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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:27:00 -
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MOAR EPEEN WAVV1NG PLOX1!1
There ought to be moaR ways for me to show off my beautiful enlarggid cyber-peens
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Yahrr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.19 06:40:00 -
[32]
Not supported.
Make the idea a bit more complex and I would support it. Something like reverse engineering of a corpse to salvage some implants. 
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Rhodera
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Posted - 2009.12.19 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rhodera on 19/12/2009 19:23:42
Lol @ all these people assuming it's all about e-peen / bragging rights.
When determining any campaigns success, on a killboard, how is it done?
Isk destroyed vs isk loss.
Without adding in potential billions of loss in implants, the results are not valid.
Simple as that.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.19 22:22:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Rhodera
Edited by: Rhodera on 19/12/2009 19:23:42
Lol @ all these people assuming it's all about e-peen / bragging rights.
When determining any campaigns success, on a killboard, how is it done?
Isk destroyed vs isk loss.
Without adding in potential billions of loss in implants, the results are not valid.
Simple as that.
But it would require 2 kill mails then, which kinda seems like clogging the lines. 1 for the ship for the first kill, then a second for the pod. People don't die when their ships explode.
Lord knows it's annoying enough when people link 1 killmail, let alone start linking 2.
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Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Sauer Hase
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Posted - 2009.12.20 11:05:00 -
[35]
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Rhodera
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Posted - 2009.12.20 14:44:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
Originally by: Rhodera
Edited by: Rhodera on 19/12/2009 19:23:42
Lol @ all these people assuming it's all about e-peen / bragging rights.
When determining any campaigns success, on a killboard, how is it done?
Isk destroyed vs isk loss.
Without adding in potential billions of loss in implants, the results are not valid.
Simple as that.
But it would require 2 kill mails then, which kinda seems like clogging the lines. 1 for the ship for the first kill, then a second for the pod. People don't die when their ships explode.
Lord knows it's annoying enough when people link 1 killmail, let alone start linking 2.
for every pod kill. Thats like saying killing teh support ships in a battle shouldn't be added as it clogs up the killboard 
If there is isk loss, it should be reported, to maintain accuracy of campaigns successes / failures.
Hardly a success if you do 1 billion isk damage to the enemies ships, but then lose one single pod that costs also billion to replace...means you've broke even.
At the moment, Killboards don't reflect this.
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SisterMaryElephant
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Posted - 2009.12.30 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: SisterMaryElephant on 30/12/2009 00:54:22
I always PVP with an empty clone. I'd be happy to spit in the face of the pod-*****s when they see they didn't cause me to lose implants.
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.12.30 12:06:00 -
[38]
Supported. |
Nix Anteris
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Posted - 2010.02.26 21:55:00 -
[39]
Supported to allow the proper calculation of the value of a kill. Implants listed as destroyed items in pod killmails please.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.27 01:21:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Nix Anteris
Supported to allow the proper calculation of the value of a kill. Implants listed as destroyed items in pod killmails please.
How is this important anyways? I accept the fact that some people play kill mail on line, but those same people gloat over killing a T1 hauler smack full of BPC's that are showing BPO prices on teit kill board. When in fact all they did was kill a 200,000 isk ship with 2-3 days worth of copy slots (that can be up to 220 BPC's max run btw).
Also I don't want people to know about the low grade slave set I lost in a shield tanked Arazu. That sucked  .
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Nix Anteris
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Posted - 2010.02.27 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tellenta
How is this important anyways?
Well to put it into a context that maybe everyone can appreciate, what if you're a mercenary corporation, and you're trying to show how much damage (financially) you've inflicted on your current marks. For your client to know that the victims have also lost several billion in implants as well as their ship will make them a happy customer, but there's currently no way to know this.
What if your awesome re-imbursement program also extends to cover low grade slave sets lost in official operations ;) No way to know who did and didn't have these implanted.
What's the difference between seeing what modules someone had in their lost ship (awesome/insane/fail or otherwise) and seeing what implants they had poking out of their grey matter (awesome/insane/fail or otherwise)?
