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Tomcat
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 17:43:00 -
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The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1
Keyword; Strategy. We play chess in game, we plan for our opponents move, we try to pre-plan on what to do when it happens, and with different scenarios. Theres nothing we haven't seen, we seen it all, in various places, all over New Eden.
Monday night was no different then other nights. We weren't actually expecting a fight.... as the night grew older, we saw that we might get one, the enemy is amassing in K25, local goes up to 350 in k25 before the showdown while we are preparing to kill and siege a hostile SBU. We get reports of 100+ hostile capitals, and people start waking up from their slumbers.... we count a total of about 7-800 hostiles... this is going to be a slugfest. We have 300-350 active pilots.
Apart from the regulars in ATLAS, we are seing new faces, Gentlemens Club, Cult of War, Solar Fleet and Red Alliance has turned up, in huge numbers. Hostiles are streaming into K25... We watch them set up, and get ready. A few key elements lets us decide what to do. They are splitting fleets, one to travel, one to jumpbridge.
This is where ATLAS et al lost the battle. Before even jumping one ship, they have already lost. The pre-planning and the strategy they have chosen will not work, regardless of numbers.
The gameplan for ATLAS is simple, jump in a boatload of people into K25 using regular gate, as a distraction to bridging people and capitals in. Solar/RA/LEM are chosen for this. On the incoming gate, all our supports are parked, and, a large t2 bubble. We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks.
It begins.
200+ pilots jumps into K25 using the regular gate, they are slaughtered by the support fleet as they load at the jump bridge that we valiantly defend. ATLAS are bridging a new boatload of fleet in, HACS and Capitals.
Fights all over the system, carriers are winning their fight at the Gate, supports are holding down the enemy capitals, and our capitals are ordered to warp to the hostile capitals.... Our battleships are sent to sniper spot above gate, to deal with any incoming remaining fleet.
"Capitals, your primary is....Raindeera" 5 minutes pass.
The node collapses and dies. K25 have 1000+ in system, and we have been fighting a good 15-30 minutes when the node crashes.... No capitals were killed before the node crash, but, Solar/RA lost the fleet that gated in, they lost the main bulk of the fleet that bridged in, and whatever is left... is 100+ capitals. The waiting game starts.. the node dies a couple of more times before it finally starts loading. It has taken the server about 2 hours to understand what it should do, and we send EVERYONE onto the gate, we will NOT stand down from this. Whoever runs first, dies horribly.
After the first breathtaking 15 minutes before we get people properly loaded... its anyones guess who is going to die badly today.
Its a turkeyshoot.
50+ capitals dies a agonizing death while they are trying to run away.
You lost this before it even started ATLAS. Come prepared next time.
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Orkasm
Minmatar Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Orkasm on 23/12/2009 17:46:27 First
Wi. Proudly Support this Service and/or Statement. -------------
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Gallente Citizen 345632
Gallente Robbing You of Your Space Pixels
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Posted - 2009.12.23 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Gallente Citizen 345632 on 23/12/2009 17:55:21 Another NC Alliance leader padding his ego. Phreeeeeeze is still #1 Tomcat, No matter how hard you try.
7+8 don't add to 50 btw.
Linkage
c u on teh battlefield
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Nocturnal Avenger
Minmatar x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tomcat The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1
I definitely like your sense of humour :)
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kyrieee
Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:02:00 -
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Mails for Phoenix (sairus HUN), Moros (Teck7) and Thanatos (dunno) are missing tho, so 18 not 15 :D
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Tia a'Kanat
Caldari Paramilitary Skanks
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:06:00 -
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Strategy? So if I read that correctly, you're saying it was your strategy to crash the node?
Whatever works for you, I guess...
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Gallente Citizen 345632
Gallente Robbing You of Your Space Pixels
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: kyrieee Mails for Phoenix (sairus HUN), Moros (Teck7) and Thanatos (dunno) are missing tho, so 18 not 15 :D
18 is still not 50.
Teck7 jumped through to Eurgrana with 0 structure and an insurance payout
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Sodee
Minmatar The Polaris Axis Dignitas.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:12:00 -
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Posting in another "lag is bad unless we're not the ones lagging out" wiDOT thread.
Also - well done on the RA/Solar working together with Atlas part. Made me giggle.
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tomcat We Pwn Joo Atlas
Sweet, so atlas is now blue to solar/RA/Lem?? Good to know!! and it was me, I lost the other 32 caps in K25. To make it an even 50 cap loss, sorry bobby, i wanted to win eve......
