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Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:54:00 -
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I think it takes about 1 mth to train a freighter alt. It would be much better imo!
Also Dretzles offer is very nice, as well as the freighter rental one, i would go down those 2 roads imo.
I don't however get a single bad wipe from you, except the rep grinding one. and imo you deserve to get this one filled.
I don't like your plan tbh, but putting my money where my mouth is, ill take 25K shares of you.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:02:00 -
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I consider it a form of active marketing. Anyone can put up a forum post and bump it daily. But 90% of the time, the people seeing your post aren't in need of your service. If you catch someone in the middle of a transaction then the demand is present immediately.
In regards to marketing ones product it's all about price, location, convenience and quality. Being in the right place at the right time with a good atitude, slightly higher price but the convenience of being able to facilitate the request immediately meets all of the required standards.
The WTS forums to me is like a Taxi Cab Rank. All the Taxis congregate there, but they often get the least business, those roaming around the night clubs, pubs, airport are being in the right place at the right time.
I don't believe this level of marketing has been done in Eve before (or at least not advertised - with the exception of ISK Sellers I guess) and I was hoping I wouldn't need to get into it myself but thats my marketing strategy and I am almost certain it will produce solid results.
It surprises me to see the concern in regards to rate of return in here. We see heavily reputable operations such as EBANK paying no interest, apparently the most trusted operations in Eve such as BMBE with a Return on NAV of around 0.4% per month etc. These operations appear to be of dire performance simply because there is no marketing. TornSoul bumps the BMBE sell order thread once every few weeks. EBANK is obviously a different kettle of fish all together but part of it's failure was due to inaction, failed management, poor planning or following through and simple laziness.
I am telling you guys I can make this operation work. The largest risk is me scamming. The operation in the IPO is designed in a way where it's almost impossible to actually lose money. The only way it can fail:
- I Scam
OR all of the below
-Loss of funds in trade -Freighter is suicide bombed for it's 500m cargo -Freighter Pilot falls off the character selection page and CCP advise they have no logs -500m of cash on hand is accidentally donated to someone else or I try to double my money from a Jita local.
There is no single point of failure. The biggest risk beyond scam, is of a poorly performing business. And I can guarantee anyone out there that I can exceed a 0.4% return on investment. I already have from 2 missions 3 hours before this post
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:06:00 -
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Talking of demand and convenience. The big guy on the block is RF. They have 50+ pilots in all time zones and there are always people online.
I talk with experience here, as for over a year I have required at least 10B a week in minerals moved. I move the high ends (mega,zyd, nocs, isogen, mex) myself via freighter as it usually takes 1 trip but the trit/pye is usually 10 freighters a week minimum.
I want 24 hr trunaround and need large contracts. That is where the money is.
Also there are very established fuel delivery services, who have competitive rates, excellent service and good reputations.
You have decided to challenge a market that is saturated, has very large players and is very time consuming.
If you are bored running missions you will be 10X as bored run freight services.
I can't honestly see how you can make a business impact in this area.
Finally, don't purchase a character. Learn the skills its easy. Do some mining or missions while you wait so you can purchase the freighter out right. All you will need after that is about 1B for collateral on contracts.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel A fuel delivery service may get a better reception as these have a proven record of success in the right hands.
Katiana, what made you chose this rather unusual service vs a classic fuel delivery service?
Because it's unusual
I have been reading Market Discussions since just before I started playing and it felt like every new thread was about how someone was going to make a whole pile of money trading. There was nothing unique, nothing that screamed out as being different or stood out from the pack.
I started the mission running IPO for the same reason. No-one had done it. I almost done the research one as well but knew I was biting off way more than I could chew so pulled out of it.
My service in the first post allows for anything to be delivered but I want it catered towards those people getting that fancy new module wanting to play with it quickly or needing a new ship to get right back into battle. Fuel was actually a good point though as I dare say a lot would leave it to the last minute so I can definitely include it in my specialty spiel.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Katiana Swan I am telling you guys I can make this operation work.
Take a breather, start tallying the shares that are reserved already - the board is swarming with big-hearted investors ----------------------------------------
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Katiana Swan I am telling you guys I can make this operation work.
Take a breather, start tallying the shares that are reserved already - the board is swarming with big-hearted investors
Yup, I think this will fill.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Katiana Swan on 14/12/2009 19:20:49
Originally by: cosmoray The big guy on the block is RF.
That big guy started as one little guy
How many non-forum dwellers buy an item and immediately think to contact RedFrog?
Quote: I want 24 hr trunaround and need large contracts. That is where the money is.
If I am there when you are doing the deal, you get a 1-2 hour turnaround.
I don't expect many people to make large orders over forums with me, I expect people needing a quick fix to get it.
