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Aloriana Jacques
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.24 03:16:00 -
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Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Empire Dweller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.12.24 19:09:00 -
[32]
just makes sense
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Rutger Centemus
Dvice Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.12.24 23:03:00 -
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Supported.
 Originally by: Crumplecorn
I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
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Posted - 2009.12.24 23:16:00 -
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supported.
Its an exploid which has to be fixed fast.
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Song Li
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Posted - 2009.12.25 06:42:00 -
[35]
Agreed. They got rid of ghost training, ghost R&D should go to.
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Darax Thulain
Minmatar
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 15:18:00 -
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You guys need to think this through before voting for this. At the moment it is not easy to know how many actually choose to recativate accounts for this purpose, but I am one of them.
Still, you may say that it deflates value of datacores. This is true, but you are forgetting the fact that the price of t2 stuff is still going up atm and the datacores costs alot(they can take some more deflation imho). And if this is implemented they will reach an all time high.
Give it some thought.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.26 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Darax Thulain
You guys need to think this through before voting for this. At the moment it is not easy to know how many actually choose to recativate accounts for this purpose, but I am one of them.
Still, you may say that it deflates value of datacores. This is true, but you are forgetting the fact that the price of t2 stuff is still going up atm and the datacores costs alot(they can take some more deflation imho). And if this is implemented they will reach an all time high.
Give it some thought.
Yet why should you get the benefit of an account that you're not paying for?
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Darax Thulain
Minmatar
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Darax Thulain on 26/12/2009 15:50:34
Not saying you should. Im just saying what the results of such a change would be.
edit; leave space for people to find text!
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Darax Thulain
Edited by: Darax Thulain on 26/12/2009 15:50:34
Not saying you should. Im just saying what the results of such a change would be.
edit; leave space for people to find text!
If your not paying for the account... you have no business exploiting an game mechanic.
Market prices are frakked as it is because of the exploitation and anything else you can think of that people shouldn't be doing. It isn't an excuse to allow it to continue.
For you to even dare defend such a thing proves this is a larger problem than you claim it not to be.
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Darax Thulain
Minmatar
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
If your not paying for the account... you have no business exploiting an game mechanic.
Market prices are frakked as it is because of the exploitation and anything else you can think of that people shouldn't be doing. It isn't an excuse to allow it to continue.
For you to even dare defend such a thing proves this is a larger problem than you claim it not to be.
Right, lets try to have an intelligent discussion.
Your first point; If your not paying for the account... you have no business exploiting an game mechanic.
I agree with this, apart from the fact that you call it an exploit. It has been like this since 2003.
Your second point; Market prices are frakked as it is because of the exploitation and anything else you can think of that people shouldn't be doing. It isn't an excuse to allow it to continue.
What? Allowing this particular thing to continue will allow the prices to remain as they are, stopping it would create a massive increase in t2 prices that would "frakk" the market.
Your third point; For you to even dare defend such a thing proves this is a larger problem than you claim it not to be.
At the moment the market would suffer more from changing the current mechanic(broken or not) than it would benefit from it. So yes, I am defending it. Have you even seen the t2 ship prices lately?
Darax Thulain.
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Voddick
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vod**** on 26/12/2009 21:18:15
Darax,
I donÆt think the markets are a fragile as you make them out to be. LetÆs say this proposal goes through and the exploit gets fixed. You could still maintain your datacore income by simply paying for those accounts every month like everyone else. OR, letÆs say you (the greater ôyouö of people that do this) choose to fight back by not paying for your accounts and attempt to crash the T2 / invention market. A temporary vacuum will be created that will be immediately filled by entrepreneurs.
I envision things will go like this: CCP announces the end of ghost datacore production. All accounts like ôyoursö become active and cash in to avoid losing the cores you have already accumulated. A small but temporary decrease in T2 prices result as the market is flooded. Those flood stocks will eventually run low, increasing demand. Active players will notice this and rush in to fill this demand and their wallets. The markets will again stabilize, healthier than before, thanks to active producers supplying a steady stream of cores rather than a group of individuals dumping thousands of cores into the market on an annual basis.
Another way to look at it: If you choose to not keep your accounts active then you could always sell the characters on the forums for another isk windfall to people that will keep them active and producing cores.
As always, feedback and discussion is appreciated.
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Darax Thulain
Minmatar
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:57:00 -
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@ Vod****.
Well, you do make alot of sense. As far as prediction goes this one is as good as any. But since I am one that have made numerous R&D alts I can at least attest that this isnt something you do overnight, and the market would not be "immediately" filled by entrepreneurs.
