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YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.25 05:36:00 - [1] Originally by: Kwint Sommer In my opinion they have. The present situation is that EBANK and I hold each other's debt. We both owe interest on that debt. What you're saying is that you don't want to subtract the isk in your Ebank account from your debt towards Ebank and continue paying interest on the difference. What ****es you off is the fact that Ebank is not paying interest to the rest of the account holders but you still have to pay interest to Ebank. Well why didn't you say so from the beginning? Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.26 14:55:00 - [2] Why is everyone pampering Kwint? Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.26 15:44:00 - [3] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/12/2009 15:51:09 Originally by: Kapila Parthalan I missed these while writing up my last post. I agree with Kwint that customers should be able to cash at at any point to get a portion of their isk, and I said the same thing in the last post. If EBANK supports this, then people WILL be able to get their deposits back ASAP. The only way for Ebank to salvage its reputation and remain functional would be to recover the deficit asap. All of it. Any other solution (involving additional interest payment and the likes) is not in Ebank's nor the community's best interest. Let's face it, if it weren't for Ebank the majority of your isk would have landed in hands of no life scammers. I find it hypocritical that the great majority of those yelling liquidation have enjoyed Ebank's services for a long time and constantly praised them but when Ebank is passing through a hard time they're the first to abandon ship. Yeah that means you too Kwint. Luckily for Ebank, what's worst has passed and it would be pure cowardice for Ray to give up now. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:13:00 - [4] Originally by: SencneS The difference is, Kwint can pay his complete debt, EBANK can't. There is no way EBANK would be able to pay it's debt in the entity, Kwint can. Personal responsibility for debt repayment is something everyone needs to hold close if they ever have hope for the Secondary Market in EVE. These are the principle that have bound me to EBANK. And these are the same principles that determined me to support Ebank's cause. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:36:00 - [5] Originally by: RAW23 No. I'm saying that once one party to a contract breaks that contract, the other party no longer has any responsibilities to them (at least, no contractual responsibilities). You seem to have a lot of time to devote to anarchistic ideals, RAW23, but shouldn't you be running an offering or something like that? You know, your last offering, the one that's definitely not a scam. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Kwint Sommer arguing absurdly contradicting positions Give it some time, Kwint. In 5-10 years you'll see things differently. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.27 21:53:00 - [7] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/12/2009 21:55:46 Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: SencneS Kwint - All I have to say to you is "I thought you where a more honorable person then this, and your actions disappoint me." Not that it means much to you I know but really what you're doing is no better then anyone else that has committed fraud. I'm sorry but have I somehow crossed over to the bizzaro world where the bank that explicitly and repeatedly defrauds its customers and defaults on its debts is the victim and the guy trying to force them to acknowledge their obligations by legal means is "immoral"???????? You have a personal debt towards Ebank (the result of subtracting the isk in your account from the amount loaned to you at a miserably low rate) that still stands irrespective of whether or not Ebank is able to pay its depositors. In case you no longer want to pay the interest I strongly suggest you get in touch with Ebank representatives and return the rest of the loan; the money can be put to better use and speed up the bank's recovery. Am I reaching you in that bizzaro world of yours? Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:06:00 - [8] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/12/2009 23:08:25 Originally by: Dretzle Omega That's exactly right, and is by coincidence, the scammer's motto. YGR gave an example of that in times back. Yes and at that time you were not even around. I'm sure it has something to do with Jung's collective unconscious theory. Nevertheless, I'm quite curious if the Ebank guys are that stupid to give in to the last desperate charge of the immortal scammer alts. hahah Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Dretzle Omega It has something to do with forums that record historical posts. Your "selective scam" is a good example of "I have your ISK, so you have no say in it. Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Originally by: Dretzle Omega Classic scammer/con man trick. Chat in private to hide from the public. I've seen several "scams" like this in just the last couple months. Really? Which scams were those? I know there are frequently loan requests where the investee asks potential investors to contact him in-game. However, I have not seen a case where the investor is asked to keep the investment secret. Riethe did one just recently. Then there was Davramm, but that can't officially be called a scam until he actually runs away with money, if he makes another attempt. Then this one. There was a lame one that was a one-line attempt that didn't go through. Yih's scam touched on it, but not really. Davraam, Yih and Riethe are one and the same no life piece of ****. There are more of them here. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex Originally by: YouGotRipped I couldn't stay idle and let this horde of alts argue against what is the very foundation of the secondary market while pretending to assume the moral high ground. It's just not how things are supposed to be. Thank you. You just saved the secondary market. Yes, I know. I did it for charity. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:48:00 - [11] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/12/2009 20:51:04 Originally by: Tiberizzle Hats off to Kwint Sommer. Yeah, I wonder if Kwint will ever realize he has been used. Anyway, after 8 pages looks like the coup attempt has failed and MD is once again on the joyous path of reconciliation. Coffee? Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.29 02:17:00 - [12] Originally by: YesI'mAnAlt In short, you are fully justified in recovering your principle balance from EBANK. You have very weak (in my opinion unconvincing) justification for keeping the additional 3Billion. And you certainly have no right to claim your keeping an additional 3Billion has anything to do with the good of the depositors. Or let me rephrase that -- on the EveO forums, people have the right to claim all sorts of ridiculous things, but that doesn't make them true. What makes you think he will listen to you? We've been telling him the same thing for days. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.29 02:25:00 - [13] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/12/2009 02:34:52 Originally by: Kwint Sommer I'm keeping the money because ... I did the same thing with my investors. Originally by: Kwint Sommer I am, however, willing to give that money to EBANK if they agree to acknowledge their debts. Though it looks like you believe you could pull it off without a reputation loss. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.29 03:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Kwint Sommer I handle all of Kwint Industries business publicly. It's generally better that way. Way better. Black Sun Empire
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.29 04:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 The sense of entitlement on MD makes me sick. You have their ISK, moron. Of course they're entitled to know whats being done with it. You really shouldn't be disrespectful towards other players. We're a small and tight community, we've known each others for years, even when we do insult each other we do so without taking offense. For someone new, not fully integrated in the community to use such a language is unacceptable. Black Sun Empire

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