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Fenix Khresah
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Posted - 2009.12.20 05:10:00 -
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Very nice! I too didn't know about holding shift to move them all and reduce the range! Nicely done.
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Aramar Morkai
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Posted - 2009.12.20 06:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Mrs Snowman
finally CCP have come to realise that the best and fastest way to help new players learn eve is through a video tutorial! I did wonder how many more years it would take.
However there is one critical flaw in this video, one which will be potentially disasterous for any new player.
I wont say what it is since it will fall on deaf ears, anyone who has ever done any kind of probing should instantly recognise it.
If your gona make more videos Stevie, play a bit eve mmkay?
Maybe you should elaborate for those who dont have a lot of experience probing.... Their ears are not deaf... I've done a lot of probing and unless it was something listed already I didnt catch it.
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Klee Tarris
Amarr
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.20 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Klee Tarris on 20/12/2009 21:40:25
Originally by: Aramar Morkai
Maybe you should elaborate for those who dont have a lot of experience probing.... Their ears are not deaf... I've done a lot of probing and unless it was something listed already I didnt catch it.
Indeed, as Aramar stated, saying you know this great flaw but won't reveal it is like climbing out of the bath to answer the phone, and getting there just as it stops ringing... Either wait until we answer the phone, or leave a message - know what I mean ?
Anyway, quite a nice vid there StevieG. I can see some people's point about it taking certain knowledge for granted, but then again, if those pilots have already done the in-game Exploration tutorials then it shouldn't be a problem.
The English judges award 8/10 - good work :)
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ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2009.12.20 21:52:00 -
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petition for stevieSG to replace Aura.
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Akasun
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Posted - 2009.12.20 22:22:00 -
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In general, I found the tutorial very worthwhile. I didn't think about the shift-drag trick until I saw you do it. In addition to going over the overview and scan results, I think the tutorial could benefit from a discussion on the following topics:
1) probe placement (e.g., comparisons w/ a pyramid formation)
2) dealing with scan deviation
3) problems you encounter with low skills and how to address them
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00donkey
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Posted - 2009.12.20 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: 00donkey on 20/12/2009 23:16:27
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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2009.12.21 18:58:00 -
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Well done.
As someone who literally 2 weeks ago just learned how to scan, I would've liked to have had this vid back then. I especially wish I had known probes were reuseable before spending obscene amounts on a big stack of them ....
Sure there are lots of other things you could've covered, but for an intro-to video of 5 minutes, it gets the job done.
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Trianon Starstealer
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.21 22:07:00 -
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I really appreciate the video. It's amazing how much a video can show you compared with trying to understand somebody's written instructions.
Great job and many thanks!
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Odinegras
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2009.12.21 23:06:00 -
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Ive just tried 5 probes, hmm doesn't work very well IMHO, I'll stick with the way i was doing it before.
I also agree that you have missed something but I cant place my finger on what.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
InterStellar C3i Combat Systems and Exploration
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Posted - 2009.12.22 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 22/12/2009 01:13:34
Not a bad Video Bravo! CCP needs to make more like this. Interesting how many different styles there are to do this. I only use 4 probes. (The "Pyramid") Though sometimes I use 1 Deep Space probe as my "Big Picture" and move the other 4 around in that space. But I never thought of using the 5th probe as a center marker. I just eyball it.
Since this video seems meant for people unfamiliar with Scanning, It could use a Part 2 to explain the Horizontal and Vertical rings and bookmarking as well as the difference between the various types for probes. But I like the the no nonsense - "get down to brass tacks and show me how to do it" approach of this video. Too much info can be just as bad as too little.
The "obvious" mistake a "Mrs Snowman" pointed out might have been NOT keeping the overview up, but if you are in high sec and not in a war its not really a concern. (Only when you are inside the WH or in low/0.0 sec.)
That said, If you are going to point out an error, but NOT say what what is (even if if you think its obvious) then it appears that you are being a self important ass. Either say waht you think is wrong or STFU and quit wasting our our time.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.22 10:38:00 -
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hey hey
nice video but lacks in depth.
id suggest having a multipart video tutorial and having each step being more in depth than the other.
1. you used a cov ops ship - nothing explained about bonusses etc
2. you used max range. .. . IN A 32 AU SYSTEM !!! major fail and if you ever scan max range you should always use a deep space probe as thats the only probe actually capable of scanning a system in its entirity regargles of how vast a ssytem is . . .. 32AU's are baby systems.
