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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:03:00 -
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Figured i'd write a summary of Aivonen battle here.
FC pinged that we had possible supercap kill coming (lies!) and was asking every swinging d.ck to join the fleet. I promtply left my soon to be ex-home in Tannolen and joined fleet. The target soon became clear. Our hated enemy Shadows of the Federation had a poco in Aivonen which Snuff box had reinforced.
I had witnessed day before in Tannolen how Sotf gang was killed by Snuff so my interest peaked. It also turned out we would not merely be a wild card but be temporarily blue to snuff for the fight. Caldari fleet soon numbered a solid 20+ bc/logi and random smaller boats (Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant) with more people joining.
It appeared that Sotf was merely baiting with several carriers on pantheon setup on poco, repairing each other. So it appeared situation would escalate. I logged on spy to gallente fleet comms. They were being told that gallente quite bluntly told they would be sacrificial lambs/meatshields to tackle Snuff machariels and would not expect any repairs from carriers. In addition, they would be helping Amarr wartargets.
Putting another spy in this comfirmed that Wolfsbrigade, the Amarr corp who had said they would not "shoot blues" outside of Nisuwa system occupancy was ready to join the fight in Okkamon.
Undeterred, caldari fleet moved into position and started pounding on the numerous archons and thannies on the field. I had to quench the urge to start laughing when enemy comms said "Primary Damar" and see hundreds of millions of isk worth of fighters/drones move on the my hapless drake, only to shot down by in glorious salvoes of heavy missile fire.
Situation then escalated and Snuff's allied supercapitals warped at range to hit at carriers. Unified Snuff/Caldari fleet finally started to break the repair cycles and one of the Sotf Archons piloted by Goddesshunter went down. I am also fairly sure another thanatos piloted by Nonah was hitting structure but it's fate seems uncertain. Maybe it got away then.
At this moment wolfsbrigade (c.ntsbrigade as some of their fellows in Amarr militi call them) decided to play their hand and their pilgrim appeared at the middle of the Caldari fleet. Since they were willing to help their designated war targets, he was promptly shot down before much harm could happen. Another cyno appeared and soon wolfsbrigade brought more carriers to field to save their "enemy" and attempt to snag the supercarriers.
At this moment, the gallente meatshield fleet also landed on field and caldari fleet warped out in apparent panic. This was not to be however as Caldari went to Akidagi gate where even more war target allies, in form of Shadow Cartel, were bringing in hictors to keep the supercarriers tackled. This was unacceptable and Caldari managed to intercepted these reinforcements. For reasons unknown, Cartel also cynoed in an Archon next to the gate.
Meanwhile in Poco, gallente meatshield fleet had been annihilated for a loss of few Snuff machariels (lots of pods went to akidagi). Supers had been safely removed from the field and it for some reason wolfsbrigade disappeared as well. Snuff warped in to shoot at shadow cartel archon while caldari brought their neuting battleships from reserve to suck it dry and archon soon died.
It was not over quite yet as two dreadnoughts from unified Amarr/Gallente fleet were still in poco. Both were tackled and drakes/machariels started ripping into them. A Moros belonging to Markonia Smith succeeded inself-destrcuting while on structure while Sotf Moros piloted by Mattheus Alixon did not and died in ball of fire.
After this, Sotf poco was taken down and field looted, after which temp blues with Snuff were dropped. Full report might be tad hard to find due to numerous combatants involved but kills in Aivonen in Eve-kill are here.
All in all it would appear the result was the following:
Friendly losses:
4 x machariel blackbird stabber manticore drake looting bestower killed after fightt (derp!)
Hostile losses were:
2 x Moros (1 self-destructed) 2 x Archon Faction fitted vindicator several hacs, recons and hictors 10 battlecruisers Frigs, cruisers, dessies... 1 x planetary customs office
This is how I saw the whole fight and if people can correct me on what happened with caldari side in comms, do say so. I was too busy lurking in enemy comms
Nice work from all included. Gallente/Amarr were no doubt expecting a triumphant smackdown on their part but in the end Snuff/Caldari held the field. Mad props to Snuff for it. Now we can go back to usual instalocking gate camps I quess |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:29:00 -
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From the Amarr militia perspective, several times on comms we made it clear that under no circumstances were we to engage the Caldari militia (excluding x13, who are allies of snuff box). This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari, and as such, would not face such concerted efforts from supposed allies to engage us and aid the pirates.