Realistically virtually every market in Eve is saturated. With the exception of trade, I reckon this area is one that I can make my own little well furnished nest in.
I hear and respect what you are saying. I also know I have to differentiate to avoid this saturation.
Quote: Finally, don't purchase a character. Learn the skills its easy. Do some mining or missions while you wait so you can purchase the freighter out right. All you will need after that is about 1B for collateral on contracts.
It may come to that depending on what happens here. I used my last respec on Int/Mem as I was going the lab and research route so it will be a painful road but I will head down it for now whilst waiting to see what the public decide.
I won't be able to respond for another 6 hours, family commitments Thanks for all your posts guys, will update reservations when I get back, I didn't expect so many posts
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I haven't actually stopped to check reservations, been typing for 3 hours straight I think
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Roguehalo
Caldari Kimoto Innovations
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:23:00 -
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I have to apologise if my rather discouraging comments led you to abandon your original research plan. My advice is to go back to it and revaluate it. The main reason being that researching bpos is a largely passive career option whereas your plan seems to be a very active career option with the accompanying high risk of burnout. There are very many bpos with a very low initial cost for which there is a high demand when researched.(ammo/missiles being an obvious example).
Whatever you decide I'll reserve 200m of shares. However you should note that this reservation is a vote of confidence in you rather than your business plan.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:29:00 -
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Well if Katiana is out, here's a crude rundown of what I can see of reservations:
Dretzle Omega 10k shares Magnu Stormhawk 10k shares Julius Riegel 2.5k shares Ji Sama 25k shares Cista2 50k shares Roguehalo 200 mil shares (well ok he prolly meant 10k shares)
So thatĘs like 107,500 of the 198,000 shares now accounted for.
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Crevek
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:40:00 -
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i'll take (1) batch of the 5000 shares please.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Katiana Swan
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel A fuel delivery service may get a better reception as these have a proven record of success in the right hands.
Katiana, what made you chose this rather unusual service vs a classic fuel delivery service?
Because it's unusual Fuel was actually a good point though as I dare say a lot would leave it to the last minute so I can definitely include it in my specialty spiel.
Good answer, and fair enough on the fuel side.
Can I reserve 10k shares (200m).
If you've respecced your main to intel/mem might be easier to roll a new alt on the same account (mapped for per/will) that's what gets you the 100% training time upto 1.6mil sp and reduces the skillplan. Use the optimize option on eve-mon to see what I mean. I'm fine with still investing if the fund stands at 4b regardless of whether you purchase a character or not, it's upto you. Might also be worth allocating some of your budget for advertising, ie forum sig or banners on eve related sites etc, unless you have the ability to produce one yourself.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Katiana Swan I am telling you guys I can make this operation work.
Take a breather, start tallying the shares that are reserved already - the board is swarming with big-hearted investors
If/when I invest, I invest in the character, not the business plan. I like Katiana and he's always seemed upright to me.
On which note, Katiana, I don't think you have to worry about people concerned that your scamming here. They just want your business to be successful and are trying to help with potential holes in your plan.
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Dezolf
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:51:00 -
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I would also like to reserve 2500 shares, if possible. |
Jadun
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:21:00 -
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yo ho just a question
i want you to buy me a paladin fraction fitted with a meta 14 large armor rep, + complex hardners total isk cost lets say 4.5 billion isk + then move it 14 jumps.
how much would i have to pay you ?
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Mikael Genexi
Gallente Product Number 3
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:03:00 -
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You did well by me the last time. I'll take 5000 shares in your new venture.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nouva MacGyver Katiana, Depending on the kind of freighter you're about to purchase, and if it interests you, I may be able to provide one for you at a weekly installment usage cost, after which the freighter must be returned when no longer required or within a maximum of 3 months. If the freighter is lost/blown up while in your possession you are to simply pay the difference of the remaining market value of that ship, which will be determined and set beforehand.
Hello Nouva, I have popped you an eve mail and am very interested to chat with you about your proposition.
Thanks, Katiana.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jadun yo ho just a question
i want you to buy me a paladin fraction fitted with a meta 14 large armor rep, + complex hardners total isk cost lets say 4.5 billion isk + then move it 14 jumps.
how much would i have to pay you ?
I would be willing to do this for a total of 70 million isk. It would be on the condition that you could accept separate transactions due to my funds on hand not being sufficient to cover the total. If any one item was at a price over the 500-700 I had on hand I would be unable to meet your requirements at this time.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Katiana Swan on 14/12/2009 23:59:37 Ok after careful consideration of the information provided by the public a few modifications will be made.
