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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:46:00 -
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OK, so someone hires mercs to wardec you for the sake of "disrupting your EvE gameplay."
What is the point of that?
Is that considered griefing or is it *sigh* normal gameplay?
Sucks...especially when you are a one man corp.
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Vespoi Filar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:50:00 -
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totally legit... and LOL!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:51:00 -
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It's allowed.
Things like that are why i post on this guy instead of my main.
It's actually easier to avoid them and make sure they get no kills if it's just you in the corp. However, it means not really being able to do anything in game until they get bored.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:54:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Anyway, you could hire some Mercs to get them back, move corps, pay them off, stay in the station until they get bored, or, you know, PVP with them for fun.
If they said 'disrupting your game play' rather than you making it up you may have grounds for a petition but generally that will then depend on their behaviour. Blowing up your ships or disrupting your normal activities is not griefing.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic Can I have your stuff?
Anyway, you could hire some Mercs to get them back, move corps, pay them off, stay in the station until they get bored, or, you know, PVP with them for fun.
If they said 'disrupting your game play' rather than you making it up you may have grounds for a petition but generally that will then depend on their behaviour. Blowing up your ships or disrupting your normal activities is not griefing.
Im not quitting.
Well, I mixed it up with them for a bit:
one battlecruiser (me)
vs
two Battleships.
Guess who won?
I paid them off. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Eliza Farcaster
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:01:00 -
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Good that you tried, it's one of the things that makes eve such a great game. Get some friends in logistics to help you out next time.
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Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr OK, so someone hires mercs to wardec you for the sake of "disrupting your EvE gameplay."
What is the point of that?
Is that considered griefing or is it *sigh* normal gameplay?
Sucks...especially when you are a one man corp.
Do you have roles? You *dont* have roles, right?
Ok, quick primer:
Form 1 man corp on your alt...
war-dec comes in...
it takes 24 hours for a wardec to go live so you have two options if you don't wish to fight:
A. Drop corp immediately and form a new corp with an alt (about one hour of training)
B. wait 23 hours, drop corp, and form new OMC.
You also have a comedy option:
Train up to use a proto cloak, go to a safespot, and cloak up while at work, the gym, school or while you sleep at night...
Plenty of alternatives...
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonspirit
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr OK, so someone hires mercs to wardec you for the sake of "disrupting your EvE gameplay."
What is the point of that?
Is that considered griefing or is it *sigh* normal gameplay?
Sucks...especially when you are a one man corp.
Do you have roles? You *dont* have roles, right?
Ok, quick primer:
Form 1 man corp on your alt...
war-dec comes in...
it takes 24 hours for a wardec to go live so you have two options if you don't wish to fight:
A. Drop corp immediately and form a new corp with an alt (about one hour of training)
B. wait 23 hours, drop corp, and form new OMC.
You also have a comedy option:
Train up to use a proto cloak, go to a safespot, and cloak up while at work, the gym, school or while you sleep at night...
Plenty of alternatives...
Ah...good tips. Thanks. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Daemonspirit
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr OK, so someone hires mercs to wardec you for the sake of "disrupting your EvE gameplay."
What is the point of that?
Is that considered griefing or is it *sigh* normal gameplay?
Sucks...especially when you are a one man corp.
Do you have roles? You *dont* have roles, right?
Ok, quick primer:
Form 1 man corp on your alt...
war-dec comes in...
it takes 24 hours for a wardec to go live so you have two options if you don't wish to fight:
A. Drop corp immediately and form a new corp with an alt (about one hour of training)
B. wait 23 hours, drop corp, and form new OMC.
You also have a comedy option:
Train up to use a proto cloak, go to a safespot, and cloak up while at work, the gym, school or while you sleep at night...
Plenty of alternatives...
Ah...good tips. Thanks.
this also has the downside of giving out your timetable. which is pretty ****ing dumb if you ask me.
i don't get why you all typing like this.
oh wait...
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Zartanic Can I have your stuff?
Anyway, you could hire some Mercs to get them back, move corps, pay them off, stay in the station until they get bored, or, you know, PVP with them for fun.