Damar, you are mistaken as usual. There was an opportunity to kill supercaps, unfortunately when given the option of engaging pirates fielding supercaps that have slaughtered the Caldari militia everyday for years, or to engage the Amarr militia, who have never engaged you, you chose the latter. Making our attempts at reconciliation futile. Even with the odds against us, we still had an opportunity to kill said supercaps, but when the Caldari milita began focusing down our cyno recons attempting to bring in more capital support, we had to disengage.
Reading between the lines (or just looking specifically at your posts Damar) its clear that you have had a long term agenda to create a divide between the Amarr militia and the Caldari, and a specific vitriol and hatred towards Wolfsbrigade.
Damar, as you are such an influence within the Caldari militia, we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future. Sad times indeed, but most likely you have achieved your goal, congratulations. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
66
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:35:00 -
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amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:37:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia. At no point did the the Amarr engage the Caldari. We were engaging snuff box. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:44:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia.
Who are you again? Whoever you are : reading comprehension 0/10
And also: moar targets \o/ |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:49:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Damar, as you are such an influence within the Caldari militia, we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future. Sad times indeed, but most likely you have achieved your goal, congratulations.
Few things:
1) I was not the FC
2) At no time FC said that we were not to shoot possible wbr ships coming to field. This was probably expected as wbr has already stated they value sotf (caldari enemy #1) more than even their fellow amarr militia.
3) Nobody from wbr convoed me at any point
4) Aside from Harroule bunker long long time ago, when has wbr helped Caldari?
5) Tthe opportunity to engage neutral supercaps was there. There was also opportunity to engage several ENEMY capitals from a sworn enemy. It seems Caldari sticked to their principles and chose the latter.
FC might clarify on these points though since this is all my own perspective.
D.R |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:59:00 -
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Your reply and failing attempts at justifying yourself deeply amuses me Damar:
1) nobody implied or cares whether you were FC or not;
2) ofc the FC didn't say that - because unlike us who clearly said on comms 'don't engage caldari' - the FC (whose name we both know) was drooling on getting some FATE/SOTF killmails, drooling so much in fact that supercap kills all of a sudden became irrelevant to him;
3) we always went from the premise, as obvious in previous statements, that unless caldari would have a go at flipping Nisuwa occupancy we'd not shoot them - clearly caldari never felt the same.
In fact, looking through eve-kill, no caldari ship was shot by any FATE/W-BR person, however our cyno's were immediately killed by caldari forces. Now, of course, you can pretend that we wanted to drop more caps on your kitchen-sink fleet and not on snuff supers and see who believes your political drivel.
4) I remember putting expensive things on the line many times for caldari (Harroule Bunker, SP-DR pos in enaluri which when you attempted to R/F it made yourselves look like clowns btw). Now when has caldari ever actually put anything on the line for us?
5) Neutral supercaps, yes absolutely. Neutral supercaps who are so neutral in fact that they have been slaughering you day in day out for years. But yeah neutral, absolutely. Also caps > supercaps everyday, all day.
No signing your post with your rank? Damar, son, i'm disappointed.
I mean honestly, if you want to shoot us, just let us know we'll be more than happy to oblige. More targets is more targets after all and you should know by now that we don't take this whole FW mechanics too seriously but rather fly and fight with friends and kill those who are not friends. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:02:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote: Few things:
1) I was not the FC
2) At no time FC said that we were not to shoot possible wbr ships coming to field. This was probably expected as wbr has already stated they value sotf (caldari enemy #1) more than even their fellow amarr militia.
3) Nobody from wbr convoed me at any point
4) Aside from Harroule bunker long long time ago, when has wbr helped Caldari?
5) Tthe opportunity to engage neutral supercaps was there. There was also opportunity to engage several ENEMY capitals from a sworn enemy. It seems Caldari sticked to their principles and chose the latter.
FC might clarify on these points though since this is all my own perspective.
