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Commander Godsmack	Posted - 2009.12.16 03:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Commander Godsmack on 16/12/2009 03:30:58 Ok so I just got news of this new ship - the Zephyr which is going to come with its own prototype launcher. Now I have some idea what this ship is but for some research this thread is for disscusing all things about it - anything from its looks to it actual usefulness and value ect. ect. ect. as well as the launcher anything about that - Discuss
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.16 03:35:00 - [2] Low signature coupled with a high agility will make it as uncatchable as a shuttle except for bubbles of course. Add in immunity to sleepers along with a nice built in scanner plus ultra low mass and you now have the perfect wormhole scout. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.12.16 03:36:00 - [3] Perfect wormhole scout? Can it cloak?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.16 03:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Omara Otawan Perfect wormhole scout? Can it cloak? Cloaking would make it the perfect overpowered wormhole scout.. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Timothy Heigel	Posted - 2009.12.16 03:44:00 - [5] by prototype, wouldnt that imply there will be more of these types of vessels at a later time?
Pater Peccavi Minmatar The Bastards	Posted - 2009.12.16 03:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Omara Otawan Perfect wormhole scout? Can it cloak? My thoughts as well. Hell, will it even be unprobable? Base sensor strength of 6, 25 sig radius, would a Gallente LG ECCM set be enough for that? _________
TimMc Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.16 04:05:00 - [7] Edited by: TimMc on 16/12/2009 04:06:07 Originally by: Pater Peccavi Originally by: Omara Otawan Perfect wormhole scout? Can it cloak? My thoughts as well. Hell, will it even be unprobable? Base sensor strength of 6, 25 sig radius, would a Gallente LG ECCM set be enough for that? LG Set only adds 7 strength. Getting better but not unprobable.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.12.16 04:23:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc LG Set only adds 7 strength. Getting better but not unprobable. And a waste anyway since you will inevitably land in a bubble at some point and get podded since you cant fit cloak or propulsion mod.
MarieFrance Tessier	Posted - 2009.12.16 07:27:00 - [9] Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 16/12/2009 04:06:07 Originally by: Pater Peccavi Originally by: Omara Otawan Perfect wormhole scout? Can it cloak? My thoughts as well. Hell, will it even be unprobable? Base sensor strength of 6, 25 sig radius, would a Gallente LG ECCM set be enough for that? LG Set only adds 7 strength. Getting better but not unprobable. What about LG plus HG omega?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.12.16 07:46:00 - [10] Neat looking ship. But unless it can cloak and mwd, like has been said, OR it has bonuses greater then rigged covops, I really don't see any practical use for it. Maybe you can bait some ignoramuses by sitting in the middle of a, say, C6 radar site, the one with 27 fast locking sleeper frigs. Hoping some doofus not only bothers to scan you down, but also warps to a close distance (decloak, killed by sleepers) Well, would be worth a laugh, but I wouldn't expect it to work though.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2009.12.16 12:26:00 - [11] Please remember u get it for free... I don't think ccp would really give us an uberscoutingship for free tbfh. but here lies it's strength... IT IS FREE!!! Anyways if u don't want your zephyr, u can contract it to me if u like. ________________________________________________
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.12.16 12:49:00 - [12] Hey don't get me wrong, I love the concept of solar sails, and the aesthetic design that goes with it . Who doesn't. And I'll surely pick up my Zephyrs and zoom around in them some .
Victoria Davion	Posted - 2009.12.16 13:22:00 - [13] I'll fly it 'cos it looks pretty cool :)
Bashe Zor	Posted - 2009.12.16 13:42:00 - [14] It's a gift people, think 'pumpkin helmet' in some other game. aside from that it looks very cool and it will be worth billions one day ;)
James Tritanius	Posted - 2009.12.16 14:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Zeba Low signature coupled with a high agility will make it as uncatchable as a shuttle except for bubbles of course. Add in immunity to sleepers along with a nice built in scanner plus ultra low mass and you now have the perfect wormhole scout. Actually, it is less maneuverable than most destroyers. Still very fast aligning speed, but by no means uncatchable. I'm going to bet that interceptors and sensor boosted frigates can get it without much problems.
deathfighter Kryptec death from above..	Posted - 2009.12.16 14:48:00 - [16] At least web shouldn't work on it since it doesn't use engines. Deathfighter
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.12.16 15:11:00 - [17] Originally by: deathfighter At least web shouldn't work on it since it doesn't use engines. Deathfighter but they will
Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.12.16 15:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Zeba Low signature coupled with a high agility will make it as uncatchable as a shuttle except for bubbles of course. Add in immunity to sleepers along with a nice built in scanner plus ultra low mass and you now have the perfect wormhole scout. ...except that it can't cloak and can't fit a propulsion mod so you'll die instantly to anything with a bubble or a sufficient lock time. So at the very best you could call this a poor-mans PVE-only scout (and since you can never assume that you won't end up in a PVP situation in W-space it's utterly worthless). A covops gives you: cloak, cloaked warping, MWD, warp core stab (if you like), better probing and the possibility to fit tackle and combat probes to find players. The Zephyr gives you: low-performance probing and immunity to sleepers (which sounds good but is not really worth much since a cloaked covops or simple pod will also not be attacked either). It's a collectors item with very limited usefulness (which is OK since everyone is getting one for free).