I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
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Voddick
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:55:00 -
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Darax,
I appreciate you arguing the ôother sideö of this issue. It has given me some valuable insight on the potential results of its passage.
To pick your brain a little further: ôIFö this measure is passed and implemented, what would your likely course of action be with your datacore accounts. Although itÆs a given that any market speculation at this point would just be a shot in the dark, letÆs say datacore prices were to increase. Would this influence you to keep those accounts active and reap the rewards? Or would you find it more viable to just move on and sell the accts (legally) or let them sit unused?
At this point IÆm just trying to gain more info on the results / impact of this issue on characters (like you) and the markets.
Vod
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.12.26 23:54:00 -
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market results? easy enough.
If all unsubbed accounts used to farm datacores where subbed because of this change prices would remain at roughly the same level. There may a slight decrease at first- from ppl cashing in their datacores all at once. But over a period of time the price would stabilize back to their "normal" levels.
The accounts that are left to die would be replaced with new datacore farmers.
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Darax Thulain
Minmatar
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.27 00:18:00 -
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@ Vodd-ick (stupid filter)
My likely course of action;
1: Dump the entire load on the best avaiable buy orders around eve, stop dumping if the buy orders are less than 90% of the original buy orders. -> stockpile rest.
2: Watch as others do or attempt to do the same as me. See how the changes pan out.
3: Resub the accounts if the prices crawl up to what they were, or the datacores prices go up so much that the accounts are self sufficient by gtc or plex.
Its important to note that I have at least 15 agents per account, and the only way I am getting a profit out of this atm since I am using gtc to fund accts, is to let them go inactive and claim at a later date.
Any spelling mistakes I blame on the mead.
-Darax
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Alexis Cato
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Posted - 2009.12.27 16:41:00 -
[46]
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Amy Garzan
The Warp Rats
Core Factor
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Posted - 2009.12.28 02:53:00 -
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Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.12.28 02:59:00 -
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Hamano Walker
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Posted - 2009.12.28 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Darax Thulain
Its important to note that I have at least 15 agents per account, and the only way I am getting a profit out of this atm since I am using gtc to fund accts, is to let them go inactive and claim at a later date.
-Darax
Don't take this as a personal attack, but I think that perfectly proves the point that there is a problem. You and presumably others are able to make what amounts to free money. Your research accounts buy a GTC and come online twice a year (or however often) and dump their datacores. Your primaries get the benefit.
I don't have a problem with making enough profit to buy GTC's per se. Its that my research alt (which I don't actually have) costs me $5/month (monthly rate/3 for 3 characters on one account) since its on my primary account and yours costs you $10 a year (same formula but only active for two months of the year) for exactly the same benefits.
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Jared Ulfsuun
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Posted - 2009.12.28 20:05:00 -
[50]
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.12.28 20:53:00 -
[51]
Since the inception of the game, the longer you remain in the game, the more metagaming tricks you learn. The metagaming tricks are, more than anything else, why older players have fat passive income, while newer players struggle.
It is also why (I think) newer players get frustrated by the game. If players make it long enough in the game to get into corps/alliances, they eventually ask "how do you make so much money?" The answer is usually met with stunned silence or complaints about how it breaks the game.
Whether it is 20 mining alts sucking on Veld AFK, or POS tricks that magically create moon mins, or inactive training characters to sell, or inactive research, and anything else... they really do not help the market as a whole as only a small portion of people are actually involved in these activities.
When income disparity comes from manipulating the game, not playing it, the game is broken.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2009.12.28 21:14:00 -
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Supported. Frankly I can't believe they allowed this.
To the one guy who argues the opposite. If you made a bunch of alts that you don't want to pay for then sell them. If the cost of datacores skyrockets like you claim it will then you should make good bank from them.
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Dato Tovikov
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Posted - 2009.12.29 16:10:00 -
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This makes perfect sense, I can't not agree with it |
w1ldt4ngent
SWARTA
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Posted - 2009.12.29 16:32:00 -
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This should be dealt with.
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Aveng3X
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.29 19:55:00 -
[55]
/support
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Darth Nicrus
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Posted - 2009.12.29 20:59:00 -
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:04:00 -
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Supported.
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:42:00 -
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Supported
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Greygal
Sephray Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.31 13:14:00 -
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Agree with proposal.
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Kiko Tojima
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Posted - 2009.12.31 16:45:00 -
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Supported
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