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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:03:00 -
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Figured i'd write a summary of Aivonen battle here.
FC pinged that we had possible supercap kill coming (lies!) and was asking every swinging d.ck to join the fleet. I promtply left my soon to be ex-home in Tannolen and joined fleet. The target soon became clear. Our hated enemy Shadows of the Federation had a poco in Aivonen which Snuff box had reinforced.
I had witnessed day before in Tannolen how Sotf gang was killed by Snuff so my interest peaked. It also turned out we would not merely be a wild card but be temporarily blue to snuff for the fight. Caldari fleet soon numbered a solid 20+ bc/logi and random smaller boats (Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant) with more people joining.
It appeared that Sotf was merely baiting with several carriers on pantheon setup on poco, repairing each other. So it appeared situation would escalate. I logged on spy to gallente fleet comms. They were being told that gallente quite bluntly told they would be sacrificial lambs/meatshields to tackle Snuff machariels and would not expect any repairs from carriers. In addition, they would be helping Amarr wartargets.
Putting another spy in this comfirmed that Wolfsbrigade, the Amarr corp who had said they would not "shoot blues" outside of Nisuwa system occupancy was ready to join the fight in Okkamon.
Undeterred, caldari fleet moved into position and started pounding on the numerous archons and thannies on the field. I had to quench the urge to start laughing when enemy comms said "Primary Damar" and see hundreds of millions of isk worth of fighters/drones move on the my hapless drake, only to shot down by in glorious salvoes of heavy missile fire.
Situation then escalated and Snuff's allied supercapitals warped at range to hit at carriers. Unified Snuff/Caldari fleet finally started to break the repair cycles and one of the Sotf Archons piloted by Goddesshunter went down. I am also fairly sure another thanatos piloted by Nonah was hitting structure but it's fate seems uncertain. Maybe it got away then.
At this moment wolfsbrigade (c.ntsbrigade as some of their fellows in Amarr militi call them) decided to play their hand and their pilgrim appeared at the middle of the Caldari fleet. Since they were willing to help their designated war targets, he was promptly shot down before much harm could happen. Another cyno appeared and soon wolfsbrigade brought more carriers to field to save their "enemy" and attempt to snag the supercarriers.
At this moment, the gallente meatshield fleet also landed on field and caldari fleet warped out in apparent panic. This was not to be however as Caldari went to Akidagi gate where even more war target allies, in form of Shadow Cartel, were bringing in hictors to keep the supercarriers tackled. This was unacceptable and Caldari managed to intercepted these reinforcements. For reasons unknown, Cartel also cynoed in an Archon next to the gate.
Meanwhile in Poco, gallente meatshield fleet had been annihilated for a loss of few Snuff machariels (lots of pods went to akidagi). Supers had been safely removed from the field and it for some reason wolfsbrigade disappeared as well. Snuff warped in to shoot at shadow cartel archon while caldari brought their neuting battleships from reserve to suck it dry and archon soon died.
It was not over quite yet as two dreadnoughts from unified Amarr/Gallente fleet were still in poco. Both were tackled and drakes/machariels started ripping into them. A Moros belonging to Markonia Smith succeeded inself-destrcuting while on structure while Sotf Moros piloted by Mattheus Alixon did not and died in ball of fire.
After this, Sotf poco was taken down and field looted, after which temp blues with Snuff were dropped. Full report might be tad hard to find due to numerous combatants involved but kills in Aivonen in Eve-kill are here.
All in all it would appear the result was the following:
Friendly losses:
4 x machariel blackbird stabber manticore drake looting bestower killed after fightt (derp!)
Hostile losses were:
2 x Moros (1 self-destructed) 2 x Archon Faction fitted vindicator several hacs, recons and hictors 10 battlecruisers Frigs, cruisers, dessies... 1 x planetary customs office
This is how I saw the whole fight and if people can correct me on what happened with caldari side in comms, do say so. I was too busy lurking in enemy comms
Nice work from all included. Gallente/Amarr were no doubt expecting a triumphant smackdown on their part but in the end Snuff/Caldari held the field. Mad props to Snuff for it. Now we can go back to usual instalocking gate camps I quess |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:29:00 -
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From the Amarr militia perspective, several times on comms we made it clear that under no circumstances were we to engage the Caldari militia (excluding x13, who are allies of snuff box). This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari, and as such, would not face such concerted efforts from supposed allies to engage us and aid the pirates.
Damar, you are mistaken as usual. There was an opportunity to kill supercaps, unfortunately when given the option of engaging pirates fielding supercaps that have slaughtered the Caldari militia everyday for years, or to engage the Amarr militia, who have never engaged you, you chose the latter. Making our attempts at reconciliation futile. Even with the odds against us, we still had an opportunity to kill said supercaps, but when the Caldari milita began focusing down our cyno recons attempting to bring in more capital support, we had to disengage.
Reading between the lines (or just looking specifically at your posts Damar) its clear that you have had a long term agenda to create a divide between the Amarr militia and the Caldari, and a specific vitriol and hatred towards Wolfsbrigade.
Damar, as you are such an influence within the Caldari militia, we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future. Sad times indeed, but most likely you have achieved your goal, congratulations. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
66
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:35:00 -
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amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:37:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia. At no point did the the Amarr engage the Caldari. We were engaging snuff box. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:44:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia.
Who are you again? Whoever you are : reading comprehension 0/10
And also: moar targets \o/ |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:49:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Damar, as you are such an influence within the Caldari militia, we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future. Sad times indeed, but most likely you have achieved your goal, congratulations.
Few things:
1) I was not the FC
2) At no time FC said that we were not to shoot possible wbr ships coming to field. This was probably expected as wbr has already stated they value sotf (caldari enemy #1) more than even their fellow amarr militia.
3) Nobody from wbr convoed me at any point
4) Aside from Harroule bunker long long time ago, when has wbr helped Caldari?
5) Tthe opportunity to engage neutral supercaps was there. There was also opportunity to engage several ENEMY capitals from a sworn enemy. It seems Caldari sticked to their principles and chose the latter.
FC might clarify on these points though since this is all my own perspective.
D.R |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:59:00 -
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Your reply and failing attempts at justifying yourself deeply amuses me Damar:
1) nobody implied or cares whether you were FC or not;
2) ofc the FC didn't say that - because unlike us who clearly said on comms 'don't engage caldari' - the FC (whose name we both know) was drooling on getting some FATE/SOTF killmails, drooling so much in fact that supercap kills all of a sudden became irrelevant to him;
3) we always went from the premise, as obvious in previous statements, that unless caldari would have a go at flipping Nisuwa occupancy we'd not shoot them - clearly caldari never felt the same.
In fact, looking through eve-kill, no caldari ship was shot by any FATE/W-BR person, however our cyno's were immediately killed by caldari forces. Now, of course, you can pretend that we wanted to drop more caps on your kitchen-sink fleet and not on snuff supers and see who believes your political drivel.
4) I remember putting expensive things on the line many times for caldari (Harroule Bunker, SP-DR pos in enaluri which when you attempted to R/F it made yourselves look like clowns btw). Now when has caldari ever actually put anything on the line for us?
5) Neutral supercaps, yes absolutely. Neutral supercaps who are so neutral in fact that they have been slaughering you day in day out for years. But yeah neutral, absolutely. Also caps > supercaps everyday, all day.
No signing your post with your rank? Damar, son, i'm disappointed.
I mean honestly, if you want to shoot us, just let us know we'll be more than happy to oblige. More targets is more targets after all and you should know by now that we don't take this whole FW mechanics too seriously but rather fly and fight with friends and kill those who are not friends. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:02:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote: Few things:
1) I was not the FC
2) At no time FC said that we were not to shoot possible wbr ships coming to field. This was probably expected as wbr has already stated they value sotf (caldari enemy #1) more than even their fellow amarr militia.
3) Nobody from wbr convoed me at any point
4) Aside from Harroule bunker long long time ago, when has wbr helped Caldari?
5) Tthe opportunity to engage neutral supercaps was there. There was also opportunity to engage several ENEMY capitals from a sworn enemy. It seems Caldari sticked to their principles and chose the latter.
FC might clarify on these points though since this is all my own perspective.
D.R
These are convenient excuses. Unfortunately reconciliation requires some effort from both sides, as this will never be forthcoming while you are a prominent voice within the Caldari militia, we'll consider the matter closed.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:09:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:These are convenient excuses. Unfortunately reconciliation requires some effort from both sides, as this will never be forthcoming while you are a prominent voice within the Caldari militia, we'll consider the matter closed.
So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me. Especially since afterwards you invited me to your operations many times without a hint of malice and I was happy to help you and flew with you many times during my self-imposed Dal exile.
And here I thought I was just doing the carebeary plexing stuff and flying around in lol-boats.
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:13:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:
So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me.
Reading comprehension, again 0/10.
Newsflash as well, we never invited you because we thought your Scorpion might make the difference in the fight. When we did that, that simply went towards us trying to build bridges with Caldari militia. I'd check in with a pod-doctor: your selective memory and selective reading conditions are curable in New Eden these days.
As Rydal said, there's no need for you to fail any further at justifying yourself - for us the matter is closed. |
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Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:31:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Rydal32 wrote:These are convenient excuses. Unfortunately reconciliation requires some effort from both sides, as this will never be forthcoming while you are a prominent voice within the Caldari militia, we'll consider the matter closed. So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me. Especially since afterwards you invited me to your operations many times without a hint of malice and I was happy to help you and flew with you many times during my self-imposed Dal exile. And here I thought I was just doing the carebeary plexing stuff and flying around in lol-boats.
Indeed not, we have in-fact welcomed and prospered thanks to your help and advice in the past, and you were never a motivating factor for us leaving the Caldari militia. We have however become concerned about the anti-Wolfsbrigade propaganda that seems now to be high on your agenda (c.ntsbrigade).
The combined militia are on the verge of something potentially very potent, but mistrust and misunderstanding are the current barriers preventing the required cooperation, and recent events have led us to believe that we're further than ever to having the required relationship to work coherently together.
In the past, we have blue'd with pirates to shoot the Gallente and got slated for it, then we blue'd with war targets to kill pirates and got slated for it. We will not dock when we find a superior force, but solve the problem in ways we deem necessary, and don't intend to apologise for those actions.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:05:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:We have however become concerned about the anti-Wolfsbrigade propaganda that seems now to be high on your agenda (c.ntsbrigade).
The combined militia are on the verge of something potentially very potent, but mistrust and misunderstanding are the current barriers preventing the required cooperation, and recent events have led us to believe that we're further than ever to having the required relationship to work coherently together.
In the past, we have blue'd with pirates to shoot the Gallente and got slated for it, then we blue'd with war targets to kill pirates and got slated for it. We will not dock when we find a superior force, but solve the problem in ways we deem necessary, and don't intend to apologise for those actions.
That term was not invented by me but in fact by your fellow amarr militia members. I am merely reporting a fact and dont intend to farm the term any more than needed.
And in talks with you, a fellow Amarrian summarised the situation well I believe.
1: Snuff wants to kill Sotf Poco & capitals and readies their supercaps 2: Snuff asks if Caldari want to join the fun. Caldari say yes. 4: Sotf wants to defend pos and get super cap kills 5: Sotf asks wbr to come help them. 6: Sotf/wbr dont talk to Caldari about their plan. 7: Fight goes on, Snuff/Caldari engage Sotf. 8: Wbr lands on field. 9: Caldari must decide if they stick with the temp blues or be labeled as deal-breakers. 10: Caldari stick to their original promise, especially since NOBODY has convoed them about wbr's wishes beforehand 11: Supercapitals escape, several capitals die. 12: This thread gets started 13: Damar gets all the blame for what happened (wtf?)
So basicly, culture of no-communication prevailed and each side feel like robbed now.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
218
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:06:00 -
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Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)
All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors . |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:09:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)
All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors .
Hey, and it was not even started by my apparent butthurtiness (not a word I think). I just felt like writing a battlereport to train my rusty writing skills again.
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
11
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:10:00 -
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Nice work.
also lol at c.brigade trying and failing so hard at propaganda
n++[ 2012.06.15 13:03:15 ] sYnc Vir > shouldn't you be on the RP forums whining about pointless **** no one but you care about?
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Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:23:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:Nice work. also lol at c.brigade trying and failing so hard at propaganda n++[ 2012.06.15 13:03:15 ] sYnc Vir > shouldn't you be on the RP forums whining about pointless **** no one but you care about?
Who let you out of your box. shhh, children should be seen and not heard. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:28:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Lock out wrote:Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)
All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors . Hey, and it was not even started by my apparent butthurtiness (not a word I think). I just felt like writing a battlereport to train my rusty writing skills again.
Sorry, maybe I misinterpreted c.ntsbrigade then.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
14
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:31:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Sorry, maybe I misinterpreted c.ntsbrigade then.
I removed it already, out of respect.
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
57
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:25:00 -
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It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:29:00 -
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Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed.
sorry, but this really deserves a "u mad bro?" |
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
57
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:34:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. sorry, but this really deserves a "u mad bro?" You are clutching at straws if you think that cal mil will be swayed so easily into helping you out. I'm actually laughing, not mad. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
199
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:41:00 -
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Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp FW - Inferno is better, but you need to fix the NPCs and fix the plex bugs CCP |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:42:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Rydal32 wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. sorry, but this really deserves a "u mad bro?" You are clutching at straws if you think that cal mil will be swayed so easily into helping you out. I'm actually laughing, not mad.
I'll just have to accept that you may not be convinced. I'll learn to live with not being able to rely on your support, however devastating that may be. |
YORK CRAFT
KRAFTWERK
3
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:06:00 -
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SotF POCO takedown in Aivonen worked out as intended.
Snuff is a temp blue on certain caldari OPS. Thats tradition and no news. After, we KOS, thats tradition, also no news. So WBR needs not to do the maths if they see a combined Snuff/caldari fleet going for a WT POCO.
Best logical bet for WBR in that case: just stay out. Any kind of cyno not part of OPS is hostile ofc. (ironic input) Who am I telling this?
Your (WBR) outline : you wanted to aim on Snuff, at that given time a vital part of an caldari militia OPS, wings the caldari FC order to get rid of those cynos.
Everyone, whos not able to get behind that logic, just stay out of future (caldari/flashy pirate/ neutral caldari allies) joined OPS and political agreements pls. Understandable and easy as that. And I dont care who gave order to shoot friendlies, might it be in caldari fleet chat or Amarr or WBR chat.
All in all I take it as a wise move by WBR not to put more pressure on that OPS. Not bercause they couldnt, because they exactly knew what was going on.
Never the less, I take FGs given word not to shoot caldari, same as I gave mine. (there are always occations here and there pvps shooting blue, cause of not following orders, fked up overview and what not. Veterans know the never ending same old storys).
Aivonen is not Nisuwa. And even on WBRs politics towards SotFs Nisuwa Base : not shooting blue, but rerep, I completely disagree. And that has nothing to do with a potential given order by caldari to kill WBR when it comes to that point. But thats nothing for the forums.
WBR has its roots and has grown entirely out of caldari militia. And we all were proud of that. 90% of their members have been in my fleets, FG my wingcommander. There was never a complain from caldari militia side facing that kinda devastating drain. History tells : WBR have been friends within caldari militia long before they grow friends with SotF.
And you are all wrong. There have been many situations where Amarr, and also WBR, helped Caldari Militia and the other way round. I personaly initiated along with FG the WT slapd POS takedown in enaluri, that was a pain in the a$$. And Caldari Militia have not been "clowns", instead we fielded a 35 man BS heavy support fleet. And not long ago FG convoed me 2h before FW patch to save Kamela (was to late though to organise a propper Caldari Fleet) but reinforcements have been send ofc. I could also call that : wtf WBR "what clowns". But I didnt.
I for one, appriciate on high grade Damars efforts. Without him we, Caldari Milita, would have been in the same devastating situation like Amarr is right now. Instead we took 18 systems, lost 6 upfront patch, cause me and Damar saw it coming (no reset). I promised him Intaki at that time, and he came back. Me and IBS (Hidden Snake) promised Bad Messenger Ladistier, and he came back.
WBR dont underestimate the power of sheer membership numbers within a militia. You should have been aware of that, cause you once was a vital part of the uber Caldari Militia at that time. Its not all about CAPs. Gals already learned that lesson twice.
Im looking forward to our privat convo FG.
York Craft
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
254
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:16:00 -
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Do you know what a ****-barometer is? It measures the ****-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of ****... ... |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:24:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp
We have been for the past few weeks and yet we are still taking systems and still holding onto our space. How is it that the "leaders" and the "best" Amarr FW corp have the time and resources to fly all the way to Caldari FW space to assist the enemy of their sister militia yet do not have the ability to re concur their own space?
It was known for quite a while that once the Caldari militia engaged in Sov warfare in Nisawa that we would be presented with the possibility of friendly Amarr militia members on the field activly assisting our enemy. This understanding was from WBR's own statements time and again along with the assurance that they would not help the Gallente outside of that system. Yet here you are activily assisting an enemy of the Caldari outside of Nisawa and the best excuse you can find is that you were helping to rid us of Snuff.
I hate to burst your bubble but Snuff Box has done more for the Caldari milita than all of the Amarr militia put together, instead of you showing up to assist the enemy and help kill your friendly militia under the guise of "helping your best friends" if you want to help them why not join the minni's or Gallente militias so you can actually help them instead of constantly proving to your friendly militia members that you cannot be trusted. I for one know that the majority of the Caldari milita does not want your help and can promise that if you show up on the field of battle with the Gallente that you will be killed right along with them. Since you have little to no respect for your friendly militia why should we have any for you.
As for this idea that we need to be friends and accept it because the big bad minni blob will come take our space if you fall I only have one question. While we fight both militia's will the Amarr finally make an effort to dig themselves out of the hole they are in or will they just come remote rep both the minni's and the Gal's? |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
94
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:27:00 -
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YORK CRAFT wrote:SotF POCO takedown in Aivonen worked out as intended.
Snuff is a temp blue on certain caldari OPS. Thats tradition and no news. After, we KOS, thats tradition, also no news. So WBR needs not to do the maths if they see a combined Snuff/caldari fleet going for a WT POCO.
Best logical bet for WBR in that case: just stay out. Any kind of cyno not part of OPS is hostile ofc. (ironic input) Who am I telling this?
Your (WBR) outline : you wanted to aim on Snuff, at that given time a vital part of an caldari militia OPS, wings the caldari FC order to get rid of those cynos.
Everyone, whos not able to get behind that logic, just stay out of future (caldari/flashy pirate/ neutral caldari allies) joined OPS and political agreements pls. Understandable and easy as that. And I dont care who gave order to shoot friendlies, might it be in caldari fleet chat or Amarr or WBR chat.
All in all I take it as a wise move by WBR not to put more pressure on that OPS. Not bercause they couldnt, because they exactly knew what was going on.
Never the less, I take FGs given word not to shoot caldari, same as I gave mine. (there are always occations here and there pvps shooting blue, cause of not following orders, fked up overview and what not. Veterans know the never ending same old storys).
Aivonen is not Nisuwa. And even on WBRs politics towards SotFs Nisuwa Base : not shooting blue, but rerep, I completely disagree. And that has nothing to do with a potential given order by caldari to kill WBR when it comes to that point. But thats nothing for the forums.
WBR has its roots and has grown entirely out of caldari militia. And we all were proud of that. 90% of their members have been in my fleets, FG my wingcommander. There was never a complain from caldari militia side facing that kinda devastating drain. History tells : WBR have been friends within caldari militia long before they grow friends with SotF.
And you are all wrong. There have been many situations where Amarr, and also WBR, helped Caldari Militia and the other way round. I personaly initiated along with FG the WT slapd POS takedown in enaluri, that was a pain in the a$$. And Caldari Militia have not been "clowns", instead we fielded a 35 man BS heavy support fleet. And not long ago FG convoed me 2h before FW patch to save Kamela (was to late though to organise a propper Caldari Fleet) but reinforcements have been send ofc. I could also call that : wtf WBR "what clowns". But I didnt.
I for one, appriciate on high grade Damars efforts. Without him we, Caldari Milita, would have been in the same devastating situation like Amarr is right now. Instead we took 18 systems, lost 6 upfront patch, cause me and Damar saw it coming (no reset). I promised him Intaki at that time, and he came back. Me and IBS (Hidden Snake) promised Bad Messenger Ladistier, and he came back.
