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Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:46:00 - [1] Its been brought up before, but now with the new titan HP boost.. and (removed by CCP Nozhnothing) proposed Mom HP buff. We are looking at a sheer imbalance between Armor tanked and Shield Tanked Titans. Already are we at a point where titans real tank is in HP alone, and now we bring into the mix the balance between HG Slaves and Crystals. EVEN IF CRYSTALS WORKED ON TITANS we would still be looking at an imbalance. I dont want crystals touched, believe me otherwise its just more of the same and no diversity, rather i would like to see slaves brought inline with crystals and not work on cap ships. Basically with 0 stacking between slaves, trimarks, and akemons/zet5000 you are far surpassing what crystals could even hope to acheive on a shield tanked Titan. I understand for many cap pilots this may be unwanted, because you already have those slave sets/capitals... but honestly you have to look at it from both sides of the spectrum... it needs balanced. TLDR: Remove Slaves from affecting capitals and bring them inline with crystals(which already dont work on capitals) ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:49:00 - [2]
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:51:00 - [3] supporting my own topic 5min later because ccp is too pants meet head to actually moderate properly/prevent trial accounts from posting and instead thinks 5min is enough time to wait with their "awesome" forums logging you out every other minute ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.15 05:13:00 - [4] Abso Fing lutly the difference is just plain silly and terribly imbalanced ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Deschenus Maximus Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.15 08:06:00 - [5] Yup D-F-C wants your noobs!
Dworf hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.15 08:52:00 - [6] agree
Skaverni	Posted - 2009.12.15 09:12:00 - [7] supported
Arakcheev hirr	Posted - 2009.12.15 09:25:00 - [8] I just want the gang bonuses to be fixed Equality to all!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.15 11:55:00 - [9] Edited by: Sokratesz on 15/12/2009 11:55:34 Supported, as long as pilots currently flying supercaps will get the option of destroying their implants and being spawned a new, unused set for compensation. And the issue of gang bonus HP will be brought up soon(tm)
Kim Wilde Gallente Covenant	Posted - 2009.12.15 12:15:00 - [10] not supported, get em to fix crystalls instead of asking em to nerf
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.15 12:53:00 - [11] Hp tanked shield titans have more Ehp than armor tanked ones useing slave sets. That is all. ---------------------------------------------- I fail At forums ٩๏̯͡๏)۶
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.12.15 13:03:00 - [12] Edited by: darius mclever on 15/12/2009 13:03:40 Originally by: Tappits Hp tanked shield titans have more Ehp than armor tanked ones useing slave sets. That is all. and now show me one of those 60m EHP buffer shield tanked titans. you can get those easily with an erebus.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.15 15:18:00 - [13] Quote: prevent trial accounts from posting They cant post...
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.15 16:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Tappits Hp tanked shield titans have more Ehp than armor tanked ones useing slave sets. That is all. I'm fairly sure that that isn't true.
Brengholl	Posted - 2009.12.15 16:41:00 - [15] i dont fly titans so just shush me if i'm wrong but dont the shield tanked capitals actively tank beter than armor (boost amplifiers working for cap modules and nano-pumps not working), and in fact all shield ships have better active tank, but armor is always better for EHP
Vestus Regula The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.12.15 17:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Vestus Regula on 15/12/2009 17:20:53 Not much to be said.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.12.15 19:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Brengholl i dont fly titans so just shush me if i'm wrong but dont the shield tanked capitals actively tank beter than armor (boost amplifiers working for cap modules and nano-pumps not working), and in fact all shield ships have better active tank, but armor is always better for EHP Just in case you missed it. Local tanking titans now is far from viable. given their raw hitpoints, you dont get any decent rep out of capital armor reps to rep enough. an erebus with t2 trimarked, slave implants,akemon's implant and bonuses from a damnation pilot with mindlinks has 6.4m HP armor. even without the t2 trimarks and leaving the implants/damnation we still have like 3.7m raw HP armor. someone mentioned like what 40minutes to rep up from 28% armor without taking dmg.
Ashemi Darkhold hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.16 08:05:00 - [18] Would love to see this resolved ------ hirr!
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.16 19:00:00 - [19] bump ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.16 20:58:00 - [20] agreed +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.12.16 21:18:00 - [21] More evidence of CCP not fully thinking through the ramifications of the titan/dd changes they made. If it isn't mother ships being the new, ultimate dd target, it is a change in the way titans are properly tanked. Sorta thought they spent a bunch of time fine-tuning everything so it was properly balanced when released... obviously not. Fix Local
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.17 18:56:00 - [22] bump ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.12.17 19:18:00 - [23] nuff said, current situation is ******ed. also some deep examination from balance team should be done on why are armour tankers much more usual in pvp, and take measures (proper shield transfer cpu req. to start with). but that's an other topic. p.s: make shield hp boost instant please
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.12.18 13:32:00 - [24] bump
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.19 18:12:00 - [25] bump ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.20 23:48:00 - [26] bumping this because its THAT important ----------------------------------------------
Siddy Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.21 01:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Siddy on 21/12/2009 01:15:35 So that armor tankked titan melt in 50 seconds instead of 75 seconds? not supportted. If you cant afford dome l337 taction shield stuff, wtf are you doing in titan at first plase? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Verys Burning Technologies Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.12.21 08:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 21/12/2009 01:15:35 So that armor tankked titan melt in 50 seconds instead of 75 seconds? not supportted. If you cant afford dome l337 taction shield stuff, wtf are you doing in titan at first plase? Because having to put 80 billion into one caldari titan totally makes sense over putting 50 bil into a gallente titan and getting the same peformance is balanced. Having the crystals removed from the capital game but not the slaves is so wrong, either remove them all or add them all. Improve the market interface
Dahlia Houghton Optimus Crime. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.21 11:48:00 - [29] Let's also make all ships the exact same so we don't need to choose anymore. Not supported!
xOmGx Gallente 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.12.21 11:54:00 - [30] PLZ make 50% Officer mod EANM for armor!!! [Ballance] < as an ancwer to Ignition SemperFi crying Just look Shield got 50% inv field and armor only 28-30% :( Not Fair!!! Ps. Slave Set are fine as it is You can have More armor with lower resistance of less shield with More resistance. Faction Fitted Chimera >> Faction Fitted Archon on Active Tank and Ehp (no implants) No Pain - No Gain

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