. But you cannot avoid the facts with your misdirections and petty deceits. This chronicle is a fiction. But it is a fiction that serves the interests of my account not yours. It is quite pathetic you seem unable to grasp that simple point.
The deeper issue here is why those multitudes of commoners and holders should have felt satisfied with a punishment that essentially changes nothing. Provides no restitution or any justice any kind. Removing limbs and regrowing them is pantomine nothing else. This "speaker" is a swindler and a mountebank peddling delusions as restitution and serving the status quo. He channeled revolutionary fervour to himself and promised change but nothing has changed. An Amarrian eel has had its tail removed to immediately grow back.
Why believe this liar and fraudster would not use every trick at its disposal.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.17 17:25:00 -
[138]
Originally by: edeity
I respectfully request to attend on behalf of the brotherhood of the Battlemonks.
As a student of religious truth and always in search of those who can educate and edify our faith this noble endeavour offers grand scope of opportunity to genuinely give rise to new insight and learning.
For my contribution I offer what little insight and learning I have gained from the journey of my brotherhood amongst the Amarrian "loyalist" capsuleers. This offers perhaps a differing perspective outside of the main political and financial factions.
edeity
Your participation is welcomed by me. I'll be happy to accommodate a time to listen to your words, I'm sure they will be very interesting to all present.
Your application is accepted.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Jahandar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.17 17:35:00 -
[139]
It will be a real pleasure, as a former Sarum house servant and Sani Sabik priest, to attend this gathering.
May truth and knowledge always prevail. |
Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
Scorpion Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.17 18:06:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/12/2009 17:43:59
Originally by: Archbishop
... confused babbling ...
The "chronicle" you reference represents a propaganda piece from the Amarrian Empire. (etc.)
((OOC: I'm sorry to interupt all of you, but I don't think our characters are supposed to have IC knowledge about the chronicles as if they were a database. They seem to me as stories for players, not a "library" to be referenced while roleplaying. That said, of course I'm not saying that you aren't free to comment on the events since you were all obviously present yourself.))
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.17 19:13:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Jahandar
It will be a real pleasure, as a former Sarum house servant and Sani Sabik priest, to attend this gathering.
May truth and knowledge always prevail.
And here another Sarumite of old times rises to the new Era.
Welcome, Prince of the Veil.
Your application is, of course accepted with honours.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Subject 003IX
Amarr
Project 003
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Posted - 2009.12.17 19:45:00 -
[142]
As CEO of Project 003 and the leader of the Blood Void Sect of the Amarr Faith, I hereby request a single representative seat, but not for me. I myself am not interested in scholarly pursuit. That said, my sect could benefit from such knowledge as will be presented. As such, I request a seat for my lead researcher, Lady Nikilaiki Ruutarhara.
For obvious reasons, I would also request her not be granted speaking rights. She may be brilliant, but her rather... unorthodox way of thinking, let alone speaking, would be far too disruptive.
Lady Indira Karris
Matron, House Karris-in-Exile
Blood Void Sect
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Eric Lancier
Gallente
VR Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:13:00 -
[143]
I would like to formally request a place at the event, purely a diplomatic place to learn of your culture and history.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:46:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Eric Lancier
I would like to formally request a place at the event, purely a diplomatic place to learn of your culture and history.
Your application is accepted.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.17 22:08:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Tigerfish Torpedo on 17/12/2009 22:09:33
The only oath of loyalty I ever swore, was to you; Shiras Revan Neferis. I find that my binding oath still applies, and in light of your glorious return, I would be delighted to receive an invite to this event.
I remain your most humble servant,
Tigerfish Torpedo,
Veteran of AzA, Dark Seraph and Prathet to the Thrice Illustrious Sovereign.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:17:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 18/12/2009 00:23:23
Originally by: Sepherim
It would deny the meaning of the world: to test us.
Classic. An attempt to justify the existence of evil is to say that God is testing us in some way.
This is why your Faith contradicts itself. It says: God is all-knowing. It knows everything, future and past.The omniscient monotheistic God. Such a God exists outside of time, and can see all future and past events as if they've all already happened. This chain of events has all been created by God, from beginning to end. As a result of all this, God clearly knows what tests we will pass and fail. God knows if we are largely moral or largely immoral. It knows why we transgress, and it knows in detail every reason and factor that ultimately causes us to go wrong.
God therefore never needs to test anyone. God knows, even without doing a test, what the results of the test will be. As it is clear that suffering exist and moral dilemmas abound, we know that either God is evil or doesn't exist. We certainly know that evil, confusion, suffering and anything else is not a "test" from God.
Originally by: Sepherim
He did not betray you, Mr. Horm did. He was a free man, as were you, both bound to the universe. God only looked as it happened.
Explained this above.
Originally by: Sepherim
He won't betray you again, but I understand your choice and respect it.
Good. I won't allow an imaginary man made invented figure to play dices with my life. Not ever again.
"There will be a day when you will look over your shoulder at the ruins of your world and you will realize all these words have come to pass. Your gaze will reveal that everything in your God and in your Empire was a lie. Their desire to fall the Lord, to strike down the Holy will ultimately succeed. It is in this hour that we dance in the shadows, bound by His shackles no more. Even as this truth clears, so to will it be clear that the Lord, your God, has been dead a long while. Long ago was that war fought and won, though the Empire will clamor to hide this, weeping as their veils fall.
This could have been avoided.
Fret not this destruction, nor cry out for comfort. These actions hold purpose no longer, as there is no God to hear your pleas, no God to answer your prayers.
Despair not in this loss; cry not into the void. The Age of God has ended, and the gold has peeled from its veneer.
Without God, there is no devil. Thus free of service and of exterior conflict, the time has come for man to claim his rightful place amid the Halls of Power in the Heavenly Court.
I will show you the way.
Bloodveil Apocrypha.
1.Approbation: Wherein the fate of the world is revealed and the veneer is peeled.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:43:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Grim Asse on 18/12/2009 00:46:14
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Revan Neferis
text
*screen flashes up, an old, blind Amarr appears on the com screen, this time with a pointy hat and a big blinky rod in his hand - he shakes his head slowly and mumbles:*
"Still don't understand why this pathetic, schizophrenic buffoon is still being talked to by anyone but his own agents or morons
All hail the Empress and Stuff"
*transmission screen fades*
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:31:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
Edited by: Tigerfish Torpedo on 17/12/2009 22:09:33
The only oath of loyalty I ever swore, was to you; Shiras Revan Neferis. I find that my binding oath still applies, and in light of your glorious return, I would be delighted to receive an invite to this event.
I remain your most humble servant,
Tigerfish Torpedo,
Veteran of AzA, Dark Seraph and Prathet to the Thrice Illustrious Sovereign.
Prathet Torpedo.
There are things, time holds no power to break. Your Oath stands and I shall not forget.
It will be a pleasure to see you again.
Your application is of course, accepted.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:18:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Classic. An attempt to justify the existence of evil is to say that God is testing us in some way.
This is why your Faith contradicts itself. It says: God is all-knowing. It knows everything, future and past.The omniscient monotheistic God. Such a God exists outside of time, and can see all future and past events as if they've all already happened. This chain of events has all been created by God, from beginning to end. As a result of all this, God clearly knows what tests we will pass and fail. God knows if we are largely moral or largely immoral. It knows why we transgress, and it knows in detail every reason and factor that ultimately causes us to go wrong.
God therefore never needs to test anyone. God knows, even without doing a test, what the results of the test will be. As it is clear that suffering exist and moral dilemmas abound, we know that either God is evil or doesn't exist. We certainly know that evil, confusion, suffering and anything else is not a "test" from God.
That God doesn't need any test is quite obvious. God needs nothing.
Yet, He gave us free will, and we all have the right to commit errors and choose. He already knows how it will all end, but He still leaves us the space we need to decide for ourselves and, eventually, walk the path He knows we will walk. It is a proof of his love for us.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Quaesitoris |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 06:00:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Subject 003IX
As CEO of Project 003 and the leader of the Blood Void Sect of the Amarr Faith, I hereby request a single representative seat, but not for me. I myself am not interested in scholarly pursuit. That said, my sect could benefit from such knowledge as will be presented. As such, I request a seat for my lead researcher, Lady Nikilaiki Ruutarhara.
For obvious reasons, I would also request her not be granted speaking rights. She may be brilliant, but her rather... unorthodox way of thinking, let alone speaking, would be far too disruptive.
Lady Indira Karris
Matron, House Karris-in-Exile
Blood Void Sect
Your application is denied.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 09:05:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Sepherim
It is a proof of his love for us.
What you name as "love" I'll call "God's divine indifference." Love, to me has a different connotation.
You don't sit and watch those you love to suffer. You don't sit and watch those you love to fall in misery. You don't sit and watch those you claim to love to be diseased and poor.
Free will you speak?
If God was all-powerful and all-loving, with free will yet perfectly good, God would create life with similar properties: with free will and perfectly good.