WBR dont underestimate the power of sheer membership numbers within a militia. You should have been aware of that, cause you once was a vital part of the uber Caldari Militia at that time. Its not all about CAPs. Gals already learned that lesson twice.
Im looking forward to our privat convo FG.
York Craft
Whenever you're ready please go join them.
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:28:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:Har Harrison wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp We have been for the past few weeks and yet we are still taking systems and still holding onto our space. How is it that the "leaders" and the "best" Amarr FW corp have the time and resources to fly all the way to Caldari FW space to assist the enemy of their sister militia yet do not have the ability to re concur their own space? It was known for quite a while that once the Caldari militia engaged in Sov warfare in Nisawa that we would be presented with the possibility of friendly Amarr militia members on the field activly assisting our enemy. This understanding was from WBR's own statements time and again along with the assurance that they would not help the Gallente outside of that system. Yet here you are activily assisting an enemy of the Caldari outside of Nisawa and the best excuse you can find is that you were helping to rid us of Snuff. I hate to burst your bubble but Snuff Box has done more for the Caldari milita than all of the Amarr militia put together, instead of you showing up to assist the enemy and help kill your friendly militia under the guise of "helping your best friends" if you want to help them why not join the minni's or Gallente militias so you can actually help them instead of constantly proving to your friendly militia members that you cannot be trusted. I for one know that the majority of the Caldari milita does not want your help and can promise that if you show up on the field of battle with the Gallente that you will be killed right along with them. Since you have little to no respect for your friendly militia why should we have any for you. As for this idea that we need to be friends and accept it because the big bad minni blob will come take our space if you fall I only have one question. While we fight both militia's will the Amarr finally make an effort to dig themselves out of the hole they are in or will they just come remote rep both the minni's and the Gal's?
QFT we will deal with the minnie farmers if we have to. WBR imo is just a bunch of emo butt buddies that is seeing their homelands burn and women raped. Now they are trying to propgandize anything they can in the hopes cal mil will come help them
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
16
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:32:00 -
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I was also told in conversation that wbr was not even aware that Caldari was on the field or helping Snuff. Yet, I heard clearly in enemy comms when it was said "Squids are on the field and not shooting Snuff".
Now, I am not an expert but if you have covert ops alt, watching the battle for 20-30 minutes and during all that time, the drake swarm only unloads missiles at gallente carriers, you MIGHT make a quess that "perhaps these guys are working together".
I dont think anyone can be that dump so I only quess that Wbr was lured into the operation with express intention by the gallente to get into friendly fire incident with all the ensuing shitstorm. If we take wbr's word for it that they didnt know Caldari were on the field or blue to Snuff.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:54:00 -
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Wolfsbrigade sounds like they believe their BS as much as SoTF when they tried to feed same crap the Minmatars.
I will make it very easy for you guys. We know you are BFF's and are gonna assist each other. You play the crap game mechanics to support each other knowing we have to go GCC & take faction standings loss with Amarr same as SotF plays same forcing Minmatar to take GCC/ faction standings loss.
Guess what We don't care what you want to spew or what you want to believe, we are just going to shoot you when you stick your noses in our fights to assist our enemies.
Far as the fight, it was pretty fun and played out pretty well. Our Caldari gang had to for-go getting more kills of the Gallente support gang that showed up mid fight in order to keep Shadow Cartel from tackling the supers. It was pretty much the exact time the Gal sub cap fleet landed on grid that we went to Akadgi gate to catch a crap-load of Shadow Cartel Heavy Dics.
I think our move to the gate to catch the Shadow Cartel gang kept that fight from potentially turning bad, it meant a lot less KM's for us but it kept a lot of Heavy Dics off the field and SC couldn't add their forces to the main fight. I have no idea what support they intended to cyno in, but we caught & killed their main FC on the gate as well as a few others and for what ever reason they popped their cyno on the gate but only dropped 1 or 2 Arcons.
Anyway props to everyone & GF. Wolfsbrigade, just stop, we don't believe your mouth breathing, so just give it a rest.. We know you are BFF's with SoTF we know you are going to assist them over all others so why try to convince your selves, that you are somehow friendly to the rest of your Amarrian Bro serfs & us Caldari? |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:05:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp
We already have no Amarr aside from WB whom we have to shoot at and Minmatar farmers all already over our space.. What else is new? We however haven't given up and are now beating the Gals & the hoards of 2 day old Minmatar alts back with heavy sticks.
I'd suggest that the rest of Amarr out side WB start doing their best to assist Caldari and making friends. We are winning our war slowly but surly and there will become a time you will eventually want support to help take back your space.
Do you think Wolfsbrigrade is gonna help you spin down all those timers? |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:19:00 -
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Sorry for shitting up a BR thread.
As for Mutnin, I'm not exactly sure what we've done to you. Keep chasing the 2 day old farmers, and we'll do our thing. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:24:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Sorry for shitting up a BR thread.
As for Mutnin, I'm not exactly sure what we've done to you. Keep chasing the 2 day old farmers, and we'll do our thing.
We are Caldari, you assist or enemies..1+1=2 just about anywhere,even in Kamela I hope.. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
70
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:33:00 -
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He just likes to drop a big stinky turd on every thread about FW.
Rydal32 wrote: As for Mutnin, I'm not exactly sure what we've done to you. Keep chasing the 2 day old farmers, and we'll do our thing.
Is sexy time? |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:58:00 -
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Mutinin is spot on Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:01:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:Sorry for shitting up a BR thread.
As for Mutnin, I'm not exactly sure what we've done to you. Keep chasing the 2 day old farmers, and we'll do our thing.
Maybe it was the fact that each time we engage the Gallente militia we have to keep tabs on our sister militia to make sure they don't join the fight and help our enemy.
Maybe it was the fact that we continually have to deal with a BS excuse from your group on why your helping OUR enemy militia to kill friendly militia members.
How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea. I wonder what the rest of the Caldari groups would think of that, maybe we should become best bros with someone like Late Night Alliance and help them finish you guys off. Just so you know we would only being repping them and would not actively engage you since your friendlies and we wouldn't want to kill friendlies only rep those that are.
The sad part is the OP wanted to lay out a great battle with solid tactics that resulted in the destruction of multiple caps, the fact that you showed up to assist our enemy once again and get upset when your not painted in the greatest of pictures was secondary and ultimately a small part of the overall battle. Now we have to listen to 3 pages of you guys telling the world how you were only there to help kill Snuff not to save your buddies and you were working in the best interests of the Caldari militia by helping the Gallente.. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:03:00 -
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Wait really? You mean you guys all think your winning?
BolsterBomb wrote:Mutinin is spot on
Is sexy time? |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:05:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down.
But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro - oh and don't forget to bring your Snuff overlords with you because i don't think your Drakes will make a dent. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:07:00 -
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No ~space-honoure~
- Capitol One. - Honourable spacewarrior
Edit:
Also, calling bullshit on all the rage that W-BR came to help SOTF kill Caldari pilots. W-BR was working with SOTF to killl Snuff and some Supercaps, may I remind you all that it was the Caldari militia that shot W-BR pilots, not the other way around.
So quit your whining, seriously. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
57
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:10:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down. But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro - oh and don't forget to bring your Snuff overlords with you because i don't think your Drakes will make a dent. And there you have it. A glimpse of the truth of what wolf wants. |
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:13:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Also caps > supercaps everyday, all day.
I agree. But enemy caps > supercaps in my book.
Unlike you, I dont have gallente friends (And I dont want them, past history and all that) and to me, destruction of my enemy trumps pretty much every other consideration. |
Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
215
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:15:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down. But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro - oh and don't forget to bring your Snuff overlords with you because i don't think your Drakes will make a dent. The Caldari owns caps, and the servers have yet to melt.
But what does a nullsec Indy toon/corp that builds and sells Caps all day know? "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:16:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down. But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro.
I hate to break this too you there home slice but your group is not the only one that has caps. We just rarely use them since using caps normally means a pirate or 0.0 group gets called to hot drop on them. Ask the Gallente what happens when you drop caps, I think they are up to 2 or 3 cap fleets dead. I will say in most cases they were good fights and I commend them for putting them on the field however if you drop caps you should always consider them lost.
I am sure the chest beating now is helping your groups case my question is did you stand up from your chair and pull your shirt off as you typed that?
We are not actively helping your enemy take your stuff even though we could yet you guys are constantly helping the Gallente fight us and the same with them helping you fight the Minni's I am just wondering how long it will be before both the Minni and Caldari get together and start killing both of you.
EDIT: since you decided to fix yours let me respond to that section. Since drakes are so useless how come 0.0 alliance use drake armies to **** and pillage. The main reason most Caldari FW fleets consist of more drakes is because that is something we have in abundance and most pilots can fly, do not think for a moment that we can only fly drakes besides from what I have seen of your fleets I would take our Drake army and FC's over anything you guys could possibly muster that and as soon as the minni's realize what is going on they will bring their blob to help kill you because of your last incident. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:26:00 -
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I think the amar just have **** fro brains.
Frozen Synapse came up and engaged us what happend...raped.....sound like WB might be next on the list. But then again they cant fight the minnies so they have to go somewhere.................... Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:27:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote: I am sure the chest beating now is helping your groups case my question is did you stand up from your chair and pull your shirt off as you typed that?
Not only did i pull my shirt off, i was bouncing my pec's too.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
219
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:30:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down. But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro - oh and don't forget to bring your Snuff overlords with you because i don't think your Drakes will make a dent. The Caldari owns caps, and the servers have yet to melt. But what does a nullsec Indy toon/corp that builds and sells Caps all day know?
Field, not own ... |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:38:00 -
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WOW! there's a huge amount of ego and alpha-male butthurt going on in FW these days!
I've flown alongside almost every older FW person regardless of their faction. I'm in it for the PVP.
SOME (not all) of the Amarr seem to think we care about the issues they are having with us. other Amarr don't care one way or another and will fly with us solely for the reason we all fleet up in the first place..... (to get kills).
Caldari are mis-informed apparently as they believe that their allegiance with or against us matters somehow.
Minmatar do what they can in the forums to provoke us into fighting (fact is, they only need to bring something decent to the fight and stick around, and we'll play).
Funny thing about this, is that the Gallente haven't chimed in yet, really.
Look boys, you all need to lose the ego AND the RP then we will all be able to play well in the sandbox. We've made some awesome friends that we have a solid, trusting relationship with, and who just so happen to be in Gallente militia....deal with it.
FW provides a significant amount of targets and ISK.....that's the bottom line for us. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:38:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down. But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro - oh and don't forget to bring your Snuff overlords with you because i don't think your Drakes will make a dent. The Caldari owns caps, and the servers have yet to melt. But what does a nullsec Indy toon/corp that builds and sells Caps all day know? Field, not own ...
Field them quite a bit actually we just don't hot drop every fleet and lose them constantly like you guys seem to. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:44:00 -
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Back to the point of the thread before all the drama.
This fleet was a great success and resulted in another Caldari victory, the war is going quite well with systems switching sides constantly and each side trying to out do the other through solid strategy and good fleets. Its a shame that these issues have been ruining an otherwise good conflict.
One can only hope that CCP can manage to put a more significant punishment for assisting enemy militia's and the other 50+ issues that FW currently has. Regardless of who benefits each militia should have an even playing field to start from and so far many of these issues are causing problems for various militias we can only hope that CCP takes a hard look at FW and evens everything out so its not a one sided conflict and both sides can sustain themselves and engage on equal footing even if it means we lose the war at least then the side that wins knows they won fairly without the exploiting of bugs and broken mechanics. |
Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
215
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:45:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:Lock out wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea.
The day Caldari are able field carriers the Eve servers will prolly melt down. But hey, put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro - oh and don't forget to bring your Snuff overlords with you because i don't think your Drakes will make a dent. The Caldari owns caps, and the servers have yet to melt. But what does a nullsec Indy toon/corp that builds and sells Caps all day know? Field, not own ... Field them quite a bit actually we just don't hot drop every fleet and lose them constantly like you guys seem to.
This is why sales have dropped...
"Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:45:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:Back to the point of the thread before all the drama.
This fleet was a great success and resulted in another Snuffbox victory
Fixed, props to Snuff by the way. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
219
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:
Field them quite a bit actually we just field them when it's an easy gank not risk them in proper fights where supers will drop.
Fixed that for you. Also -FU- has 22 dread kills and 22 carrier kills last month for the loss of 2 carriers and 3 dreads, so we're doing quite fine with kills and losses, thank you.
We're quite happy to field them and lose some when there's a gf , get new ones and get back at it. Unlike some drake lovers we're not poor scrubs coming in at range to ***** on mails and make chestebating posts about how relevant we were in our drakes in a fight won by a good arti mach setup with super support. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:49:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Gunthar X wrote:
Field them quite a bit actually we just field them when it's an easy gank not risk them in proper fights where supers will drop.
Fixed that for you. Also -FU- has 22 dread kills and 22 carrier kills last month for the loss of 2 carriers and 3 dreads, so we're doing quite fine with kills and losses, thank you. We're quite happy to field them and lose some when there's a gf , get new ones and get back at it. Unlike some drake lovers we're not poor scrubs coming in at range to ***** on mails and make chestebating posts about how relevant we were in our drakes in a fight won by a good arti mach setup with super support.
Stop talking about Chatgris' nano fleets like that!!! Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:02:00 -
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Since WBR was only there to help their friends I have a simple question. Once Snuff was dead and the Gallente fleet held the field were you going to assist the Caldari against the Gallente fleet or were you going to sit there and watch them die? Since you only help the group that are your best bud's would you have assisted the Caldari in killing everyone in that Gal fleet with the exception of your buddies or would you have stood by and watched them die?
I can accept the fact that you wanted to kill Snuff, since we fight them all the time, but the problem people in the Caldari and Minni militias have is that when we fight one of you two we never know when a friendly group is going to show up and help them kill us. Put yourselves in our position and think for a moment how you would feel if you were taking a key system such as Huola and a Caldari militia fleet showed up and helped the Minni's to hold that system.
The Caldari are supposed to work with the Amarr just as the Gal's and the Minni's are supposed to work together, if this is not what you wanted then why did you join FW in the first place? Why not join together and go to 0.0 or join the same militia? Both of these options would allow you the same ability to work together while not creating the drama that you both apparently don't understand. The only logical conclusion the casual observer can make is that you did it intentionally to exploit the mechanics to ensure that you could do exactly what your doing and force anyone who wants to stop you to take massive standings hits. If that is the case then just say so, put all the drama to rest instead of telling people you will only help them defend their home, then oh we only came to kill snuff, whats next we helped them take your systems because they are our buddies? |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:05:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Lock out wrote:Gunthar X wrote:
Field them quite a bit actually we just field them when it's an easy gank not risk them in proper fights where supers will drop.
Fixed that for you. Also -FU- has 22 dread kills and 22 carrier kills last month for the loss of 2 carriers and 3 dreads, so we're doing quite fine with kills and losses, thank you. We're quite happy to field them and lose some when there's a gf , get new ones and get back at it. Unlike some drake lovers we're not poor scrubs coming in at range to ***** on mails and make chestebating posts about how relevant we were in our drakes in a fight won by a good arti mach setup with super support. Stop talking about Chatgris' nano fleets like that!!!
Qcats are not part of this discussion, they always fight us and don't hide behind their Amarr buddies when they can't fight something on their own.
Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
16
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:06:00 -
[56] - Quote
If I had known what kind of shitstorm ensues from writing a harmless battlereport, I would never have bothered |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:09:00 -
[57] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:If I had known what kind of shitstorm ensues from writing a harmless battlereport, I would never have bothered
But it passes the time, besides you should know if you mention WBR helping an enemy militia fleet that they will pounce on the thread to tell everyone how they were only helping their buddies. |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two.
Friendly militia? Really? Where? Maybe insofar as game mechanics go theoretically, but thats about it!
All I've read in this entire thread (and others like it) is the Caldari saying, " waahhhhh, you don't love us anymore! And you're being bullies. I'm gonna take my toys and go play with somebody else and when I grow up, I'm gonna hurt you".
seriously, show me on the doll where daddy hurt you . |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:If I had known what kind of shitstorm ensues from writing a harmless battlereport, I would never have bothered
honestly Damar?!?!?
You knew EXACTLY what this would do. I mean, you are a lot of things, but an idiot isn't one of them
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X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:20:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:If I had known what kind of shitstorm ensues from writing a harmless battlereport, I would never have bothered Understandable. Afterall, who could have possibly predicted this response?
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
16
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:25:00 -
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Crimper wrote:You knew EXACTLY what this would do. I mean, you are a lot of things, but an idiot isn't one of them
I expected some mild smack along the lines "From our perspective, we think...." but not just a terrible hatred piled on my door. After all, I only flew one bloody drake there.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
156
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:26:00 -
[62] - Quote
HHAHAHAAA
WOLF BRIGADE SAYS THEY CAME TO HELP CALDARI AND STILL THEY MADE DEAL WITH GALLENTE
And then they wonder what went wrong.
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:34:00 -
[63] - Quote
Crimper wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two. Friendly militia? Really? Where? Maybe insofar as game mechanics go theoretically, but thats about it! All I've read in this entire thread (and others like it) is the Caldari saying, " waahhhhh, you don't love us anymore! And you're being bullies. I'm gonna take my toys and go play with somebody else and when I grow up, I'm gonna hurt you". seriously, show me on the doll where daddy hurt you .
I honestly could care less about WBR and them helping the Gallente because I do not have a problem killing every single one of you who show up to help them, standings be damned. The issue is the BS response you always give about how you will only help them for this or you will only help them if that happens then you constantly go that one step farther.
I know the post was made to illicit this very response and it accomplished exactly what it was meant to but the fact still remains you are actively assisting an allied militia to hold territory and kill those who are unable to defend themselves unless they want a massive standings hit in the process. Then you play it all off as if your innocent and only providing reps and this is ok because you didn't fire a single shot. The game mechanics are in place to prevent random groups from wiping out entire fleets of friendly militia and griefing not so you can hide behind them while you provide logistics assistance to an enemy militia.
Either way you have damned the entire Amarr militia to a future of zero Caldari help in their efforts to drive back the Minni's because I can't think of a single group that would assist the Amarr at this point regardless of the consequences to our own war. It is sad that the rest of your militia has to pay for you when they could be running joint ops with the Caldari like they used to and begin working together to regain their lost systems |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
255
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:42:00 -
[64] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:HHAHAHAAA WOLF BRIGADE SAYS THEY CAME TO HELP CALDARI AND STILL THEY MADE DEAL WITH GALLENTE And then they wonder what went wrong. This... ... |
X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:47:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mutnin wrote: I will make it very easy for you guys. We know you are BFF's and are gonna assist each other. You play the crap game mechanics to support each other knowing we have to go GCC & take faction standings loss with Amarr same as SotF plays same forcing Minmatar to take GCC/ faction standings loss.
FYI: There is no faction loss for shooting allied militia. You will likely go GCC if you shoot first, however. |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Crimper wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two. Friendly militia? Really? Where? Maybe insofar as game mechanics go theoretically, but thats about it! All I've read in this entire thread (and others like it) is the Caldari saying, " waahhhhh, you don't love us anymore! And you're being bullies. I'm gonna take my toys and go play with somebody else and when I grow up, I'm gonna hurt you". seriously, show me on the doll where daddy hurt you . I honestly could care less about WBR and them helping the Gallente because I do not have a problem killing every single one of you who show up to help them, standings be damned. The issue is the BS response you always give about how you will only help them for this or you will only help them if that happens then you constantly go that one step farther. I know the post was made to illicit this very response and it accomplished exactly what it was meant to but the fact still remains you are actively assisting an allied militia to hold territory and kill those who are unable to defend themselves unless they want a massive standings hit in the process. Then you play it all off as if your innocent and only providing reps and this is ok because you didn't fire a single shot. The game mechanics are in place to prevent random groups from wiping out entire fleets of friendly militia and griefing not so you can hide behind them while you provide logistics assistance to an enemy militia. Either way you have damned the entire Amarr militia to a future of zero Caldari help in their efforts to drive back the Minni's because I can't think of a single group that would assist the Amarr at this point regardless of the consequences to our own war. It is sad that the rest of your militia has to pay for you when they could be running joint ops with the Caldari like they used to and begin working together to regain their lost systems
TL;DR So what you are saying is that daddy touched you where we can't mention in the forum, and as a result you also cannot show those which we cannot mention in this forum.
Gotcha.! thx |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
41
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
Looooooool
I love it! First, the minmitar cry like babies about our operations. Now the Caldari are butt hurt.