D.R
These are convenient excuses. Unfortunately reconciliation requires some effort from both sides, as this will never be forthcoming while you are a prominent voice within the Caldari militia, we'll consider the matter closed.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:09:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:These are convenient excuses. Unfortunately reconciliation requires some effort from both sides, as this will never be forthcoming while you are a prominent voice within the Caldari militia, we'll consider the matter closed.
So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me. Especially since afterwards you invited me to your operations many times without a hint of malice and I was happy to help you and flew with you many times during my self-imposed Dal exile.
And here I thought I was just doing the carebeary plexing stuff and flying around in lol-boats.
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:13:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:
So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me.
Reading comprehension, again 0/10.
Newsflash as well, we never invited you because we thought your Scorpion might make the difference in the fight. When we did that, that simply went towards us trying to build bridges with Caldari militia. I'd check in with a pod-doctor: your selective memory and selective reading conditions are curable in New Eden these days.
As Rydal said, there's no need for you to fail any further at justifying yourself - for us the matter is closed. |
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Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:31:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Rydal32 wrote:These are convenient excuses. Unfortunately reconciliation requires some effort from both sides, as this will never be forthcoming while you are a prominent voice within the Caldari militia, we'll consider the matter closed. So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me. Especially since afterwards you invited me to your operations many times without a hint of malice and I was happy to help you and flew with you many times during my self-imposed Dal exile. And here I thought I was just doing the carebeary plexing stuff and flying around in lol-boats.
Indeed not, we have in-fact welcomed and prospered thanks to your help and advice in the past, and you were never a motivating factor for us leaving the Caldari militia. We have however become concerned about the anti-Wolfsbrigade propaganda that seems now to be high on your agenda (c.ntsbrigade).
The combined militia are on the verge of something potentially very potent, but mistrust and misunderstanding are the current barriers preventing the required cooperation, and recent events have led us to believe that we're further than ever to having the required relationship to work coherently together.
In the past, we have blue'd with pirates to shoot the Gallente and got slated for it, then we blue'd with war targets to kill pirates and got slated for it. We will not dock when we find a superior force, but solve the problem in ways we deem necessary, and don't intend to apologise for those actions.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:05:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:We have however become concerned about the anti-Wolfsbrigade propaganda that seems now to be high on your agenda (c.ntsbrigade).
The combined militia are on the verge of something potentially very potent, but mistrust and misunderstanding are the current barriers preventing the required cooperation, and recent events have led us to believe that we're further than ever to having the required relationship to work coherently together.
In the past, we have blue'd with pirates to shoot the Gallente and got slated for it, then we blue'd with war targets to kill pirates and got slated for it. We will not dock when we find a superior force, but solve the problem in ways we deem necessary, and don't intend to apologise for those actions.
That term was not invented by me but in fact by your fellow amarr militia members. I am merely reporting a fact and dont intend to farm the term any more than needed.
And in talks with you, a fellow Amarrian summarised the situation well I believe.
1: Snuff wants to kill Sotf Poco & capitals and readies their supercaps 2: Snuff asks if Caldari want to join the fun. Caldari say yes. 4: Sotf wants to defend pos and get super cap kills 5: Sotf asks wbr to come help them. 6: Sotf/wbr dont talk to Caldari about their plan. 7: Fight goes on, Snuff/Caldari engage Sotf. 8: Wbr lands on field. 9: Caldari must decide if they stick with the temp blues or be labeled as deal-breakers. 10: Caldari stick to their original promise, especially since NOBODY has convoed them about wbr's wishes beforehand 11: Supercapitals escape, several capitals die. 12: This thread gets started 13: Damar gets all the blame for what happened (wtf?)
So basicly, culture of no-communication prevailed and each side feel like robbed now.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
218
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:06:00 -
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Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)
All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors . |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:09:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)
All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors .
Hey, and it was not even started by my apparent butthurtiness (not a word I think). I just felt like writing a battlereport to train my rusty writing skills again.
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
11
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:10:00 -
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Nice work.
also lol at c.brigade trying and failing so hard at propaganda
n++[ 2012.06.15 13:03:15 ] sYnc Vir > shouldn't you be on the RP forums whining about pointless **** no one but you care about?