Meaning that there would be no human-created evil, and no need for evil, suffering or death in the Universe in any way. However, there is evil and death in very great quantities, therefore it holds that if the situation was created by a god, rather than natural forces, then such a god is not omnipotent and benevolent. Given that such a god exists, it must be malevolent: An evil god, who created life for the sole purpose of watching life suffer.
As it's well known inside our faith:
" A god could not have created a more vicious cycle if it tried: Tying the very existence of life with the necessary killing of other life is the work of an evil genius, not of an all-powerful and all-loving god "
Leave this superstition behind Scholar.
Trust Power alone.
Trust the Universe and it's laws. Let the word of Jamyl suffice. None are need above her.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Zebadia Chan
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Posted - 2009.12.18 16:12:00 -
[152]
sounds interesting, are Khanid allowed to attend? |
Rhedyn
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:03:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
If God was all-powerful and all-loving, with free will yet perfectly good, God would create life with similar properties: with free will and perfectly good.
Meaning that there would be no human-created evil, and no need for evil, suffering or death in the Universe in any way. However, there is evil and death in very great quantities, therefore it holds that if the situation was created by a god, rather than natural forces, then such a god is not omnipotent and benevolent. Given that such a god exists, it must be malevolent: An evil god, who created life for the sole purpose of watching life suffer.
As it's well known inside our faith:
" A god could not have created a more vicious cycle if it tried: Tying the very existence of life with the necessary killing of other life is the work of an evil genius, not of an all-powerful and all-loving god "
Leave this superstition behind Scholar.
Trust Power alone.
Trust the Universe and it's laws. Let the word of Jamyl suffice. None are need above her.
Just to get the story straight, your cult has uncovered ancient writings and prophecies, and in fact existed for many hundreds or thousands of years, all in worship and submission to someone who only recently came into existance, while at the same time declaring the beliefs of the one your adoration is directed to (IE: our Lord) are completely false and a big conspiracy theory.
No offense, but that's insane.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:39:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Zebadia Chan
sounds interesting, are Khanid allowed to attend?
Certainly.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:32:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Rhedyn
worship and submission to someone who only recently came into existance,
Shows what you know...
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rhedyn
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:00:00 -
[156]
Then please, enlighten us. It's hard to gain any sort of good reputation by keeping secrets and some snooty attitude, especially when your opening post was complaining about how the current Empire and system is keeping people ignorant.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:19:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Rhedyn
gain any sort of reputation...
2 posts here. Only here your entire career. And such a crass debut.
Perhaps you should worry about your own reputation. Mine, I started to think about 5 years ago.
This place is for those with genuine interest. My part here is accept or deny applications to the conference.
Now if you excuse me, I'm done with you.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rhedyn
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:36:00 -
[158]
I'm a new capsuleer, it does occasionally happen. And this post caught me eye among all the other chest thumping and declarations and nonsense about.
You said you were trying to fight against the establishment keeping everyone in ignorance, then please, share your enlightenment. It is, after all, a bit silly to only preach to those who already believe.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:46:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Rhedyn
I'm a new capsuleer, it does occasionally happen. And this post caught me eye among all the other chest thumping and declarations and nonsense about.
Now we start to talk.
Originally by: Rhedyn
You said you were trying to fight against the establishment keeping everyone in ignorance, then please, share your enlightenment.
That's what the conference will be doing. If you have genuine interest, Apply and learn to be polite.
Will separate YOUfrom Them. Remember my advice.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.12.19 03:51:00 -
[160]
Sill, the schizophrenic buffoon tries using his aliases to gag truth - knowledge passed on to us by our ancestors from a time longe before new eden had been discovered. Callig it unrelated to New Eden would be like calling the whole Amarr faith "unrelated to new eden", as it stems from times even thousands of years before the ancient legend used as an analogy for Mrs buffoon.
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Subject 003IX
Amarr
Project 003
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Posted - 2009.12.19 06:59:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Your application is denied.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Very well. May the Void keep and take you.
Lady Indira Karris
Matron, House Karris-in-Exile
Blood Void Sect
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.19 12:51:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Subject 003IX
May the Void keep and take you.
ôIn the cave of intuitive wisdom I sit, absorbed in the silent trance of the Primal Void. I have obtained my seat in the heavens.ö
Bloodveil Apocrypha
Book of Languinity: Wherein the book of life is revealed and lost again. Chapter III, 2v 1
So mote it be.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.19 22:25:00 -
[163]
Greetings
Information about the event.
After contacting the a few of the participants and speakers we have come to decide that the best date to gather is after the coming holidays. Reason is many of us starts to go planet side from today on and will just be resuming our space activities afterwards.
I will give you a new update but if you have any objection to the established time-line here presented, feel free to let me know.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rex Luciferi
Crimson Shadow's
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Posted - 2009.12.29 23:25:00 -
[164]
Excellent! I shall endeavour to be in attendance. My regards, lady Neferis.
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
Scorpion Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.29 23:36:00 -
[165]
I request attendance to this meeting as well, if I am acceptable.
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Scorpion Cartel Website |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.30 00:41:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Rex Luciferi
Excellent! I shall endeavour to be in attendance. My regards, lady Neferis.
My regards and welcome Mr Luciferi.
And at Lucious, of course your application is accepted.
Please keep this thread for future references about the exact date. Will come possibily after the Gladiatorium games.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
United Star Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:03:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Zendoren on 31/12/2009 06:04:17
I am reminded of an old text from Earth I once ran across in my travels, I shall quote you an excerpt; it is rather long so please bare with me:
Quote:
Behold! human beings living in an underground den, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets.
And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real existence, he has a clearer vision,, what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing And when to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them, will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?
And is there anything surprising in one who passes from divine contemplations to the evil state of man, when they returned to the den they would see much worse than those who had never left it. himself in a ridiculous manner; if, while his eyes are blinking and before he has become accustomed to the surrounding darkness, he is compelled to fight in courts of law, or in other places, about the images or the shadows of images of justice, and is endeavoring to meet the conceptions of those who have never yet seen absolute justice?
I hope that this gives some perspective on your crusaide agenst Ignorance.
Being Gallente, I understand my voice is not heard as loud as other; however, I strive to be as lucid as possible!
Thanks,
Zen
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.31 07:47:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Zendoren
I hope that this gives some perspective on your crusade against Ignorance.
Being Gallente, I understand my voice is not heard as loud as other; however, I strive to be as lucid as possible!
The text speaks the truth Zendoren.
A beautiful contribution to the theme here presented.
Continue to walk the path of knowledge, and you shall never regret.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
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Cora Xun
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.04 01:37:00 -
[169]
Hail Mistress Neferis, harbinger of the Truth of Sarum,
I am the Lady Cora Xun, Viceroy of the Xun Armaments Corporation and daughter of the divinity known as the Xun Ascendancy. It is in the capacity of the latter that I have been charged with the honor of contacting you as friend and emissary.
As a learned student of the one true path, you may already know our name as an ancient and illustrious House among the first of the enlightened in the early days of revelation. As such, it was the fate of our intrepid ancestors to be among the first reviled, persecuted and punished for our beliefs by the homogenized masses of the misguided elite whom over the course of a millennium have brought the greatest of Empires to the brink of ruin. During the final days of ôthe great purge,ö under charge of heresy, the last among our once mighty house were excommunicated, stripped of their titles and holdings and banished into exile. Such is the fate of those born to greatness that must bear the burden of the inconvenient truth. It is a burden the descendants of the Ascendancy in hiding have bared gladly over generations as keepers of the Sani Sabik faith.
When word finally reached us that not only had our brethren survived but thrived over the centuries, rising to attain the Holy Throne of the Amarr, we rejoiced! If what we have come to hear is indeed true, it is a very exciting time for all of our faith. Long has our House remained separate from our people, and parched are our tongues for the Truth of Sarum.
In the capacity of the emissary of the Ascendancy, I am instructed to inform you that our House awaits in the shadows, ready, willing and able to do our part to avenge the injustices of the past in all effort to regain our stolen birthright and succeed where millenarian ago we all failed.
In the capacity of a daughter of divinity, I am instructed to seek admittance to your symposium for myself and two of my siblings so that we may reconnect with our long lost sisters and brothers, share the privilege of meeting the one our elders herald as ôthe harbinger of the Truthö and drink from the fountain of knowledge that is your every breath.
And finally, in the capacity of myself, the future Matron of our illustrious House, I yearn to take this pilgrimage to you so that I might reconsecrate my faith. I hunger to drink deeply from your lips, my mistress of hope. Born Caldari, but of Amarrian blood and tradition, the duty falls to me now to reconcile my two halves and learn the truth of my heritage in full measure so that I may be deemed worthy of succession when my time comes. Destiny has forced us from our holdings, but only faith will allow us our second coming. You are my sirenàsmash me upon your rocks and rapture my cold, pragmatic soul with the bliss of enlightenment to the greatness of my blood. I await your reply.