NUT UP, SHUT UP, OR GTFO!
The drama in this thread is amazing! |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:01:00 -
[68] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:HHAHAHAAA WOLF BRIGADE SAYS THEY CAME TO HELP CALDARI AND STILL THEY MADE DEAL WITH GALLENTE And then they wonder what went wrong.
first off...."Help Caldari"? I read this thread from the beginning and Rydal's first post is the only thing that comes close to suggesting that was the reason for the fleet.
Rydal32 wrote:This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari....
...but it wasn't the reason we were there. it was however, or could have been, a positive side-effect of that fight.
Also,, we weren't wondering anything of "what went wrong". We know exactly how the mechanics of the fight played out and the Caldari "comaraderie" was never considered to be a part of it. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
16
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:08:00 -
[69] - Quote
Crimper wrote:...but it wasn't the reason we were there. it was however, or could have been, a positive side-effect of that fight.
Also,, we weren't wondering anything of "what went wrong". We know exactly how the mechanics of the fight played out and the Caldari "comaraderie" was never considered to be a part of it.
So basicly if you had achieved said supercarrier kills over the wrecks of caldari fleet with your bros in gallente militia, you would have painted this in positive light and suggested that next time caldari team with both of you ahead of time since it's clearly in their best interest and logical thing to do? (without consideration to such arbitary mechanics such as militia war target).
I still think Bad Messenger summarised it best though. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
156
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:09:00 -
[70] - Quote
Crimper wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HHAHAHAAA WOLF BRIGADE SAYS THEY CAME TO HELP CALDARI AND STILL THEY MADE DEAL WITH GALLENTE And then they wonder what went wrong. first off...."Help Caldari"? I read this thread from the beginning and Rydal's first post is the only thing that comes close to suggesting that was the reason for the fleet. Rydal32 wrote:This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari.... ...but it wasn't the reason we were there. it was however, or could have been, a positive side-effect of that fight. Also,, we weren't wondering anything of "what went wrong". We know exactly how the mechanics of the fight played out and the Caldari "comaraderie" was never considered to be a part of it.
you want to build bridges by negotiating with gallente about it? |
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:11:00 -
[71] - Quote
Crimper wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HHAHAHAAA WOLF BRIGADE SAYS THEY CAME TO HELP CALDARI AND STILL THEY MADE DEAL WITH GALLENTE And then they wonder what went wrong. first off...."Help Caldari"? I read this thread from the beginning and Rydal's first post is the only thing that comes close to suggesting that was the reason for the fleet. Rydal32 wrote:This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari.... ...but it wasn't the reason we were there. it was however, or could have been, a positive side-effect of that fight. Also,, we weren't wondering anything of "what went wrong". We know exactly how the mechanics of the fight played out and the Caldari "comaraderie" was never considered to be a part of it.
So you expected that the Caldari fleet would just sit there while you brought in your fleet to help the Gallente kill the pirates and then we would all just stare at each other until we all left peacefully. You knew for a fact as soon as the Caldari showed up and you decloaked to light the cyno exactally what was going to happen. Building bridges was never a part of the process you were there solely to defend your buddies POCO and to try and kill some expensive ships. Please make sure you send out a mail next time so all your members can sell us all the same BS story.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
238
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:13:00 -
[72] - Quote
Crimper wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two. Friendly militia? Really? Where? Maybe insofar as game mechanics go theoretically, but thats about it! All I've read in this entire thread (and others like it) is the Caldari saying, " waahhhhh, you don't love us anymore! And you're being bullies. I'm gonna take my toys and go play with somebody else and when I grow up, I'm gonna hurt you". seriously, show me on the doll where daddy hurt you .
Actually this was a topic about a BR and the 1st reply was butt hurt from Wolfsbrigade guys as well as the next 10 + reply from WB members. Caldari guys for most part all pretty much just accept the fact that we need to shoot you when you interfere with our fights. When your cyno pilgrim showed up on grid it was called primary.
There were no tears from anyone in our fleet over shooting it. I got a little tear'd up when we didn't instantly blap your second cyno ship, that would have stopped the rest of your caps from getting on grid. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
16
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:14:00 -
[73] - Quote
Salicaz wrote:Looooooool I love it! First, the minmitar cry like babies about our operations. Now the Caldari are butt hurt. NUT UP, SHUT UP, OR GTFO! The drama in this thread is amazing!
But....that drama was started by you.
Also, I dont think any of the caldari are butthurt over anything except by your butthurtiness that we did not want to shoot temporary blues "because of isk value'. People should have more integrity than that.
And also, "blue ops" where Caldari/Gallente are involved has always ended up hurting Caldari in the long run. So best keep the ideology pure and refuse any and all friendly relations with enemy. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
41
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:Salicaz wrote:Looooooool I love it! First, the minmitar cry like babies about our operations. Now the Caldari are butt hurt. NUT UP, SHUT UP, OR GTFO! The drama in this thread is amazing! But....that drama was started by you. Also, I dont think any of the caldari are butthurt over anything except by your butthurtiness that we did not want to shoot temporary blues "because of isk value'. People should have more integrity than that. And also, "blue ops" where Caldari/Gallente are involved has always ended up hurting Caldari in the long run. So best keep the ideology pure and refuse any and all friendly relations with enemy.
These foums would be a lot less whinny if people realised we don't play United Nations online :P
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Bree Okanata
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:17:00 -
[75] - Quote
Seeing all this drama makes me want to sign up my alt into FW. Just have to pick Gallente or Minmatar... |
Rydal32
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:18:00 -
[76] - Quote
Wow, this thread got out of hand really quickly.
The great thing to see is the passion of all involved. Keep fighting the good fight. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
238
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:25:00 -
[77] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: I will make it very easy for you guys. We know you are BFF's and are gonna assist each other. You play the crap game mechanics to support each other knowing we have to go GCC & take faction standings loss with Amarr same as SotF plays same forcing Minmatar to take GCC/ faction standings loss.
FYI: There is no faction loss for shooting allied militia. You will likely go GCC if you shoot first, however.
When you lose standings with the Faction Militia corp you also lose standings with that faction, just the same as you gain faction standings by gaining standings with the NPC FW corp. You are however right, I didn't lose any Amarr Faction standings because I'm also -10 with the 24th.. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
129
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: I will make it very easy for you guys. We know you are BFF's and are gonna assist each other. You play the crap game mechanics to support each other knowing we have to go GCC & take faction standings loss with Amarr same as SotF plays same forcing Minmatar to take GCC/ faction standings loss.
FYI: There is no faction loss for shooting allied militia. You will likely go GCC if you shoot first, however. When you lose standings with the Faction Militia corp you also lose standings with that faction, just the same as you gain faction standings by gaining standings with the NPC FW corp. You are however right, I didn't lose any Amarr Faction standings because I'm also -10 with the 24th..
I don't think that's true. I think it more goes like this (lets assume Caldari shooting Amarr for the example).
Caldari shoots amarr guy - no standing loss at all.
Caldari pods amarr guy - standing loss to IC, no standing loss to Amarr Faction. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:49:00 -
[79] - Quote
I would like to add something, a secondary viewpoint if you will.
The Caldari are complaining that they and snuffbox were fighting the gallente and that we [W-BR] should've either kept out of it or "expected" them to shoot us since it was "obvious" they were buddiebrosefpact with Snuffbox. We "interfered" with their fight or something to that effect.
Now here's my point:
This fight originated as a POCO belonging to SOTF was reinforced by Snuffbox (not caldari, to the best of my knowledge). Since W-BR and SOTF are brosefs, and considering Snuffbox is an entity that we both consider an enemy and somewhat decent pvp'ers with a flair for the expensive (Machs! Supers! ), we agreed to team up to fight Snuff, and possibly get some nice kills.
Fast forward a bit, SOTF are on field, W-BR standing by with cyno recons all over the place. Snuffbox are added to the recipe and then...Caldari. Ok, so the Caldari decided to team up with Snuffbox, and shoot both Gallente and Amarr pilots...
And then they call us out for siding with SOTF over them? That the objective was somehow the Caldari Milita, when it was an SOTF brosef POCO that was reinforced and Snuffbox who reinforced it. And when we knew the Caldari would be there, the order was given "Don't shoot Caldari".
And yet, we're somehow "the bad guys". When it wasn't us that shot the Caldari, but the Caldari that shot us...while fighting over something not related to them at all.
I could also point out that you "should've expected us to defend SOTF vs Snuff" akin to how you said we should've expected you to be teamed up with Snuffbox.
As for the point that W-BR have been helping SOTF vs Caldari in the war. I don't remember ever having teamed up with SOTF to actively fight the Caldari, despite all the dramaLOLpropaganda in this thread. On the contrary I remember teaming up with the Caldari to fight the Gallente.
Let's not confuse "SOTF helping W-BR defending our home system at a crucial juncture (patchday), and W-BR promising SOTF the same favour in return" with "W-BR actively team up with SOTF to fight the Caldari"...
So far that hasn't happened at our prerogative, the only reason a clash came to be between our respective bodies, is because the Caldari decided to shoot our pilots in this Avoinen engagement. I'm not saying they weren't allowed to, all the power to Caldari for doing their thing, but I'm saying that you shouldn't cast all blame on us [W-BR] for what is pretty much your own actions.
- Capitol One. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
238
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:57:00 -
[80] - Quote
Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed.
It's not Amarr Militia we should be having a gripe with. It's WB and anyone whom supports them when they interfere with our fights. Amarr Militia corps are more than welcome to work with Caldari as WB is not all of Amarr Militia they are just there to leech off it.
They are in Amarr Militia because of their best bro pact with SoTF to avoid having to shoot at each other, but they came from Caldari Militia. They just want PVP from what I can gather but for the life of me I don't understand why both WB & SoTF try so hard to pretend they want to help any of the Militia's aside from things that directly benefit their own corps.
I suspect the butt-hurt out of WB & SoTF in these topics, comes from the fact that both corps grew up in FW and both corps are filled with members that might of at some time cared about FW. Now they try to hold on to those roots of being FW corps but are really not part of FW in any meaningful way other than using it to get KMs.
Honestly both would be better off just to quit crapping up the battlefield and just go pirate and shoot whom ever they want, rather than try to pretend they somehow are still interested in FW and what makes it work. |
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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. It's not Amarr Militia we should be having a gripe with. It's WB and anyone whom supports them when they interfere with our fights. Amarr Militia corps are more than welcome to work with Caldari as WB is not all of Amarr Militia they are just there to leech off it. They are in Amarr Militia because of their best bro pact with SoTF to avoid having to shoot at each other, but they came from Caldari Militia. They just want PVP from what I can gather but for the life of me I don't understand why both WB & SoTF try so hard to pretend they want to help any of the Militia's aside from things that directly benefit their own corps. I suspect the butt-hurt out of WB & SoTF in these topics, comes from the fact that both corps grew up in FW and both corps are filled with members that might of at some time cared about FW. Now they try to hold on to those roots of being FW corps but are really not part of FW in any meaningful way other than using it to get KMs. Honestly both would be better off just to quit crapping up the battlefield and just go pirate and shoot whom ever they want, rather than try to pretend they somehow are still interested in FW and what makes it work.
Honestly Mutnin, there's certainly no butthurt coming from our side, it seems to me it's more of the caldari being butthurt over W-BR, but I digress :)
As for your point of W-BR "interfering with your fights". I would direct you to my post above, where I sort of explained it. A fight between SOTF/W-BR vs Snuffbox and then Caldari come into the fray .. that's more of a "you intefering with our fight", but that's just me being cheeky, so I'll stop that trail of discussion.
And to be perfectly honest, I would appreciate it if you would leave the analyzing of my corporation to us, you know .. the people that are actually in the corp. I'll just tell you this, we very much are a FW corp, to the core, but it's not the only thing that defines us. We are in FW and we are an FW corp, but we're also striving to be much, much more than that at the same time.
I hope that clears up a few things
- Capitol One |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
41
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:07:00 -
[82] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:[quote=Schalac] Honestly both would be better off just to quit crapping up the battlefield and just go pirate and shoot whom ever they want, rather than try to pretend they somehow are still interested in FW and what makes it work.
I agree, and we should make an alliance with something witty like both our corp names, something like Shadowolves.net or similar, sounds cool. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
238
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:08:00 -
[83] - Quote
Capitol One wrote: Fast forward a bit, SOTF are on field, W-BR standing by with cyno recons all over the place. Snuffbox are added to the recipe and then...Caldari. Ok, so the Caldari decided to team up with Snuffbox, and shoot both Gallente and Amarr pilots...
- Capitol One.
Actually.. we teamed up with Snuff Box to Shoot Gallente our war targets. We also knew Shadow Cartel was coming to assist Gallentte to try and get SC kills. WB showed up middle of a fight that was on going, so it was you whom made the decision to assist Caldri's war targets in the middle of a on going fight.
You at no time reached out to Caldari ahead of time, to ask us to stay out of this fight, so any planning you may have done prior to this is irrelevant because it was in our backyard and our war targets are involved. You would really have to be drinking a lot of that special kool-aide to think we wouldn't be involved.
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Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
110
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
Snuffbox dunkin' on FW nerds and creatin' these tear threads. Like a boss.
Why does anyone think Amarr FW should help Caldari? Or Gallente help Minmatar? You're only "blue" to your own militia. Everything else is up to you. Stop cryin' you nerds. |
Nitalya
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:21:00 -
[85] - Quote
it seems pretty simple to me... gall miliitia is a war target of us in the cal militia. anyone who helps them is an enemy of the state.
i dont think people are butthurt over all the forum drama. i think people are annoyed with wbr not being able to be honest with themselfs. all this drama could end if wbr would just come out and say we give two sh*ts about FW and the militias and just want to get kills and sotf is our bffs and we wont let you kill any of them.
you say your only there to provide logistics support and never fired a shot at cal militia pilots. your mouth must hurt from all that double talk. applying a single remote rep to a wartarget is the same as shooting at cal militia pilots since it midigates our dps and allows there dps to stay on the field longer. you can sit on your high horse and say well they shot first. ofcourse we did you are offering aid to our enemy wich makes you our enemy its pretty simple and i would think people as smart and uber leet as your make yourselfs out to be would understand such a simple concept
i personaly dont have any respect for WBR and this is coming from a old amarr militia pilot. and i can say regardless of why your are on the field if you are not shooting our enemy with us your helping them and i will always shoot your logi support regardless of faction standing.
either way it was a good fight and i would like to give my respect to the galls for fighting. wbr just showed there true colors again and im not suprised they showed up to help the galls.
and just one point that seems to be over all your heads in wbr.. i dont care who is doing it but if they are taking away pocos or any form of income to a gall militia corp/alliance i will be ther helping them because that helps our war effort and to me beating the galls back to highsec is our goal. and should be |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
41
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
[quote=Nitalyai personaly dont have any respect for WBR and this is coming from a old amarr militia pilot.[/quote]
Join (the rather growing) queue. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:27:00 -
[87] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Capitol One wrote: Fast forward a bit, SOTF are on field, W-BR standing by with cyno recons all over the place. Snuffbox are added to the recipe and then...Caldari. Ok, so the Caldari decided to team up with Snuffbox, and shoot both Gallente and Amarr pilots...
- Capitol One.
Actually.. we teamed up with Snuff Box to Shoot Gallente our war targets. We also knew Shadow Cartel was coming to assist Gallentte to try and get SC kills. WB showed up middle of a fight that was on going, so it was you whom made the decision to assist Caldri's war targets in the middle of a on going fight. You at no time reached out to Caldari ahead of time, to ask us to stay out of this fight, so any planning you may have done prior to this is irrelevant because it was in our backyard and our war targets are involved. You would really have to be drinking a lot of that special kool-aide to think we wouldn't be involved.
You know, we didn't suddenly just #magic# decide to crash some fight you were having, that was a planned op and W-BR was already in a fleet for a while, moving ships into range and so forth. You make it sound like it was a spur-of-the-moment thing for us, which it certainly wasn't
Also, we really have no working relationship with the Caldari Militia like we do with SOTF, so us being supposed to "reach out to you ahead" is moot.
So it was your backyard, and your wartargets involved, so you got involved. That's all fine and dandy, but we're not crying about you teaming up with snuff, it's you crying about us teaming up with SOTF to fight snuff, while calling it "W-BR teaming up with SOTF to fight Caldari" .. which is really, really far from what we were doing in Aivonen
I've never actually tasted kool-aide, am I missing out?
- Capitol One
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
156
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:28:00 -
[88] - Quote
Nitalya wrote:it seems pretty simple to me... gall miliitia is a war target of us in the cal militia. anyone who helps them is an enemy of the state.
i dont think people are butthurt over all the forum drama. i think people are annoyed with wbr not being able to be honest with themselfs. all this drama could end if wbr would just come out and say we give two sh*ts about FW and the militias and just want to get kills and sotf is our bffs and we wont let you kill any of them.
you say your only there to provide logistics support and never fired a shot at cal militia pilots. your mouth must hurt from all that double talk. applying a single remote rep to a wartarget is the same as shooting at cal militia pilots since it midigates our dps and allows there dps to stay on the field longer. you can sit on your high horse and say well they shot first. ofcourse we did you are offering aid to our enemy wich makes you our enemy its pretty simple and i would think people as smart and uber leet as your make yourselfs out to be would understand such a simple concept
i personaly dont have any respect for WBR and this is coming from a old amarr militia pilot. and i can say regardless of why your are on the field if you are not shooting our enemy with us your helping them and i will always shoot your logi support regardless of faction standing.
either way it was a good fight and i would like to give my respect to the galls for fighting. wbr just showed there true colors again and im not suprised they showed up to help the galls.
and just one point that seems to be over all your heads in wbr.. i dont care who is doing it but if they are taking away pocos or any form of income to a gall militia corp/alliance i will be ther helping them because that helps our war effort and to me beating the galls back to highsec is our goal. and should be
It seems that only who really is butt hurt is wolf brigade, rest are just laughing about them and happy about success full op |
X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:32:00 -
[89] - Quote
chatgris wrote:I don't think that's true. I think it more goes like this (lets assume Caldari shooting Amarr for the example).
Caldari shoots amarr guy - no standing loss at all.
Caldari pods amarr guy - standing loss to IC, no standing loss to Amarr Faction. I wasn't even thinking that far ahead. If you're Caldari and you decide to shoot an Amarr FW guy (who pops a cyno in the middle of your fleet), then you won't lose Caldari faction standings. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
129
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:33:00 -
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Nitalya wrote:beating the galls back to highsec is our goal. and should be
You really should modify that to an achievable goal: For example, beating the galls back to adjacent non-fw lowsec systems. Because even if you take our home systems (unlikely, but definitely possible given your large numbers advantage) a significant proportion (most?) of us are perma-flashy and high sec isn't a good place for us :) |
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Nitalya
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:39:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:beating the galls back to highsec is our goal. and should be You really should modify that to an achievable goal: For example, beating the galls back to adjacent non-fw lowsec systems. Because even if you take our home systems (unlikely, but definitely possible given your large numbers advantage) a significant proportion (most?) of us are perma-flashy and high sec isn't a good place for us :)
lol ok you got me..
but back to the point at hand.. its SOP if a neutral cyno or a cyno you know to be friendly to your wartargets is lit.... you KILL it no matter who lit the cyno. i dont see it as anything personal towards WBR we wanted to see the gall lose more caps the fact that it was a wbr cyno just is icing on the cake imo.
i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. but its part of the sandbox and to each there own. i also find it sad the wbr would prefer to aid gall forces than to actualy take systems from the minmitar but hey thats just me |
Mutnin
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:40:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:Snuffbox dunkin' on FW nerds and creatin' these tear threads. Like a boss.
Why does anyone think Amarr FW should help Caldari? Or Gallente help Minmatar? You're only "blue" to your own militia. Everything else is up to you. Stop cryin' you nerds.
Honestly I think no one cares what WB does.. We expect them to assist SoTF, so we shoot them. We shot them in this fight and I'm pretty sure we caused at least one of their caps to self destruct.
We are just trolling because they come to the forums and try to play two sides of the same card while pretening to be innocent by standers. Much the same as SoTF tries to play same card with Minmatar.
Caldari lost a Black Bird, Stabber and a Stealth Bomber, while killing a few Cap ships making a few self destruct and managed to keep Shadow Cartel busy, while Snuff killed all of Gals sub cap fleet. Later we looted the field and killed SoTF's poco. It was pretty good fight on our side, so we aren't exactly crying. Not like we lost the fight or anything..