Ok how about a module for those with maxed biology to be able to probe frozen corpses and work it out? no? (joke)
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Kilostream
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kilostream on 27/02/2010 13:06:52
Yup, I'm down with the implants-on-killmails idea.
However I'd only support the looting of implants if it was also possible to unplug and re-use them in the normal course of events.
This is because if unplugging them yourself destroys them, then someone else unplugging them from a corpse should also destroy them.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:22:00 -
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yes yes yes, sometimes implants are worth more than the ship. This would also give a whole new meaning to ransoming
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Clumsy Pilot
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:38:00 -
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Clone grade quality is quantity and quality of neural connections in the brain of the medical clone at the medical facility that your body is cloned back to. If there number is insufficient to properly assimilate information from your previous body, some information may be lost.
As soon at the body becomes alive (you jump into it/you are cloned back to life) the effective quality of your bodies brain becomes infinite as more neural connections will be created by the brain when necessary, that's a natural process that takes place when you learn, and that is why you can exceed your clone limit. therefore determining the quality of the body that you killed is impossible as it does not correspond to the normal specifications of bodies stored at medical facility, as normal processes of metabolism, lyfecycle of cells, death of brain cells due to use of drugs, boosters and alcohol change the brain a lot. Neither can you determine the quality of the clone to which you victim was cloned, because that clone is light-years away from you at the medical facility, and i doubt that if you kill a guy, and then call up medical personal at his alliance outpost to ask them the clone cost so you know how much damage you did, they will be eager to tell you.
Determining the exact model of a microscopic implant included in someone's head when you shot through his body a 1400 mm projectile, or 1000mm plasma bolt few million degrees hot will be problematic at best.
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:08:00 -
[45]
Wow people who do not support this topic are unusually poor at coming up with reasons for not supporting.
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Kilostream
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.28 12:21:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
....This would also give a whole new meaning to ransoming....
Would it? - to add a new dimension to ransoming you'd have to know what the implants were before you destroyed the pod, surely?!
Finding out after the event that you just destroyed 2bn-worth of implants might give you an additional belly-chuckle, but it's not going to pad your wallet out any!
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 00:06:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Nix Anteris
Originally by: Tellenta
How is this important anyways?
Well to put it into a context that maybe everyone can appreciate, what if you're a mercenary corporation, and you're trying to show how much damage (financially) you've inflicted on your current marks. For your client to know that the victims have also lost several billion in implants as well as their ship will make them a happy customer, but there's currently no way to know this.
What if your awesome re-imbursement program also extends to cover low grade slave sets lost in official operations ;) No way to know who did and didn't have these implanted.
What's the difference between seeing what modules someone had in their lost ship (awesome/insane/fail or otherwise) and seeing what implants they had poking out of their grey matter (awesome/insane/fail or otherwise)?
Ok how about a module for those with maxed biology to be able to probe frozen corpses and work it out? no? (joke)
If you are a mercenary corporation I would assume you would like to brag about successful contracts, not how much isk you've killed. Is a merc corp fail if they were contracted to shut down a region against a certain corp/alliance and succeeded so well that the alliance never undocked to get killed in a measurable quantity?
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What's the difference between seeing what modules someone had in their lost ship (awesome/insane/fail or otherwise) and seeing what implants they had poking out of their grey matter (awesome/insane/fail or otherwise)?
none what so ever, but kill mails for ships are already in game however irrelevant I hold them. The only reason I pay attention to my killboard is to check off things on my killboard bingo. Need a black ops, and an orca and I win! Of course I laugh at fail fits just like everyone else, however it's the team organization, planning and execution that I hold in higher regard (also a well executed gank is partial to my heart).
I won't be upset at all if pod mails show up, however that does not change the fact that I see no good use for it other than another way to "haha" at someone you killed.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 00:16:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Tellenta on 01/03/2010 00:16:47
Originally by: EdwardNardella
Wow people who do not support this topic are unusually poor at coming up with reasons for not supporting.
Well, ok lets analyze this argument.