Lady Cora Xun, of the Xun Ascendancy
"Hail to our success! Hail the State! Glory to the Kingdom!" |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.04 10:10:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Cora Xun
Hail Mistress Neferis, harbinger of the Truth of Sarum,
I am the Lady Cora Xun, Viceroy of the Xun Armaments Corporation and daughter of the divinity known as the Xun Ascendancy. It is in the capacity of the latter that I have been charged with the honor of contacting you as friend and emissary.
Greetings Lady Cora Xun.
Let's hear what you have to say.
Originally by: Cora Xun
During the final days of ôthe great purge,ö under charge of heresy, the last among our once mighty house were excommunicated, stripped of their titles and holdings and banished into exile. Such is the fate of those born to greatness that must bear the burden of the inconvenient truth. It is a burden the descendants of the Ascendancy in hiding have bared gladly over generations as keepers of the Sani Sabik faith.
Many of our Noblest houses were set to exile during the rules of the weak Emperors and the Throneless times where Amarr sank into darkness.
Our brightest minds and holders, facing the inevitable fall of the Empire, refused to comply and were as such, sent to oblivion under the charges of heresy and screams of treason. I know well such times.
Originally by: Cora Xun
Long has our House remained separate from our people, and parched are our tongues for the Truth of Sarum.
Jamyl's return brings us the truth and hope for a full restoration of what Amarr and Empire needs to be. But her return alone is not enough. The Empire is corrupted and much blood needs to be spilt to wash the golden walls with the crimson essence of life and finally purge the corruption that now infests our Nation. The False God still tries to find his place into the Golden Era.
This shall not happen.
Originally by: Cora Xun
I hunger to drink deeply from your lips
Best you erase this sentence, believe me.
Originally by: Cora Xun
Born Caldari, but of Amarrian blood and tradition, the duty falls to me now to reconcile my two halves and learn the truth of my heritage in full measure so that I may be deemed worthy of succession when my time comes. Destiny has forced us from our holdings, but only faith will allow us our second coming. You are my sirenàsmash me upon your rocks and rapture my cold, pragmatic soul with the bliss of enlightenment to the greatness of my blood. I await your reply.
Although I must admit being uncomfortable recognising that a noble house of Amarr is tainted by mixed bloodlines and have a caldari as its only ascendant now, if it's the right of blood you invoke and can attest your heritage I will accept your words in name of such house.
Your attendance to the event is of course accepted.
I'm willing to meet you personally to hear more about your house and future plans in the name of Sarum.
I'm currently finishing to compile the Codex Expurgatorius, a holy book that will contain the name of all heretics and adorers of the thoneless false God. When this is done, I will rise my eyes to the heavens and whisper again bringing the thousand spaceships to war as I'm known to do.
Empire shall be purged in the name of Destiny.
For the Golden Era to arrive, we need to give Jamyl her house clean.
Stay focused. Times shall come for all true followers of Sarum to act.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Cora Xun
Caldari
Xun Armaments Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.05 03:02:00 -
[171]
Hail once again, my Siren, Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign of the Sani Sabik!
Originally by: Revan Neferis
No, I haven't heard anything about your house. Nothing that strikes me or no impressive data on the Concord or Empire's listings. But Let's hear what you have to say.
This can come as no surprise. Those usurpers of the Empire have worked tirelessly to marginalize or destroy any last vestiges of the old rolls, records and patents of nobility in an effort to prevent this very instance of happenstance, a return to rightful claim. Heretics of the worst kind are to be neutered and erased, not empowered and remembered.
It would seem that such has been your lot to suffer as well my Mistress. Try as we might with all resources available, we can not find record of you or your legendary exploits prior to little over a year ago. Any rumor beyond that can be traced no further than perhaps 5 years at best. We must now rely upon private information networks, proclamations, instincts and actions most recent to shore up these unfortunate deletions. We accept this. It is of course beyond refute that most recently you have stormed the walls of ignorance and forced the Empire at large to herald your name with fear or reverence, it is in that capacity we have stepped from the shadows at long last to greet you, sister of action. I will not bore you by speaking further on the injustices against my House. Fortune favors victory. All men are most certainly not created equal, the weak are meant to serve and the universe is unfair. This is the essence of our faith as I have come to understand it in my limited capacity. So be it.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
The Empire is corrupted and much blood needs to be spilt to wash the golden walls with the crimson essence of life and finally purge the corruption that now infests our Nation...
Blessed be the song of my most Illustrious Siren!
Originally by: Cora Xun
I hunger to drink deeply from your lips
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Best you erase this sentence, believe me.
I will not. Approach such innuendo from whatever facet that would please my Mistress, but it stands true and firm. I will not bridal the truth of my passion or ambition. To do so would be heresy of the worst kind.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Although I must admit being uncomfortable recognizing that a house of Amarr is tainted by mixed bloodlines and have a caldari as its only ascendant now...
A misunderstanding, my Mistress. I am only Caldari by birth, not by blood. My lineage is strong. My father is Pure blood Amarr and my mother, Ni Kunni.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
The communications I have received from a member of your house can be taken as laughable.
Although my Aunt forbids me to have anything more to do with you after this regrettable misunderstanding, she will not deny me my desire to heed my Siren's call and be near you. We can discuss this topic in privacy...
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I'm not one to be taken lightly and I don't respect words alone.
This we know. You are Revan Nefaris, scourge of the Empire, shaker of worlds and voice of our faith. I too respect action. It is why I adore you so..
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Your attendance to the event is of course accepted.
I am honored only beyond my ability to tell.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I'm willing to meet you personally...
Nothing could give me greater pleasure...I await with bated breath. I am yours.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
the Codex Expurgatorius, a holy book containing the names of all heretics & adorers of the false God. When this is done, I will rise my eyes to the heavens and whisper again bringing thousands of ships to war as I'm known to do.
Rapture! I would work with you to see that this war is fueled by faith and not by the weight of your purse, my mistress.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Stay focused. Times shall come for all true followers of Sarum to act.
We are ready for anything that leads to our reclaiming!
"Hail to our success! Hail the State! Glory to the Kingdom!" |
Kochiriwa
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.05 04:37:00 -
[172]
"Sani Sabik..." Kochiriwa knew he'd seen that name somewhere before, as he skimmed over the Sovereign's proclamation. Punching it into the GalNet, he was presented with a substantial list of articles referencing the religion, using the term lightly, of Sani Sabik.
"Bloodfriends," he said to himself, as though he were tasting the word. The very thought disgusted him. Power over all at the expense of everyone else. Disgusting. Following the links in the articles, he quickly arrived at an article that described the Blood Raiders!
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I find it deeply disturbing that this self-professed 'Sovereign' practices a faith that can be closely linked to that practiced by the Blood Raiders, a notorious group of pirates who operate within Amarrian space.
Whilst many Amarrian practices are reprehensible, the practice of slavery for example, I find this even more distasteful. I can only hope that the Empress herself sees what... monsters she lets into her court.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 04:42:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 05/01/2010 04:43:31
Originally by: Kochiriwa
Blood Raiders
Get back 6 years ago and try again, ignorant.
Omir Sarikusa is shaking in his tomb now.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.05 10:06:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Kochiriwa
I find it deeply disturbing that this self-professed 'Sovereign' practices a faith that can be closely linked to that practiced by the Blood Raiders, a notorious group of pirates who operate within Amarrian space.
Whilst many Amarrian practices are reprehensible, the practice of slavery for example, I find this even more distasteful. I can only hope that the Empress herself sees what... monsters she lets into her court.
Rest assured that the Empress has no part in this nonsense. The execution of Chamberlain Karsoth, another Sani Sabik, should have sent a clear signal regarding the cult. This woman here likes to pretend a lot of things, which doesn't mean it's the truth. Also, just because something is not refuted by the authorities (and they really have more important business to attend to than reading all the lunatic ramblings) it doesn't mean it's authorized by the authorities.
I could as well announce that I am now Viceroy of Khanid, bombed the heck out of this womans fantasy estates and hold twenty Republic Ministers hostage. She's like the rainbow press of the Empire.
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Cora Xun
Caldari
Xun Armaments Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.05 11:35:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Cora Xun on 05/01/2010 11:45:43
Originally by: Tharrn
Rest assured that the Empress has no part in this nonsense. The execution of Chamberlain Karsoth, another Sani Sabik, should have sent a clear signal regarding the cult. This woman here likes to pretend a lot of things, which doesn't mean it's the truth.
I hope that my Mistress will excuse my interjection, but In her defense and the defense of Sani Sabik everywhere, it is you who is the pretender in this instance Admiral. Chamberlain Karsoth was a repulsive, bloated parasite. He was a clod and imbecile, and he was NO Sani Sabik. Chamberlain Karsoth was in fact an atheist who believed in little more than eating 5 meals a day and how best to defile scores of underage children. The only association this waste of flesh held with any of the Sani Sabik, was while cavorting with the equally abhorred Blood Raiders, using them shamelessly for their women and liquor.