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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:44:00 -
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Nitalya wrote:it seems pretty simple to me... gall miliitia is a war target of us in the cal militia. anyone who helps them is an enemy of the state.
i dont think people are butthurt over all the forum drama. i think people are annoyed with wbr not being able to be honest with themselfs. all this drama could end if wbr would just come out and say we give two sh*ts about FW and the militias and just want to get kills and sotf is our bffs and we wont let you kill any of them.
you say your only there to provide logistics support and never fired a shot at cal militia pilots. your mouth must hurt from all that double talk. applying a single remote rep to a wartarget is the same as shooting at cal militia pilots since it midigates our dps and allows there dps to stay on the field longer. you can sit on your high horse and say well they shot first. ofcourse we did you are offering aid to our enemy wich makes you our enemy its pretty simple and i would think people as smart and uber leet as your make yourselfs out to be would understand such a simple concept
i personaly dont have any respect for WBR and this is coming from a old amarr militia pilot. and i can say regardless of why your are on the field if you are not shooting our enemy with us your helping them and i will always shoot your logi support regardless of faction standing.
either way it was a good fight and i would like to give my respect to the galls for fighting. wbr just showed there true colors again and im not suprised they showed up to help the galls.
and just one point that seems to be over all your heads in wbr.. i dont care who is doing it but if they are taking away pocos or any form of income to a gall militia corp/alliance i will be ther helping them because that helps our war effort and to me beating the galls back to highsec is our goal. and should be
I would like to address your post.
W-BR has always been very true to itself, unlike many people posting in this thread. We have our princips, we stick with our friends and we don't let drama get in the way of good gameplay. You might even say we enjoy these little bouts of drama that people start over every other Operation we plan.
Nitalya, you seem to be very confused, verily indeed. That operation (planned ahead in time) in Aivonen was in no way a "remote-rep only" operation. It was very much a co-operation meant to kill and destroy Snuffbox and those Supercaps. You might be referring to the night before patch and all the drama that ensued when SOTF helped defend Kamela from the Minmatar onslaught, but that's another story.
I don't really recognize you, so I can't say I'm terribly hurt that you have no respect for me/my corp. However, it sounds more like a grudge/envy kind of thing, but whatever.
You also seem to be one of many that think this engagement in Aivonen was centered around the Gallente/Caldari conflict. It wasn't. It was a defense of a friends asset from a pirate entity and a common enemy, and possibly a really good fight and kills might come out of it. While I can sympathize with your flawed idea that everything revolves around you and the Caldari militia, it sadly doesn't.
Whatever colours you might think Wolfsbrigade showed, I'm sure they were red and bloody, 'cause we're all about the fight, and a good showing it was on Snuff's side indeed. Too bad the Caldari had to make such a huge thing over it all.
Sincerely,
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Gunthar X
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:45:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Mutnin wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. It's not Amarr Militia we should be having a gripe with. It's WB and anyone whom supports them when they interfere with our fights. Amarr Militia corps are more than welcome to work with Caldari as WB is not all of Amarr Militia they are just there to leech off it. They are in Amarr Militia because of their best bro pact with SoTF to avoid having to shoot at each other, but they came from Caldari Militia. They just want PVP from what I can gather but for the life of me I don't understand why both WB & SoTF try so hard to pretend they want to help any of the Militia's aside from things that directly benefit their own corps. I suspect the butt-hurt out of WB & SoTF in these topics, comes from the fact that both corps grew up in FW and both corps are filled with members that might of at some time cared about FW. Now they try to hold on to those roots of being FW corps but are really not part of FW in any meaningful way other than using it to get KMs. Honestly both would be better off just to quit crapping up the battlefield and just go pirate and shoot whom ever they want, rather than try to pretend they somehow are still interested in FW and what makes it work. Honestly Mutnin, there's certainly no butthurt coming from our side, it seems to me it's more of the caldari being butthurt over W-BR, but I digress :) As for your point of W-BR "interfering with your fights". I would direct you to my post above, where I sort of explained it. A fight between SOTF/W-BR vs Snuffbox and then Caldari come into the fray .. that's more of a "you intefering with our fight", but that's just me being cheeky, so I'll stop that trail of discussion. And to be perfectly honest, I would appreciate it if you would leave the analyzing of my corporation to us, you know .. the people that are actually in the corp. I'll just tell you this, we very much are a FW corp, to the core, but it's not the only thing that defines us. We are in FW and we are an FW corp, but we're also striving to be much, much more than that at the same time. I hope that clears up a few things - Capitol One
What exactally does the Caldari militia have to be butt hurt over? We did not lose a cap fleet, and we did not once again show all of FW our true colors by siding with a hostile militia fleet against our own allied militia that would be you guys and your BFF's. The Caldari were on the field engaging a WT cap fleet which meant a temp blue status with Snuff something that the Gallente do quite a bit too when we have caps on the field or they try to kill a Snuff fleet. Snuff would have gladly, and did in a couple of cases, killed the entire Caldari fleet if it suited their needs however it seems they are determined to punch SOTF in the nuts daily which works to our advantage. The enemy of my enemy is my friend but I guess in your case the enemy of my friend is my BFF and btw you are in FW but you are not a FW corp as you are only there for PVP and have zero interest in furthering your own militia's goals. One thing i have noticed about the various militia groups is that there is a universal dislike for WBR among many of the major players in FW with a few exceptions because of this pact you have. I will say one thing though, at least SOTF is useful to their own militia beyond getting kills.
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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:50:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Jones Bones wrote:Snuffbox dunkin' on FW nerds and creatin' these tear threads. Like a boss.
Why does anyone think Amarr FW should help Caldari? Or Gallente help Minmatar? You're only "blue" to your own militia. Everything else is up to you. Stop cryin' you nerds. Honestly I think no one cares what WB does.. We expect them to assist SoTF, so we shoot them. We shot them in this fight and I'm pretty sure we caused at least one of their caps to self destruct. We are just trolling because they come to the forums and try to play two sides of the same card while pretening to be innocent by standers. Much the same as SoTF tries to play same card with Minmatar. Caldari lost a Black Bird, Stabber and a Stealth Bomber, while killing a few Cap ships making a few self destruct and managed to keep Shadow Cartel busy, while Snuff killed all of Gals sub cap fleet. Later we looted the field and killed SoTF's poco. It was pretty good fight on our side, so we aren't exactly crying. Not like we lost the fight or anything.. We just trolling them over their double talk.
It's adorable how you're able to simply ignore any argument that you don't agree with, e.g. every one of my previous posts.
Really, the reason this thread has gone to these lengths is the drama the Caldari started over W-BR's actions in Aivonen, we certainly aren't butthurt about 'causing this ruckus
Also no, we didn't lose a capital ship, killed or self-destructed, it was only our brosefs that took the brunt of the loss, after heroicly tanking some Supercaps and an impressive Machariel fleet. If only you could boast about something equal to that.
You certainly didn't lose the fight, but neither did you really "win" the fight. I have to give credit where credit is due, and that lies with Snuffbox, good job on their part!
- Capitol One. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:56:00 -
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Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have.
There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend.
Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR.
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:00:00 -
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Capital One,
If you are such a TRUE FW corp, and have the "right assets to field whatever" then why have you not used your assets or put forth your "TRUE" FW colors by taking back Amar space.
You havent. Thats what is funny, everyone else knows it except you guys.
Let me summarize it:
YOU ARE NOT A FW CORP, you are a corp IN FW just because.
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:04:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:Capitol One wrote:Mutnin wrote:Schalac wrote:It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed. It's not Amarr Militia we should be having a gripe with. It's WB and anyone whom supports them when they interfere with our fights. Amarr Militia corps are more than welcome to work with Caldari as WB is not all of Amarr Militia they are just there to leech off it. They are in Amarr Militia because of their best bro pact with SoTF to avoid having to shoot at each other, but they came from Caldari Militia. They just want PVP from what I can gather but for the life of me I don't understand why both WB & SoTF try so hard to pretend they want to help any of the Militia's aside from things that directly benefit their own corps. I suspect the butt-hurt out of WB & SoTF in these topics, comes from the fact that both corps grew up in FW and both corps are filled with members that might of at some time cared about FW. Now they try to hold on to those roots of being FW corps but are really not part of FW in any meaningful way other than using it to get KMs. Honestly both would be better off just to quit crapping up the battlefield and just go pirate and shoot whom ever they want, rather than try to pretend they somehow are still interested in FW and what makes it work. Honestly Mutnin, there's certainly no butthurt coming from our side, it seems to me it's more of the caldari being butthurt over W-BR, but I digress :) As for your point of W-BR "interfering with your fights". I would direct you to my post above, where I sort of explained it. A fight between SOTF/W-BR vs Snuffbox and then Caldari come into the fray .. that's more of a "you intefering with our fight", but that's just me being cheeky, so I'll stop that trail of discussion. And to be perfectly honest, I would appreciate it if you would leave the analyzing of my corporation to us, you know .. the people that are actually in the corp. I'll just tell you this, we very much are a FW corp, to the core, but it's not the only thing that defines us. We are in FW and we are an FW corp, but we're also striving to be much, much more than that at the same time. I hope that clears up a few things - Capitol One What exactally does the Caldari militia have to be butt hurt over? We did not lose a cap fleet, and we did not once again show all of FW our true colors by siding with a hostile militia fleet against our own allied militia that would be you guys and your BFF's. The Caldari were on the field engaging a WT cap fleet which meant a temp blue status with Snuff something that the Gallente do quite a bit too when we have caps on the field or they try to kill a Snuff fleet. Snuff would have gladly, and did in a couple of cases, killed the entire Caldari fleet if it suited their needs however it seems they are determined to punch SOTF in the nuts daily which works to our advantage. The enemy of my enemy is my friend but I guess in your case the enemy of my friend is my BFF and btw you are in FW but you are not a FW corp as you are only there for PVP and have zero interest in furthering your own militia's goals. One thing i have noticed about the various militia groups is that there is a universal dislike for WBR among many of the major players in FW with a few exceptions because of this pact you have. I will say one thing though, at least SOTF is useful to their own militia beyond getting kills.
Must I really repeat myself? Did you simply skip my text, instead only seeing some kind of twisted, propaganda-full version of my words? Heh, I guess I'll repeat myself.
W-BR "showed their true colours" indeed we did, we showed that we stick with our friends in defence against a pirate attack. We allied with our friends agains't a common enemy.
The caldari militia wasn't really a part of the equation, but since you decided to get involved in our fight, we had to accomodate for that, while still quite clearly "NOT SHOOTING CALDARI". Wow, weird huh? We didn't shoot you, but you shot us. We're totally the bad guys We were there to fight Snuffbox, not Caldari, it was your choice to ally with Snuffbox (and yet we still didn't shoot you, how noble of us).
You say we're not an FW corp "blah, blah, blah, whine". That's ok, you clearly know nothing, so it's cute that you decide to argue a point about something you have no idea what you're talking about. While W-BR isn't the most active "plexing corp" in the Amarr Militia, we are one of the corporation's that have done the most for our faction (and the caldari faction for that matter) and FW on a whole.
PL titan kill anyone? Did that put FW on the map, or am I just imagining things
This "universal dislike" you see for W-BR. Huh, I guess there are a lot of loud forum-warriors that have some grudge against us. But where it matters, we have the respect we've earned and that's all I can ask for. I certainly won't lose any sleep over your lack of approval.
- Capitol One. |
Mutnin
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:04:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend. Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR.
Personally I try to push the agenda that's it's not all of Amarr Militia, just WBR.. Just like with the Minnies it wasn't all of Gal Militia just SoTF. I think the problem may of us have with the rest of Amarr Militia at this time is that they don't seem to be trying to help themselves but that's a unrelated issue for another topic.
As a side note being this is a "sandbox" perhaps it would be funny if Minmatar & Caldari formed a LP Cartel by assisting each other in taking space and agreeing to specific farming grounds... We could call it LOPEC.
Oh I kid, I kid..
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:05:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Capital One,
If you are such a TRUE FW corp, and have the "right assets to field whatever" then why have you not used your assets or put forth your "TRUE" FW colors by taking back Amar space.
You havent. Thats what is funny, everyone else knows it except you guys.
Well, lets see
a) Amarr are heavily outnumbered, and the snowball is against them due to LP mechanics (Minmatar, like Caldari, have a large group of farmers on their side) b) Amarr cannot take plexes anywhere near as effectively as the Minmatar due to NPC imbalance c) Being able to field large ships and win open fights has very little to do with occupancy warfare
The fact that they've held onto their home system post inferno is a pretty good accomplishment IMO. |
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:09:00 -
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chatgris wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Capital One,
If you are such a TRUE FW corp, and have the "right assets to field whatever" then why have you not used your assets or put forth your "TRUE" FW colors by taking back Amar space.
You havent. Thats what is funny, everyone else knows it except you guys.
Well, lets see a) Amarr are heavily outnumbered, and the snowball is against them due to LP mechanics (Minmatar, like Caldari, have a large group of farmers on their side) b) Amarr cannot take plexes anywhere near as effectively as the Minmatar due to NPC imbalance c) Being able to field large ships and win open fights has very little to do with occupancy warfare The fact that they've held onto their home system post inferno is a pretty good accomplishment IMO.
I will counter with
A) You break up (since they are a large corp) and you plex the crap out of systems far and wide. Minnies arent going to show up and defend.
B) VP speak for themselves, Amarr have the ability to shape their fate in this. But thats for another topic. Its very evident WBR is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Or in this case SOTF clothing
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:09:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Capital One,
If you are such a TRUE FW corp, and have the "right assets to field whatever" then why have you not used your assets or put forth your "TRUE" FW colors by taking back Amar space.
You havent. Thats what is funny, everyone else knows it except you guys.
Let me summarize it:
YOU ARE NOT A FW CORP, you are a corp IN FW just because.
Mr Traitor, Bolster sir. If you weren't so busy switching to the #gasp# enemy militia and smacking on the forums, you might know that W-BR has done their fair share of fighting the Minmatar in this neverending war over Soverignty.
Let me summarize it:
You're terrible and a nobody.
- Capitol One.
Ps. I guess Bolster is one of those butthurt people
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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:12:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Really, the reason this thread has gone to these lengths is
is instead of saying "Yup, we tried to help SotF kill some supercaps, and certainly would've defended SotF's caps against Caldari on the field." you keep coming with bizarre bullshit and new moralizations about it, like "we <3 SotF" is no longer a good enough justification for you. Had you said the quoted sentence, there'd be maybe 1-3 posts on the first page below it saying little more "yeah? duh." and that would be the end. There's not even any WBR-Caldari drama in this thread beyond your sad insults; the Caldari contribution to your replacement-for-we-heart-SotF brainstorming session is just bewilderment.
Quote:You certainly didn't lose the fight, but neither did you really "win" the fight. I have to give credit where credit is due, and that lies with Snuffbox, good job on their part! |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:16:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Capitol One wrote:Really, the reason this thread has gone to these lengths is is instead of saying "Yup, we tried to help SotF kill some supercaps, and certainly would've defended SotF's caps against Caldari on the field." you keep coming with bizarre bullshit and new moralizations about it, like "we <3 SotF" is no longer a good enough justification for you. Had you said the quoted sentence, there'd be maybe 1-3 posts on the first page below it saying little more "yeah? duh." and that would be the end. There's not even any WBR-Caldari drama in this thread beyond your sad insults; the Caldari contribution to your replacement-for-we-heart-SotF brainstorming session is just bewilderment. Quote:You certainly didn't lose the fight, but neither did you really "win" the fight. I have to give credit where credit is due, and that lies with Snuffbox, good job on their part!
You sound angry, and a little confused. Sort of like an angry little goldfish that just swam an entire circle in his little fishbowl and is surprised at what he sees infront of him.
My posts haven't really been "insults, left, right and centre", I've actually tried to get our view on things out there. I'm sure you would love it if this thread was simply a "smack W-BR thread". I wish it hadn't come to these butthurt angry "cry foul's" against our corp.
It really spoiled Damar's battlereport. But I won't just sit down quietly while you smack my corp. It's quite entertaining even.
But oh well, you are and always will be something of a little clown
- Capitol One |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:17:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:
A) You break up (since they are a large corp) and you plex the crap out of systems far and wide. Minnies arent going to show up and defend.
No, they will defend when WBR is asleep, and they can easily do that due to their large numbers advantage.
BolsterBomb wrote: B) VP speak for themselves, Amarr have the ability to shape their fate in this. But thats for another topic. Its very evident WBR is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Or in this case SOTF clothing
For all my talk of traitorous actions with SOTF and WBR, WBR is a force to be reckoned with in their own right. They are easily one of the strongest corps in all of FW. If you are talking not about their pvp power but their "blurred" allegiances, they keep their word, even if said word is traitorous :P |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:22:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:I would like to address your post. W-BR has always been very true to itself, unlike many people posting in this thread. We have our princips, we stick with our friends and we don't let drama get in the way of good gameplay. You might even say we enjoy these little bouts of drama that people start over every other Operation we plan. Nitalya, you seem to be very confused, verily indeed. That operation (planned ahead in time) in Aivonen was in no way a "remote-rep only" operation. It was very much a co-operation meant to kill and destroy Snuffbox and those Supercaps. You might be referring to the night before patch and all the drama that ensued when SOTF helped defend Kamela from the Minmatar onslaught, but that's another story. I don't really recognize you, so I can't say I'm terribly hurt that you have no respect for me/my corp. However, it sounds more like a grudge/envy kind of thing, but whatever. You also seem to be one of many that think this engagement in Aivonen was centered around the Gallente/Caldari conflict. It wasn't. It was a defense of a friends asset from a pirate entity and a common enemy, and possibly a really good fight and kills might come out of it. While I can sympathize with your flawed idea that everything revolves around you and the Caldari militia, it sadly doesn't. Whatever colours you might think Wolfsbrigade showed, I'm sure they were red and bloody, 'cause we're all about the fight, and a good showing it was on Snuff's side indeed. Too bad the Caldari had to make such a huge thing over it all. Sincerely, - Capitol One.
So youGÇÖre always true to your principles and those are that you will only support one group at the expense of your own militia and those of your friendly militia regardless of the impact to your own reputations. You also state that even knowing that the Caldari were on the field killing their enemy you were going to jump in and only kill Snuff while leaving the Caldari alone, what would have happened if the Caldari cap fleet would have hit the field and engaged the Gallente fleet after Snuff was taken off the field? Would you have sat by and watched us fight? I am willing to put money on the fact that you would have actively supported them in killing us without a second thought because they are the most important friends you have.
As for having no respect for someone I am pretty sure we can empathizes with that feeling as no one in the Caldari militia has an ounce of respect for your group along with a large portion of the Amarr militia I suspect. There are many groups within the Caldari that have friends that at one time or another kill our own militia and each one of those groups must make a choice of whether to assist one side or the other, most of us choose to stay out of the fight all together to ensure relations are not damaged due to a misinterpretation of actions. If anyone in the Caldari militia thought for a single moment that you would only kill the Snuff fleet then we may have held fire but knowing you as we do we knew that the second you were on the field and done with Snuff we would be next, with you either directly engaging us or providing logistic assistance to the Gallente.
It is normally common courtesy to inform friendly forces if you will be participating in operations in their own backyard so that situations such as these do not occur but given your past coupled with this latest example I am willing to bet that you will all be more or less KOS in Caldari space to anyone with sense. As for the Amarr militia members outside of WBR if you need help please ask us and as long as WBR has nothing to do with it then we may be inclined to assist in some capacity.
By the way the colors you were showing were red and bloody but that was a result of the horrible and dry **** that your fleet and friends took at the hand of Snuff and the Caldari militia but given your past I am sure we will see another fight were you will show up on the side of the Gallente. Just remember that no matter what if you show up in an engagement you are fair game just make sure you bring that giant titan sized ego of yours along oh GÇ£Saviors of the AmarrGÇ¥. That quote was from your group by the way.
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Gunthar X
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:26:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend. Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR.
Very well stated and something we as a militia need to consider if only to pull some of those damn minni LP miners out of our space. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
309
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:37:00 -
[108] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend. Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR. Very well stated and something we as a militia need to consider if only to pull some of those damn minni LP miners out of our space.
If you don't like W-BR, all you have to do is stay out of Kamela. I'm not entirely sure they have figured out how to use the stargates to get out of that system, unless it is via cyno or titan-bridge. (: Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
84
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:50:00 -
[109] - Quote
Partially translated:
Nah. There's only one member of WBR that I can speak angrily about, and it isn't you. Thanks for asking :)
Quote:My posts haven't really been "insults, left, right and centre",
Actually I characterized your posts as "bizarre bullshit and new moralizations" and as "[a] replacement-for-we-heart-SotF brainstorming session". It's true though that the your sad insults are late-comers.