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Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:23:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:Nice work. also lol at c.brigade trying and failing so hard at propaganda n++[ 2012.06.15 13:03:15 ] sYnc Vir > shouldn't you be on the RP forums whining about pointless **** no one but you care about?
Who let you out of your box. shhh, children should be seen and not heard. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:28:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Lock out wrote:Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)
All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors . Hey, and it was not even started by my apparent butthurtiness (not a word I think). I just felt like writing a battlereport to train my rusty writing skills again.
Sorry, maybe I misinterpreted c.ntsbrigade then.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:31:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Sorry, maybe I misinterpreted c.ntsbrigade then.
I removed it already, out of respect.
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
57
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:25:00 -
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It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:29:00 -
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Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed.
sorry, but this really deserves a "u mad bro?" |
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
57
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:34:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. sorry, but this really deserves a "u mad bro?" You are clutching at straws if you think that cal mil will be swayed so easily into helping you out. I'm actually laughing, not mad. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
199
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:41:00 -
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Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp FW - Inferno is better, but you need to fix the NPCs and fix the plex bugs CCP |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:42:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Rydal32 wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. sorry, but this really deserves a "u mad bro?" You are clutching at straws if you think that cal mil will be swayed so easily into helping you out. I'm actually laughing, not mad.
I'll just have to accept that you may not be convinced. I'll learn to live with not being able to rely on your support, however devastating that may be. |
YORK CRAFT
KRAFTWERK
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:06:00 -
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SotF POCO takedown in Aivonen worked out as intended.
Snuff is a temp blue on certain caldari OPS. Thats tradition and no news. After, we KOS, thats tradition, also no news. So WBR needs not to do the maths if they see a combined Snuff/caldari fleet going for a WT POCO.
Best logical bet for WBR in that case: just stay out. Any kind of cyno not part of OPS is hostile ofc. (ironic input) Who am I telling this?
Your (WBR) outline : you wanted to aim on Snuff, at that given time a vital part of an caldari militia OPS, wings the caldari FC order to get rid of those cynos.
Everyone, whos not able to get behind that logic, just stay out of future (caldari/flashy pirate/ neutral caldari allies) joined OPS and political agreements pls. Understandable and easy as that. And I dont care who gave order to shoot friendlies, might it be in caldari fleet chat or Amarr or WBR chat.
All in all I take it as a wise move by WBR not to put more pressure on that OPS. Not bercause they couldnt, because they exactly knew what was going on.
Never the less, I take FGs given word not to shoot caldari, same as I gave mine. (there are always occations here and there pvps shooting blue, cause of not following orders, fked up overview and what not. Veterans know the never ending same old storys).
Aivonen is not Nisuwa. And even on WBRs politics towards SotFs Nisuwa Base : not shooting blue, but rerep, I completely disagree. And that has nothing to do with a potential given order by caldari to kill WBR when it comes to that point. But thats nothing for the forums.
WBR has its roots and has grown entirely out of caldari militia. And we all were proud of that. 90% of their members have been in my fleets, FG my wingcommander. There was never a complain from caldari militia side facing that kinda devastating drain. History tells : WBR have been friends within caldari militia long before they grow friends with SotF.
And you are all wrong. There have been many situations where Amarr, and also WBR, helped Caldari Militia and the other way round. I personaly initiated along with FG the WT slapd POS takedown in enaluri, that was a pain in the a$$. And Caldari Militia have not been "clowns", instead we fielded a 35 man BS heavy support fleet. And not long ago FG convoed me 2h before FW patch to save Kamela (was to late though to organise a propper Caldari Fleet) but reinforcements have been send ofc. I could also call that : wtf WBR "what clowns". But I didnt.
I for one, appriciate on high grade Damars efforts. Without him we, Caldari Milita, would have been in the same devastating situation like Amarr is right now. Instead we took 18 systems, lost 6 upfront patch, cause me and Damar saw it coming (no reset). I promised him Intaki at that time, and he came back. Me and IBS (Hidden Snake) promised Bad Messenger Ladistier, and he came back.
WBR dont underestimate the power of sheer membership numbers within a militia. You should have been aware of that, cause you once was a vital part of the uber Caldari Militia at that time. Its not all about CAPs. Gals already learned that lesson twice.
Im looking forward to our privat convo FG.