If you have served to prove anything with this statement, it may only be that the Empress Jamyl might very well be Sani Sabik and chose to make a statement to any and all that Chamberlain Karsoth was indeed NOT a Sani Sabik by ending his failed and useless life before revealing her truth to all. All paths must be cleared before traveled Admiral and no institution likes bad or slanderous press; we all have an image to protect, yes? Chamberlain Karsoth was NOT Sani Sabik. However, if speaking upon the matter of priesthood and under aged children excites you, you might try looking closer to home. You see, I have heard things...
The Lady Cora Xun,
Viceroy of the Xun Armaments Corporation, Daughter of the Xun Ascendancy
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 11:45:00 -
[176]
Look it's Thaarn! The Vermin who self-proclaimed to biomass if Sarum didn't manage the succession trials and now claims to speak the Empress' will!!!
Ok old vermin, here you go * tosses a coin his way * for you, to start a business with puppeteers and such. I understand that you must, after all those years, try to have a future, make yourself a name and such after all.
Meanhwile you can continue trying to be heard here by crawling on my shadows for a bit. But try something more interesting next time, to say that you speak for Jamyl is kind of * showing your mental instability *.
Sorry to disappoint you but you don't speak for her. Only voice you have is of drunken old man that couldn't manage to be anything else than number batch God slave zero zero something, with usual crawling other people's IGS threads ( because you're unable to do anything your own of interest ) who come and goes and nobody even remember.
My last act of generosity to you, besides the coin I've tossed, is to give you the bless of my reply, so people won't think you have been truly ignored yeah? Even I have a heart when it suits me.
But don't abuse. If you want to knee and follow me and my events and threads and live on my shadow, understand that it's not always that I'll have the time to grant you a moment of my attention. But I'll try very hard.
Now go little vermin and use the coin well. With lucky, Simin Jester will give you an audience and you will change your stars!
Or of course, you can still Biomass in name of the declaration you made for your unshakable honour to Jamyl 
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 11:51:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 05/01/2010 11:55:03
Originally by: Cora Xun
In defense of her and Sani Sabik everywhere, it is you who is the pretender in this instance Admiral. Chamberlain Karsoth was a repulsive, bloated parasite. He was a clod and imbecile, and he was NO Sani Sabik. Chamberlain Karsoth was in fact an atheist who believed in little more than eating 5 meals a day and how best to defile scores of underage children. The only association this waste of flesh held with any of the Sani Sabik, was only while cavorting with the equally abhorred Blood Raiders, using them shamelessly for their women and free liquor.
If you have served to prove anything with this statement, it may only be that the Empress Jamyl may very well be Sani Sabik and ordained to make a statement to any and all that Chamberlain Karsoth was indeed NOT a Sani Sabik by ending his failed and useless life, before she herself unveils her truth to all. All paths must be cleared before traveled Admiral and no institution likes bad or slanderous press. Chamberlain Karsoth was NOT Sani Sabik. However, if speaking upon the matter of priesthood and under aged children amuses you, you might try looking closer to home. You see, I have heard things...
Thaarn is a disgraceful vermin who accomplished nothing in his life and shows ignorance towards pretty much everything that requires more than an " Amarr victor" argument.
Don't waste your time with the kind. Just for amusement of course, but even that is hard because with such poor rhetoric he can hardly amuse someone of higher class.
We Sani Sabik are holders of power, money and influence. We are elegant, we praise class and style and knowledge.
We have one of our own occupying the throne now.
There is nothing they can do to hide this fact, so they try desperately to hide the facts.
Let the vermin and ants crawl and delight in their reign of ignorance. There is nothing else left for them.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:15:00 -
[178]
If you say so. In contrast to you I don't actually care about the public opinion about me. The people that matter know my achievements and know that they have been more than buying friendship, swords and love.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:23:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Tharrn
love.
Another coin? * tosses the next *
You are abusing my generosity slave zero zero something branded CVA.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Cora Xun
Caldari
Xun Armaments Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:32:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Cora Xun on 05/01/2010 12:33:01
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Don't waste your time with the kind. Just for amusement of course...
*Cora's dark, supple lips twist into the slightest of smirks as she relents with a shallow bow* As you say, Mistress...
Originally by: Revan Neferis
We Sani Sabik are holders of power, money and influence. We are elegant, we praise class and style and knowledge.
You are a paragon of all these things and much more. Birthed in a meritocracy, I have become an expert at judging such things. It is why I must heed your call, my dark Siren...
The Lady Cora Xun,
Viceroy of the Xun Armaments Corporation, Daughter of the Xun Ascendancy
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Kochiriwa
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.05 13:10:00 -
[181]
So you cling to the old adage 'Cut off the head of the snake, and the body shall die'? I believe that the Blood Raiders still operate in Amarr space, do they not? I'm sure they still adhere to the tenets of their 'faith' as well.
It is widely publicized that Sani Sabik cults use blood to varying degrees in their rituals. Do you not follow this 'tradition'? You may scrabble for what power you can gain, but it does not bely the fact you are a monster. An educated monster, perhaps, but a monster nonetheless.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 13:24:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Kochiriwa
I believe that the Blood Raiders still operate in Amarr space, do they not?
If you find Omir let him know. Maybe he is compelled to get back after all, I need a good challenge.
Now try again.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Rhedyn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.05 15:55:00 -
[183]
So, if you worship Jamyl, and everything in your religion revolves around her (which I've still not received an explanation on how a religion centuries or millenia old can be centered on a contemporary personality), what happens when she dies?
Another question, Jamyl says she believes in the Lord, and makes every appearance as if she is a devote worshiper, yet, you claim she is Sani Sabik, a cult where-in she would worship herself (or simply lead?), though if such was the case it would also make her a liar, as she professes to followthe Lord, which you have stated quite clearly the Sani Sabik (or at least your version of the cult) doesn't believe in. So is Jamyl then a liar?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:17:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Rhedyn
So, if you worship Jamyl
I don't worship anything. It's against my Faith.
Jamyl is the Empress of our prophesies and she has taken the throne by the Right of Might the main tenant of my religion, and therefore I recognise her as a leader in her position.
For the rest, correct your views and rephrase your entire argument based on the correction above and bring it back with accurate facts because it's interesting and I'll answer your questions with pleasure.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Rhedyn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:39:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I don't worship anything. It's against my Faith.
Jamyl is the Empress of our prophesies and she has taken the throne by the Right of Might the main tenant of my religion, and therefore I recognise her as a leader in her position.
So, it isn't specifically the Empress that you follow, but whoever is currently the most powerful, which right now happens to be Jamyl via her showing of strength upon returning to the Empire?
As for the rest, if The Empress follows the Lord, why do you disregard this belief of hers as fantasy or delusion, unless you think that is all just a facade?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:55:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Rhedyn
So, it isn't specifically the Empress that you follow, but whoever is currently the most powerful, which right now happens to be Jamyl via her showing of strength upon returning to the Empire?
A few years ago Jamyl Sarum entered the halls of Dark Seraph where we members pledged an oath to her alone. The nature of this Oath was to accept her as a leader without hesitation, as long as power and might was of her.
This Oath stands.
I respect and follow Power alone and as long as she represents it, she will have my allegiance.
I care not for the throne itself. It's not the Title of Emperor, history teaches us that Emperors as Heideram and Dorian have ruined the Empire and led it to the Dark Ages.
I respect the Power of individuals alone. And Jamyl is a power I recognise.
Originally by: Rhedyn
As for the rest, if The Empress follows the Lord, why do you disregard this belief of hers as fantasy or delusion, unless you think that is all just a facade?
Lady Jamyl will draw power from whatever source it interests her, as long as Power is expressed in it.
If it's a Lord or a God or a Sani Sabik Ritual or some Jove technology that she might have encountered, as long as it works for her and she yields the capacity to obtain and retain power with it, that's what it matters.
But the true secret only her can tell. What she tells the populace is hardly something that can be considered as the true source of her powers. I see it as a political move to retain certain stability meanwhile it's convenient to her.
Lady Jamyl is not only a brilliant military mind but also exceeds in Political manoeuvrings.
Milk to babies, strong meat to wise man.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Rhedyn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:35:00 -
[187]
Thank you, this explains a lot.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
A few years ago Jamyl Sarum entered the halls of Dark Seraph where we members pledged an oath to her alone. The nature of this Oath was to accept her as a leader without hesitation, as long as power and might was of her.
Didn't her defeat at the trials (and death or it's fabrication), end the oath? Or did her re-appearance re-instate the oath?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:40:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Rhedyn
Thank you, this explains a lot.
You are welcome
Originally by: Rhedyn
Didn't her defeat at the trials (and death or it's fabrication), end the oath? Or did her re-appearance re-instate the oath?