The rest of your post, I strongly feel like I've replied to.
Quote:You... jerk!
- Capitol One |
X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:54:00 -
[110] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. ... It's really up to Nitalya, not WBR, to decide who Nitalya will and will not help.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:04:00 -
[111] - Quote
So, before I hit the bed, just one more question.
Anyone willing to write a battlereport from Snuff/Shadow cartel/Gal/Wbr perspective and add it here? Or would those cause this thread to become even more silly? |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
241
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:05:00 -
[112] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend. Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR. Very well stated and something we as a militia need to consider if only to pull some of those damn minni LP miners out of our space.
The Minnie LP farmers don't care about Minmatar sov.. They wont fight for it, they are just up here because we have systems they can farm. I'd bet most are just alts from each militia cashing in (ours included) as well as out side parties trying to farm ISK for their mains.
The only real balance to fix that issue is for Caldari to push into high tier our selves leaving fewer systems for farmers in our Militia to hit which intern would push them down into Minmatar space.
The whole system really only balance's out with 1 side of each opposing war front holding the bulk of the sov. The whole tier system does not work if both sides are equal and it wont work if it's Min & Gal dominating or Amarr & Cal. With so many farmers involved it has to be Cal & Min or Amarr & Gal holding the bulk of sov on their own war fronts to hold high tier for each opposing side. |
Nitalya
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:30:00 -
[113] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:chatgris wrote:Nitalya wrote:i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. ... It's really up to Nitalya, not WBR, to decide who Nitalya will and will not help.
my interest is in helping the caldari militia win... we originaly joined the amarr militia but couldnt handle the constant epeen waving by wbr about how the militia was fail without them blah blah blah.. IMO if you join a militia its the same concept of joining an alliance and should put your effort into making life better for all wearing the same tags as you.. WBR only cares about protcting there own assets and makes BFF packs with war targets to achieve said goal.
and if they think its in there best interest to keep said policy more power to them. im have issues understanding why they want people to feel sorry for them cause we killed there cyno that showed up halfway through a fight(planned or not). like i said before its SOP to kill a cyno thats not yours in a fleet fight end of story.
the fact that you all hide behind the but we didnt shoot any of you excuse acutaly makes me laugh more than it makes me mad cause to me its funny you think anyone will actualy buy that line of bs.
i would also like to point out that i have alot of bffs in snuffbox (check corp history on a few of them and myself) unlike you guys i will come out and say it aslong as snuff is not ingaging call mill assets and you come to fight thim i would be more than willing to shoot any and every one of you.
as far as helping the amarr militia is concerned untill people in that militia get there egos in check and learn to help one another why should i risk my isk and assets to help them? till groups like WBR put the need of ther own militia ahead of there own personal gain why should i care what happens to them?
to capital one or whatever you name is.. its funny ive never actualy hear of you either so and dont care if you know who i am. my mommy still loves me so im good
eve is what it is and thats great cause you can f*ck over your friends if you want and its buissness as usual. i just love watching internet tough guys try and claim they are mistreated when you put us in the situation to either shoot your or let our blues die easy choice seeing as how you came to defend our war targets.
and is far is kamela is concernd i hope the minmitar take it and i hope they set us temp blue so we can convince our snuff overlords to come help us kill all your toys
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:58:00 -
[114] - Quote
In the words of the late Rodney King "ow ow ow ow stop hitting me"
*comment removed due to possible hurt feelings* |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
Wow that was a lot of unintelligible wall-of-text of some rather funny bullshit Gunthar/Nitaliya. I can only laugh. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
230
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
We were there to kill the supers,
We would/will defend SOTF once already in a fleet and on grid,
No caldari corp is/or wants blue standings
I don't plex much cause its meaningless to me. I only defend my home system.
Im not butthurt about yesturday we had a good fight.
Had a Caldari been called as a target while I was on field, I would have killed it.
Given the choice between two targets One Random Caldari One SOFT, I will kill the Caldari, they are not blue.
That said, does anyone have any other pointless questions? Or can we get on with actually playing the game?
EDIT
I dont give a **** about RP blues, Im in FW for the Kill Mails. |
Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
11
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:23:00 -
[117] - Quote
Wow. Some of the Caldari and Amarr in this thread are being real sourpusses.
Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad!
Good victory, Snuff. Sounds like a fun time. Shame I missed it. I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Nitalya
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:34:00 -
[118] - Quote
sYnc Vir wrote:We were there to kill the supers,
We would/will defend SOTF once already in a fleet and on grid,
No caldari corp is/or wants blue standings
I don't plex much cause its meaningless to me. I only defend my home system.
Im not butthurt about yesturday we had a good fight.
Had a Caldari been called as a target while I was on field, I would have killed it.
Given the choice between two targets One Random Caldari One SOFT, I will kill the Caldari, they are not blue.
That said, does anyone have any other pointless questions? Or can we get on with actually playing the game?
EDIT
I dont give a **** about RP blues, Im in FW for the Kill Mails.
well said. much better than all this we only rep them wont shoot your bs.
im not sure anyone is really butthurt about yesterday.... got long fight lots of KM and a handfull of caps dead overall a fun day in eve.
my beef is with people claiming they will assist our enemys(only our cause im in cal mil) with only reps and then getting sad when they get shot.
the part that sucks to people that are interested in FW for what its intended to be is now when we see an amarr cyno in local we have to shoot it because they are bringing reps to help the gall. in the old days before the wbr move an amarr cyno would mean help was on the way.
because the wbr sotf deal it causes mistrust and issues with what militias that are supposed to be blue to one another. that being said eve is what it is and your allowed to do this wich is ok with me personaly but dont expect people to look at it favorably or expect any sympathy when thing happen like yesterday.
im guessing thats what everyone is butthurt about and tbh you cant really blame them. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
84
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:44:00 -
[119] - Quote
Shadow Adanza wrote:Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad!
It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!".
But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
230
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:49:00 -
[120] - Quote
Nitalya wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:We were there to kill the supers,
We would/will defend SOTF once already in a fleet and on grid,
No caldari corp is/or wants blue standings
I don't plex much cause its meaningless to me. I only defend my home system.
Im not butthurt about yesturday we had a good fight.
Had a Caldari been called as a target while I was on field, I would have killed it.
Given the choice between two targets One Random Caldari One SOFT, I will kill the Caldari, they are not blue.
That said, does anyone have any other pointless questions? Or can we get on with actually playing the game?
EDIT
I dont give a **** about RP blues, Im in FW for the Kill Mails. well said. much better than all this we only rep them wont shoot your bs. im not sure anyone is really butthurt about yesterday.... got long fight lots of KM and a handfull of caps dead overall a fun day in eve. my beef is with people claiming they will assist our enemys(only our cause im in cal mil) with only reps and then getting sad when they get shot. the part that sucks to people that are interested in FW for what its intended to be is now when we see an amarr cyno in local we have to shoot it because they are bringing reps to help the gall. in the old days before the wbr move an amarr cyno would mean help was on the way. because the wbr sotf deal it causes mistrust and issues with what militias that are supposed to be blue to one another. that being said eve is what it is and your allowed to do this wich is ok with me personaly but dont expect people to look at it favorably or expect any sympathy when thing happen like yesterday. im guessing thats what everyone is butthurt about and tbh you cant really blame them.
I was speaking for myself, not my corp. Corp was most likely told not to shoot caldari, I was watching the England game and totally half assing comms, much to my CEOs expectations and disappointment.
If Caldari want our help for anything, they need only ask. You will get a simple and quick Yes or No. If its "Help us kill this SOTF pos" then of course it will be a no. If its help us kill these pirates, it'll be a good fight. Then it'll be up to the FCs to decided.
The only time we've been asked to help the Caldari(that I remember), we've actually helped them. Enaluri Pos fight, and taking a bunker.
As for "meant to be blue". Caldari are not blue. You can become blue by talking to our diplos, until such time as ccp change it. You are a nuetral. Life would be easier if people remembered this. We have a war against the same people thats true, but thats it.
I don't for a second expect any Caldari corps hitting up our diplos for blue standings, I also don't expect CCP to change that either. |
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Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
11
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:54:00 -
[121] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!". But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be. I'd put my isk on they're laughing. It's a game. Why so serious? I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Nitalya
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:57:00 -
[122] - Quote
sYnc Vir wrote:
I was speaking for myself, not my corp. Corp was most likely told not to shoot caldari, I was watching the England game and totally half assing comms, much to my CEOs expectations and disappointment.
If Caldari want our help for anything, they need only ask. You will get a simple and quick Yes or No. If its "Help us kill this SOTF pos" then of course it will be a no. If its help us kill these pirates, it'll be a good fight. Then it'll be up to the FCs to decided.
The only time we've been asked to help the Caldari(that I remember), we've actually helped them. Enaluri Pos fight, and taking a bunker.
As for "meant to be blue". Caldari are not blue. You can become blue by talking to our diplos, until such time as ccp change it. You are a nuetral. Life would be easier if people remembered this. We have a war against the same people thats true, but thats it.
I don't for a second expect any Caldari corps hitting up our diplos for blue standings, I also don't expect CCP to change that either.
its a shame the rest of your corp cant be as honest and straight forward about it... you guys blue who you want its a game no one has issue with that..
just dont expect us not to shoot you when you show up on the field with our enemy. my corp/alliance makes it an effort NOT to shoot any amarr militia members unless they shoot first with one exception and thats WBR not because we dont like you guys wich im sure plenty dont. but because we cant trust that your cyno is in the best intrests of our militia.
to put it bluntly if you show up on the field and we are shooting galls because your deal with sotf and they are in most fleets you will be killed without any hesitation unless your leadership gives us warning and garantee you wont assist our enemy. and even then with your history it should be the fcs call on if he trust you enough to take you all at your word.
either way im looking forward to some good fights and im sure this will happen again. us humans love repeating actions hopeing for differnt outcomes. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
230
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:58:00 -
[123] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!". But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be.
Missioning is beanth my minnie alts, the reason FG is pissed about people saying we use alts to take Amarr systems is because we don't. Isn't that clear? People shouldn't be allowed to complain we don't plex, while at the same time bitching we plex for the other team. Both are boring, thogh my Amarr toon did get a nice 2 on 1 Victory in a minor the other day. Wasn't even in Kamela, was in Anka a whole 2 jumps away. I was proud, and got lost on the way home but still good times.
Just to make it clear, and maybe **** off my own corp and militia, but whatever. What we and many others do is, use minnie alts to open and run missions to farm the better LP. That is those that mission. Trust me, the moment Amarr LP is even remotely close to being worthwhile, every W-BR guy will stop, because they like Navy Geddons a lot more then fleet phoons and pest. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
230
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:01:00 -
[124] - Quote
Nitalya wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:
I was speaking for myself, not my corp. Corp was most likely told not to shoot caldari, I was watching the England game and totally half assing comms, much to my CEOs expectations and disappointment.
If Caldari want our help for anything, they need only ask. You will get a simple and quick Yes or No. If its "Help us kill this SOTF pos" then of course it will be a no. If its help us kill these pirates, it'll be a good fight. Then it'll be up to the FCs to decided.
The only time we've been asked to help the Caldari(that I remember), we've actually helped them. Enaluri Pos fight, and taking a bunker.
As for "meant to be blue". Caldari are not blue. You can become blue by talking to our diplos, until such time as ccp change it. You are a nuetral. Life would be easier if people remembered this. We have a war against the same people thats true, but thats it.
I don't for a second expect any Caldari corps hitting up our diplos for blue standings, I also don't expect CCP to change that either.
its a shame the rest of your corp cant be as honest and straight forward about it... you guys blue who you want its a game no one has issue with that.. just dont expect us not to shoot you when you show up on the field with our enemy. my corp/alliance makes it an effort NOT to shoot any amarr militia members unless they shoot first with one exception and thats WBR not because we dont like you guys wich im sure plenty dont. but because we cant trust that your cyno is in the best intrests of our militia. to put it bluntly if you show up on the field and we are shooting galls because your deal with sotf and they are in most fleets you will be killed without any hesitation unless your leadership gives us warning and garantee you wont assist our enemy. and even then with your history it should be the fcs call on if he trust you enough to take you all at your word. either way im looking forward to some good fights and im sure this will happen again. us humans love repeating actions hopeing for differnt outcomes.
I expect everyone not in my fleet to shoot me. We live in Lowsec. |
Nitalya
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:07:00 -
[125] - Quote
sYnc Vir wrote: [
I expect everyone not in my fleet to shoot me. We live in Lowsec.
we are nbsi.. with 2 simple rules dont shoot caldari or amarr militia members unless you have too.
i actualy prefer the amarr minmitar front but there is too much infighting and bs in the amarr militia to make it enjoyable.
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Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
45
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:25:00 -
[126] - Quote
Shadow Adanza wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!". But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be. I'd put my isk on they're laughing. It's a game. Why so serious?
This man gets it!
we enjoy these kind of threads (especially when our actions created them)
drama / emo and politics is at least 50% of the fun in this game. Some would do well to realise that.
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Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
45
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:31:00 -
[127] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:So, before I hit the bed, just one more question. Anyone willing to write a battlereport from Snuff/Shadow cartel/Gal/Wbr perspective and add it here? Or would those cause this thread to become even more silly?
it was pretty straight forward really.
Snuff RFed our poco We know snuff have supers and multiple caps we formed a fleet to have some pew vs snuff caps and supers snuff showed up in machs :( we put some pantheon on the poco snuff delayed for a considerable length of time (45 minutes ish) obviously forming something extra
*I had to log off at this point :(
the fight kicked off some caldari showed up with the kitchen sink a little scrap was had we failed to tackle supers (again, we'll get this right one day!) some derpage with cyno's on our part 2 dreads died due to their own silly derps (one couldnt work out how to cyno out /o\ ... the other forgot to seige red when told /o\ (I guess those guys learned to fly their dreads the expensive way)
the fight ended
thats pretty much it. |
Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
61
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:24:00 -
[128] - Quote
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :) Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line. No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
68
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:38:00 -
[129] - Quote
Pulgy wrote:I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :) Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.
ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente.
to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:47:00 -
[130] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Pulgy wrote:I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :) Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line. ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente. to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS
I'm sorry, what exactly are the caldari winning? ... system occupancy?
how is that even remotely winning for anyhting other than RP purposes, any1 who makes their isk from FW already has alts in minmatar militia getting rich.
So no, the caldari really arent winnning anything, at least until their LP is worth something. |
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Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:16:00 -
[131] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Pulgy wrote:I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :) Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line. ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente. to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS LOL the Gallente care about system occupancy? Let's not kid ourselves here. The Gallente care about fights, isk, and LP. Nothing more. Why do you think a lot of Gallente swapped over to the Minmatar? They can't capture the Caldari systems anymore... but they can plex them for *gasp* LP. I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
47
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Posted - 2012.06.21 03:15:00 -
[132] - Quote
SOTF and WBR: bringing the nullsec bropact faggotry to FW that I left nullsec to get away from. Thanks a bundle. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
29
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:34:00 -
[133] - Quote
Shadow Adanza wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:Pulgy wrote:I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :) Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line. ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente. to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS LOL the Gallente care about system occupancy? Let's not kid ourselves here. The Gallente care about fights, isk, and LP. Nothing more. Why do you think a lot of Gallente swapped over to the Minmatar? They can't capture the Caldari systems anymore... but they can plex them for *gasp* LP.
You all care about system occupancy when you are winning.
Strange how it matters, doesn't matter, matters, doesn't matter etc etc depending on the situation.
I can tell you why the Gallente swapped over. They could see that in 3-4 weeks they would be in a near unrecoverable position and instead of having the balls to admit they were losing - they switched to a winning side so they could pretend they hadn't lost their own space.
Stop kidding yourselves that it was for any other reason. When a ship is sinking - the rats and insects always bail out 1st. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
34
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:58:00 -
[134] - Quote
The amount of RP/ingame RULES qq in this thread is approachign the level of uttery faggotry that the Minnie tears thread did. I wish WBR would come around and trick you mouthbreathing animals into fights more often. Also glad you need SNUFFD to get anything done. I noticed ALOT of bragging about "taking down a Gallente capital fleet" then saw that no squids really were required. Good job showing up to a fight that had no risk lol. |
Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2012.06.21 05:10:00 -
[135] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:
You all care about system occupancy when you are winning.
Strange how it matters, doesn't matter, matters, doesn't matter etc etc depending on the situation.
I can tell you why the Gallente swapped over. They could see that in 3-4 weeks they would be in a near unrecoverable position and instead of having the balls to admit they were losing - they switched to a winning side so they could pretend they hadn't lost their own space.
Stop kidding yourselves that it was for any other reason. When a ship is sinking - the rats and insects always bail out 1st.
Haha. The majority of Gallente hasn't cared about occupancy for the 4 months I've been in Faction War. In fact, when have you ever seen members of CMEVE (apart from JAF) out plexing trying to flip or keep a system? You haven't. Our boys are out there for LP, just like the majority of Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar militia. (Not sure about the Amarr, they're probably getting theirs on the Minny side, too.) Heck, even with the LP rewards, I STILL don't plex often. I hate it. It's boring as hell.
I find it amusing that you attack the Gallente for what they're doing, when really you're riding on the backs of people who are doing the same thing. You think most of the systems are getting plexed by Caldari who care about system occupancy? Nope. They're getting plexed by people who want that sweet sweet LP. And then, the roleplaying Caldari members, like yourself, swoop in and crack the bunker and then take all the credit for it.
You have this weird notion in your head that everyone participates in this roleplay just as you do and truly cares about this game... I hate to be the one to break it to you, but they don't. I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Frosteele
The Imperial Fedaykin
2
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Posted - 2012.06.21 06:38:00 -
[136] - Quote
There is no spoon |
Liquid Shock
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
5
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:01:00 -
[137] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:...the enemy of my friend is my BFF...
LOL. This made my day! That is all.
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
230
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:26:00 -
[138] - Quote
Liquid Shock wrote:Gunthar X wrote:...the enemy of my friend is my BFF... LOL. This made my day! That is all.
This is eve, If you don't like the rules change them. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
241
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Posted - 2012.06.21 10:36:00 -
[139] - Quote
Pulgy wrote:I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :) Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.
I find it funny that you guys keep bringing up this it was "OUR" fight non-sense.. I seem to remember a few months back when Caldari and the Russians attacked Snuff's POS in Suj, SoTF tried to make a appearance and a neutral cyno fitted Abaddon warped on grid with them and died in about 2 seconds to the Maelstrom Alpha fleet.
The Abaddon was a ex W-BR member and because it died so fast SoTF quickly withdrew their gang making it obvious it was with you guys. I pretty much always figured that was a Wolfbrigrade Cyno ship that was planning to cyno in W-BR caps to assist SoTF while butting into a Caldri/Russians vs Snuff fight.
Funny it was ok for you guys to "try" and interfere in a fight then, but it's not ok for us to do the same with out you getting butt hurt. It seems the sandbox excuse, is only good when it fits your personal interests, but for anyone else it's not viable reason. |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
83
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Posted - 2012.06.21 10:36:00 -
[140] - Quote
Great thread
I'm sure all of minnie militia are enjoying it as much as I am. Damar certainly has Sh*t Stiring trained to V **Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |
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Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
47
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Posted - 2012.06.21 11:05:00 -
[141] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:The amount of RP/ingame RULES qq in this thread is approachign the level of uttery faggotry that the Minnie tears thread did. I wish WBR would come around and trick you mouthbreathing animals into fights more often. Also glad you need SNUFFD to get anything done. I noticed ALOT of bragging about "taking down a Gallente capital fleet" then saw that no squids really were required. Good job showing up to a fight that had no risk lol. It's really not to much to ask that people pick a team. It's not difficult.. Gallente and Minmatar vs Caldari and Amarr, and if you've got butt buddies you just absolutely cannot part with, you go hang with them. There's a whole nullsec world of bropacts and never-ending blue lists, it'd be nice if the people who want to play this way would go play with the rest of the people who want this, and leave those of us who enjoy a somewhat more well-defined conflict alone. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.21 11:16:00 -
[142] - Quote
Mutnin wrote: Funny it was ok for you guys to "try" and interfere in a fight then, but it's not ok for us to do the same with out you getting butt hurt. It seems the sandbox excuse, is only good when it fits your personal interests, but for anyone else it's not viable reason.
