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Marthen Brennus	Posted - 2009.12.25 18:50:00 - [1] I just bought a Tengu for myself for Christmas, and I'm lovin' it. Eventually I'd like to use this ship for Level 4 missions, but I don't have the skills or equipment just yet. I'd like some advice from the community on what to shoot for please. Here's how It's currently fitted: 5 x 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I (T1 - Terror) 1 x Large Shield Booster II 1 x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1 x Photon Scattering Field II 1 x Explosion Dampening Field II 1 x Invulnerability Field II 1 x 10MN Afterburner II 3 x Ballistic Control System II 1 x Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I 1 x Capacitor Flux Coil II 1 x Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I 2 x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Defensive - Amplification Node Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst She's cap stable at 41%, EFT puts sustained defence efficiency at 385 and DPS is 230.5 at the moment. Let the dissection commence! (Please and thank you)
Sandeep	Posted - 2009.12.25 19:02:00 - [2] Did you use [All level V] or your skills? Either way, it is too low for level 4 missions. You should aim for 1000 after adding your DPS out and your sustained defense. /thread
Marthen Brennus	Posted - 2009.12.25 19:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Sandeep Did you use [All level V] or your skills? Either way, it is too low for level 4 missions. You should aim for 1000 after adding your DPS out and your sustained defense. This is using my current skills, and thanks for the tip on batting 1000.
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.12.25 19:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Marthen Brennus Originally by: Sandeep Did you use [All level V] or your skills? Either way, it is too low for level 4 missions. You should aim for 1000 after adding your DPS out and your sustained defense. This is using my current skills, and thanks for the tip on batting 1000. wat. 1000dps tank is huge. You would need that in very hard plexes. Level 4 missions only need around 500dps tank against specific NPC damage types. Fit looks fine, except I would go with t2 launchers and t2 ammo. Also look at rigor rigs (help against frigs), maybe a faction booster to reduce cap usage and allow you to replace the cap rigs.
Firetale	Posted - 2009.12.25 19:35:00 - [5] Personaly I am a friend of getting into ships first and then skill them myself, but dude, this is too earlie.
Marthen Brennus	Posted - 2009.12.25 20:43:00 - [6] Originally by: TimMc wat. 1000dps tank is huge. You would need that in very hard plexes. Level 4 missions only need around 500dps tank against specific NPC damage types. Fit looks fine, except I would go with t2 launchers and t2 ammo. Also look at rigor rigs (help against frigs), maybe a faction booster to reduce cap usage and allow you to replace the cap rigs. I think Sandeep meant a combined Defence / DPS amount of 1000 in order to tackle Level 4's. I was going to eventually invest in a set of CN launchers, but now that I look at the T2 ammo, T2 launchers are well worth it. Thanks!
Arr0wyx	Posted - 2009.12.25 21:36:00 - [7] I'd use something like this instead. You want 6 launchers to maximize your dps output and a bit of minor deadspace pimpage is worth it. You can pimp it more if you like obviously but this should give you a good idea as to what you should use. [Tengu, level 4 hamtengu] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst All V stats: 765 dps, 1,715 volley 568 dps sustained tank 679 m/s speed 7m 34s cap with everything running but realistically time spent moving between groups overcomes the slight deficit. Can be improved with a few implants. (Squire CR8 and CC8, Zainou Deadeye ZMS1000, ZMM1000, Zainou Snapshot ZME2000) Stats with those implants change to 841 dps, 1,801 volley, 24m 42s cap, 675 sustained tank
Thirzarr	Posted - 2009.12.25 21:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Arr0wyx Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Mostly like the setup. But the Rigor rigs wont work with HAMS afaik? "Note: only works on guided missiles, that is light missiles, heavy missiles and cruise missiles." So, thats my worries: Switching ammo everytime to just kill a couple of frigs is required using HAMS. But the ~900 DPS you can put to a battleship IS tempting.
Arr0wyx	Posted - 2009.12.25 22:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Thirzarr Originally by: Arr0wyx Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Mostly like the setup. But the Rigor rigs wont work with HAMS afaik? "Note: only works on guided missiles, that is light missiles, heavy missiles and cruise missiles." So, thats my worries: Switching ammo everytime to just kill a couple of frigs is required using HAMS. But the ~900 DPS you can put to a battleship IS tempting. On second thought you're correct(still not fully awake yet heh ). In that case just swap it for a CCC and you'll be cap stable without the CC8 and CR8 implants.
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2009.12.26 00:27:00 - [10] errr how do you kill elite webbing frigs with HAM. I'm still woondering. Anyway, for the thread creator, 230 dps is too low. Start thinking L4 @ 400dps MINIMUM!!! for the thank, 300 is Ok, aim for 400 (and more if you don't loose dps)

Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.12.26 01:07:00 - [11] 350 dps tank is alot with the tengu in lvl 4`s because you figure that you will be hauling ass making your sig radius nothing. When mine read 250 dps tank I was tanking at least 500-700 dps missions basically never being hit by the BS`s at all. Just remember speed is the main tank of the Tengu. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Dacryphile	Posted - 2009.12.26 06:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Dacryphile on 26/12/2009 06:21:08 With all V (and a butt load of isk): dps: 988 tank 531 cap lasts 5:25 [[Tengu, 988dps] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Photon Scattering Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Implants: snapshot ZMU & ZME, Deadeye ZMA, ZMS, and ZMM Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Duries Kain	Posted - 2009.12.26 14:36:00 - [13] Don't use HAMs in missons, you won't be happy with it. -- Need a fast, reliable and scalable Teamspeak 2 Server? Click Me!
Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:44:00 - [14] My biggest piece of advise is don't fly a Tengu until you can do level 4's in a Drake or Raven. You need to understand the missions so that a mistake won't cost you a billion isk ship.
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Duries Kain Don't use HAMs in missons, you won't be happy with it. I'm gonna go with this. If you want to use a Tengu in missions, use heavies. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:20:00 - [16] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 26/12/2009 21:20:54 Originally by: Admiral Byng My biggest piece of advise is don't fly a Tengu until you can do level 4's in a Drake or Raven. You need to understand the missions so that a mistake won't cost you a billion isk ship. Youre right... But wwhen you know the mission would you still fly in a tengu? And i think i will use heavies AND HAM. Heavues when lopt of little crap must be killed and HAM when you must deal with lot of BS (like angel extra)
Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:37:00 - [17] 2 Reasons to mission in a Tengu: I hate managing drones I hate slow ships
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Admiral Byng 3 Reasons to mission in a Tengu: I hate managing drones I hate slow ships I hate making ISK as fast as my friends in CNRs and Golems FTFY -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Admiral Byng on 26/12/2009 23:51:17 Yup. I am willing to give up 15% dps to avoid dealing with drones and training cruises, torps and battleships. Now that I have a good cash source, I training for PVP ECM.
N Ano Caldari Zerg Corp	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:51:00 - [20] OP your fit is terrible.

Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2009.12.27 01:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Admiral Byng Yup. I am willing to give up 15% dps to avoid dealing with drones and training cruises, torps and battleships. Now that I have a good cash source, I training for PVP ECM. Aye, to each their own. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.12.27 04:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Admiral Byng Yup. I am willing to give up 15% dps to avoid dealing with drones and training cruises, torps and battleships. Now that I have a good cash source, I training for PVP ECM. Aye, to each their own. :) -Liang Indeed. The Tengu is fun as hell and I will never go back to a Raven! Small ships FTW. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Professor Villinghopper	Posted - 2009.12.27 04:11:00 - [23] 6 heavies, 3 or 4 ballistic controls, fuel cat subsystem and an afterburner, and a few shield mods. Really, Tengu tanks missions with very low tank setups because of the Fuel Catalyst and Afterburner. You just don't need alot of tank if you know how to manage your velocities with respect to the battleships. They just wont hit you.
Benito M	Posted - 2009.12.27 14:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Benito M on 27/12/2009 14:32:53 This is how you fit a tengu. Low grade crystals atm, with implants for missiles on 7-10, im making over 700DPS, experianced pilots could make 750 at a guess. You dont eve need the painter, even FURY ammo kills the toughest frigs when im to lazy to change. Perma runs everything and does 714 m/s. T2 mods work where im using faction/deadspace except the shield booster. [Tengu, Heavy Missiles] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Domination Target Painter Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
sh00t2thrill	Posted - 2009.12.28 05:09:00 - [25] <low> ballistic control system II x3 inertia stabilizers II x1 <mid> magnetic scattering amplifier II x2 explosion Dampening amplifier II x2 kinetic deflection amplifier II invulnerability field I <high> heavy missile launcher II x5 <rigs> mid hydraulic bay thrusters I mid rocket fuel cache parition I mid warhead rigor catalyst I <sub rigs> amplification node dissolution sequencer augmented capacitor reservoir accelerated ejection bay fuel catalyst tell me what you guys think EFT says with my skills 32494 effective HP cap stable at 85% 240 DPS 1494 a volley shiled resist are EM 71.3%, THERMAL 85, KINETIC 87.7%, EXPLOSIVE 81.9%
cianide pro	Posted - 2009.12.28 07:03:00 - [26] Originally by: sh00t2thrill <low> ballistic control system II x3 inertia stabilizers II x1 <mid> magnetic scattering amplifier II x2 explosion Dampening amplifier II x2 kinetic deflection amplifier II invulnerability field I <high> heavy missile launcher II x5 <rigs> mid hydraulic bay thrusters I mid rocket fuel cache parition I mid warhead rigor catalyst I <sub rigs> amplification node dissolution sequencer augmented capacitor reservoir accelerated ejection bay fuel catalyst tell me what you guys think EFT says with my skills 32494 effective HP cap stable at 85% 240 DPS 1494 a volley shiled resist are EM 71.3%, THERMAL 85, KINETIC 87.7%, EXPLOSIVE 81.9% Sorry but this is a crap setup tbh as the amplification node is a build in boost amplifier and you not even fitt a shield booster. Low: 4 cn ballistic controls med : pith med c-type shieldbooster republic fleet 10 ab cn photon scattering field t2 invul t2 shield boost amp 1 free slot for what ever you want. high: 6 cn or t2 heavy launchers rigs: 2 t2 cap control circuits 1 rig slot free amplification node dissolution sequencer augmented capacitor reservoir accelerated ejection bay fuel catalyst Is my current setup and it works just fine, good tank, got speed run all perma and nice damage.


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