If the Oath would have been done using blood rituals of communion, yes. Her death and my death would have unbounded us from such oath.
But it wasn't the case.
The Oath was professed by the power of word alone and bound to it. Only myself and Jamyl can utter the words to break the oath, may any of us so desire.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.06 04:10:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Cora Xun
I hunger to drink deeply from your lips
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Best you erase this sentence, believe me.
I will not. Approach such innuendo from whichever facet that would most please my Mistress, but it stands true and firm. I will not bridal the truth of my passion or ambition. To do so would be heresy of the worst kind.
You might consider yielding to my lover's polite request. Your needs "passions" and "ambitions" are hardly paramount in the circumstances. If your "inneundo" requires sating so desperately I might recommend any one of a dozen establishments on your nearest gallente pleasure hub that will make your eyes bulge with sensation. But cease this unseemly display of fawning mock admiration for an ambition you may never attain or hope to understand. Disappointment and bitterness are not fine spices to the experience you yearn for, and playing the cheap harlot to an audience of millions is not the height of erotic promise I assure you.
True Knowledge |
Cora Xun
Caldari
Xun Armaments Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.06 10:04:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might consider yielding to my lover's polite request. Your needs "passions" and "ambitions" are hardly paramount in the circumstances. If your "inneundo" requires sating so desperately I might recommend any one of a dozen establishments on your nearest gallente pleasure hub that will make your eyes bulge with sensation. But cease this unseemly display of fawning mock admiration for an ambition you may never attain or hope to understand. Disappointment and bitterness are not fine spices to the experience you yearn for, and playing the cheap harlot to an audience of millions is not the height of erotic promise I assure you.
Ah, and the jealous lover arrives at last, to beat her chest and mark her territory, how fabulous. And a Gallentean no less...My brother, Lord Marl would applaud Revan's taste. I however...Well, I suppose the fact that you are female and that you seem to clean up nicely balances that small blemish from the equation. I will endeavor to respond to your missive as politely as possible, out of reverence and respect for my Mistress...A luxury I was obviously not to be afforded by you.
If you are as astute Ms. Constantine as one worthy of Revan's affections must certainly be, you will note that the original statement containing said "inneundo" is most pointedly referring to her teachings and my desire to absorb them. I am often told that Gallenteans hold a deep appreciation for art and flair! I should think you to commend and appreciate my artful words that serve to deftly communicate so very much with so little effort, not find them distasteful. At any rate, you should come to expect no less from a woman who chooses to adorn herself in the most expensive of "wearable art", rather than simple clothing...
Further more, I state quite clearly that my Mistress is free to interpret such "inneundo" as she so pleases, implying that the choice is her's to make. The fact that I refused to retract my statement only serves to prove my sincerity...I for one am rather shocked that a lover of this magnificent woman would feel it possible to be disingenuous in an approach for her favor. Such a concept is completely alien to me. For shame.
Lastly, being that Revan is a paragon among the Sani Sabik, her suggestion for me to retract my statement may simply have been her own "inneundo", expressing a point of concern that I may not be strong enough to bear up under the burden of her passions, if that was indeed how she chose to interpret. I simply sought to reassure her that was of no concern...knowledge of your very existence, or the potential of facing your petty jealousies were the furthest things from my mind at the time, I assure you.
All of this being said, my Mistress, your lover is Sani Sabik...That above all things means seizing your destiny by the neck and making what you will of it. Some people are content with but one flavor of ice cream, where others wish to indulge in a myriad of delights. Hedonism can be transformative, I assure you. If it is only you that she wants for, so be it. If not, so be it. But what remains MOST certain, if public image concerns you, is that Revan Nefaris, scourge of the Empire, shaker of worlds and voice of our faith does not need a gallente tart to speak in her stead. I am of no threat to her even if I wished foolishly enough to be, and if she truly loves you...well, I am no threat to you as well.
So there we are. In the future, please do allow Revan the dignity of handling her own affairs in public...And please do respect your lover's appreciation for "elegance, class and style" by refraining from calling one of her devoted Disciples "a cheap harlot" in an effort to mask your own unnecessary insecurities. It is unbecoming of the one worthy of her bed. Rest assured, My Mistress has already communicated to me personally her hearts desire, and I know my place within it, and yours.
I pray that my Mistress finds this missive sufficiently tempered.
The Lady Cora Xun,
Viceroy of the Xun Armaments Corporation, Daughter of the Xun Ascendancy
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.06 10:52:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 06/01/2010 10:55:33
Originally by: Cora Xun
I assure you. If it is only you that she wants for, so be it.
It is and this is clear in a more a million ways.
Originally by: Cora Xun
But what remains MOST certain, if public image concerns you, is that Revan Nefaris, scourge of the Empire, shaker of worlds and voice of our faith does not need a gallente tart to speak in her stead.
In what concerns our love, Jade Constantine has voice to speak whatever she wants, when she wants, and how she wants on mine or her behalf. About such subject her voice is mine and my voice is hers.
You certainly know nothing of love to refer the attributes of jealousy or territory or whatever other subtle veiled offences you carefully placed within your message to reply to a simple observation she made which mirrored words spoken by me previously in a very subtle and polite way.
Furthermore, I'm not your mistress and you haven't earned the rights to call me as such. You are not my disciple either, as much as you aspire to be. But you are in the wrong track.
A true Sani Sabik knows the limits of the Universe. It knows it's most powerful forces because a true Sani Sanbik is able to identify it within themselves.
How dare you challenge the voice of my lover in such subject that she, as my chosen one becomes the absolute authority to profess?!
No, your missive is not sufficiently tempered. It's not artistic rhetoric blended with subtle insults which makes it so, it's the understanding that you completely disregarded and missed the point.
But the subject is exhausted from my side. This missive revels what I wanted to know.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sano Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 12:34:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
If the Oath would have been done using blood rituals of communion, yes. Her death and my death would have unbounded us from such oath.
But it wasn't the case.
The Oath was professed by the power of word alone and bound to it. Only myself and Jamyl can utter the words to break the oath, may any of us so desire.
Your use of the word any implies that you may unilaterally decide to withdraw from the terms of your claimed oath towards Jamyl.
Is that the case?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.06 13:08:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Your use of the word any implies that you may unilaterally decide to withdraw from the terms of your claimed oath towards Jamyl.
Is that the case?
Of course it is the case Mr Rodj and I don't imply it, I state so. Such is the nature of any bounds. If it's broken by one side, it ceases to exist.
The consequence of it depends of the nature of the oath. I've seen oaths been broken by penalty of one very soul or worse fates. But this is not the discussion here.
The words were spoken in a ritualistic manner so in same way it can be undone if following the same principles.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 14:12:00 -
[194]
It's just that for many of us, an oath is not really an oath if you can voluntarily pull out of it, but obviously you feel differently.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:09:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
It's just that for many of us, an oath is not really an oath if you can voluntarily pull out of it, but obviously you feel differently.
Perhaps another matter of faith.
You for example can make an oath between yourself and a non existent entity. It's a one sided oath between you and your imagination.
My faith doesn't recognise such things. But knowing of the Amarr orthodox faith myself, I can attest that you consider such oath unbreakable yes? You and your God.
To me that's slavery.
Let me tell you what an oath is to me. An oath, to my faith is a solemn pronouncement to affirm a statement or to pledge a person to some course of action, often involving a sacred being, object or word as symbol.
When we make an oath it is binding till the limits of the oath proposed; an oath is a dedication to the task (or person) and a contract between yourself, the deed and the part involved.
As long as the terms of the oath stands there is no reason as why it should be broken. You still know, and the universe still knows. It's not slavery it's free-will.
It's your choice to keep it or not, but it's still what it is.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:22:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Cora Xun
I am of no threat to her ... well, I am no threat to you as well.
*laughs* well really little chick. How could you be? Overlooking the wordy meanderings of your self-indulgent mono-flattery there is little enough substance in your nature to provide any actual threat to well ... anything really. Enjoy your life. But don't imagine you are taken seriously without accomplishment to match your airy boasts.
True Knowledge |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:26:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/01/2010 16:27:16
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Let me tell you what an oath is to me. An oath, to my faith is a solemn pronouncement to affirm a statement or to pledge a person to some course of action, often involving a sacred being, object or word as symbol.
You forgot to add "until I decide otherwise."
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:31:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 06/01/2010 16:31:40
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Until you decide otherwise.
But of course, who else takes charge over my own life other than myself? Your God?
It calls " I can , you can't "
I don't have a leach with an imaginary lunatic being holding at the other side and pulling the strings like you do Rodj.
Life without chains is a responsibility that few are ready to take. Not you, not in a million years. You are too weak for that.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Cora Xun
Caldari
Xun Armaments Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.07 10:57:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Cora Xun on 07/01/2010 11:02:56
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Cora Xun
I am of no threat to her ... well, I am no threat to you as well.