1) I will still purchase a pre-trained freighter character. I am attempting to get one at 1 billion isk now
2) Once I have spoken with Nouva MacGyver, pending a few bits of information it is highly likely that a freighter will be rented off her at least during the intial 2-3 months of the operation after which it can be determined if a corporation funded one can be justified (based on income generation etc)
Assuming the character can be purchased at 1 billion ISK and a deal can be sourced with Nouva, this brings the IPO funding required down to 2 billion isk thereby halving the investment whilst having the same business plan. The only difference will be an ongoing cost for rental of the freighter which is yet to be determined.
I think this is a far better option as I don't want to have to start a whole new character and wait a month to put my plan into action. This will depend on the above two factors. If both go to plan I will unfortunately need to cut out some of the newest reservations to get the total ISK down to 2 billion isk. Depending on operational costs of the freighter I may also drop the trade fund in half to allow for the ongoing rental costs.
Could reservations (at least to the tune of 1 billion isk) please begin depositing isk to Katiana Swan so the purchase of freighter pilot can be actioned. Once I have more information on the above 2 factors it will be filtered through to this thread.
Thank you all for your comments both critical and otherwise. Every post has been read carefully and I believe (and hope you do too) that this outcome is likely to be far more favourable at least until the business has been tried and tested to determine profitability.
Warm Regards, Katiana.
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Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.12.15 01:27:00 -
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who is sending and who got cut? it looks like you have 2.6B worth of reservations atm.
btw I am Ji Sama. Not making the reservation on my useless alt ;)
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.15 02:00:00 -
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per above a larger amount than 2b to start may be required however it's dependant on a couple of conditions. So i would say everyone send and newest reserves will have their cash refunded if not needed.
Really, all I need is 1 to 1.5b of funds sent right now to secure the character
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Crevek
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.15 02:07:00 -
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I sent my 100M for 5000 shares
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Dezolf
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.15 02:10:00 -
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50m sent for 2500 shares. |
Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.12.15 02:17:00 -
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Ji Sama have send 500M ISK for 25K shares to Katiana Swan
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.15 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 15/12/2009 02:20:38 200,000,000 (200 Mil) sent for my 10k shares.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Kimoto Innovations
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Posted - 2009.12.15 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Roguehalo on 15/12/2009 03:59:27
200m sent
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.12.15 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Katiana Swan So i would say everyone send and newest reserves will have their cash refunded if not needed.
I suggest, leave the bond at 3 or 4 bn - you will need more money to buy ships for As it is, you will have to make full trips with single ships because you can only afford to buy one at a time.
Sending 1 bn isk now. ----------------------------------------
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:30:00 -
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ISK Sent (200m)
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.15 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Katiana Swan on 15/12/2009 13:01:40 Hello All,
I have (appeared to) secure a character at 1.2 billion isk. I have also entered into an agreement with Nouva MacGyver to enter into a rental contract on a freighter. The rental price provided was more than fair and will allow me to drop the value of the offering.
As recommended by Cista2 above, I believe setting this offering to 3 billion isk will be suitable.
A vote has already been placed for 198,000 shares. I have voted against it so it should fail. A new vote will be put through for 148,000 shares.
This avoids any change to share price for new (and older MQP shareholders).
Now, when quitting out of MQP I made the foolish mistake of not catching a screenshot of shareholders. Could all MQP shareholders please send their MQP shares back to me along with an evemail to advise on how many they sent. Upon receipt (and when new vote is actioned) I will replace their shares with -REPS.
I will update the reservations page now, I believe (based on my wallet size) that only a further 500-600m needs to be raised but Post 7 on page 1 will list exactly whats available.
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.12.15 13:33:00 -
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For the knowledge of investors involved I am posting this to confirm that Katiana and I have reached an agreement with regards to the freighter rental service and its stipulated terms.
MacGyver Communications wishes Ship-Rep Services continued success and a prosperous venture.
All the best and regards!
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.12.15 13:49:00 -
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Ok the -REPS operation has sold out. We are just waiting on payment from a few reservations.
I allowed approximately 50m of shares as spares to cover MQP investors wanting to be incorporated into the -REPS business so there may be a few spare shares that will sit in the corp wallet until claimed.
As above, a very suitable deal has been sourced for freighter rental. I can also confirm that I have purchased a freighter character - Shima Kai for 1.2 billion isk.
The operation was scaled down to 3 billion and supporting documentation in the first 6 posts has been updated. All shares have been reserved or sold and I have enough funds on hand (as well as both the new pilot and freighter) to get started.
If anyone has any further questions or believes core data (from the suggestions and modifications) needs to be updated in the business plan (first 6-7 posts) please let me know and I will jump on it. I am fairly sure I got all the core data moved across to try and keep the operational data as clear as possible on page 1.
Thank you all for your trust in me and the business and I (via my alt) may see you in space.
Warm Regards, Katiana.
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