If they said 'disrupting your game play' rather than you making it up you may have grounds for a petition but generally that will then depend on their behaviour. Blowing up your ships or disrupting your normal activities is not griefing.
Im not quitting.
Well, I mixed it up with them for a bit:
one battlecruiser (me)
vs
two Battleships.
Guess who won?
I paid them off.
At least you had a go. Worst case is you can join an NPC corp for a while. The tax is not really that much on total mission income.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:52:00 -
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If they don't supply you with a sufficient and satisfying reason for the war it's on you to dream one up.
The default being; Why do the strong pick on the weak? Because they can.
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HairySack Hangin
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Zartanic Can I have your stuff?
Anyway, you could hire some Mercs to get them back, move corps, pay them off, stay in the station until they get bored, or, you know, PVP with them for fun.
If they said 'disrupting your game play' rather than you making it up you may have grounds for a petition but generally that will then depend on their behaviour. Blowing up your ships or disrupting your normal activities is not griefing.
Im not quitting.
Well, I mixed it up with them for a bit:
one battlecruiser (me)
Hire a neutral logistic or 3. They're cheap, or even free. They can likely kite the bs or just jump/dock and return to keep them highly annoyed. Unfortunately I see people doing this everywhere just for LOLs.
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr vs
two Battleships.
Guess who won?
I paid them off.
That's all they wanted you to do. Typical eve play. As someone above said... if they replied 'to disrupt your game play' to inquiries why you were decced you have a petitionable offense. They will only bet warned, however, they won't get banned unless they keep doing it. And changing corps will only get you chased from corp to corp to corp, that's not griefing as it's 1 man corps all the time. I would suggest joining a larger corp, or even a merc corp for a time (there are many in Empire). Your 'griefers' will vanish like vapor the moment you do.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: HairySack Hangin I would suggest joining a larger corp, or even a merc corp for a time (there are many in Empire). Your 'griefers' will vanish like vapor the moment you do.
I've had the same thought. Currently building up combat skills. When I feel ready, I'll seek one out.
Thanks for the feedback. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.12.18 04:47:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Crime and Punishment.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.18 04:50:00 -
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Roll some alts, make them CEO's of their own little OMC's(takes maybe seven minutes to train Corp 1 if you remap them for it), then jump corps like leapfrog until they get sick of throwing a wardec that you continually evade. Chances are it won't take long. They'll be on after better prey soon enough.
Beyond that, STFU in-game to keep from attracting attention to yourself and the reason you get wardec'ed likely evaporates. If you seriously wanna run around cheesing people off with no wardec repercussions, GB2NPCCorp.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa
Beyond that, STFU in-game to keep from attracting attention to yourself and the reason you get wardec'ed likely evaporates. If you seriously wanna run around cheesing people off with no wardec repercussions, GB2NPCCorp.
That's the thing...I dont chat in game. I dont know anyone.
Thanks for the feedback...you have a good idea. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.18 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa Roll some alts, make them CEO's of their own little OMC's(takes maybe seven minutes to train Corp 1 if you remap them for it), then jump corps like leapfrog until they get sick of throwing a wardec that you continually evade. Chances are it won't take long. They'll be on after better prey soon enough.
Beyond that, STFU in-game to keep from attracting attention to yourself and the reason you get wardec'ed likely evaporates. If you seriously wanna run around cheesing people off with no wardec repercussions, GB2NPCCorp.
carry on jumping corps to avoid war decs... ccp will fix that broken mechanic. after all originally what the privateers did wasnt "broken" till it became rampart!
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Zartanic Can I have your stuff?
Anyway, you could hire some Mercs to get them back, move corps, pay them off, stay in the station until they get bored, or, you know, PVP with them for fun.
If they said 'disrupting your game play' rather than you making it up you may have grounds for a petition but generally that will then depend on their behaviour. Blowing up your ships or disrupting your normal activities is not griefing.
Im not quitting.
Well, I mixed it up with them for a bit:
one battlecruiser (me)
vs
two Battleships.
Guess who won?
I paid them off.
Good that you're not quiting.