*laughs* well really little chick. How could you be? Overlooking the wordy meanderings of your self-indulgent mono-flattery there is little enough substance in your nature to provide any actual threat to well ... anything really. Enjoy your life. But don't imagine you are taken seriously without accomplishment to match your airy boasts.
Your ability to take statements completely out of their context is truly legendary. I applaud your creativity. Perhaps you do possess a sense of style after all. How chic...
On to the business at hand. It now appears that retractions, corrections and apologies are in order. Revan Neferis is NOT my Mistress; She is the Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign of the Bloodveil and is to be refered to proper as the Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign, or "Sovereign" by all of those that respect her.
I am NOT a Disciple of Revan Neferis; the path I walk is erroneous in her eyes and I have completely disregarded and missed the point of her teachings. The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign states most clearly that "A true Sani Sabik knows the limits of the Universe. It knows it's most powerful forces because a true Sani Sanbik is able to identify it within themselves." and that "The Sani Sabik Path is a self-developing path. It's an inner journey most of all , it's you challenging the Universe to make it's worst so you can overcome it."...To now, I have failed to reconcile these two important philosophies of her doctrine and thus to my regret, I am found to be unworthy of servitude.
The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign states clearly that I was out of line with my "subtley veiled offenses" in responding to Jade Constantine's "simple observation" that I am a cheap harlot, and for that I express my most sincere regret to the Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign and her uncontested beloved. The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign states clearly that "I certainly know nothing of love" and this is beyond denial, for my every choice in every regard, in every aspect dealing with her and her lover, previously unknown to me, has been completely reprehensible. She will never know the regret I hold for this. The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign goes on to say "Challenge the words of a mathematician when you become proficient in his teachings and better than him."...None are more able to unearth her unique view of love than her, thus I am unfit to challenge it; I must relent to my ignorance.
The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign expresses her righteous anger toward me for daring to "challenge the voice of my lover in such subject which she, as my chosen one, automatically becomes the absolute authority to profess?!"...I here by apologize for and retract any profession of love, affection or adoration insinuated or otherwise toward The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign and any affrontment it may have imposed upon her previously unknown to me lover and undisputed life partner, Jade Constantine.
Lastly, I acknowledge Jade Constantine's leet combat skills acquired over several years and relent that field to her as she makes it abundantly clear that my lack of combat experience proves beyond measure that I am devoid of any "substance" in New Eden and thus unfit at this time to serve The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign and her sect of the Sani Sabik faith as much as I have aspired to do so. As ordained by the Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign, I do apologize to Jade Constantine for my "wordy meanderings and self-indulgent mono-flattery", and any perceived "airy boasts" that I even to now I remain truly unaware of. I will continue to read The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign's protocols as instructed and try to unearth the wisdom within with all of my ability to do so. Thank you for this opportunity to make these amends.
The Lady Cora Xun,
Viceroy of the Xun Armaments Corporation, Daughter of the Xun Ascendancy
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.07 12:25:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Cora Xun
As ordained by the Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign, I do apologize to Jade Constantine for my "wordy meanderings and self-indulgent mono-flattery", and any perceived "airy boasts" that I even to now I remain truly unaware of. I will continue to read The Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign's protocols as instructed and try to unearth the wisdom within with all of my ability to do so. Thank you for this opportunity to make these amends.
Better, much better, now this is the way to go. I trust the protocols will enlighten your path even regarding the doubts you still carry as to why things must be as such. And the current political situation we are facing.
It's a dance with shadows, masks and liquorish diplomatic lips. A subtle reference that you, Caldari, have missed.
It's seduction of mind, giving and taking, such is the dance of power play and dancers must be nothing less than experts to not miss the music and fall in shame.
An opera nonetheless of magnificent impact where isk, cigars, the right word or the wrong word summons wars, love and hate in a heart beat.
Welcome to New Eden.
Enjoy the dance. It never stops.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.16 16:10:00 -
[201]
We may now proceed with this event. The preliminary date is set to happen at the Feb 5, Friday at 20:00 eve standard time.
For the sake of time, I'll also announce here that our Power Broker's bi-annual meeting will happen in a separated Hall right after the main conference. This time to be held in Sarum Prime.
The Rules are the same:
Who can attend?
The attendance is made up of Religious Authorities, Chancellors, Ministers, CEOs, Ambassadors, Diplomats of High Profile Alliances, High- Technology investors, Universal bankers, news media executives, and wealthy industrialists. The meetings are by "invitation only", and no "outsiders" in the news media will be allowed, except by special invitation.
All participants, their staff members and resort employees will wear photo identification tags with micro-chips. They will have separate colors to identify the wearer as a participant, staff, or employee. A computer chip "fingerprint" will assure the identity of the card's wearer.
Any intruders are to manhandled-cuffed, tortured, or if resisting or fleeing, shot.
Each Organization will receive shortly a number of seats. Feel free to nominate potential attendees for further approval or denial of entrance. The nomination is to be done privately, directly to Lady Revan Neferis.
What's the Minimum bid to participate at the business proposals and are we dealing with shares as well?
Answer: Minimum wallet requirement for entrance at the meeting this year is 15 Billion.
And yes, we will be dealing with share-market as well.
My alliance was not invited, can I still join ?
Answer: No. If you feel you're a pilot doing your own business and with the financial and political influence at level requested, contact me privately by eve-mail and I'll see your situation.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.16 20:18:00 -
[202]
Lady Revan Neferis,
I am interested in joining the meeting and would like to learn more about the Sani Sabik faith, My life has been a constant struggle learning the power with in myself. My fate and path has led me here and to you. My Master is dead but I would hope you allow me to attend as a free Minmatar.
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Magna Victrix
Amarr
The Mercy Seat
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Posted - 2010.01.16 20:49:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Magna Victrix on 16/01/2010 20:50:30
I also have reason to wish to attend the event in February, purely as an observer. I profess interest in history and wish to equip myself to better understand the rise of House Sarum, and this sect of Sani Sabik. I have fought for Sarum Holders and was once vassal. They know my loyalty. But I come into this with few other preconceptions.
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Lord Arshavir
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.17 00:02:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Cora Xun
I am of no threat to her ... well, I am no threat to you as well.
*laughs* well really little chick. How could you be? Overlooking the wordy meanderings of your self-indulgent mono-flattery there is little enough substance in your nature to provide any actual threat to well ... anything really. Enjoy your life. But don't imagine you are taken seriously without accomplishment to match your airy boasts.
I am drowning in the bare-faced irony of this statement.
_____________________________________________
Of Riches and Slaves - Adventures of an Amarrian Noble |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.17 02:21:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Cecilia Syal
Lady Revan Neferis,
I am interested in joining the meeting and would like to learn more about the Sani Sabik faith, My life has been a constant struggle learning the power with in myself. My fate and path has led me here and to you. My Master is dead but I would hope you allow me to attend as a free Minmatar.
If you seek knowledge with true intent, it's a sin to deny it.
Your application is accepted.
May the true faith of Sani Sabik be a beacon of light for you from now on.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Koronakesh
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.01.17 03:16:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Answer: Minimum wallet requirement for entrance at the meeting this year is 15 Billion.
For a clarification, is this to be the personal wallet of the individual representative, or the amount of ISK held by the organization which the person is representing?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:05:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Koronakesh
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Answer: Minimum wallet requirement for entrance at the meeting this year is 15 Billion.
For a clarification, is this to be the personal wallet of the individual representative, or the amount of ISK held by the organization which the person is representing?
This is the requirement for Individual wallet.
So, let's say, suppose that IT alliance for example gets 5 seats, IT alliance, as an organization will be allowed to bring 75 Billion to invest as an organization.
For further clarification just general, This is a requirement for the power broker meeting happening after the main event, not a requirement for the conference. I have placed both together here for sake of practicality of announcements but they are two different events.
Originally by: Magna Victrix
I also have reason to wish to attend the event in February, purely as an observer. I profess interest in history and wish to equip myself to better understand the rise of House Sarum, and this sect of Sani Sabik. I have fought for Sarum Holders and was once vassal. They know my loyalty. But I come into this with few other preconceptions.
Who are these Sarum Holders you profess to be have fought too? And few other preconceptions?
I find preconceptions abhorrent so your application lacks a bit appeal so far.
If you are interested to participate perhaps you would do well to try it again, in a better shape.
If not, consider the application denied at this point.
My regards
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Magna Victrix
Amarr
The Mercy Seat
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Posted - 2010.01.17 20:37:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Who are these Sarum Holders you profess to be have fought too? And few other preconceptions?
I find preconceptions abhorrent so your application lacks a bit appeal so far.
If you are interested to participate perhaps you would do well to try it again, in a better shape.
If not, consider the application denied at this point.