By all means, interfere, the more the merrier, but if you bring the kitchen sink to a pantheon&dreads vs armor machs and guardians with supers in support fight , don't also pretend to have been relevant in that fight.
Also, ffs, stop posting, our minnie tears thread was 21 pages, don't want this to break the record, otherwise FG will have another reason to brag :) |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:13:00 -
[143] - Quote
We have had a team picked for a while already and we had even announced it when Inferno hit in the other huge rage/tear thread. I can't help it if you are illiterate.
Dynast wrote:its not too much to ask that people pick a team.
Well we chose differently and it was easy. What are you going to do about it? Put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro.
Quote:It's not difficult.. Gallente and Minmatar vs Caldari and Amarr
Also Lock - *sssshhhhhh* - i've been really enjoying the thread so far, don't kill it just yet! Oh and i disagree, they should keep pretending to be relevant maybe it'll make their balls grow to where they will actually do something about the bad bad 'doggie'. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:26:00 -
[144] - Quote
Markius TheShed wrote:Great thread I'm sure all of minnie militia are enjoying it as much as I am. Damar certainly has Sh*t Stiring trained to V
I dont thik many other people in the game have trained that up. There are few of course.
Now imagine if they would make me an ambassador to some country in RL. We'd probably soon Finland - Vanuatu war on our hands in no time
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Major Killz
State Protectorate Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:51:00 -
[145] - Quote
The same 2 corporation being trolled. Amusing. Why even respond? Silly. In thier respective milltia (Gallente, Amarr) thier often more effective. How much they need thier milltia in terms of PLEX warfare is another matter.
One day the Caldari milltia may be able to produce another very effective corporation. Strong enough to remove Shadows of the Federation and Snuff Box themselves. Maybe even with the support of the Caldari milltia.
Congratulations Snuff Box. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
71
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:40:00 -
[146] - Quote
Undock in something besides a BS or Cap....oh wait
FIRST GENERAL wrote: Well we chose differently and it was easy. What are you going to do about it? Put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro.
Is sexy time? |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
166
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:50:00 -
[147] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote:Undock in something besides a BS or Cap....oh wait FIRST GENERAL wrote: Well we chose differently and it was easy. What are you going to do about it? Put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro.
Make me :P |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
131
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:40:00 -
[148] - Quote
FIRST GENERAL wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Undock in something besides a BS or Cap....oh wait FIRST GENERAL wrote: Well we chose differently and it was easy. What are you going to do about it? Put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro.
Make me :P
I have some drakes you could borrow :) |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:57:00 -
[149] - Quote
chatgris wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Undock in something besides a BS or Cap....oh wait FIRST GENERAL wrote: Well we chose differently and it was easy. What are you going to do about it? Put your money where your mouth is and come at us bro.
Make me :P I have some drakes you could borrow :)
Oh, I'll "borrow" your drakes for sure! Send them right over...
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
241
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:48:00 -
[150] - Quote
Lock out wrote:Mutnin wrote: Funny it was ok for you guys to "try" and interfere in a fight then, but it's not ok for us to do the same with out you getting butt hurt. It seems the sandbox excuse, is only good when it fits your personal interests, but for anyone else it's not viable reason.
By all means, interfere, the more the merrier, but if you bring the kitchen sink to a pantheon&dreads vs armor machs and guardians with supers in support fight , don't also pretend to have been relevant in that fight. Also, ffs, stop posting, our minnie tears thread was 21 pages, don't want this to break the record, otherwise FG will have another reason to brag :)
No tears here why do you guys always try to equate discussion to tears. If anyone is tearing up it's the bulk of W-BR guys that cried over Caldari shooting them. As far as the Caldari fleet, I'd say we were pretty effective in that fight due to the fact we caught Shadow Cartel on the Akadgi gate killed all of their Heavy Dics including their main FC, then forced them to drop Caps on the gate vs at the actual fight. I assume they had more than the 2 Carriers coming that cyno'd in, meaning we pretty much kept them out of the main fight.
This allowed the super carriers to get away, because with all your elite advanced planning, you guys sure seemed very short on Heavy Dics knowing this was gonna be a Cap fight. Of course you guys are l33t and all and your gangs are much smarter than ours, so who am I to question l33t PVPers such as your self forgetting to bring Heavy dics to a cap fight.
Yes I'd say killing the only Heavy Dics to show up to the fight, killing the FC of the 3rd party that was there to help support you and killing their carriers was irrelevant to the fight.. Who I'm I kidding our crappy Drake gang was better off running plexes. |
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Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
14
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Posted - 2012.06.22 09:54:00 -
[151] - Quote
Crimper wrote:WOW! there's a huge amount of ego and alpha-male butthurt going on in FW these days! .
Well im not sure where you have been but in my experiance there has always been massive amounts of ego and butthurt in FW right from the early days. ( on the Caldari - Gallente front )
The war on the forums has always been just as bitter if not more so than the war in space. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
242
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:14:00 -
[152] - Quote
edit.. replied to wrong topic.. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
175
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:06:00 -
[153] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente.
to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS
*tries to jumpstart the thread again*
Ofc they are winning it WITHOUT CAPS, because they LOSE THEIR CAPS all the time.
Also 'caps lock' is, like, cruise control for cool and it makes you be right 103.8% of the time especially when you've never heard of syntax, grammar and spelling. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
175
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:13:00 -
[154] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:
How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea. I wonder what the rest of the Caldari groups would think of that, maybe we should become best bros with someone like Late Night Alliance and help them finish you guys off. Just so you know we would only being repping them and would not actively engage you since your friendlies and we wouldn't want to kill friendlies only rep those that are.
Not sure if i'd feel like watching a good comedy when seeing all your lolmails on the killboard or if i'd feel like a kid in the candystore! Probably a little bit of both!
Quote:Either way you have damned the entire Amarr militia to a future of zero Caldari help in their efforts to drive back the Minni's because I can't think of a single group that would assist the Amarr at this point regardless of the consequences to our own war. It is sad that the rest of your militia has to pay for you when they could be running joint ops with the Caldari like they used to and begin working together to regain their lost systems
Oh god, Empress save us, how will Amarr Militia survive without the mighty Caldari.
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:13:00 -
[155] - Quote
FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote:
How would you feel if all of the large Caldari groups formed a logi fleet or carrier fleet to help the Minni's take your home system, in fact that sounds like a wonderful idea. I wonder what the rest of the Caldari groups would think of that, maybe we should become best bros with someone like Late Night Alliance and help them finish you guys off. Just so you know we would only being repping them and would not actively engage you since your friendlies and we wouldn't want to kill friendlies only rep those that are.
Not sure if i'd feel like watching a good comedy when seeing all your lolmails on the killboard or if i'd feel like a kid in the candystore! Probably a little bit of both! Quote:Either way you have damned the entire Amarr militia to a future of zero Caldari help in their efforts to drive back the Minni's because I can't think of a single group that would assist the Amarr at this point regardless of the consequences to our own war. It is sad that the rest of your militia has to pay for you when they could be running joint ops with the Caldari like they used to and begin working together to regain their lost systems Oh god, Empress save us, how will Amarr Militia survive without the mighty Caldari.
I believe that if you want to see how well the Amarr are doing without the help of the Caldari all you have to do is take a look at the state of your space. While the Caldari sit here, as you say failing with our lolfits, we are able to gain tier 3 at will with 10+ systems ready to be captured at any given time while you sit there with 13 total systems and worthless LP yet, in your opinion,your better than everyone in every way because " your only here for the pvp" and don't care about the "RP of FW". So why are you in FW in the first place since this "RP" stuff is so stupid? I hate to inform you of something but just because you fight for your militia and try to help your allied militia does not make you a role player, that designation is for those entities who only allow only Amarr pilots into their corp/alliance and play every day in character which is in line with the back story of eve. Those of us who joined FW for the mechanics are not role players we are simply adhering to the mechanics that CCP has built into FW.
The funny thing is that even people in your own militia are chiming in about what they think of the situation and from what they are saying they think you guys are a bunch of tools the same as the rest of us, well with the exception of your lovers over in SOTF. One more thing, since you seem to think you guys are the best group in all of FW, instead of constantly taunting people to "come at you bro" why don't you pull the stick out and come at us? I mean you know where we are and you obviously do not care in the slightest how your viewed by anyone in FW so why not just put your money where your ego is and come at us? I am sure a group as l33t as yourselves could crush the entire Caldari militia within a day with your super uber ship fits and your amazing FC's, that and your BFFs will be there to save you if it even looks as if your ego has overridden your abilities. Just let us know we will be over here making money and getting fights while you sit over there firing your mega epeen lazors at EVE so you can achieve Charlie Sheen levels of "winning". Oh yea please continue posting on this forum as it is hours of entertainment for the masses and simply furthers the opinion that your group is one of the largest groups of douches outside of 0.0. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:21:00 -
[156] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote: your group is one of the largest groups of douches outside of 0.0.
Beeing Eve, I'll take that as a compliment. Ty, we're doing our best. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
175
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:26:00 -
[157] - Quote
To the man one post above Lock Out's^
Paragraphs - they are not a useless concept, use them.
Confirming we adhere to CCP FW Mechanics too - in this particular way by putting an alt into minmatar militia and farming their missions and oh so yummy lp store ( interjection: minnies, what's happenin', Y U NO moar tier 4?) Anyways done enough PVE for a while now so its Nbd. I guess you're just all :RP: about this whole thing.
Mommy taught me never to pull out my stick in public, you could come over to Kamela though and i'll show it to the limited Caldari audience. I guess what i'm saying is that my stick is so big that i cant get it into your tight plex |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:45:00 -
[158] - Quote
Is this an RP thread?
Can I be a pokemon? Poastin with my main |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
91
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:55:00 -
[159] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:So, before I hit the bed, just one more question. Anyone willing to write a battlereport from Snuff/Shadow cartel/Gal/Wbr perspective and add it here? Or would those cause this thread to become even more silly?
Sorry Damar, we're not really interested in getting involved in a forum pissing match between the militias. All I will say is that we were there purely for the chance of super kills and that all this drama is hilarious. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
128
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:55:00 -
[160] - Quote
@ Gunthar X.
Boo ******* hoo - we play this game how we want to, you play it how you want to. |
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:00:00 -
[161] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:So, before I hit the bed, just one more question. Anyone willing to write a battlereport from Snuff/Shadow cartel/Gal/Wbr perspective and add it here? Or would those cause this thread to become even more silly? Sorry Damar, we're not really interested in getting involved in a forum pissing match between the militias. All I will say is that we were there purely for the chance of super kills and that all this drama is hilarious.
I think it is more of a trolling post than a pissing contest, everyone knew why you guys were there and why Snuff was there and that was to get some kills.
To be honest it would have died had WBR not started in with their BS on how they were only there for their BFF's and can't understand why they were shot at by the Caldari. No one over here is upset over SOTF or any of the rest of the groups involved with the fight and it went well for the Caldari either way so we have no reason to be upset. I just enjoy pouring gas on a fire that Damar started, it passes the hours of boredom. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:06:00 -
[162] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:@ Gunthar X.
Boo ******* hoo - we play this game how we want to, you play it how you want to.
Now this is a quality response, so glad you chimed in with your commentary.
I was at work when this fight happened and had to listen to everything on the phone so I truly don't care about the fight itself even though hearing about another of your cap fleets exploding does create joy joy feelings in my life. I only chimed in because of the BS WBR continually spews about how they are so misunderstood and they were there to help us by killing Snuff. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
175
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:14:00 -
[163] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote: and had to listen to everything on the phone so I truly don't care about the fight
Confirming I too listen to fights on the phone while at work because i don't care.
Quote:cap fleets exploding does create joy joy feelings in my life Confirming three caps are now 'entire cap fleets'.
Keep chiming princess maybe we'll make it to page 10 still. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
128
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:31:00 -
[164] - Quote
It does make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside though that there seems to be pages and pages of stuff every time us or WBR so much as farts in space or lose / kill a ship or 3.
Snuff have and always will put up a good fight against us and to be fair seem to a lot of the time get one over on us - But please, stop jumping up on the coat-tails of people who know what they are doing like little kids in nursery trying to impress the older kids, if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:24:00 -
[165] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then.
Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff...
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
175
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:31:00 -
[166] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff...
Can't even give you points for effort on that one Damar. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:59:00 -
[167] - Quote
Hey Gunthar, maybe you would like some cheese with your quality whine? |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:04:00 -
[168] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff...
What the various parties bright to this op;
SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink
You gettin the picture? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
135
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:18:00 -
[169] - Quote
Tekitha wrote:What the various parties bright to this op;
SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink
You gettin the picture?
Yeah, that kitchen sink was totally out of place. :D
/me hugs his drake. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
98
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:23:00 -
[170] - Quote
Capitol One wrote:Hey Gunthar, maybe you would like some cheese with your quality whine?
OOOOOOOOOOO Chinese thats what Ill order tonight Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:30:00 -
[171] - Quote
Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... What the various parties bright to this op; SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink You gettin the picture?
Lets see what was left on the field in the end:
SOTF/WBR/SHDWC: wrecks and hurt feelings at least in the case of WBR Snuff: Machs, Logi, T3's, Supers OFF:Supers got out Caldari: Drakes, kitchen sink, transport ships to scoop said wrecks and hurt feelings to sell in Jita. |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:36:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... What the various parties bright to this op; SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink You gettin the picture? Lets see what was left on the field in the end: SOTF/WBR/SHDWC: wrecks and hurt feelings at least in the case of WBR Snuff: Machs, Logi, T3's, Supers OFF:Supers got out Caldari: Drakes, kitchen sink, transport ships to scoop said wrecks and hurt feelings to sell in Jita.
the outcome of the fight wasn't my point, my point was the relevance of the various parties to the outcome of it.
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:41:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Hey Gunthar, maybe you would like some cheese with your quality whine?
Wow really, even with Google that is seriously the best line you could come up with. That is sad, you sir make me a sad panda here let me assist you so that in the future you don't sound like a 12 year old.
Clever responses:
I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.
I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.
Who lit the fuse on your tampon?
I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.
I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.
If I throw a stick, will you leave?
I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent.
Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?
If you have something to say raise your hand... then place it over your mouth.
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no-one caring.
Please choose from the above listed cleaver comments and place them in a location where they are readily available so that in the future you can not sound like a complete moron. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:43:00 -
[174] - Quote
Tekitha wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... What the various parties bright to this op; SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink You gettin the picture? Lets see what was left on the field in the end: SOTF/WBR/SHDWC: wrecks and hurt feelings at least in the case of WBR Snuff: Machs, Logi, T3's, Supers OFF:Supers got out Caldari: Drakes, kitchen sink, transport ships to scoop said wrecks and hurt feelings to sell in Jita. the outcome of the fight wasn't my point, my point was the relevance of the various parties to the outcome of it.
So the fleet that killed the HICs before they could tackle the supers and forced two more carriers into the fight were not relevant to the overall battle. I am willing to bet that Snuff and OFF would disagree with this point, I believe that they would state that WBR was less useful to the overall outcome of the battle than the Calmil fleet. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
135
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:44:00 -
[175] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Please choose from the above listed cleaver comments and place them in a location where they are readily available so that in the future you can not sound like a complete moron.
Protip: When insulting anothers intelligence, do not use the wrong words :D.
(Otherwise, I really did like your list of insults, I plan to keep it handy!)
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:49:00 -
[176] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Please choose from the above listed cleaver comments and place them in a location where they are readily available so that in the future you can not sound like a complete moron. Protip: When insulting anothers intelligence, do not use the wrong words :D. (Otherwise, I really did like your list of insults, I plan to keep it handy!)
Stupid spell check and I changed the last part for ya, thanks for keeping me on my toes, btw Qcats are cool except for that chatgris guy he is a big meany. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
43
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:53:00 -
[177] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Capitol One wrote:Hey Gunthar, maybe you would like some cheese with your quality whine? Wow really, even with Google that is seriously the best line you could come up with. That is sad, you sir make me a sad panda here let me assist you so that in the future you don't sound like a 12 year old. Clever responses: I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. Who lit the fuse on your tampon? I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth. If I throw a stick, will you leave? I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent. Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning? If you have something to say raise your hand... then place it over your mouth. Do you hear that? That's the sound of no-one caring. Please choose from the above listed clever comments and place them in a location where they are readily available so that in the future you can not sound like a tard.
You sound really mad.
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Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:54:00 -
[178] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:
So the fleet that killed the HICs before they could tackle the supers and forced two more carriers into the fight were not relevant to the overall battle. I am willing to bet that Snuff and OFF would disagree with this point, I believe that they would state that WBR was less useful to the overall outcome of the battle than the Calmil fleet, but this would not allow you to continue beating your chest so we will ignore that logic for the moment and continue with how awesome you guys are.
granted, the call for you guys to intercept SHDWC on the gate was a great call, I won't deny that (interested to hear who made this call, I'd guess snuff?). However, there was one particularly massive derp on our part which is the main reason the fight went as it did, which was entirely irrelevant of any opposing parties actions.
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:00:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Capitol One wrote:Hey Gunthar, maybe you would like some cheese with your quality whine? Wow really, even with Google that is seriously the best line you could come up with. That is sad, you sir make me a sad panda here let me assist you so that in the future you don't sound like a 12 year old. Clever responses: I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. Who lit the fuse on your tampon? I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth. If I throw a stick, will you leave? I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent. Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning? If you have something to say raise your hand... then place it over your mouth. Do you hear that? That's the sound of no-one caring. Please choose from the above listed clever comments and place them in a location where they are readily available so that in the future you can not sound like a tard. You sound really mad.
How exactly would one "sound" mad on a forum post? Oh I bet this is something close to the "come at me bro" and "you mad bro" crap you guys were spouting earlier in the thread. Glad to see how thoughtful and insightful your posts are becoming. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
44
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:01:00 -
[180] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Salicaz wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Capitol One wrote:Hey Gunthar, maybe you would like some cheese with your quality whine? Wow really, even with Google that is seriously the best line you could come up with. That is sad, you sir make me a sad panda here let me assist you so that in the future you don't sound like a 12 year old. Clever responses: I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. Who lit the fuse on your tampon? I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth. If I throw a stick, will you leave? I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent. Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning? If you have something to say raise your hand... then place it over your mouth. Do you hear that? That's the sound of no-one caring. Please choose from the above listed clever comments and place them in a location where they are readily available so that in the future you can not sound like a tard. You sound really mad. How exactly would one "sound" mad on a forum post? Oh I bet this is something close to the "come at me bro" and "you mad bro" crap you guys were spouting earlier in the thread. Glad to see how thoughtful and insightful your posts are becoming.
Like this ^
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:03:00 -
[181] - Quote
Tekitha wrote:Gunthar X wrote:
So the fleet that killed the HICs before they could tackle the supers and forced two more carriers into the fight were not relevant to the overall battle. I am willing to bet that Snuff and OFF would disagree with this point, I believe that they would state that WBR was less useful to the overall outcome of the battle than the Calmil fleet, but this would not allow you to continue beating your chest so we will ignore that logic for the moment and continue with how awesome you guys are.
granted, the call for you guys to intercept SHDWC on the gate was a great call, I won't deny that (interested to hear who made this call, I'd guess snuff?). However, there was one particularly massive derp on our part which is the main reason the fight went as it did, which was entirely irrelevant of any opposing parties actions.
That was actually the Calmil FC's call once they found out about the fleet. As for your derp, what exactly did you screw up that would have changed that fight? Forget to bring Hic's or did you forget to call another friend to come protect your stuff from those mean old pirates and their Calmil lapdogs? |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:05:00 -
[182] - Quote
Salicaz wrote:
You sound really mad.
How exactly would one "sound" mad on a forum post? Oh I bet this is something close to the "come at me bro" and "you mad bro" crap you guys were spouting earlier in the thread. Glad to see how thoughtful and insightful your posts are becoming.
Like this ^
Yea I am just sitting here shaking with rage because of your hurtful comments on this game forum. I think I will go home, grab my favorite blanky and curl up in a ball for a good cry because those mean old WBR guys are upsetting me so much. Or I could be bored and just stirring up crap because it entertains me, but yea I am sure its the first one. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
44
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:07:00 -
[183] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Salicaz wrote:
You sound really mad.
How exactly would one "sound" mad on a forum post? Oh I bet this is something close to the "come at me bro" and "you mad bro" crap you guys were spouting earlier in the thread. Glad to see how thoughtful and insightful your posts are becoming.