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gerku
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: gerku on 23/12/2009 18:31:40 if caod is the last place to attempt a win Something is wrong.
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Holy Lowlander
Amarr Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:35:00 -
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I see what you did there tom. _______________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Teck7
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Teck7 on 23/12/2009 18:45:13 There was out of 155 capitals in system, 9 atlas cap losses from looking at kill-boards and those that didn't generate mails. You guys also nailed some 9? solar/friends carriers before we arrived, so at most 19 out of 155 capitals - certainly notable but by no means nothing that will hurt the parties involved, unlike when WI lost 49 capitals to 1 kill.
The simple fact of the matter is WI has failed to do anything to counter ATLAS/friends campaign, your FC's are not in the best position and despite requiring AAR's on your forums, in the first week of ATLAS being heavily engaged with WI, you only posted a single AAR which was for the k25 fight. Even your own membership questioned why objective AAR's were not being posted anymore, the K25 aar is a complete wash with nothing but propaganda spin.
At the end of the day, this linky speaks volumes to the situation and WI lack of ability to do anything about it.
Also worth noting k25 local never topped 700 pilots, pro spin.
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Holy Lowlander
Amarr Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Teck7 Edited by: Teck7 on 23/12/2009 18:45:13 There was out of 155 capitals in system, 9 atlas cap losses from looking at kill-boards and those that didn't generate mails. You guys also nailed some 9? solar/friends carriers before we arrived, so at most 19 out of 155 capitals - certainly notable but by no means nothing that will hurt the parties involved, unlike when WI lost 49 capitals to 1 kill.
The simple fact of the matter is WI has failed to do anything to counter ATLAS/friends campaign, your FC's are not in the best position and despite requiring AAR's on your forums, in the first week of ATLAS being heavily engaged with WI, you only posted a single AAR which was for the k25 fight. Even your own membership questioned why objective AAR's were not being posted anymore, the K25 aar is a complete wash with nothing but propaganda spin.
At the end of the day, this linky speaks volumes to the situation and WI lack of ability to do anything about it.
Also worth noting k25 local never topped 700 pilots, pro spin.
there is no hope
at all. _______________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:46:00 -
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wow, didnt expect that cut-and-paste troll to actually work...
(ps, goons did it already once before) ----------
~bitter dog~
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Tomcat
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog wow, didnt expect that cut-and-paste troll to actually work...
(ps, goons did it already once before)
With bobby doing a wall of text counter post, I'm calling today a win. thank you caod.
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URSODMB
Caldari NoobFleet G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tomcat
Originally by: Butter Dog wow, didnt expect that cut-and-paste troll to actually work...
(ps, goons did it already once before)
With bobby doing a wall of text counter post, I'm calling today a win. thank you caod.
yeah was thinking same thing here
bobby got trolled
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Nikodiemus
Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nikodiemus on 23/12/2009 19:11:52
Originally by: Tomcat
Originally by: Butter Dog wow, didnt expect that cut-and-paste troll to actually work...
(ps, goons did it already once before)
With bobby doing a wall of text counter post, I'm calling today a win. thank you caod.
WTS Bobby Atlas Tear Thermos - great for those moments of public humiliation.
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Hype Maniac
Minmatar The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tomcat The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1
Keyword; Strategy. We play chess in game, we plan for our opponents move, we try to pre-plan on what to do when it happens, and with different scenarios. Theres nothing we haven't seen, we seen it all, in various places, all over New Eden.
Monday night was no different then other nights. We weren't actually expecting a fight.... as the night grew older, we saw that we might get one, the enemy is amassing in K25, local goes up to 350 in k25 before the showdown while we are preparing to kill and siege a hostile SBU. We get reports of 100+ hostile capitals, and people start waking up from their slumbers.... we count a total of about 7-800 hostiles... this is going to be a slugfest. We have 300-350 active pilots.
Apart from the regulars in ATLAS, we are seing new faces, Gentlemens Club, Cult of War, Solar Fleet and Red Alliance has turned up, in huge numbers. Hostiles are streaming into K25... We watch them set up, and get ready. A few key elements lets us decide what to do. They are splitting fleets, one to travel, one to jumpbridge.
This is where ATLAS et al lost the battle. Before even jumping one ship, they have already lost. The pre-planning and the strategy they have chosen will not work, regardless of numbers.