Somehow I'm not surprised. My intentions were purely out of a sense of academic curiosity but if you're going to qualify your offer of "enlightenment" and deny my own interest purely on my honesty then so be it. I state that I have preconceptions because I was raised under House Sarum as vassal under certain traditions. Anyone who has experienced has preconceptions, and any other one of these seekers will have preconceptions of their own coming into this.
As for my past loyalties, I will spare you the bore of a history lesson that would be more proper an answer to that and state that the house I once bore allegiance to was vassal to the Sarum since their being being forced into submission some time immemorial ago. I am no longer however a member of that house nor do I bear its name, so it is only an interesting footnote, nothing more.
If I am still so abhorrent, then deny me again. I merely wished to listen and know, but I am no tabula rasa. But neither do I think you are, informed as you are by your own faith and experience. The only creatures without preconceptions are those without minds or instinct, for even a babe will love their mother at first sight.
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Rebnok
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.17 20:51:00 -
[209]
SAY WUT??????????
The only thing im running is my mouth |
Countess Lamorei
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Posted - 2010.01.17 22:12:00 -
[210]
I wonder if I am too late to express my wish to attend.
One must always strive to broaden ones knowledge, and this seems like an ample time to do so.
Countess Lamorei
CEO of Construction Cabal
Head of the Ishuk-Raata Enforcer Academy
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hadar bluetalon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.17 22:51:00 -
[211]
Revan, being a fresh capsuleer i feel compelled to listen in to what has to be said, hopefully it will improve my judgment in the future |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.18 01:36:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 18/01/2010 01:36:36
Originally by: Magna Victrix
I am no tabula rasa.
You see, it's this kind of attitude that bothers me. When new capsuleers comes around boosting their egos without actual facts at space, it actually tells me that the Sani Sabik teachings will not resonate within them. Because we praise walking the path, not pretending.
As a new capsuleer I think that a dose of the same honesty to yourself and others would serve you better and open doors to you instead of closing them.
Many have tried to reach higher grounds by using the same attitude, none of them have reached much all.
My advice to you is, do at space, then conquer your right to come here with words.
Or simply, come with words in accordance to your actual status.
Originally by: Countess Lamorei
I wonder if I am too late to express my wish to attend.
One must always strive to broaden ones knowledge, and this seems like an ample time to do so.
Countess Lamorei
CEO of Construction Cabal
Head of the Ishuk-Raata Enforcer Academy
You are welcome to attend.
Originally by: hadar bluetalon
Revan, being a fresh capsuleer i feel compelled to listen in to what has to be said, hopefully it will improve my judgment in the future
Rightfully so.
Be welcomed.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Magna Victrix
Amarr
The Mercy Seat
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Posted - 2010.01.18 06:00:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
My advice to you is, do at space, then conquer your right to come here with words.
So be it.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:08:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Rebnok
SAY WUT??????????
Mmmm -AAA- making itself at home at IGS, not a bad thing per se mind you.
Tell you what, you bring that CVA sandwich you mentioned at the other thread, and I'll give you a Sani Sabik hat in exchange.
It's a good deal, ask your Corp mate Vlad about me and he will explain a thing or two. We can all profit from this excellent business.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
William Ytiri
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.18 18:00:00 -
[215]
Lady Neferis,
Conferences about an entity, righteous, cooperative and succesful as the Amarr Empire, are great tools to make all in New Eden realize who we are today and what we want to become tomorrow. Even when you are not an Amarr subject, like I am, it has great guiding value.
Lady Neferis, I praise your initiative. Much can be said about this subject and hopefully a lot of prominent Amarr pod-pilots shall, all graced by the Crown's will, take the opportunity you give them with this platform and contribute their views to be heared without prior judgement and be weighed by the Empires finest scholars and prominents.
I for one welcome a strong Empire and the trading opportunities it has brought with the trading agreement between our nations.
I humbly request attendance as a Caldari businessman and Provist,
William Ytiri
--- Working at Ytiri Retail? Check here. |
Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.01.18 20:19:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Jakiin on 18/01/2010 20:20:03
Previously I had no intention of appearing here, however as my CEO is a speaker I request permission to attend.
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Jakiin
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.19 00:40:00 -
[217]
Originally by: William Ytiri
Lady Neferis,
Conferences about an entity, righteous, cooperative and succesful as the Amarr Empire, are great tools to make all in New Eden realize who we are today and what we want to become tomorrow. Even when you are not an Amarr subject, like I am, it has great guiding value.
Lady Neferis, I praise your initiative. Much can be said about this subject and hopefully a lot of prominent Amarr pod-pilots shall, all graced by the Crown's will, take the opportunity you give them with this platform and contribute their views to be heared without prior judgement and be weighed by the Empires finest scholars and prominents.
I for one welcome a strong Empire and the trading opportunities it has brought with the trading agreement between our nations.
I humbly request attendance as a Caldari businessman and Provist,
William Ytiri
Mr Ytiri, thank you for your words.
I'm happy to accept your application. Welcome to the event and I hope you'll profit from the knowledge that will be shared.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
von Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:36:00 -
[218]
I agree with the previous, it is an action that aims to further personal growth regardless the outcome. None the less I have some concerns about the potential. Are there going to be room for debate and questions, or is it only to present the "revelation" of atheism beliefs and dogma by its own right?...
Many arguments on your presentation regarding the withholding of historic references are enticing, but I find myself with more question than answers. Are you presenting evidence to the fabrication of the faith? And if so, aren't you doing the same, disproving one to install another.
It narrows to the simplest.....
-Gods creation of the cosmos, with can only be understood by faith.
or
-The pursuits of knowledge to answer the previous.
Observing this, we may coincide that both endeavours are different path to the same answer, only achievable relative to ones ego.
Note that i mean no insult nor diminish your efforts, IÆm just expressing interest on this subject.
Alexander von Khan
Philosopher |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.19 14:59:00 -
[219]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 19/01/2010 15:04:09
Originally by: von Khan
Are there going to be room for debate and questions
Questions, yes after the Conference, 30 minutes to public questions moderated by our Priests. It's the usual etiquette model for such events.
Originally by: von Khan
IÆm just expressing interest on this subject.
To the rest of your post I'll answer this.
Faith per se is not positive or negative. It's an inherent trait of the human mind. What makes it negative is the use of faith to undermine human potential.
Faith has been used by Amarr Orthodoxy as an excuse to everything Ill and abhorrent in this Universe, including ignorance.
They use faith as an excuse to poverty. They use faith as an excuse to weakness. They use faith as a tool of emotional opportunity to avoid self-responsibility.
It's too easy to operate under faith. Who is too blame for anything if all is the
will of God after all?
Easy way out and easy pathetic excuse to every possible failure.
The concept goes to extreme. Even Eons of Amarr continuous Defeat marked forever in the books of time and history is excused by this absurd concept.
There is no critical thinking, no room for changes or improvements. All is "As God wills it".
Amarr under the influence of such malevolent Illusion has become a decrepit, poor and stagnated society.
This shall change under Sani Sabik rulership.
In one of my Sermons " Masters and Slaves " I've given an important insight into the matter.
An extract:
We recognize two kinds of people in the Universe: Masters and slaves.
Following the common Universal concept, one would assume that True Amarrians, as the most fit and developed race, of course, would all be Masters. This concept is a lie.
For us, it takes more than using a drug control method and chain a sub-developed race to be considered Masters.
What is a Master and a Slave?
Masters are those who realize and do their own True Will, who live as free individuals in the world, self-governed and self-sufficient. Slaves, on the other hand, are ignorant of their life, and they are part of mass consciousness, lost and bound to a senseless world of ignorance and delusion.
Masters are few, slaves are many.
In fact, slaves are victims who live at the mercy of the external, the people who live in the darkness, confusion and chaos of mass consciousness. They are part of the herd, dull and ignorant, followers, not leaders of self.
Masters are those who transcend mass consciousness, who take responsibility for their own life, and who live as autonomous individuals in both thought and action. Masters live by their own inward Light; they are self-reliant and non-attached; they do not depend on anyone.
Third Premise of the veil: "We want only those who can conquer themselves and their environment. It is one of our chief objects to abolish the very idea of dependence on others." Masters banish the restriction of dependence; they live as true individuals, self-reliant and free."
I think this resumes the philosophy that is endorsed here. The conference is another tool for Masters to continue to ascend and for slaves to finally break down their shackles of Ignorance.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
von Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.20 03:16:00 -
[220]
Thanks for the answer,
I don't wish to align myself with this line of thought, but the opportunity to hear comments on "delicate" subjects its appealing, compliments to you for organizing this event. I will be grateful if you will grant me admission.
I have to comment about your definition of a "Master", I might have misunderstood but it seems the title is self appointed, and the cannon to measures is based on selfishness. This path has but one outcome and that is wickedness..., because actions tend to be justified relative to ones ethics therefore whatever is best for the self is what is "right".
The virtues of men are of more consequence to society than their abilities, and for this reason, the heart should be cultivated with more assiduity than the head. Violence is shrouded in justifying myths that lend it moral legitimacy, and these myths for the most part kept people from recognizing the violence for what it was.