3. Er. . . . . right click and ignore all other results so much clutter
4. nothing was explained about the "distance" column and it was totally ignored :/ btw i use this method also and totally ignore the distance column but an official tutorial shouldnt.
5. nothing explained about skills
6. your in a cov ops ship and DIDNT cloak :/
7. that magic red sphere explanation isnt totally correct. If you dropped a max range probe that covers a system and scanned you will ALWAYS get the red sphere around the probe that got the single hit. 2+ probes and you get a ring/dot.
8. what if the signal goes down ?
9. what if you drop the probes and reduced the scan range and you miss the signal ?
10. doesnt the "type" column give the signals identity after around 50% ? no information was given about that whatsoever and the different signature types. warping your UNCLOAKED cov ops to a combat plex is gonna get your ass exploded.
well .. . still a good start. Video > forum
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thisisnotmikaldrey
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Posted - 2009.12.22 10:44:00 -
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btw your client is out of date and is using a older version of the scaning UI
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Callista Sincera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.22 11:00:00 -
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Would be really nice if she could voiceact the ingame tutorials, too. People would finally do those! :)
Thanks for the video. I just scanned my first site.
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Bel Rigean
Gallente
GoldLeaf Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.22 18:41:00 -
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Never occurred to me to fan out 4 probes around a center one. 
Finding the hidden deadspace areas should be a lot easier and faster now. 
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Cearain
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Posted - 2009.12.22 20:12:00 -
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Captain, I think the ship's cpu should be able to do this process. That the pilot must position the probes by hand seems a bit tedius.
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Bel Amar
Amarr
Paragons of Order
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Posted - 2009.12.22 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bel Rigean
Edited by: Bel Rigean on 22/12/2009 18:47:01
Never occurred to me to fan out 4 probes around a center one. The written instruction do not mention this method.
That's because it's a bad method! Having a probe centered on your signature means that you will almost certainly get reduced signal strength due to the fact the game reduces your signal strength if the angle between any two given probes is less tan 90 degree. Having a probe /on/ the signature effectively guarantees you will get this occurring, which will make your life harder when it comes to tracking down sites at the edge of your ability to scan
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Xikorita
Mob Thought
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.12.23 13:26:00 -
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Guys this is the first scanning video. For a basic introduction to scanning this is perfect. What is needed now is "Advanced Scanning 1 and 2 etc".
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Nukleanis
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.23 15:53:00 -
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The tutorial didn't mention that the probe was placed in the center of a system, only that a probe was dropped. It also didn't mention using multiple probes to cover the entire area of a system, or how to deal with red scanning rings.
As effective as it is, it didn't cover all the possibilities that a probe user can encounter.
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Alerion
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2009.12.23 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Alerion on 23/12/2009 22:30:49
I was too mesmerized by StevieSG's voice to actually learn anything about scanning but it seemed to make sense.
(Although I'm sure StevieSG can make anyhing sound like it makes sense)
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Oasio
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Posted - 2009.12.24 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Oasio on 24/12/2009 04:50:06
Very well done, except for a few details.
(3 probe ?)
One detail not spoken of in previous post :
You really should always bookmark a WH before jumping through.
And right after.
It is unrelated to probing, but perhaps it should be mentionned.
Oasio
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Sob echo
Caldari
Orbital Drilling and Scientific Technologies
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.12.24 05:30:00 -
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I watched the video. I noticed the best way to understand it is to just watch the video, get the idea or jist of it, then go out and play around with it in a high sec system. Thats what I did.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
JotunHeim Hird
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Posted - 2009.12.26 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
4. nothing was explained about the "distance" column and it was totally ignored :/ btw i use this method also and totally ignore the distance column but an official tutorial shouldnt.
I never used the distance column. I don't see what good it does, to be honest.
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Dirk MacGirk
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Posted - 2009.12.26 17:34:00 -
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Nice job. I'd say its less of a beginners guide, and more for those who already know the interface, but it did help me. I used to use just 4 probes. Launch one, then a second, get the red ring, then a third to obtain a red dot, then a fourth to get the hit. Reducing the radius along the way. But the use of the 5th probe, and the ease of just moving the other 4 to neatly overlap the first by quadrants, has really made the overall process faster and simpler. Launch, set overlaps, scan, reduce radius, rinse and repeat. My scan time has probably been cut in half. I'm no master scanner by any means, so maybe others just have their ways that work for them. But using that 5th probe has really made scanner much easier for me. Overall a good tutorial if you're relatively new or dont scan for a living.