Like this ^
Yea I am just sitting here shaking with rage because of your hurtful comments on this game forum. I think I will go home, grab my favorite blanky and curl up in a ball for a good cry because those mean old WBR guys are upsetting me so much. Or I could be bored and just stirring up crap because it entertains me, but yea I am sure its the first one.
So does everyone else
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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
99
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:08:00 -
[184] - Quote
Gunthar is mad about 99% f the time.
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
242
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:18:00 -
[185] - Quote
Tekitha wrote: the outcome of the fight wasn't my point, my point was the relevance of the various parties to the outcome of it.
I take it by you not even bothering to mention their help, that the Kitchen sink Gallente Militia gang, that showed up to help you was just not worth mentioning?
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:24:00 -
[186] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Tekitha wrote: the outcome of the fight wasn't my point, my point was the relevance of the various parties to the outcome of it.
I take it by you not even bothering to mention their help, that the Kitchen sink Gallente Militia gang, that showed up to help you was just not worth mentioning?
What does that have to do with anything it would in no way help their argument by admitting to that, you just stop with your facts and logic it defies everything they are trying to accomplish here. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:27:00 -
[187] - Quote
Salicaz wrote:
So does everyone else
You really should stop putting all that effort in, I mean are you even trying right now because if you are please stop and let the competent trolls from your group work your distracting them with your stupidity. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
44
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:28:00 -
[188] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Salicaz wrote:
So does everyone else
You really should stop putting all that effort in, I mean are you even trying right now because if you are please stop and let the competent trolls from your group work your distracting them with your stupidity.
Yup, he be mad. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
99
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:32:00 -
[189] - Quote
Salicaz wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Salicaz wrote:
So does everyone else
You really should stop putting all that effort in, I mean are you even trying right now because if you are please stop and let the competent trolls from your group work your distracting them with your stupidity. Yup, he be mad.
very mad Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:36:00 -
[190] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Salicaz wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Salicaz wrote:
So does everyone else
You really should stop putting all that effort in, I mean are you even trying right now because if you are please stop and let the competent trolls from your group work your distracting them with your stupidity. Yup, he be mad. very mad
I am so mad I am laughing. |
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Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:37:00 -
[191] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:Tekitha wrote:Gunthar X wrote:
So the fleet that killed the HICs before they could tackle the supers and forced two more carriers into the fight were not relevant to the overall battle. I am willing to bet that Snuff and OFF would disagree with this point, I believe that they would state that WBR was less useful to the overall outcome of the battle than the Calmil fleet, but this would not allow you to continue beating your chest so we will ignore that logic for the moment and continue with how awesome you guys are.
granted, the call for you guys to intercept SHDWC on the gate was a great call, I won't deny that (interested to hear who made this call, I'd guess snuff?). However, there was one particularly massive derp on our part which is the main reason the fight went as it did, which was entirely irrelevant of any opposing parties actions. That was actually the Calmil FC's call once they found out about the fleet. As for your derp, what exactly did you screw up that would have changed that fight? Forget to bring Hic's or did you forget to call another friend to come protect your stuff from those mean old pirates and their Calmil lapdogs?
cyno fail to bring in WBR, they ended up sitting in nenna with a cap fleet trying to cap up to rejump into aivonen. Also the fact taht SHDWC even had to come ia gate (out of bridge range) was a stupid oversight on our part. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:40:00 -
[192] - Quote
Tekitha wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Tekitha wrote:Gunthar X wrote:
So the fleet that killed the HICs before they could tackle the supers and forced two more carriers into the fight were not relevant to the overall battle. I am willing to bet that Snuff and OFF would disagree with this point, I believe that they would state that WBR was less useful to the overall outcome of the battle than the Calmil fleet, but this would not allow you to continue beating your chest so we will ignore that logic for the moment and continue with how awesome you guys are.
granted, the call for you guys to intercept SHDWC on the gate was a great call, I won't deny that (interested to hear who made this call, I'd guess snuff?). However, there was one particularly massive derp on our part which is the main reason the fight went as it did, which was entirely irrelevant of any opposing parties actions. That was actually the Calmil FC's call once they found out about the fleet. As for your derp, what exactly did you screw up that would have changed that fight? Forget to bring Hic's or did you forget to call another friend to come protect your stuff from those mean old pirates and their Calmil lapdogs? cyno fail to bring in WBR, they ended up sitting in nenna with a cap fleet trying to cap up to rejump into aivonen. Also the fact taht SHDWC even had to come ia gate (out of bridge range) was a stupid oversight on our part.
I could see that, if the Hic's would have hit the field with the caps it would have changed it up a little but then again you don't know what else would have hit the field at that point. However it was a good plan. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:48:00 -
[193] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:I take it by you not even bothering to mention their help, that the Kitchen sink Gallente Militia gang, that showed up to help you was just not worth mentioning?
Hush now, they were told on comms before the fight that they were expendable sacrificial lambs whose task was to defend Amarr wartargets. So they had clearly a defined role in the operation and were part of a grand strategy with carefully efted fits only the likes of Alexander the Great could have thought about.
Also, if that's what these people (Julius Foederatus among others) think of their own militia, I wonder what they think of us beneath their mask of "casual and relaxed dudes". |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
135
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:54:00 -
[194] - Quote
If you're using that fit to troll about bad fittings, please, don't look at kitchen sink losses from your own militia on my killboard :D |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:01:00 -
[195] - Quote
chatgris wrote:If you're using that fit to troll about bad fittings, please, don't look at the lossboard for your own militia (talking in general, I wasn't at this fight nor have I looked at the board) :D That fit is half decent.... for a gallente ship :)
I dont have to when I look on fits of some your FC's....
Oh right, I forgot, Gallente are best pvp'ers in game and everything they do is done after careful analysing and their militia is not at all full of terribad players in equal measure as every other militia.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
135
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:05:00 -
[196] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:chatgris wrote:If you're using that fit to troll about bad fittings, please, don't look at the lossboard for your own militia (talking in general, I wasn't at this fight nor have I looked at the board) :D That fit is half decent.... for a gallente ship :) I dont have to when I look on fits of some your FC's.... Oh right, I forgot, Gallente are best pvp'ers in game and everything they do is done after careful analysing and their militia is not at all full of terribad players in equal measure as every other militia.
He's an FC?
And I never said that my militia isn't full of terribad players like every other militia (though you're trying to say in other threads that somehow us Gallente are more active).
I was however trying to point out that the first fit you linked really wasn't that bad especially in the context of how bad people fit. |
Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:08:00 -
[197] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
they were told on comms before the fight that they were expendable sacrificial lambs whose task was to defend Amarr wartargets.
Most players don't mind because they realize it's a game *le gasp* and ship loss is to be expected in warfare *le double gasp*. I'd have gladly been in the sacrificial lamb fleet were it asked of me. Suicide fleets are a blast. I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:08:00 -
[198] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:chatgris wrote:If you're using that fit to troll about bad fittings, please, don't look at the lossboard for your own militia (talking in general, I wasn't at this fight nor have I looked at the board) :D That fit is half decent.... for a gallente ship :) I dont have to when I look on fits of some your FC's.... Oh right, I forgot, Gallente are best pvp'ers in game and everything they do is done after careful analysing and their militia is not at all full of terribad players in equal measure as every other militia. He's an FC? And I never said that my militia isn't full of terribad players like every other militia (though you're trying to say in other threads that somehow us Gallente have a higher proportion of actives). I was however trying to point out that the first fit you linked really wasn't that bad especially in the context of how bad people fit, and if you were trying to insult Gallente with it, the Caldari (and many gallente ofc) fit much much worse.
He has a point. |
Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:12:00 -
[199] - Quote
chatgris wrote:
I was however trying to point out that the first fit you linked really wasn't that bad especially in the context of how bad people fit, and if you were trying to insult Gallente with it, the Caldari (and many gallente ofc) fit much much worse.
If you don't lose a ship with a terrible fit at least twice in your EVE career, you're not having fun.
I haven't lost it yet, but wait till my Battle Navitas dies. :P Lulz will be had. I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:32:00 -
[200] - Quote
Shadow Adanza wrote:Suicide fleets are a blast.
In my books, there is a clear difference between suicide fleet and "suicide fleet where your own side expects you to die for the glory and benefit of your war targets, because we have bropact and stuff".
Maybe you can answer this with another "le gasp" comment on how can I be so adamant in my view that latter is something no self-respecting pilot should do.
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Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:13:00 -
[201] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Suicide fleets are a blast. In my books, there is a clear difference between suicide fleet and "suicide fleet where your own side expects you to die for the glory and benefit of your war targets, because we have bropact and stuff". Maybe you can answer this with another "le gasp" comment on how can I be so adamant in my view that latter is something no self-respecting pilot should do. War targets are only war targets when they're actively against us. ^_^ Working with our friends is a good enough reason for me to put my ship on the line for them. I'm just a Caldari pilot fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar and Amarr ships. |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:50:00 -
[202] - Quote
Joanna Ramirez wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Suicide fleets are a blast. In my books, there is a clear difference between suicide fleet and "suicide fleet where your own side expects you to die for the glory and benefit of your war targets, because we have bropact and stuff". Maybe you can answer this with another "le gasp" comment on how can I be so adamant in my view that latter is something no self-respecting pilot should do.
honeslty, I told julius his fleet was for tackling the enemy mach's, I told him he wouldn't be in our fleet and hence getting no reps, I also told him there was a good chance he could ***** on some super kills. He and his fleet seemed happy with that deal
what of it? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
232
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:51:00 -
[203] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:chatgris wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:chatgris wrote:If you're using that fit to troll about bad fittings, please, don't look at the lossboard for your own militia (talking in general, I wasn't at this fight nor have I looked at the board) :D That fit is half decent.... for a gallente ship :) I dont have to when I look on fits of some your FC's.... Oh right, I forgot, Gallente are best pvp'ers in game and everything they do is done after careful analysing and their militia is not at all full of terribad players in equal measure as every other militia. He's an FC? And I never said that my militia isn't full of terribad players like every other militia (though you're trying to say in other threads that somehow us Gallente have a higher proportion of actives). I was however trying to point out that the first fit you linked really wasn't that bad especially in the context of how bad people fit, and if you were trying to insult Gallente with it, the Caldari (and many gallente ofc) fit much much worse. He has a point.
This one made me chuckle, we tagged it after dispersing some fairly large bunker busting fleet. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13662121
As for throwing my drake into that fight, well its a ham scram drake it did exactly what it was bought to do, pin something down and probably die. Got me on 4 mach kills, more than most of my drakes. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:59:00 -
[204] - Quote
Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... What the various parties bright to this op; SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink You gettin the picture?
Troll success. Look, we has caps too. Oh sh .. :) |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
234
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:16:00 -
[205] - Quote
Would just like to point out, the reason the Caldari are never called in, or spoken too about our ops, is you don't acutally matter. Not that im trying to be rude or anything(Cause im a nice guy). Its just we don't have to worry at all about you. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".
So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....
INB4 Minnie and Amarr claims we don't anyways, Gate travel is for poor people, I cyno chain/bridge into my fights. Not because its cool, just because I can. Also im lazy. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:19:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".
So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....
Check previous link, they do deploy deads :) Well, hope they bought new ones, at least.
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
234
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:25:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lock out wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".
So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....
Check previous link, they do deploy deads :) Well, hope they bought new ones, at least.
Two dreads is a cap fleet? ****, Like 20 guys in my corp are a cap fleet all by themselves. Mother *******. Also, Dreads with BCs as back up? Because Vindy 90% webs and Rapier TP's are overrated. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
17
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:26:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:(Cause im a nice guy).
Reminds that you tried to recruit me not long ago. After politely declining (Since I like blue jersey more than golden), you went to forums and labeled me as a whiny *****. I quess that says enough about your attitude.
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
234
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:48:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:(Cause im a nice guy). Reminds that you tried to recruit me not long ago. After politely declining (Since I like blue jersey more than golden), you went to forums and labeled me as a whiny *****. I quess that says enough about your attitude.
1 - I don't Recruit people, I just get them to think about it and then let Hellblazer deal with them. 2 - Calling someone a whiny ***** when they are doing so at that moment is nothing short of nice banter. 3 - My attitude is perfectly fine. Im pretty much the nicest person in eve. Ask my corpies. Im super friendly. If im yelling at you for being stupid, its not because im a ****, its because you're being ******* stupid. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:48:00 -
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Sync really is the nicest guy :3 |
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GenesisMike
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
26
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:54:00 -
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Crimper wrote:Gunthar X wrote:Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two. Friendly militia? Really? Where? Maybe insofar as game mechanics go theoretically, but thats about it! All I've read in this entire thread (and others like it) is the Caldari saying, " waahhhhh, you don't love us anymore! And you're being bullies. I'm gonna take my toys and go play with somebody else and when I grow up, I'm gonna hurt you". seriously, show me on the doll where daddy hurt you .
.... man thats funny. :) |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
475
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Posted - 2012.06.24 04:16:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:Snuffbox dunkin' on FW nerds and creatin' these tear threads. Like a boss.
Why does anyone think Amarr FW should help Caldari? Or Gallente help Minmatar? You're only "blue" to your own militia. Everything else is up to you. Stop cryin' you nerds.
The militias are tied together by a few things.
Of course beside having common enemies the main one is the mechanic that makes it so we can plex for the other militia. Hence the fact that amarr are really doing poorly right is likely hurting caldari quite a bit due to the minmatar lp store being a gold mine.
I don't really fight in the caldari gallente front but I would imagine the caldari face allot more minmatar plexing alts than amarr faces gallente plexing alts. In other words because our side of the war remains pretty lopsided everyone and their uncle wants to have a minmatar character doing plexes in the caldari back water systems.
Caldari seems to be effectively taking smart measures against this though. Utilizing the rule of no lp for defensive plexing tthey seem not to be flipping systems but instead leaving them vulnerable. Once they flip them then they have the task of chasing out the plexing alts. Both Gallente and Caldari seem to be putting this strategy to good use.
With about 20 systems sitting vulnerable I think there will be some pretty good fights on the horizon.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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GenesisMike
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
26
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Posted - 2012.06.24 05:11:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gunthar X wrote: and had to listen to everything on the phone so I truly don't care about the fight
Confirming I too listen to fights on the phone while at work because i don't care. Quote:cap fleets exploding does create joy joy feelings in my life Confirming three caps are now 'entire cap fleets'. Keep chiming princess maybe we'll make it to page 10 still.
See, this is why I have been laughing for almost 30 minutes while reading this thread.
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Mjolnir Gost
Providence Directorate INQUISITION.
10
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Posted - 2012.06.25 04:42:00 -
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Rydal32 wrote:From the Amarr militia perspective, several times on comms we made it clear that under no circumstances were we to engage the Caldari militia (excluding x13, who are allies of snuff box). This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari, and as such, would not face such concerted efforts from supposed allies to engage us and aid the pirates.
Damar, you are mistaken as usual. There was an opportunity to kill supercaps, unfortunately when given the option of engaging pirates fielding supercaps that have slaughtered the Caldari militia everyday for years, or to engage the Amarr militia, who have never engaged you, you chose the latter. Making our attempts at reconciliation futile. Even with the odds against us, we still had an opportunity to kill said supercaps, but when the Caldari milita began focusing down our cyno recons attempting to bring in more capital support, we had to disengage.
Reading between the lines (or just looking specifically at your posts Damar) its clear that you have had a long term agenda to create a divide between the Amarr militia and the Caldari, and a specific vitriol and hatred towards Wolfsbrigade.
Damar, as you are such an influence within the Caldari militia, we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future. Sad times indeed, but most likely you have achieved your goal, congratulations.
Yet you have not engaged the Caldari prime (greater militia) in this conversation? And you so quickly "declare war" against the Caldari?
From this "grunts" perspective we saw a WbR cyno land on field and assumed hostility considering the well known relationship between SOTF and WbR. Should this NOT have been the case, a simple heads up to the primary Caldari leaders involved would have been sufficient to prevent hostilities, however, in perfect WbR form, this was not given.
We now see that the Amaar blood is truly thiner than water and we look forward to what is to come. Rest assured we are prepared for a protracted conflict.
I look forward to any attempt at diplomatic resolve, consider this fair warning. It is NOT our wish to fight WbR, but Blackrise is OUR territory, ally with us or stay out. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
177
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:55:00 -
[215] - Quote
Mjolnir Gost wrote:Rydal32 wrote:Rydal's post Yet you have not engaged the Caldari prime (greater militia) in this conversation? And you so quickly "declare war" against the Caldari? From this "grunts" perspective we saw a WbR cyno land on field and assumed hostility considering the well known relationship between SOTF and WbR. Should this NOT have been the case, a simple heads up to the primary Caldari leaders involved would have been sufficient to prevent hostilities, however, in perfect WbR form, this was not given. We now see that the Amaar blood is truly thiner than water and we look forward to what is to come. Rest assured we are prepared for a protracted conflict. I look forward to any attempt at diplomatic resolve, consider this fair warning. It is NOT our wish to fight WbR, but Blackrise is OUR territory, ally with us or stay out.
We never declared war against caldari Mr. "I'll-empty-THE4-corphangar-and-wallets".
Also, try to stay at least consistent with what you're saying instead of embarrassing yourself when you're posting. First you say that you assumed hostilities with caldari because of 'the well known relationship with SoTF and W-BR' and yet you claim to be needing a headsup? I can only take that claim for the 'need of a headsup' as a poor excuse and nothing more.
And boy, although the chances of it happening are slim to none, we absolutely look forward to all of you guys growing up and learning to fight properly sometime....in a year or two. We'll welcome the challenge if there's every going to be one since we don't derive any pleasure from stealing a kid's ice-cream cone.
I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side.
Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory.
As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassement. |
Ganndor
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:21:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:[quote=Rydal32]Rydal's post I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side. Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory. As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassement.
hahahaha |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
34
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:23:00 -
[217] - Quote
Ganndor wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:[quote=Rydal32]Rydal's post I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side. Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory. As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassement. hahahaha
Your insightful and well thought out argument is a welcome relief amidst all this rabble Ganndor - oh wait... |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.25 14:02:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Gallactica wrote:if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then. Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... What the various parties bright to this op; SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs WBR - caps, hics SHDWC - cap, hics Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers OFF - supers Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink You gettin the picture? Troll success. Look, we has caps too. Oh sh .. :) Protip : if you are gonna deploy tracking dreads, you might want a vindi to 90 % web **** and a triage to keep that vindi alive, maybe even rep the primaried dreads if they manage to coast out of siege. Just sayin. 10/10 for the effort, 1/10 for the execution.
So you tell the world how you only lost 3 caps and how that was nothing blah....blah.....blah then you post a kill of two dreads and act as if the entire caldari cap fleet was killed. You can't have it both ways, either we agree that anything less than 5 caps dead is a skirmish or every cap killed is a fleet. Pick one because you can't have both. By the way those two dreads have been replaced and will be on the field again soon taking one of the 20 systems that are vulnerable at the moment but hey you got 2 dread kills your l33t.
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.25 14:43:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:Rydal32 wrote:Rydal's post Yet you have not engaged the Caldari prime (greater militia) in this conversation? And you so quickly "declare war" against the Caldari? From this "grunts" perspective we saw a WbR cyno land on field and assumed hostility considering the well known relationship between SOTF and WbR. Should this NOT have been the case, a simple heads up to the primary Caldari leaders involved would have been sufficient to prevent hostilities, however, in perfect WbR form, this was not given. We now see that the Amaar blood is truly thiner than water and we look forward to what is to come. Rest assured we are prepared for a protracted conflict. I look forward to any attempt at diplomatic resolve, consider this fair warning. It is NOT our wish to fight WbR, but Blackrise is OUR territory, ally with us or stay out. We never declared war against caldari Mr. "I'll-empty-THE4-corphangar-and-wallets". Also, try to stay at least consistent with what you're saying instead of embarrassing yourself when you're posting. First you say that you assumed hostilities with caldari because of 'the well known relationship with SoTF and W-BR' and yet you claim to be needing a headsup? I can only take that claim for the 'need of a headsup' as a poor excuse and nothing more. And boy, although the chances of it happening are slim to none, we absolutely look forward to all of you guys growing up and learning to fight properly sometime....in a year or two. We'll welcome the challenge if there's every going to be one since we don't derive any pleasure from stealing a kid's ice-cream cone. I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side. Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory. As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassment.