Oriss Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.16 16:43:00 - [19] I really think CCP should just make this an official ship. It's not OP at all (for reasons previously state) and it's actually pretty darn fragile. Just keep it like it is (not allowed to add mods, but maybe allow grav cap rigs to make scanning slightly easier) and make it cheap to make (like frigate cheap). That would be delightful really. However, we all know this won't happen and CCP will just make it a one time only thing. Too bad that such a wonderful concept is going to just sit in hangers or get suicide ganked. I for one am taking my taranis out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see.
Tylara duChelm	Posted - 2009.12.16 16:58:00 - [20] While yall are wishing for a cloak, I wish it had rig slots. :)
Oriss Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.16 17:21:00 - [21] I agree, cloak is unnecessary. If you want to probe for PVP, get a covops. However, it isn't going to get scanning bonuses naturally, so some tweaking is needed... I'd say make it a trainable ship type that has a probing scaling bonus equal to the cov ops. Just make it require high probing skills to get into. It also (like previously stated) needs to have natural sensor strength = sig radius, as well as a tweak to the speed (natural 1000m/s?). This, coupled with the ability to use rigs, and having a core probe launcher built into the ship (maybe make it a requirement for the construction) would make it an astounding PVE prober. To balance it out though, it should get NO high, mid, or low slots. NONE. This would limit it's role and prevent overlap with Cov Ops. It would be hard to operate in nosec with one with all the gate camps, but once you got it to where you wanted to probe, it would be nigh untouchable. Sounds like a good niche role to me.
Illrean	Posted - 2009.12.16 17:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Oriss Amarr I for one am loading out some interceptors and going out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see. So I have to ask.. why?
Oriss Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.16 17:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Illrean Originally by: Oriss Amarr I for one am loading out some interceptors and going out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see. So I have to ask... why? To drive the market price up as quickly as possible. As they stand now, they are simply collectors items and of no real game play value. The more I gank, the more ISK my Zephyr becomes worth. I'll go dive a couple million in interceptors into Zephyrs to drive my Zephyr into the billions any day.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2009.12.16 17:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Oriss Amarr Originally by: Illrean Originally by: Oriss Amarr I for one am loading out some interceptors and going out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see. So I have to ask... why? To drive the market price up as quickly as possible. As they stand now, they are simply collectors items and of no real game play value. The more I gank, the more ISK my Zephyr becomes worth. I'll go dive a couple million in interceptors into Zephyrs to drive my Zephyr into the billions any day. Oh geez. Fine, I'll bite. How many Zephyrs do you think you can gank? Given unwavering dedication and luck, maybe 20? 30? That is even an overestimation. How many active accounts are in EVE? Let's just be generous and say it's 200k. You'll spend hundreds of millions (lol interceptors) to drive up the price of those items by a factor of 30/200k, which is around 0.015%. Worth it? You be the judge.
Oriss Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.16 18:08:00 - [25] Originally by: James Tritanius Originally by: Oriss Amarr Originally by: Illrean Originally by: Oriss Amarr I for one am loading out some interceptors and going out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see. So I have to ask... why? To drive the market price up as quickly as possible. As they stand now, they are simply collectors items and of no real game play value. The more I gank, the more ISK my Zephyr becomes worth. I'll go dive a couple million in interceptors into Zephyrs to drive my Zephyr into the billions any day. Oh geez. Fine, I'll bite. How many Zephyrs do you think you can gank? Given unwavering dedication and luck, maybe 20? 30? That is even an overestimation. How many active accounts are in EVE? Let's just be generous and say it's 200k. You'll spend hundreds of millions (lol interceptors) to drive up the price of those items by a factor of 30/200k, which is around 0.015%. Worth it? You be the judge. Now imagine everyone thinks like you. You're right, nothing will happen. Now imagine everyone thinks like me. If even 1/100 of the active players get 20 kills, that's 1/5 of the ships GONE FOREVER. That's a significant market increase. You're right, I can't so it alone, but I'm sure all the other players in EVE will help the cause. Give it a year or two and those will be worth astounding amounts. Trust me.
Pocket Thunder	Posted - 2009.12.16 18:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Oriss Amarr Originally by: Illrean Originally by: Oriss Amarr I for one am loading out some interceptors and going out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see. So I have to ask... why? To drive the market price up as quickly as possible. As they stand now, they are simply collectors items and of no real game play value. The more I gank, the more ISK my Zephyr becomes worth. I'll go dive a couple million in interceptors into Zephyrs to drive my Zephyr into the billions any day. My immediate thought was "because it is fun". It was certainly fun last time, prowling around Jita in a suicide-Thrasher while popping any Apotheosis silly enough to sit still.
robert surtees	Posted - 2009.12.16 21:37:00 - [27] I will certainly be sacrificing whatever ship I'm in to the concord gods if i see one. How much is an Apotheosis worth now? I still have mine.
Kalis Vontall	Posted - 2009.12.16 21:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Oriss Amarr I for one am loading out some interceptors and going out in highsec and suicide-ganking every single one I see. This is exactly why mine will never leave the station :)
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.12.17 00:51:00 - [29] Originally by: robert surtees How much is an Apotheosis worth now? I still have mine. Ten million isk (pinky to lips), if you're lucky. Btw, Zephyr blows. Had to be said. *-- He said "The President is near."*
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.12.17 01:18:00 - [30] you cannot fit the zepher... it has only 1 high and no cpu or grid. It is immune to sleepers though. The 1 high slot is taken up by the probe launcher. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"

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