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Frank N'Beans
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Posted - 2009.12.26 05:36:00 -
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I'm a packrat and collector in MMOs.
To that end I run a second account when I run missions just to loot/salvage the wrecks. However, it is time consuming and getting to be a PITA, quite honestly--especially in missions with waves of spawns and/or rooms.
Is there a vast difference of ISK made between spending the extra time looting/salvaging vs just running as many missions/hour as possible?
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.26 06:27:00 -
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With a second account that is already skilled to loot/salvage, its kind of a no brainer to loot salvage.
You just need to learn to multi task better. Ideally, you should mission almost as fast as without the salvage alt running. It takes lots of alt-tabbing, but its doable. Your mission runner will go a little slower than if you were just soloing, but not that much. You shouldn't lose more than a minute or two off your mission time.
My alt is in an orca with a salvage drake inside. I tractor and loot everything with the orca (gotta love the orca's tractor range), then pop the drake out and salvage 8 wrecks at a time, clearing even the largest pockets of wrecks in a minute or two. Throw the salvage in the orca and jump back in.
 Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Frank N'Beans
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Posted - 2009.12.26 06:42:00 -
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I could just be the missions I'm getting.
For missions like Gone Beserk it just seems pretty much the same as having 1 account because they come in waves so I can't really salvage while my main account kills.
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Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.26 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Frank N'Beans
I could just be the missions I'm getting.
For missions like Gone Beserk it just seems pretty much the same as having 1 account because they come in waves so I can't really salvage while my main account kills.
It's quite possible to do it, you're just saying "I can't do it". My alt flys a Hurricane to salvage while I pew in missions. Add him to your watch list and learn to watch it, put a bit of a buffer on your ship, try to get as much aggro as you can then warp in your alt.
Good luck!
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.12.26 11:40:00 -
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With the current drop in salvage price and increase in LP price it's better to blitz the missions with 2 combat characters than to loot and salvage with one of them.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.27 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Frank N'Beans
I could just be the missions I'm getting.
For missions like Gone Beserk it just seems pretty much the same as having 1 account because they come in waves so I can't really salvage while my main account kills.
Just wait till you are done with the mission. Warp your alt in then turn the mission in and start a new one. You don't need to have your alt and main in the same pocket.
Often I'm one mission ahead of my salvage alt.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Canute Minealot
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Posted - 2009.12.27 09:29:00 -
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I would say it depend on what your Main char can fly/use.
If you use a Dominix and just fight with drones, there is no big problem to loot/salvage with your alt in another Pocket.
But when you fly a Vaguar which kill alot faster and need more attention to fight, you prolly finish 3-4 missions before your Alt looted one.
Here i would say ignore looting and just go for bounty and Mission reward.
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Hera Ominae
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Posted - 2009.12.27 10:43:00 -
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Don't waste your time on looting or salvaging. Let's face it, most of the loot is worth under 50k ISK. Most of the salvage is worth under 10k ISK.
Speed running missions is the best way, do only missions with good bounties. Don't take missions where you have to travel lot between gates. Don't take missions wich are far away, like 3 jumps.
The amount of worthless salvage and loot are just illusion, by the time you are done salvaging with your lvl3 salvaging skill and tractor beaming all the wrecks, you would be finishing second mission at the same time.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2009.12.27 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
With the current drop in salvage price and increase in LP price it's better to blitz the missions with 2 combat characters than to loot and salvage with one of them.
I'd agree with Carniflex here. Loot all you can while shooting without prolonging the mission, and farm as many LP as possible (providing you've chosen your mission corp intelligently). Only against Mercenaries I'd do dedicated looting as they provide a shedload of loot (and some of the drone missions as well).
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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RAND0M MORPH
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Posted - 2009.12.27 14:37:00 -
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I use 2 accounts the same way to mission and salvage at the same time, and I can assure u, I have no time loss at all and any kind of problems.
Missions like blockade are easy as well, you can just be there shooting and salvaging at the same time, and warp away with ur salvager when the next wave comes up, then warp back in when u get the aggro on ur main.
OR u can do as someone above already said, just get a massive tanker ship to salvage, like a hurricane or u can also do it on a myrm, and u can also use drones to help ur main rushing the mission ;) Which will make the time a lot shorter.