Good that you mixed it up. Experience teaches and next time you'll be more prepared.
Bad that you paid them off. Very bad. Never pay off ransomers or griefers. Next time just play dodge the dec. It's more fun, less humiliating and doesn't encourage them to grief others in the future.
Windjammer
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Zartanic Can I have your stuff?
Anyway, you could hire some Mercs to get them back, move corps, pay them off, stay in the station until they get bored, or, you know, PVP with them for fun.
If they said 'disrupting your game play' rather than you making it up you may have grounds for a petition but generally that will then depend on their behaviour. Blowing up your ships or disrupting your normal activities is not griefing.
Im not quitting.
Well, I mixed it up with them for a bit:
one battlecruiser (me)
vs
two Battleships.
Guess who won?
I paid them off.
Good that you're not quiting.
Good that you mixed it up. Experience teaches and next time you'll be more prepared.
Bad that you paid them off. Very bad. Never pay off ransomers or griefers. Next time just play dodge the dec. It's more fun, less humiliating and doesn't encourage them to grief others in the future.
Windjammer
Thanks.
Yeah, I know I shouldn't have paid them off but they just got in the way. I'm working towards specific goals and do alot of missions. Got so I couldn't undock. I'm just glad I had the spare isk. I wont be doing that again though, next unwarranted wardec and I'm fighting back. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.18 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 18/12/2009 06:49:27
Giving ISK to griefers won't suddenly make them trustworthy.
If you pay off a highSec warDec, they'll just come back for more, or give your Corp name and location to another warDec griefer. Hiring Mercs will have the same effect - your ISK is gone and you get no long-term benefit.
One effect of this game "feature" is to push solo players towards running several accounts. Not "fair" perhaps, but thats ok - this is EvE, where nothing's fair.
The other effect is to make it even more difficult for a small group of rookies to get together and try to learn the game together. This suits the majority of the player base, who treat rookies as a consumable, like ammo. But if CCP believe that, why do they spend money on advertising for new players?
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Selrid Miamarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.18 07:06:00 -
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As a new player, I really don't see the point in this. When you have to game the system to avoid disruption it does not make EVE a great place, and having to run into the arms of an npc corp or try and convince a large corp to accept a low sp player is not enhanced gameplay to me. I can understand piracy, war, and meaningful disruption but griefing for the lulz would seem to me to weaken EVE, not strengthen it.
I am trying to understand the mindset, but I'm afraid it is alien to me how people justify this as a positive aspect to EVE.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Selrid Miamarr As a new player, I really don't see the point in this. When you have to game the system to avoid disruption it does not make EVE a great place, and having to run into the arms of an npc corp or try and convince a large corp to accept a low sp player is not enhanced gameplay to me. I can understand piracy, war, and meaningful disruption but griefing for the lulz would seem to me to weaken EVE, not strengthen it.
I am trying to understand the mindset, but I'm afraid it is alien to me how people justify this as a positive aspect to EVE.
Both you and Elena Laskova have some good points. Eve does seem geared towards the more sadistic/selfish aspects of society. You are only as good to me as your bank account (if I'm robbing you) or you SP level (if I'm recruiting you).
I suppose EvE is more akin to the "wild west" instead of the relative safety net of a civilized society. The law enforcement in Eve is superficial at best, so you really are on your own. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Junko Togawa Roll some alts, make them CEO's of their own little OMC's(takes maybe seven minutes to train Corp 1 if you remap them for it), then jump corps like leapfrog until they get sick of throwing a wardec that you continually evade. Chances are it won't take long. They'll be on after better prey soon enough.
Beyond that, STFU in-game to keep from attracting attention to yourself and the reason you get wardec'ed likely evaporates. If you seriously wanna run around cheesing people off with no wardec repercussions, GB2NPCCorp.
carry on jumping corps to avoid war decs... ccp will fix that broken mechanic. after all originally what the privateers did wasnt "broken" till it became rampart!
For that to become "rampart" you need war deccing one man corps to become rampart first.
Guess what will be fixed first .