Pro: we want more fluff
Con: fluff yourself
It's really just that simple. Any more words typed than that is just keyboard diarrhea.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:27:00 -
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Not supported, it's not needed.
Furthermore while it makes some sense that your ships scanners can pick up or figure out what a ship had on board or fitted, it makes very little sense that they could figure out such finery as is installed in some ones blown up head.
Personally I think Killmails themselves are kind of ridiculous. It really makes no sense that just because you kill someone you immediately know all sorts of informations about their ship without even exploring it or looking at it or scanning it or anything. It'd be similar to if I used an RPG and blew up someone in a car and then immediately knew everything that was in it, what is salvageable and what kind of tires he was using...
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
Fumar Puede Matar
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:35:00 -
[50]
NOT NEEDED / NOT SUPPORTED.
The killmail system already encourages killmailwhoring and discourages engaging when the outcome is not certain, this is bad enough. The last thing we need is yet more EPEEN fodder reinforcing this behaviour (of which i have been just as guilty of in the past) mostly due to concern over KB efficiency and other meaningless crap.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:29:00 -
[51]
I don't support it primarily because this additional information would have only 1 effect: more hate speech in local
I get enough snide remarks just because I like to fly expensive ships.
There's not a single situation where seeing someone's implants wouldn't cause more negativity. Either it'll be
"lol noob doesn't even have cheap implants"
or
"lol noob just lost his implants"
The best thing is not to feed the trolls.
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Slade Hoo
Corpse Collection Point
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:56:00 -
[52]
*support*
Its a good thing. But i'd like this feature implemented along with Neutral Scanner that has been proposed about a week ago.
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Shandas
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:13:00 -
[53]
Originally by: EdwardNardella
Wow people who do not support this topic are unusually poor at coming up with reasons for not supporting.
Not supported
Here, how about this reason.
It would increase pod killing for no other reason than to find out what implants someone had.
I believe CCP and as such Concord doesn't support pod killing, which is why you get a huge status hit for doing it when in low sec high sec. All this would do is PROMOTE pod killing anyone who happens by for no other reason than to see what they had in their head.
I would hazard a guess as this is why it isn't included already.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:29:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Clumsy Pilot
Clone grade quality is quantity and quality of neural connections in the brain of the medical clone at the medical facility that your body is cloned back to. If there number is insufficient to properly assimilate information from your previous body, some information may be lost.
As soon at the body becomes alive (you jump into it/you are cloned back to life) the effective quality of your bodies brain becomes infinite as more neural connections will be created by the brain when necessary, that's a natural process that takes place when you learn, and that is why you can exceed your clone limit. therefore determining the quality of the body that you killed is impossible as it does not correspond to the normal specifications of bodies stored at medical facility, as normal processes of metabolism, lyfecycle of cells, death of brain cells due to use of drugs, boosters and alcohol change the brain a lot. Neither can you determine the quality of the clone to which you victim was cloned, because that clone is light-years away from you at the medical facility, and i doubt that if you kill a guy, and then call up medical personal at his alliance outpost to ask them the clone cost so you know how much damage you did, they will be eager to tell you.
Determining the exact model of a microscopic implant included in someone's head when you shot through his body a 1400 mm projectile, or 1000mm plasma bolt few million degrees hot will be problematic at best.
exactly my thoughts
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Desgracia
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Posted - 2010.03.03 00:55:00 -
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Very much it would be desirable to know that my enemy has wasted while I pod him.
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Max Khaos
Limited Liabilty
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.04 18:11:00 -
[56]
On kill mail yes
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Kytanos Termek
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.03.04 19:32:00 -
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Makes sense
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.03.05 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kytanos Termek
Makes sense
Why does it make sense?
EdwardNardella it's all very well complaining that naysayers don't have a reason to say no (even though it's been clearly explained by a few posters), but it's not like those supporting have anymore reason other then their own personal satisfaction. So take your ad hominem and stuff it.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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d3vo
Isotope Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.03.05 02:32:00 -
[59]
Y not...
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