So the idea of one character do it all, is basically non sense and quite stupid to even consider.
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Birdman Ravo
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Posted - 2009.12.27 16:23:00 -
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From what I've seen, it's just about the same income salvaging a mission as it is killing things in a mission. Some missions, like ones with drones, have to be salvaged to be profitable, but other missions aren't worth salvaging at all.
I don't salvage a mission unless it's given in the system I'm missioning from, and it's chock full of battleship wrecks within 20km of my bookmark. Not too difficult to do in a Caldari sit-still-and-fire-missiles boat.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.12.27 18:19:00 -
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Comes down to player choice. If you choose an agent with low lp-> isk returns then loot/salv and even lp may not be as valuable as bounties. If you have a better agent which has more valuable lp then loot/salv wont be as valuable as the lp.
I have what I consider 2 low skill chars still using T1 weaponry but now runing a T3 salv boat (40km tractor with drone support) plus an ishtar drone boat with T2 drones and no gunnery. Even with what is poor dps I'm pulling in around 45 mil/char/hour plus loot/salv while looting everything. I'm still getting a lot of garbage loot I'm finding is still worth over 1/2 mil each without getting to the tags and meta 4 stuff. Alt tabbing? I thought most people ran 2 screens now? 2 screens is much easier than alt tabbing. If you dont have 2 screens, resize the windows so you can still see 2 chars at once. I know one player who runs 4 chars on 2 screens this way on 1 computer mining, plus 2 more on 2nd computer (laptop so less processing power).
Not loot? Well I quite regularly get a drop of meta 4 or high priced tages which are worth 5-15 mil each. If you choose not to loot then your missing out on this bonus. Player choice. eg I notice I had 11 meta 4 heavy missile launchers in my stock waiting to sell and I've not purchased any. 40km tractor and 1000 mtr tractor speed - doesn't take much time to check every wreck.
Its funny, but often the missions that people farm are some of the least profitable missions - but they are experienced as farming less profitable missions making less isk takes experience.
Adding the T3 salv boat speeds up loot/salv a lot with 2x tractor speed out to 40km, plus the ship is quite agile in cruiser sized hull. For everyone out there without maruader skills, the T3 a much quicker training route. The T3 can still pick over loot a little quicker, eg leave those bulky cap 800's behind etc. 320 mtrs for what is only a few K isk for something much more valuable.
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RAND0M MORPH
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Posted - 2009.12.28 14:27:00 -
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Before anyone types anything else just read this:
Is it better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with no salvaging?
Or its better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with salvaging?
Missioning and salvaging with 2 accounts DONT MAKE U SPEND 1 SINGLE SECOND more of time with the mission.
So WHY people keep saying all kinds of **** that it depends on this or depends on that??? It DOESNT DEPEND. It IS 100% SURE 2 accounts missioning are the thing.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.28 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: RAND0M MORPH
Before anyone types anything else just read this:
Is it better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with no salvaging?
Or its better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with salvaging?
Missioning and salvaging with 2 accounts DONT MAKE U SPEND 1 SINGLE SECOND more of time with the mission.
So WHY people keep saying all kinds of **** that it depends on this or depends on that??? It DOESNT DEPEND. It IS 100% SURE 2 accounts missioning are the thing.
Your two options are dependant on the mission. If you are running some guristas recon 1, its best to just blitz it since the loot/salvage will be so poor. If you are running Gone Berserk where every ship drops loot and doesn't take long to loot/salvage it will be far more profitable.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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brixarion
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Posted - 2009.12.28 17:59:00 -
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I made 275M isk in bounty and mission rewards from level 4 missions in a given time, I also collected almost all the salvage and loot (85% of the time) went to amarr and sold all the loot and salvage and it came out to 235M isk
With two accounts I would definitely recommend salvaging and looting, (salvaging was much less profit then the modules dropped [about 50m in salvage and 180m in loot]
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.12.28 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: RAND0M MORPH
Before anyone types anything else just read this:
Is it better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with no salvaging?
Or its better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with salvaging?