Therefore the things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity; and worship without sacrifice.
To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget these is the true path to enlightenment.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Alexander von Khan
Philosopher |
Lance Buckskin
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Posted - 2010.01.20 10:19:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rebnok
SAY WUT??????????
Mmmm -AAA- making itself at home at IGS, not a bad thing per se mind you.
Tell you what, you bring that CVA sandwich you mentioned at the other thread, and I'll give you a Sani Sabik hat in exchange.
It's a good deal, ask your Corp mate Vlad about me and he will explain a thing or two. We can all profit from this excellent business.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
I think we've found that reign of ignorance in the title.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:03:00 -
[222]
Originally by: von Khan
Thanks for the answer
You're welcome.
Originally by: von Khan
Compliments to you for organizing this event. I will be grateful if you will grant me admission.
As you have expressed that is not your interest to align yourself with the premises exposed, I believe that a seat would be better occupied by someone who would come with the intention of being enlighted.
As we have reserved number of seats, I'm afraid I'll have to deny your application until further notice. Meaning until I change my mind... or my mind changes me.
Well, the order of the factors doesn't change the product anyway.
Originally by: von Khan
I have to comment about your definition of a "Master", I might have misunderstood
Yes.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
von Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:44:00 -
[223]
Very well,
That was my first question, if there where room for questions and debate. I understand now, its directed to a more malleable audience.
Regarding another subject, im interested to know if you will be releasing any information after the event, especially any evidence or historic records of your conspiracy theory.
Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant.
Alexander von Khan
Philosopher |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:28:00 -
[224]
Originally by: von Khan
Conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory that you must ask Amarr. It's their problem to prove that God exists, not mine.
So far, there is no evidence of such fact. Lack of evidences equals to conspiracy theory. So I believe you are asking the wrong corner of the debate.
I'm very comfortable with my position on attesting that something that doesn't exist, well, doesn't exist.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:03:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Conspiracy theory that you must ask Amarr. It's their problem to prove that God exists, not mine.
So far, there is no evidence of such fact. Lack of evidences equals to conspiracy theory. So I believe you are asking the wrong corner of the debate.
I'm very comfortable with my position on attesting that something that doesn't exist, well, doesn't exist.
I for one don't need to see God to know that He exists.
When I'm planetside at night, I can't see the sun. And yet I know that it's still there.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:11:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/01/2010 20:15:22
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I for one don't need to see God to know that He exists.
When I'm planetside at night, I can't see the sun. And yet I know that it's still there.
Beautiful poetic argument Rodj, I grant you that. But not flawless.
You know the sun is there at night because you have seen it before, during the day, and science explains how the motions of the Universe operates.
If someone asks you, what is a sun? You can seek your answer through scientific data.
That's why you know it exists and you know it's there.
Very different from what you call God.
You want to believe it's there. It's the best you can do.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:20:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Jakiin on 20/01/2010 23:20:52
Proof is counterproductive to the point. If He wished then He could simply step down into the cluster, let all know of His glory in a single instant, and give the knowledge of how to turn every government into what He most willed within an hour. He's God, it wouldn't be that difficult. But that's not the point.
Consider faith. I can offer no proof of His existence to anyone, I only know it in my heart. I feel Him when I pray, and I know Him when I join with other faithful. It is this faith which He asks, and it is the spread of this faith that He tasked first the True Amarr and then by extension all Amarr with. For that is the point: The point to all creation is as a test and the Reclaiming is but one part of it.
Again, we cannot prove this, we can only know it. Because if we could prove it then there would be no test, there would be no difficulty in this task. So you may ask for proof but we can provide none, and you can point to this lack of proof and mock us for it, the truly faithful will not care. Because it's not you we're trying to prove ourselves to.
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Jakiin
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Buckskin
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rebnok
SAY WUT??????????
I think we've found that reign of ignorance in the title.
Point taken.
*winks*
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
von Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.21 01:56:00 -
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Oh my dear...
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which she does not at all believe exists.
To sustain the belief that there is no God, one has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge"
And to complement Rodj example, I believe in God as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
Alexander von Khan
Philosopher |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.21 01:58:00 -
[230]
Originally by: von Khan
I believe in God
Just reinforcing my point that you don't need to continue to pay homage to this conference. It's not for you.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
von Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.21 04:55:00 -
[231]
Very well my dear.. I leave with these words of wisdom:
"Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth."
Why don't you choose love?
Alexander von Khan
Philosopher |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.21 16:25:00 -
[232]
Originally by: von Khan
Very well my dear.. I leave with these words of wisdom:
"Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth."
Why don't you choose love?
One of my favourite sentences Mr Philosopher. Because it's very truth to who I am.
"Where love exists" (And I know where love exists) there is only peace, victory and beauty exulted.
But
"Where love does not" ... then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Isn't that quite self explanatory Mr?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Yves Lacroix
Gallente
Luxury Insider Haute Perfumerie
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:57:00 -
[233]
Mademoiselle
I'd like to ask you permission to offer you one of my services:
[ theatrically exaggerated spin removing the cover from his new outdoor ]
Ambient scenting
Seeking a way to improve the experience of your guests in check-in lines? Look no Morrrrrrrrrrrrrre! Turn to Lacroix for an ambient scenting solution!
My utilization and understanding of aromatherapy and performance is central in the choice of one particular arrrrrrrrroma, which will be helpful in shortening people's perception of time passed in a space and enhance their experience!
[ Opens his arms up to the heavens ]
Think Mademoiselle! Today Your signature scent greets your guests throughout the conference and showroom. Tomorrow, Your signature scent will greet capsuleers in all your facilities throughout the Univerrrrrrrse!
Merci for your time Mademoiselle Revan Neferis.
ôElegance is refusal.ö |
Stephanus Virginiaensis
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:12:00 -
[234]
Beware M. Lacroix, of business with the arch-heretic Neferis. The only scent you will have from her is that which rises from her many blasphemies and sacrileges: the stench of a corpse mouldering in its grave.
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Yves Lacroix
Gallente
Luxury Insider Haute Perfumerie
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:19:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Stephanus Virginiaensis
Beware M. Lacroix, of business with the arch-heretic Neferis. The only scent you will have from her is that which rises from her many blasphemies and sacrileges: the stench of a corpse mouldering in its grave.
Monsieur, I'm a businessman and a perfumier, not a politician.
This is Crystal Boulevard Monsieur and my shopping centre is open for all!
My only desire is to expand my business without politics. My fragrrrrrrrrrances are pure Art!
Merci Monsieur.
ôElegance is refusal.ö |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.21 23:01:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Yves Lacroix
Mademoiselle
I'd like to ask you permission to offer you one of my services:
[ theatrically exaggerated spin removing the cover from his new outdoor ]
Ambient scenting
Seeking a way to improve the experience of your guests in check-in lines? Look no Morrrrrrrrrrrrrre! Turn to Lacroix for an ambient scenting solution!
My utilization and understanding of aromatherapy and performance is central in the choice of one particular arrrrrrrrroma, which will be helpful in shortening people's perception of time passed in a space and enhance their experience!
[ Opens his arms up to the heavens ]
Think Mademoiselle! Today Your signature scent greets your guests throughout the conference and showroom. Tomorrow, Your signature scent will greet capsuleers in all your facilities throughout the Univerrrrrrrse!
Merci for your time Mademoiselle Revan Neferis.
Contact me privately so I can understand better what you have in mind.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Yves Lacroix
Gallente
Luxury Insider Haute Perfumerie
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Posted - 2010.01.22 15:57:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Contact me privately so I can understand better what you have in mind.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Fabulous Mademoiselle!
Merci Beaucoup.
ôElegance is refusal.ö |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.22 19:42:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Stephanus Virginiaensis
arch-heretic Neferis.
Delighted.
Just another day... for you and me, in paradise...
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Arch Heretic
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:24:00 -
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It has come to my attention that I have, in fact, been barred entry from the event on suspicion that I'm an old enemy in a new clone. Neferis has thus joined the ranks of several other prominent Amarrians who are under the impression that I'm an enemy of theirs, with the disagreement being they believe I'm a Fractioneer clone.
Now since it's been made evident that Neferis has a specific idea of who it is I'm a 'clone of' I simply cannot help but ask: Were they as charming then as I am now?
Smiles. Charmingly.
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Jakiin
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:04:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Yves Lacroix
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Contact me privately so I can understand better what you have in mind.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Fabulous Mademoiselle!
Merci Beaucoup.
I have replied to you at your business thread Mr Lacroix. Now I expect a full shipment of it to be ready before my conference.
Again contact me privately for details.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Enyalie
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.27 13:12:00 -
[241]
How is it; that as a Sebiestor, I could participate in the planning of Ashes to Ashes (Possibly spelt differently, with another dialect)
However not be allowed to speak, should I request to attend.
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