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Bel Rigean
Gallente
GoldLeaf Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Bel Rigean on 28/12/2009 19:18:10
Originally by: Nukleanis
The tutorial didn't mention that the probe was placed in the center of a system, only that a probe was dropped. It also didn't mention using multiple probes to cover the entire area of a system, or how to deal with red scanning rings.
1) The probe doesn't have to be placed in the middle of the system, but it's a good place to start. There are some systems that are too big for a probe to scan in one pass ever if it is set to 32 AU scanning range. Systems like that I scan in five passes. One scan with the probe in the middle, then one each at N, S, E, W sides of the system keeping the Sun in the scan range with each location. If any location gives me a hit, I'll zero in on those before completing the system search.
2) Treat the red rings the same way as the dots. Make sure each probe's scanning sphere completely encompassed the ring. You will be back to scanning dots in the next pass.
The method used in the video helped me reduce my scanning time to a fraction of what it once was. i no longer have to worry about probes timing out.
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.29 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lusulpher on 29/12/2009 02:28:19
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 18/12/2009 20:52:54
Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 18/12/2009 20:47:23
Originally by: Lufio II
You can do it with 3 probes, if you get the correct signal onto the same plane spanned out by the probes so that the two signals given by 3 probes basically merge. This step is not necessary with four probes as it eliminates the double entry, and as such it's much easier to track down.
I'd really like to see more solid evidence of this. I just tried it using three probes and all I get is a dual signature at 50% strength each. I do not think it is possible to get a warpable hit with only three probes. I think you need four.
Edit: I tried it again and it doesn't work.
I think this placement is as perfect as you can get.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0912/2009.12.18.20.40.26.jpg
From a purely geometric viewpoint the statement is correct, but the actual game mechanics doesn't allow it.
Confirming 3 is not possible, on Unstable Wormhole you get 3 probes to 1 signal at 99.9%, this happened to me last time I tried w-holing.
Be nice if they fixed that.
And that previous poster was right about this not being as detailed as it appears, newer players need to learn the UI buttons/arrows/HIDDEN TRIANGLES first.
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Ibn Ali
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Posted - 2009.12.31 13:19:00 -
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I have only positive feedback for the Scanning Guide Tutorial Video.
As far as I'am aware the video does not claim to be an in depth guide to all scanning proceedures, merely an introduction.
As introductions go its a very good one, enough information to make me curious enough to attempt scanning myself and timing the release with a Christmas Holiday offer of free 5 days was enough to prompt me to reactivate my account and give it a go - genious!!!
I have read some of the critisisms all of which may be valid, however a point that seems to have been missed; in order for people to make these informed critisizms they have themselves developed a real in-game skill at Scanning. The video cannot give you that (and it should'nt, it provides a good lead in to Scanning, its more difficult than it looks.
I look forward to gaining more experience and developing my own skill at scanning. Bottom line is..... IT WAS FUN!!! and gave me a sense of achievement.
Searched up a hidden Sancha Base (eventuallY) flew straight there in my Zephyr, nearly lost the damn ship within 20 seconds warped out- went back in a Battlecruiser and took some righteous revenge!!!
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Far Wanderer
Gallente
Dominium Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.01.02 12:19:00 -
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Too soon for a combat scanning probe tutorial? I'll take all the vids like this I can get.
I actually liked the tempo of the tutorial. No need to get too detailed in my opinion; I can figure out of the rest.
+1 to the person who suggested these vids be available in game.
I probably shouldn't have asked about a combat scanning tutorial, as I didn't know you could use the SHIFT key to move all the probes at once.
One change: Please edit the video to remind players to bookmark something before the go fly to it (or through it, in the case of a wormhole). Very. Important. Step. 
Time to break out my Zephyr and go scanning.
Thank you CCP!
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Kiki Wolfkin
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:53:00 -
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very helpful to a nub like me.  now to lvl up and try it.
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Mexbrutor
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Posted - 2010.01.04 23:18:00 -
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And bookmark..bookmark..bookmark..esp other side of wh and if you aaccidently close scanner u have to start all over again. |
xXxWardenMagenxXx
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Posted - 2010.01.19 12:43:00 -
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Only started scanning with ingame tutorial yesterday and found it a pain trying to nail the target as instructions not great. Without it being a spoon feed beginner guide, this one has been very useful and has reduced the time hugely. Question on using 5 probes. Is it worth deploying this many to start and then drop the centre one as your homing in?
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