Missioning and salvaging with 2 accounts DONT MAKE U SPEND 1 SINGLE SECOND more of time with the mission.
So WHY people keep saying all kinds of **** that it depends on this or depends on that??? It DOESNT DEPEND. It IS 100% SURE 2 accounts missioning are the thing.
This is just silly. ISK/h calculations are done on a per account basis, so it definitely still matters.
Originally by: brixarion
I made 275M isk in bounty and mission rewards from level 4 missions in a given time, I also collected almost all the salvage and loot (85% of the time) went to amarr and sold all the loot and salvage and it came out to 235M isk
With two accounts I would definitely recommend salvaging and looting, (salvaging was much less profit then the modules dropped [about 50m in salvage and 180m in loot]
LP conversion included? And what about the time it took to loot and salvage in comparison to completing the mission? Also the time it took to organize and sell all of it?
I'll tell you right now, I can clean out a mission sometimes in 1/3rd of the time it takes to loot and salvage it (depending on mission). If the loot and salvage aren't generally worth at least twice as much as the bounty/LP/mission reward (it rarely is) then collecting it is not an efficient use of time. The only reason I even bother anymore is because I enjoy reprocessing and selling the stuff and making trade runs.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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brixarion
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: brixarion on 28/12/2009 19:23:49
With a Golem I loot and salvage while doing missions on many missions I kill everything before I finish salvaging and looting, I would say on average I would stay in the mission about 30% longer, also doing salvaging and looting gives you more to do and that makes it more fun.
Oh and I was not counting LP
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Eva Eon
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Posted - 2009.12.28 22:17:00 -
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As one of the posters above, i use Vargur too. Lately as my skills and my fit were getting better and with the intoduction of autocannon buffs with Dominion i'm finding myself clearing biggest rooms of mobs in a matter of minutes. I stopped looting some time ago and try only take missions with bounties (if i'm locked out with a timer and have to take faction/drone mission then i loot it). As it is right now most of the combat missions for me take less time to complete than to salvage/loot. Not to mention that getting the loot in your hangar is only half the job you have to spend time to sell it all to actually see the isk from it (unless you blindly right click > sell in which case you're not getting much from it). However i still loot some of the missions (like gone berserk because of high volume large weapons dropped and a good chance of meta 4 weapons dropping, or like pirate invasion angel because of ridiculous amount of alloyed tritanium bars that can be obtained).
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Chasten Ruin
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Posted - 2009.12.28 23:24:00 -
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I guess this all depends on what it is exactly you are trying to do with your character in the near term. If you want to grind cash and LP to get a Faction Blueprint or Ship then it might not be worth salvaging everything and going on a straight blitz. Same thing if you are trying to grind Faction rep.
However if you are at the point where you arent grinding for rep, and primarily just for cash then you definitely want to salvage every mission. In fact, assuming you have access to level 4 agents in a specific location, you might want to even keep a mission alive and not completing it so that you can grind it again every single day. Even further, if it has a lot of mission only related mining available you should take that as well.
If you do it right you can keep 4-5 missions open to grind for bounties and loot, mine for its resources after the server resets every day and rinse and repeat. It will take a long time, but basically you can make an industry out of deadspace pockets without worrying about any can flippers or pirates spoiling your day. At the end of the mission timer, just complete the missions and turn it in. But every day, new roids appear and new bounties are there to grind. Its amazing how much cash and cool loot can drop by basically farming missions.
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Shebeth
Caldari
Les Brigades Rouges
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Posted - 2009.12.28 23:51:00 -
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From my experience, blitz is the best way.
1st account : CNR (a bit pimped) average income after my last 320 missions (i never loot/salvage) : 51.3m isk/hour (could be raised to at least 55m/h with 2 connection's skills lvl 5)
2nd account : rattlesnake, which make seperate lvl 4 (and requires far less micro-managing), i didnt calculated the average income with this account but its way under my 1st account.
If i had owned 2 screen i would have run 2 CNR.
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Byssi
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Posted - 2009.12.29 07:15:00 -
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Ofc its an ISKboost doing it on a second accout.
How can it not be?
You dont need to waste one second effective mission running time.
Like.