Since the Caldari militia is completely irrelevant in Black Rise why are we taking systems almost at will? Why do we have 10+ systems sitting there waiting to be taken, give or take exact numbers change daily, since we are irreverent. I think in the grand scheme of FW WBR is more useless and irrelevant in FW than CalMil could ever hope to be I mean you guys hold 11 systems your LP is useless and yet you still believe that CalMil is useless and your the best FW corp in Eve what exactally have you done for the Amarr militia lately other than pad your killboard and alienate CalMil.
As for what Gost said I 100% agree all you guys had to do was PM someone in that fleet and tell them that you guys were coming to fight and you would have been informed to be prepared to fight CalMil as we were blue to Snuff at the time. That would have ended the entire issue as both parties would have known what was going on and you would have known your cyno ship was going to get popped. Instead you lit your cyno and never contacted anyone then got a massive frontal wedgie when your cyno got killed. You decloak a cyno in the middle of a fleet expect it to die, most likely no one looked at the corp or militia of the pilot they saw a neutral cyno and killed it to protect their fleet and temp blues.
As far as politics and chest beating, I think this thread has produced plenty both outside CalMil and within, yes I know some was from me, however the facts are the facts. If WBR wishes to declare CalMil hostile so be it, CalMil has no intrest in working with WBR in any capacity, however do not get upset when you get shot at and then come onto the forums crying about how your innocent ship got popped.
In regards to another matter, Amarr militia this one is for you, if you guys need help please feel free to contact any of our alliance members with your request and we will be happy to work with you in the future as we are fighting the same fight and by helping you we will ultimately be helping ourselves. We understand that a single entity is not representative of an entire militia and our issues with WBR should not prevent us from assisting the Amarr. I have seen a few Amarr fleets over in Black Rise lately, the latest one being lead by Amarr 7th Fleet, if you guys want to pew along with us please let us know but please be aware that many of us are a little hesitant to trust Amarr at the moment so do not take it personally if we seem a little stand offish. Trust is earned and WBR has damaged the creditability of the Amarr quite a bit through their actions so please to not get upset if you get shot at on accident, or on purpose, if you do please get into contact with someone in CalMil about it and explain the situation and I am sure we can reach an agreement that works out for both parties involved. If your WBR and you lose a ship get over it.
As for CalMil, this argument is pointless WBR is hostile, we all knew it and we all know what happens if you see them in Black Rise around one of our operations so please do not worry about arguing with them any longer. We are doing well in our war and the fight this thread was based on was a fine example of CalMil putting aside normal hostilities to counter an enemy threat and regardless of fall out it was a successful op with the enemy losing caps and a Poco. Keep your head up and keep moving forward.
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
177
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Posted - 2012.06.25 14:59:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:Rydal32 wrote:Rydal's post stuff We never declared war against caldari Mr. "I'll-empty-THE4-corphangar-and-wallets". Also, try to stay at least consistent with what you're saying instead of embarrassing yourself when you're posting. First you say that you assumed hostilities with caldari because of 'the well known relationship with SoTF and W-BR' and yet you claim to be needing a headsup? I can only take that claim for the 'need of a headsup' as a poor excuse and nothing more. And boy, although the chances of it happening are slim to none, we absolutely look forward to all of you guys growing up and learning to fight properly sometime....in a year or two. We'll welcome the challenge if there's every going to be one since we don't derive any pleasure from stealing a kid's ice-cream cone. I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side. Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory. As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassment. more stuff
I'm not sure what's more entertaining, the fact that you keep flogging a dead horse, the fact that your posts are so full of contradictions that I'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud or the fact that you're selective reading and propagandist RP & FW interpretations of everything going on around you rival those of only Damar himself.
Nonetheless, KEEP UP TEH GOOD POASTNG Gunthar X.
Ninjaedit: Gunthar X for CSM 8 ! |
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Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:26:00 -
[221] - Quote
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
I'm not sure what's more entertaining, the fact that you keep flogging a dead horse, the fact that your posts are so full of contradictions that I'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud or the fact that you're selective reading and propagandist RP & FW interpretations of everything going on around you rival those of only Damar himself.
Nonetheless, KEEP UP TEH GOOD POASTNG Gunthar X.
Ninjaedit: Gunthar X for CSM 8 !
*the
*posting
Figured since you were trying to make fun of someone I would assist you in at least spelling the words correctly. You're welcome.
Please continue to prove why everyone thinks your group is a bunch of self centered tools rivaling only Goonswarm in their ability to alienate people around them. In fact I am willing to wager that most people would prefer to work with the Goons than with WBR.
One more point, before accusing people of contradicting themselves you should really take a look at your groups postings from the start of the threat until now, while we have been stating facts and pointing out that you guys cannot be trusted you have been moving from "we were there to help CalMil by killing Snuff" to "We think all of CalMil is useless and we are going to kill you all" so we keep the same story throughout and you guys change from we are here to help to we will kill you all and yet we are the ones contradicting ourselves.
Overall I would give your post a 10/10 on the Epeen scale with a -10/10 on relevant and factual information content kind of like the rating most people would give to your group. |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:29:00 -
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Reserved for WBR Epeen. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
177
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:48:00 -
[223] - Quote
Gunthar X wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:
I'm not sure what's more entertaining, the fact that you keep flogging a dead horse, the fact that your posts are so full of contradictions that I'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud or the fact that you're selective reading and propagandist RP & FW interpretations of everything going on around you rival those of only Damar himself.
Nonetheless, KEEP UP TEH GOOD POASTNG Gunthar X.
Ninjaedit: Gunthar X for CSM 8 !
*the *posting Figured since you were trying to make fun of someone I would assist you in at least spelling the words correctly. You're welcome. Please continue to prove why everyone thinks your group is a bunch of self centered tools rivaling only Goonswarm in their ability to alienate people around them. In fact I am willing to wager that most people would prefer to work with the Goons than with WBR. One more point, before accusing people of contradicting themselves you should really take a look at your groups postings from the start of the threat until now, while we have been stating facts and pointing out that you guys cannot be trusted you have been moving from "we were there to help CalMil by killing Snuff" to "We think all of CalMil is useless and we are going to kill you all" so we keep the same story throughout and you guys change from we are here to help to we will kill you all and yet we are the ones contradicting ourselves. Overall I would give your post a 10/10 on the Epeen scale with a -10/10 on relevant and factual information content kind of like the rating most people would give to your group.
Correcting somebody's spelling when the troll consists in using poor spelling intentionally is pretty fail . Let me educate you : MINTROLIO - look the man up.
You should come kill us with your mighty and already replaced dreads for having our priorities straight. Comparing us with Goons is again :meh: at best but a bit flattering nonetheless. Proud of creating content and spacedrama everyday
Finally trying to point out that our logic is flawed and that we are contradicting ourselves with saying that "we were there to help CalMil by killing Snuff" and (cba to actually go fetch the quote but i'll paraphrase appropriately) 'We know all of CalMil to be useless and you have chosen your sides so we'll deem you hostile from now on' is an amusing, because very poor, attempt at demonstrating that our logic is apparently flawed. Saying that killing Snuff helps CalMil and that CalMil is useless and will be shot at because they shot us is only contradictory to the unflexible and narrow mind.
Also Gunthar, before you run for CSM 8 : paraphrasing (when you paraphrase you need to give back the original idea/direction/sense of what another person said but can use another wording) =/= quoting (when you're quoting you need to leave everything as is or its not quoting), learn it. |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
4
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:49:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:So you tell the world how you only lost 3 caps and how that was nothing blah....blah.....blah then you post a kill of two dreads and act as if the entire caldari cap fleet was killed.
You sure it isn't their entire cap fleet?
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:52:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Would just like to point out, the reason the Caldari are never called in, or spoken too about our ops, is you don't acutally matter. Not that im trying to be rude or anything(Cause im a nice guy). Its just we don't have to worry at all about you. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".
So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....
INB4 Minnie and Amarr claims we don't anyways, Gate travel is for poor people, I cyno chain/bridge into my fights. Not because its cool, just because I can. Also im lazy.
... well we dont matter .... yes .... I confirm we dont matter (and that caps dead also confirm we dont matter) ... we are beggars of fw ... we beg for only one thing .... kills.
arrogance will only get you to places which I will like .... ... but I am not paying ur sub, as u are not paying mine. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
244
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:02:00 -
[226] - Quote
12 pages of EPeen posting by WBR because they don't care what anyone thinks.. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
177
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:05:00 -
[227] - Quote
12 pages of Mutnin and Caldari Militia trying to be relevant |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
4
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:06:00 -
[228] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:12 pages of EPeen posting by WBR because they don't care what anyone thinks..
mmmmm, nope I don't do EPeen
I'm purely here for the trolling because Caldari butthurt is strong with Gunthar. oh.. and his whiining is hilarious
esp when FG throws logic at him.
bwahahahaha
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X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
290
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:08:00 -
[229] - Quote
Rydal32 wrote: Even with the odds against us, we still had an opportunity to kill said supercaps, but when the Caldari milita began focusing down our cyno recons attempting to bring in more capital support, we had to disengage.
I keep reading how the Caldari derp drake fleet didnt matter, and then I come back to the second post of this entire thread and wonder whether that assessment is incorrect. Can I get some clarification please? |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
244
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:30:00 -
[230] - Quote
FIRST GENERAL wrote:12 pages of Mutnin and Caldari Militia trying to be relevant
Waiting for page 13 to find out why WBR & SoTF being such l33t PVPers, forgot to bring along Heavy Dics to a Cap fight that they expecting to kill supers in. Waiting to find out maybe on page 14 why Caldari Militia whom intercepted & killed the only Heavy Dics brought to the fight by third party Shadow Cartel and causing two more Carriers to die in fire were irrelevant.
Waiting for page 15 to say Heavy Dic again..
Just wondering did you guys just expect the Supers to stay on the field because of your pure awesomeness and ego boosting forum posting abilities? Or was it just a noob mistake? |
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Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
45
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:42:00 -
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To all the WBR fanbois here:
Join us or Wardec us! Money, mouth...put it there. All this winge,winge,winge on the forums is getting boring!
(These are my personal views and not necessarily those of WBR leadership....incase you start crying about this too). |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:49:00 -
[232] - Quote
FIRST GENERAL wrote:Correcting somebody's spelling when the troll consists in using poor spelling intentionally is pretty fail . Let me educate you : MINTROLIO - look the man up. You should come kill us with your mighty and already replaced dreads for having our priorities straight. Comparing us with Goons is again :meh: at best but a bit flattering nonetheless. Proud of creating content and spacedrama everyday Finally trying to point out that our logic is flawed and that we are contradicting ourselves with saying that "we were there to help CalMil by killing Snuff" and (cba to actually go fetch the quote but i'll paraphrase appropriately) ' We know all of CalMil to be useless and you have chosen your sides so we'll deem you hostile from now on' is an amusing, because very poor, attempt at demonstrating that our logic is apparently flawed. Saying that killing Snuff helps CalMil and that CalMil is useless and will be shot at because they shot us is only contradictory to the unflexible and narrow mind. Also Gunthar, before you run for CSM 8 : paraphrasing (when you paraphrase you need to give back the original idea/direction/sense of what another person said but can use another wording) =/= quoting (when you're quoting you need to leave everything as is or its not quoting), learn it.
I apologize I was unaware you were intentionally attempting to sound like a 12 year old; I will ensure that I do not correct your GÇ£intentionallyGÇ¥ misspelled words so that I do not degrade your quality trolling job, by the way its inflexible not unflexible unless you are referring to how far your legs went back when you came onto the field in your l33t cap fleet and had to run from Snuff/CalMil/OFF. I am also surprised that you take pleasure in causing drama, from what I have heard you guys were about as useful in CalMil as you are in Amarr militia mostly creating drama and beating everyone around you with your gigantic flaccid epeen.
I understand that GÇ£theseGÇ¥ are quotation marks and that they are used to paraphrase comments and to separate those comments from the normal flow of the sentence structure if I had wanted to GÇ£quoteGÇ¥ you I would have done this GÇ£This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years.GÇ¥ or this GÇ£We know exactly how the mechanics of the fight played out and the Caldari "comaraderie" was never considered to be a part of it.GÇ¥ GÇ£Too bad the Caldari had to make such a huge thing over it all.GÇ¥ If you read the original post you will see that nothing huge was made of your involvement other than you jumped in and your cyno died the majority of the post was dealing with the actions leading up to the fight and the results at the end your group got a grand total of maybe 6 lines out of 40 yet the very next post you are there defending why you showed up and admonishing CalMil for shooting your cyno and stating GÇ£we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future.GÇ¥ and later GÇ£there's certainly no butthurt coming from our side.GÇ¥ You see how I put those in italics along with the GÇ£marks?
It seems to me that the GÇ£dramaGÇ¥ was started by your own posts and the CalMil responses only fueled your need to back pedal. I also cannot take credit for the spelling mistakes in any quote made as apparently they meant to misspell those words for their l33t trolling. Here is another GÇ£Even with the odds against us, we still had an opportunity to kill said supercaps, but when the Caldari milita began focusing down our cyno recons attempting to bring in more capital support, we had to disengage.GÇ¥ DoesnGÇÖt really help your case when you say this afterwardsGÇ¥ Its just we don't have to worry at all about you. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob.' Or this GÇ£So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela.GÇ¥ Either we are a factor or we are not but please keep the same story. As I stated before when you start a forum epeen fight please send out a corp mail so all of your BS stories match because this is getting way too easy.
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Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
45
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:53:00 -
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[quote=Gunthar X
Sheer Anger
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Do something about it :) If you don't like the way we play, change our rules :) |
Crimper
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
4
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:55:00 -
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Gunthar X wrote:I apologize I was unaware you were intentionally attempting to sound like a 12 year old
Gunthar... you are 12 years old? |
Major Killz
State Protectorate Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:19:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:12 pages of Mutnin and Caldari Militia trying to be relevant Waiting for page 13 to find out why WBR & SoTF being such l33t PVPers, forgot to bring along Heavy Dics to a Cap fight that they expected to kill supers in. Waiting to find out maybe on page 14 why Caldari Militia whom intercepted & killed the only Heavy Dics brought to the fight by third party Shadow Cartel and causing two more Carriers to die in fire were irrelevant. Waiting for page 15 to say Heavy Dic again.. Just wondering did you guys just expect the Supers to stay on the field because of your pure awesomeness and ego boosting forum posting abilities? Or was it just a noob mistake?
I may be wrong, but I do believe multiple neutralisers are capable of immobilising a carriers jump drive capabilities.
"all capital ships and Black Ops battleships need a lot of capacitor charge to perform a jump between systems. Basic capacitor need for a jump is 95%". Quoted from Evelopedia. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
177
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:22:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Mutnin wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:12 pages of Mutnin and Caldari Militia trying to be relevant Waiting for page 13 to find out why WBR & SoTF being such l33t PVPers, forgot to bring along Heavy Dics to a Cap fight that they expected to kill supers in. Waiting to find out maybe on page 14 why Caldari Militia whom intercepted & killed the only Heavy Dics brought to the fight by third party Shadow Cartel and causing two more Carriers to die in fire were irrelevant. Waiting for page 15 to say Heavy Dic again.. Just wondering did you guys just expect the Supers to stay on the field because of your pure awesomeness and ego boosting forum posting abilities? Or was it just a noob mistake? I may be wrong, but I do believe multiple neutralisers are capable of immobilising a carriers jump drive capabilities. "all capital ships and Black Ops battleships need a lot of capacitor charge to perform a jump between systems. Basic capacitor need for a jump is 95%". Quoted from Evelopedia.
Case and point |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
244
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:01:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Major Killz wrote:Mutnin wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:12 pages of Mutnin and Caldari Militia trying to be relevant Waiting for page 13 to find out why WBR & SoTF being such l33t PVPers, forgot to bring along Heavy Dics to a Cap fight that they expected to kill supers in. Waiting to find out maybe on page 14 why Caldari Militia whom intercepted & killed the only Heavy Dics brought to the fight by third party Shadow Cartel and causing two more Carriers to die in fire were irrelevant. Waiting for page 15 to say Heavy Dic again.. Just wondering did you guys just expect the Supers to stay on the field because of your pure awesomeness and ego boosting forum posting abilities? Or was it just a noob mistake? I may be wrong, but I do believe multiple neutralisers are capable of immobilising a carriers jump drive capabilities. "all capital ships and Black Ops battleships need a lot of capacitor charge to perform a jump between systems. Basic capacitor need for a jump is 95%". Quoted from Evelopedia. Case and point
It doesn't stop them from warping away to a safe and cloaking until they can get cap to jump out. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of "pre-planing" would have brought heavy Dics.. (oh I said it early) to ensure they can't escape.
I suspect by the fact that there are no dead Super Carriers in this fight means that trying to rely on sheer awesomeness & ego booster forum posting to hold super caps on grid with no tackle, actually equals noob mistake. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
71
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:02:00 -
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Shhhhhhh!
There is absolutely no place for logic in this thread! Only silly accusations, arrogant chest beating and whining is allowed.
Major Killz wrote:
I may be wrong, but I do believe multiple neutralisers are capable of immobilising a carriers jump drive capabilities.
Moar drama pls!
Is sexy time? |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:38:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Shhhhhhh! There is absolutely no place for logic in this thread! Only silly accusations, arrogant chest beating and whining is allowed. Major Killz wrote:
I may be wrong, but I do believe multiple neutralisers are capable of immobilising a carriers jump drive capabilities.
Moar drama pls!
shhh .. u will spoil it ...
there is no drama around .... just serious business ... o'rightie? IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
234
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:41:00 -
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Don't mind me, just taking a ****, seems the right place now. |
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Siobhan Ni
Snuff Box
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:09:00 -
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Standings reset.
Blackrise will burn. |
Emily Florence Nightingale
Uskudar
1
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:20:00 -
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Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Suicide fleets are a blast. In my books, there is a clear difference between suicide fleet and "suicide fleet where your own side expects you to die for the glory and benefit of your war targets, because we have bropact and stuff". Maybe you can answer this with another "le gasp" comment on how can I be so adamant in my view that latter is something no self-respecting pilot should do. honeslty, I told julius his fleet was for tackling the enemy mach's, I told him he wouldn't be in our fleet and hence getting no reps, I also told him there was a good chance he could ***** on some super kills. He and his fleet seemed happy with that deal what of it?
SoTF have done their time as meet sheilds and in FW it has always been the case that the large or at least more agressive corps have used the rank and file Gal Mil as "canon fodder" SNUFF use State Pro in the same way. Now SOTF sit at the top table...
As tek said, what of it?
Also, did you guys all forget this is a game, where mates will help mates and the Militias are not allainces and have never shared common goals.
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eddie valvetino
Snuff Box
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:15:00 -
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Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:Tekitha wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Suicide fleets are a blast. In my books, there is a clear difference between suicide fleet and "suicide fleet where your own side expects you to die for the glory and benefit of your war targets, because we have bropact and stuff". Maybe you can answer this with another "le gasp" comment on how can I be so adamant in my view that latter is something no self-respecting pilot should do. honeslty, I told julius his fleet was for tackling the enemy mach's, I told him he wouldn't be in our fleet and hence getting no reps, I also told him there was a good chance he could ***** on some super kills. He and his fleet seemed happy with that deal what of it? SoTF have done their time as meet sheilds and in FW it has always been the case that the large or at least more agressive corps have used the rank and file Gal Mil as "canon fodder" SNUFF use State Pro in the same way. Now SOTF sit at the top table... As tek said, what of it? Also, did you guys all forget this is a game, where mates will help mates and the Militias are not allainces and have never shared common goals.
post with your main
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:17:00 -
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Siobhan Ni wrote:Standings reset.
Blackrise will burn.
Big words for lowsec , but pocos are burning for sure :) |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
251
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Posted - 2012.06.29 07:18:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Siobhan Ni wrote:Standings reset.
Blackrise will burn. Big words for lowsec , but pocos are burning for sure :)
Is there much ISK in those things anyway? Seems like as much as those pocos get blown up in low sec that I couldn't imagine the average ones ever pay for themselves.. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
220
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Posted - 2012.06.29 10:02:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Lock out wrote:Siobhan Ni wrote:Standings reset.
Blackrise will burn. Big words for lowsec , but pocos are burning for sure :) Is there much ISK in those things anyway? Seems like as much as those pocos get blown up in low sec that I couldn't imagine the average ones ever pay for themselves..
When they stay there and do their thing, they are reasonable passive income . Not enough income to warrant daily CTAs and **** like that though. I'd say a good one can push 2-300 mil/month, but on average, you get way less. |
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