York Craft
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
254
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:16:00 -
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Do you know what a ****-barometer is? It measures the ****-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of ****... ... |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:24:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp
We have been for the past few weeks and yet we are still taking systems and still holding onto our space. How is it that the "leaders" and the "best" Amarr FW corp have the time and resources to fly all the way to Caldari FW space to assist the enemy of their sister militia yet do not have the ability to re concur their own space?
It was known for quite a while that once the Caldari militia engaged in Sov warfare in Nisawa that we would be presented with the possibility of friendly Amarr militia members on the field activly assisting our enemy. This understanding was from WBR's own statements time and again along with the assurance that they would not help the Gallente outside of that system. Yet here you are activily assisting an enemy of the Caldari outside of Nisawa and the best excuse you can find is that you were helping to rid us of Snuff.
I hate to burst your bubble but Snuff Box has done more for the Caldari milita than all of the Amarr militia put together, instead of you showing up to assist the enemy and help kill your friendly militia under the guise of "helping your best friends" if you want to help them why not join the minni's or Gallente militias so you can actually help them instead of constantly proving to your friendly militia members that you cannot be trusted. I for one know that the majority of the Caldari milita does not want your help and can promise that if you show up on the field of battle with the Gallente that you will be killed right along with them. Since you have little to no respect for your friendly militia why should we have any for you.
As for this idea that we need to be friends and accept it because the big bad minni blob will come take our space if you fall I only have one question. While we fight both militia's will the Amarr finally make an effort to dig themselves out of the hole they are in or will they just come remote rep both the minni's and the Gal's? |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
94
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:27:00 -
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YORK CRAFT wrote:SotF POCO takedown in Aivonen worked out as intended.
Snuff is a temp blue on certain caldari OPS. Thats tradition and no news. After, we KOS, thats tradition, also no news. So WBR needs not to do the maths if they see a combined Snuff/caldari fleet going for a WT POCO.
Best logical bet for WBR in that case: just stay out. Any kind of cyno not part of OPS is hostile ofc. (ironic input) Who am I telling this?
Your (WBR) outline : you wanted to aim on Snuff, at that given time a vital part of an caldari militia OPS, wings the caldari FC order to get rid of those cynos.
Everyone, whos not able to get behind that logic, just stay out of future (caldari/flashy pirate/ neutral caldari allies) joined OPS and political agreements pls. Understandable and easy as that. And I dont care who gave order to shoot friendlies, might it be in caldari fleet chat or Amarr or WBR chat.
All in all I take it as a wise move by WBR not to put more pressure on that OPS. Not bercause they couldnt, because they exactly knew what was going on.
Never the less, I take FGs given word not to shoot caldari, same as I gave mine. (there are always occations here and there pvps shooting blue, cause of not following orders, fked up overview and what not. Veterans know the never ending same old storys).
Aivonen is not Nisuwa. And even on WBRs politics towards SotFs Nisuwa Base : not shooting blue, but rerep, I completely disagree. And that has nothing to do with a potential given order by caldari to kill WBR when it comes to that point. But thats nothing for the forums.
WBR has its roots and has grown entirely out of caldari militia. And we all were proud of that. 90% of their members have been in my fleets, FG my wingcommander. There was never a complain from caldari militia side facing that kinda devastating drain. History tells : WBR have been friends within caldari militia long before they grow friends with SotF.
And you are all wrong. There have been many situations where Amarr, and also WBR, helped Caldari Militia and the other way round. I personaly initiated along with FG the WT slapd POS takedown in enaluri, that was a pain in the a$$. And Caldari Militia have not been "clowns", instead we fielded a 35 man BS heavy support fleet. And not long ago FG convoed me 2h before FW patch to save Kamela (was to late though to organise a propper Caldari Fleet) but reinforcements have been send ofc. I could also call that : wtf WBR "what clowns". But I didnt.
I for one, appriciate on high grade Damars efforts. Without him we, Caldari Milita, would have been in the same devastating situation like Amarr is right now. Instead we took 18 systems, lost 6 upfront patch, cause me and Damar saw it coming (no reset). I promised him Intaki at that time, and he came back. Me and IBS (Hidden Snake) promised Bad Messenger Ladistier, and he came back.