Acc 1 is the runner, you do everything you usualy do, but in those moments where no input is needed at all, like while orbiting and shooting at stuff or whatever, you can alt-tab or if you run 2 comps, change keyboard for a sec to the other acc. This changes NOTHIN for the mission runner acc, it just affects how fast you can clear a room of salvage, but that is not the point.
If you can run 4missions in 30min normally, you can run 4 missions in 30min now with the added bonus of maybe 1 mission salvaged in 30min! You dont have to clear every last mission of salvage for this to be "salvaging on another acc"..
And that is MORE ISKIES then not salvaging 1 mission.
Really.. Jumping to gate takes a few sec, docking takes a few sec, undocking, whatever there you have windows of salvaging to be done..
Not that I do it..
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.12.29 21:41:00 -
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In the short term, can't beat blitz.
Long term if everyone blitz's then the mission completion times will reduce so get less lp return which will make the salvage more profitable. If everyone is blitzing then less salvage will be in the market - supply/demand and the salvage prices will go up.
Look at the extreme - materials for war prep lvl 4s that allow 12 minutes to complete. Recon 1/3 lvl 4 is easier than recon 2/3 lvl 4 in blitz time yet last time I did was 5500 lp while the 2nd part was 1500 lp because some farm the 1st and most blitz the 2nd. I've had some lvl 4's I've blitzed in 7 minutes and had 7700 lp for my efforts - obviously some choose to farm it. While lp has value, blitzing will return much better than loot/salv or bounties. But if everyone blitzs then the lp returns will decrease drastically making the loot/salv/bounties more valuable. And when the lp decreases so people start doing the missions again vs blitzing, the lp value will rise again. If the salvage value rises, more will salvage again leading to more salv and lower prices.
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GrandPa Throttlebottom
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Posted - 2009.12.29 23:57:00 -
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IÆve done it each way; when dual-boxing I prefer to use two combatants with one optimized for killing the Battleships and the other optimized to kill off the Cruisers and Frigates while providing cap so I can whole room aggro the main. If I want the salvage/loot IÆll bookmark each room, turn in the mission and return with a fast MWD destroyer to salvage/loot and an industrial to haul it all off rather than compromise the mission speed by configuring a boat for salvage.
In both stages what slows you down is any slow-boating to gates or having to warp out, either with a melting tank during combat or a full load of loot during salvage. YouÆll mission faster with two, both by shooting down the NPCÆs faster and by being able to tank all the tough rooms. And after youÆre done, since you donÆt need the gates and can use an MWD after the mission is turned in, you can salvage and loot at a pace that is muchà much faster than doing the mission itself, provided only that you are in the same or adjacent system. DonÆt forget to put a tractor on the industrial to collect the cans the MWD destroyer dropsà And donÆt forget to train the leader with some fleet command skillsà
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.12.30 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: RAND0M MORPH
Before anyone types anything else just read this:
Is it better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with no salvaging?
Or its better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with salvaging?
Missioning and salvaging with 2 accounts DONT MAKE U SPEND 1 SINGLE SECOND more of time with the mission.
So WHY people keep saying all kinds of **** that it depends on this or depends on that??? It DOESNT DEPEND. It IS 100% SURE 2 accounts missioning are the thing.
Let me ask you this: Is it better to spend 30 minutes on a mission and return with salvage,
or is it better to spend 30 minutes on TWO missions and return with no salvage?
With just a bit of training, that salvaging/looting alt could be running another L4 mission at the same time.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2009.12.30 02:03:00 -
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Concept:
Run missions and salvage for a week. Track your daily income. Sell your loot and salvage.
Run missions with both characters for a week. Track your daily income.
Compare the two... pick the larger one.
Personally, I've found that salvaging and looting pays more however it's also now been a couple months since I seriously ran missions... (they nerfed the method I was using to maximize isk, so I've had to seek better methods to keep the ole isk earnings high), but I also suspect that slight differences in peoples play style affect which actually results in more isk for a given time. That being the case, only you can really determine which earns you more isk. When you ask this question, you'll just get different answers from different people. Your the one who needs to answer it for your particular play style/race/personal preferences/ability to concentrate on more than one char/etc.
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