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Junko Togawa Roll some alts, make them CEO's of their own little OMC's(takes maybe seven minutes to train Corp 1 if you remap them for it), then jump corps like leapfrog until they get sick of throwing a wardec that you continually evade. Chances are it won't take long. They'll be on after better prey soon enough.
Beyond that, STFU in-game to keep from attracting attention to yourself and the reason you get wardec'ed likely evaporates. If you seriously wanna run around cheesing people off with no wardec repercussions, GB2NPCCorp.
carry on jumping corps to avoid war decs... ccp will fix that broken mechanic. after all originally what the privateers did wasnt "broken" till it became rampart!
CCP is capable of "fixing that broken mechanic", but it's very doubtful they'd want to. Do you really think they want to lose that many people just to satisfy the need of griefers?
Also, the word you're looking for is not rampart. It's rampant. A rampart is a defensive embankment.
Windjammer
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Selrid Miamarr As a new player, I really don't see the point in this. When you have to game the system to avoid disruption it does not make EVE a great place, and having to run into the arms of an npc corp or try and convince a large corp to accept a low sp player is not enhanced gameplay to me. I can understand piracy, war, and meaningful disruption but griefing for the lulz would seem to me to weaken EVE, not strengthen it.
I am trying to understand the mindset, but I'm afraid it is alien to me how people justify this as a positive aspect to EVE.
A new player can easily stay in a starter NPC corporation or move from a player corp to an NPC corp. Concord is a very capable defender of new and old players alike in high sec. For a new mission runner the 11% tax is just not that steep a price. Or as has been suggested in other posts of this thread, one can simply set up a series of player owned corps and keep jumping from one to the next. Also, there are some really good player corps you can join that don't particularly care if you've got a ton of sp's or not.
Whether they be the lowly can flipper or the slightly more evolved frequent high sec war decer, you're going to find griefers throughout EVE. They and the means of coping with them are part of the game. Believe me, there are quite a few ways of dealing with them and ruining their fun. One of the very best is to ignore them verbally and quietly deal with them. They freakin hate it when you don't talk to them. I suppose it makes them feel..........inconsequential.
Windjammer
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 08:50:00 -
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It does make you wonder the reasoning behind the 11% tax on NPCs. It would force players to form their own corps to avoid it, but it also opens these same players to PvP with wardecs.
In short, if you want NPC protection, pay 11% else try your luck on your own. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.18 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr It does make you wonder the reasoning behind the 11% tax on NPCs. It would force players to form their own corps to avoid it, but it also opens these same players to PvP with wardecs.
In short, if you want NPC protection, pay 11% else try your luck on your own.
dont forget if that does not move enough people out of npc corps ccp will look at raising it higher and higher ...
good for isk farmers to move into corps.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula It's allowed.
Things like that are why i post on this guy instead of my main.
Plan B: dont type or post smack or other stupidity that will get you wardecced.
I only ever post on this, my main. And I post a lot. Never been wardecced for something I've posted or said in local, and I'm pretty sure that this is not because of my fearsome notorious terrifying PvP prowess.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Professor Tarantula It's allowed.
Things like that are why i post on this guy instead of my main.
Plan B: dont type or post smack or other stupidity that will get you wardecced.
I only ever post on this, my main. And I post a lot. Never been wardecced for something I've posted or said in local, and I'm pretty sure that this is not because of my fearsome notorious terrifying PvP prowess.
OK, I just looked you up and you have 207 members in your corp. Naturally you are not an easy target. I have 3 members in my corp = easy target. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Benedict Carol
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Posted - 2009.12.18 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Professor Tarantula It's allowed.
Things like that are why i post on this guy instead of my main.
Plan B: dont type or post smack or other stupidity that will get you wardecced.
I only ever post on this, my main. And I post a lot. Never been wardecced for something I've posted or said in local, and I'm pretty sure that this is not because of my fearsome notorious terrifying PvP prowess.
OK, I just looked you up and you have 207 members in your corp. Naturally you are not an easy target. I have 3 members in my corp = easy target.
Only if you make yourself an easy target. Size doesn't matter, tactics do.
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