WBR dont underestimate the power of sheer membership numbers within a militia. You should have been aware of that, cause you once was a vital part of the uber Caldari Militia at that time. Its not all about CAPs. Gals already learned that lesson twice.
Im looking forward to our privat convo FG.
York Craft
Whenever you're ready please go join them.
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BolsterBomb
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Gunthar X wrote:Har Harrison wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp We have been for the past few weeks and yet we are still taking systems and still holding onto our space. How is it that the "leaders" and the "best" Amarr FW corp have the time and resources to fly all the way to Caldari FW space to assist the enemy of their sister militia yet do not have the ability to re concur their own space? It was known for quite a while that once the Caldari militia engaged in Sov warfare in Nisawa that we would be presented with the possibility of friendly Amarr militia members on the field activly assisting our enemy. This understanding was from WBR's own statements time and again along with the assurance that they would not help the Gallente outside of that system. Yet here you are activily assisting an enemy of the Caldari outside of Nisawa and the best excuse you can find is that you were helping to rid us of Snuff. I hate to burst your bubble but Snuff Box has done more for the Caldari milita than all of the Amarr militia put together, instead of you showing up to assist the enemy and help kill your friendly militia under the guise of "helping your best friends" if you want to help them why not join the minni's or Gallente militias so you can actually help them instead of constantly proving to your friendly militia members that you cannot be trusted. I for one know that the majority of the Caldari milita does not want your help and can promise that if you show up on the field of battle with the Gallente that you will be killed right along with them. Since you have little to no respect for your friendly militia why should we have any for you. As for this idea that we need to be friends and accept it because the big bad minni blob will come take our space if you fall I only have one question. While we fight both militia's will the Amarr finally make an effort to dig themselves out of the hole they are in or will they just come remote rep both the minni's and the Gal's?
QFT we will deal with the minnie farmers if we have to. WBR imo is just a bunch of emo butt buddies that is seeing their homelands burn and women raped. Now they are trying to propgandize anything they can in the hopes cal mil will come help them
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
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I was also told in conversation that wbr was not even aware that Caldari was on the field or helping Snuff. Yet, I heard clearly in enemy comms when it was said "Squids are on the field and not shooting Snuff".
Now, I am not an expert but if you have covert ops alt, watching the battle for 20-30 minutes and during all that time, the drake swarm only unloads missiles at gallente carriers, you MIGHT make a quess that "perhaps these guys are working together".
I dont think anyone can be that dump so I only quess that Wbr was lured into the operation with express intention by the gallente to get into friendly fire incident with all the ensuing shitstorm. If we take wbr's word for it that they didnt know Caldari were on the field or blue to Snuff.
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Mutnin
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Wolfsbrigade sounds like they believe their BS as much as SoTF when they tried to feed same crap the Minmatars.
I will make it very easy for you guys. We know you are BFF's and are gonna assist each other. You play the crap game mechanics to support each other knowing we have to go GCC & take faction standings loss with Amarr same as SotF plays same forcing Minmatar to take GCC/ faction standings loss.
Guess what We don't care what you want to spew or what you want to believe, we are just going to shoot you when you stick your noses in our fights to assist our enemies.
Far as the fight, it was pretty fun and played out pretty well. Our Caldari gang had to for-go getting more kills of the Gallente support gang that showed up mid fight in order to keep Shadow Cartel from tackling the supers. It was pretty much the exact time the Gal sub cap fleet landed on grid that we went to Akadgi gate to catch a crap-load of Shadow Cartel Heavy Dics.
I think our move to the gate to catch the Shadow Cartel gang kept that fight from potentially turning bad, it meant a lot less KM's for us but it kept a lot of Heavy Dics off the field and SC couldn't add their forces to the main fight. I have no idea what support they intended to cyno in, but we caught & killed their main FC on the gate as well as a few others and for what ever reason they popped their cyno on the gate but only dropped 1 or 2 Arcons.
Anyway props to everyone & GF. Wolfsbrigade, just stop, we don't believe your mouth breathing, so just give it a rest.. We know you are BFF's with SoTF we know you are going to assist them over all others so why try to convince your selves, that you are somehow friendly to the rest of your Amarrian Bro serfs & us Caldari? |
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