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Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.21 09:18:00 - [1] fking finally Structure signature radius: Good, one dire needed fix done after xx years of missiles not hitting them for full damage. Module changes: Why the mass addition for them / howmuch is it? Good for triage, too. Dreads: What is the exact net effect on the nag? Why couldn't you make it work with dual bonused weapon platforms? XL turrets: Good to see long range DPS buffed a little, it was lacking. With these ranges and (I suppose) the new effect from the siege module, short range guns will actually be viable on dreads. Citadel missiles: This change puts torpedo max range at just under 60km which, like the shortrange guns, is much more reasonable. However this still does not fix anything about capital ships able to significantly reduce the damage from citadel missiles by simply moving. And it still doesn't fix the total inability of citadel missiles to deal damage against non-capital targets, something that dreads don't really need, but the leviathan surely does. Gun titans can reliably hit non-moving sub BS ships due to the tracking formula, however missiles don't stand a chance, ever. Motherships -> Supercarriers: Mixed feelings, but you know why. Titans: Why only a buff to the rag and lev? When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.21 09:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Brennah The way these ships perform are more like Supercarriers than a true mothership, so the new naming convention is more correct. But it sounds significantly less awesome, and since when did EVE care for realism? When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.21 18:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Xodius Raldari Originally by: CCP Abathur Edited by: CCP Abathur on 21/12/2009 17:43:28 Originally by: Xodius Raldari Will you be making any changes to the ragnarok current ehp? Right now the balance is pretty terrible compared to armor titans or even leviathan. Care to elaborate on this? Sure thing. Right now on a very expensive Ragnarok you'll get about 42m ehp. Compared to an avatar (~58m) or an erebus with HG slaves (~48m). That's not including any gang bonuses at all. Now say you have an erebus boosting the armor titans, when they jump into a system their EHP gain is instant. When you have a leviathan in gang the shield titans need reps or about a day to regen their shields and have proper EHP, which will still be way less than the armor titans. That's a separate issue that needs fixing altogether. Originally by: Xodius Raldari Not even including the fact that 90% of nowadays carriers will go for CRAR and not CST's. That's the failure of your chimera piltos (which should have 2), and your thanny and nid pilots (which should have one). When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.21 18:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Xodius Raldari Sure, please explain to me why our thanny and nid pilots should have these when most fleet ships nowadays are armor tanked. Chimeras and phoenixes are barely seen in fleets due to the same fact I pointed out above (erebus/leviathan bonuses). You should go have a look at fleet fights in 0.0 larger than 100vs100 and check out the number of shield tanked capitals. Oh hello, most fleet ships are not armour tanked. It may not be 50/50 but there are plenty. (like 2 of the titans and 2 of the dreads f. ex) Originally by: Xodius Raldari How is the shield titans's EHP (most importantly ragnarok) and shield regen issue not to be talked about here? This thread is called Capital Ships in Dominion 1.1. Sure you can talk about it but its been brought up numerous times and involves more than just the titans :) When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.21 19:35:00 - [5] I will be taking off the shieldbooster of my lev and fitting something useful instead. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.22 11:45:00 - [6] Originally by: LoveKebab but hey, at least u didnt say u want lowsec-DD back... I'll do it in his place.. BRING BACK LOWSEC DD! ps. <3 When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.22 18:11:00 - [7] Originally by: darkmancer What about giving fighters & fighter bombers smartbomb imu Making something invulnerable against something else is generally a bad idea. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.24 20:32:00 - [8] Please, someone show me a viable Leviathan fit that has more than 50 mil ehp.. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.24 21:52:00 - [9] Originally by: LoveKebab Originally by: Sokratesz Please, someone show me a viable Leviathan fit that has more than 50 mil ehp.. [eft warrior 1] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Explosion Dampening Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing I stressed the important bits. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.25 12:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Joabinanias I feel that's a very viable levi fit. The low cap regen problem is solved by having the carriers that are supporting you fit a remote energy reps. It gets 50m+ EHP with a somewhat decent passive defense. There might be a lot of faction gear to buy but it's not as expensive as if you needed officer mods to get those kind of stats. You're gonna want 1 or 2 BCU's to get a decent DPS out of your torps, and wtb volunteers to fly carriers with the sole purpose of providing cap for a titan. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!

Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.25 12:37:00 - [11] And then there's still the issue of the missing 37.5% shield hp due to gang bonuses. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.25 23:40:00 - [12] Am against motherships docking for the reason that they are super caps and should require dedication to fly. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.26 09:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Sokratesz on 26/12/2009 09:18:08 Originally by: Keria Nue Originally by: Sokratesz Am against motherships docking for the reason that they are super caps and should require dedication to fly. One thing though, the amount of time to skill for it and the amount of ISK required to buy it should be dedication enough. CCP initially thought no more than three titans would be in-game total because of the ISk cost..boy, did they find that out the hard way. I think the dedicated character is just the right measure for it really, and besides, Abathur already said a few times that they will not be able to dock in the forseeable future. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Sokratesz on 09/01/2010 22:15:47 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: Zeveron I think I am doing somthing wrong bcs I am getting 43m ehps with 4 officer pdus w/o the leviathan bonus. 58m with the bonus. CN PDUs give +6% shield hp, officer give +5%. Switch to CN PDUs and your w/levi bonus amount should be right at 61.6m 5 PDU's on a lev may not be a good idea in general, and with the missing 37.5% shield, it doesn't even come close to other titan's EHP any way.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.10 10:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Lee Kin Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 09/01/2010 22:15:47 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: Zeveron I think I am doing somthing wrong bcs I am getting 43m ehps with 4 officer pdus w/o the leviathan bonus. 58m with the bonus. CN PDUs give +6% shield hp, officer give +5%. Switch to CN PDUs and your w/levi bonus amount should be right at 61.6m 5 PDU's on a lev may not be a good idea in general, and with the missing 37.5% shield, it doesn't even come close to other titan's EHP any way. You're quite right. It's far better to fit 4 CN pdu's and a damage control 2. This allows almost 62 mil effective hitpoints with the leviathon bonus and still out damages the other titans. 4 PDU's + DCU still doesn't come close to other titans EHP, and the leviathans dps is stretched thin over a huge sig radius and hence only realistically works against cap ships.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.10 16:17:00 - [16] Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/01/2010 16:20:52 Originally by: Aequitas Veritas What they need to fix is the shield bonus having to recharge and the bug that caps resists at 90% That little caveat kind of destroys your entire argument, but please show support for a fix.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.11 09:58:00 - [17] Agreeing with ed. also, about dominion 1.1.. ETA PLOX
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.13 12:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Dursun Idris I'm really getting tired of saying this over and over but... Please. Naglfar's skill requirements were higher than all other dreads already, and now they are just insane... Turret... only... naglfar... It's been said over and over again. We are NOT getting a turret only nag.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.01 11:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Linas IV Better fix the Hel Finaly Give it the proposed 7,5% Fighterbomber Expl.-radius reduction per level and maybe move a Lowslot to an additional Medslot and its Fixed Because that wouldn't be totally out of line with the rest of the capital lineup? Hel's bonus is fine, base stats need tuning. CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.02 02:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Doof Hardcastle yeah man that rep amount bonus is really useful on a ship that doesn't have enough ehp as it is, let alone after fitting some cap recharge on it good call dumbass I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm too lazy to post the bunny with the pancake on it's head. CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.02 11:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Murixo Bolded the part you didn't read. Would prefer to see the session change/shields issue fixed tbh. Some folks just wanna watch the forums burn man, they don't care about the relevance of anything they spout CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.02 12:00:00 - [22] Originally by: BloodMia In the same way, the big issue is that pirate implants are unbalanced for supcaps. Look at, hum nyx and hel, without slave and crystal, they have pretty similar ehp. Add them and let's see how armor superap seems to be overboosted! That's another thing that'll need looking at - but at least CCP have admitted that it is unbalanced. CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D

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