The gameplan for ATLAS is simple, jump in a boatload of people into K25 using regular gate, as a distraction to bridging people and capitals in. Solar/RA/LEM are chosen for this. On the incoming gate, all our supports are parked, and, a large t2 bubble. We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks.
It begins.
200+ pilots jumps into K25 using the regular gate, they are slaughtered by the support fleet as they load at the jump bridge that we valiantly defend. ATLAS are bridging a new boatload of fleet in, HACS and Capitals.
Fights all over the system, carriers are winning their fight at the Gate, supports are holding down the enemy capitals, and our capitals are ordered to warp to the hostile capitals.... Our battleships are sent to sniper spot above gate, to deal with any incoming remaining fleet.
"Capitals, your primary is....Raindeera" 5 minutes pass.
The node collapses and dies. K25 have 1000+ in system, and we have been fighting a good 15-30 minutes when the node crashes.... No capitals were killed before the node crash, but, Solar/RA lost the fleet that gated in, they lost the main bulk of the fleet that bridged in, and whatever is left... is 100+ capitals. The waiting game starts.. the node dies a couple of more times before it finally starts loading. It has taken the server about 2 hours to understand what it should do, and we send EVERYONE onto the gate, we will NOT stand down from this. Whoever runs first, dies horribly.
After the first breathtaking 15 minutes before we get people properly loaded... its anyones guess who is going to die badly today.
Its a turkeyshoot.
50+ capitals dies a agonizing death while they are trying to run away.
You lost this before it even started ATLAS. Come prepared next time.
Confirmed, By the one True leader of the NC, but they thats another Story!
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.12.23 19:28:00 -
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I have read this post somewhere before...
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Zimi Vlasic
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 23/12/2009 19:52:21 It really boggles my mind how awful WI is at everything.
This thread makes meng 003 and curses' mom cry tears of failure.
------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:05:00 -
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Hey Tomcat, i see you have learned alot in your ASCN days from John McCreedy
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Phreeze
Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hype Maniac
Confirmed, By the one True leader of the NC, but they thats another Story!
Whoah.
Whoah.
Whoah.
Blasphemy.
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Terror Rising
Minmatar Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:20:00 -
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Nice one Tomcat, you got at least a couple hook line and sinker there
Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:34:00 -
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Mimicry is the highest form of admiration |
Dah' Khanid
Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:44:00 -
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When losing in game: Let the forum wars commence. Here's hoping for more fights from RZR/WI and less attempts at forum trolling
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Papa Boats
Caldari KILL.EM.ALL CURSE.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:45:00 -
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You know this was a good post a long long time ago when Molle wrote pretty much this exact same post. I remember reading it I have just joined KIA before you put the lol in it. MC was leading the mercenary revolt.
I would say nice post but your just committing plagiarism.
Anyways it must be fun killing ships that can't load grid or whatever. Once CCP fixes 0.0 battles I may think about playing in the blob fest again.
PB
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Ripcha Headov
Caldari Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:57:00 -
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shameless NC propaganda.
The node didn't crash, well not whilst atlas and co were there anyway. There weren't 7-800 of us (maybe thats what your fc's told u). u didn't kill 50 capitals. the highest i saw local rise was about 650-700.
yes you killeda few capitals that failed to laod properly, got scanned out and killed. and yes u herorically ganked 2-3 few capitals that lagged out and didn't catch the homeward cyno before they got bubbled, whilst the rest of the cap fleet watched for 10-20minutes in limbo waiting for sytem to load...
You should save this quality of material for a Razor style propaganda poster published weekly or something I would look forward to reading it
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Piper Halliwell
Minmatar Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 21:00:00 -
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Posting in a "we actually finally won a fight guys" propaganda thread. So what is the score now ATLAS 50 - WI. 1. Way to go mate. 1 fight in 50 is sure to win the war. --------------------
You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
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Lord EmBra
Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lord EmBra on 23/12/2009 21:09:16 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=885925.
Funny how many people either didn't play back then or simply wasn't paying attention to 0.0 conflicts.
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Sandwich PvP
Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.23 21:43:00 -
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So, to condense this rather longwinded OP, and including various other recent posts, here is what I'm getting out of this....
After being repeatedly asswooped by Atlas, the lag finally fell in your favor and you got a few kills, which you then inflated to make it look like a worthy post? You then proceeded to chestbeat until you ran out of breath, while other posters seem to be pointing at a serious internal situation. And when you said history, I can only assume you meant your alliance, and not that this was in someway a historic fight? That sum it up?
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