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Reaver Babe
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Posted - 2009.12.27 15:13:00 -
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Alright, so I'm able to fly the Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar inties. I've always thought that the malediction was the coolest looking one of the bunch and only recently became able to fly it. Unfortunately I also discovered through the magic of EFT-warrioring that it fails horribly in the face of both the Ares and the Stiletto (on paper anyway). It has a gimped targeting range compared to the other interceptors that it NEEDS either a signal amp or a sensor booster to make up for, while the others can get by without them, and in fitting those you're giving up a valuable low slot for speed or a web/scram.
Is there something about the ship I'm not noticing? Is there some sort of fit for it that will make it a viable alternative to the Ares and Stiletto?
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fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.12.27 15:29:00 -
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Well, its weapon system somehow doesnt fit into the "stay out of range while tackling" role either.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2009.12.27 15:31:00 -
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Wouldn't having a squad leader with good information warfare (+%targeting range) help negate the need for an extra +targeting range mod? I haven't flown a malediction for a while, but I didn't find it too restrictive in targeting range if I remember correctly...
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Hardened Heart
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.12.27 15:54:00 -
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I have very bare missile skills, so when I fly the malediction, it's for pure tackle in support of a fleet. I fly either a web/scram setup or a quick lock sensor booster/sig amp depending on the fleet/target.
Maybe this is just because I'm used to the crusader's truly gimped targeting range, but I never have an issue with the Malediction's 35km range. I scram at 12km (14.4km overloaded) and disrupt at 28km (33.6km overheated). Why would you need a targeting range further out than you can tackle? The only times that my target is out of my disruptor's range is when I'm either bailing or burning towards a target; neither of which a longer locking range would help. I suppose that the longer range would save you about a half a second when trying to lock a target down, but I think that's a pretty small benefit.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2009.12.27 16:11:00 -
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You can just have a buddy use one of these on you if you really want more range and don't want to change your fit.
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.12.27 16:25:00 -
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Stiletto is better but the Ares is complete ****. You can actually get decent damage out of the Malediction with 3x 125mm AC's and a rocketlauncher (or a nos if you can fit it).
Web is overrated on these tackle ships, get both a point AND a scram.
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Hardened Heart
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.12.27 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Wrexx
Web is overrated on these tackle ships, get both a point AND a scram.
Like everything, it's situational. I find the web helps a lot as I'm involved in a lot of low sec combat where a web can mean the difference between a disengaging target getting away through a gate or ending up on my killboard.
A web will always help slow your target a little. A scram will only sometimes slow your target, but when it does, it does it alot.
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.27 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Diomidis on 27/12/2009 21:00:11
Originally by: fuxinos
Well, its weapon system somehow doesnt fit into the "stay out of range while tackling" role either.
Yeah, unlike the rail-ares and the artie Stiletto, right?
You use close range weapons (blasters, ACs, rockers or even pulses) to pick off those drones after you - it's an indie with primary role that of a long range tackler...it's not a faction frig (hint), nor a AS to have the ability for full dps at disruptor range.
You can get pretty good sig-amp fits that eliminate the targeting range gimp (even with a good fleet booster not around, cause usually the ceptors are ahead of the rest of the pack - doh), or you can fit a targeting range rig.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.27 21:09:00 -
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tbh, unlike the "killer" inties, the need of a web on the "tackling" inties is quite situational.
in nearly all situations I prefer to have a sensor booster instead of a web on the medslots.
the maled however, has a quite gimped targeting range, altho it somewhat compensates with it being sturdier.
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Marz Ghola
Minmatar
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2009.12.27 21:50:00 -
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As said right above, you are using a "bonused to long range" tackle inty in a dps/dualing role. (in before someone says they use these ships to kill all)
The malediction is just fine for fleet/gang tackle. That is its specialty.
Crusader is what you are looking for.
Ares is an awesome fleet tackler because it is the fastest bonused tackler.
Stiletto is great for its four mids which allows that critical sensor booster while still keeping a full range of tackle gear.
You only fit guns on these machines to kill off drones, or make last second stabs on an already dying opponent.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.27 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marz Ghola
You only fit guns on these machines to kill off drones, or make last second stabs on an already dying opponent.
Correct.
In addition to your analysis of the various tackle inties, the Raptor is underrated - it's actually a very good primary tackler when set up correctly and is infinitely more useful than the Crow.
3 x 75mm Gatling Rail II
1 x 1mn MWD II
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x MSE II <---yes really
2 x Nano II
1 x MAPC I
1 x ACR I
1 x Ionic Field Projector I
Try it, you might like it.
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Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.28 05:04:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the Malediction is the fastest "tackle" inty.
It -can- use standard missiles to hit from its maximum tackle range, and since you are tackling for a gang, you can assume gang bonuses which give you the same lock range as your disruptor is capable of.
Also, using scanres scripted booster, the malediction has the best scan resolution. *note* the stilletto could fit 2 Sb's for rediculous scan res.
And the Malediction has the most Effective HP thanks to the resist bonus.
Really, its only downside is the short targetting range of 28km vs the other tackle inties.
I feel it makes up for it with the aforementioned reasons, as well as being capable of fitting turrets or missiles which ultimately makes it the most versatile tackle inty.
Lastly... it is the sexiest ship in EvE... nothing else matters.
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Xol'tan
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.28 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
Originally by: Marz Ghola
You only fit guns on these machines to kill off drones, or make last second stabs on an already dying opponent.
Correct.
In addition to your analysis of the various tackle inties, the Raptor is underrated - it's actually a very good primary tackler when set up correctly and is infinitely more useful than the Crow.
3 x 75mm Gatling Rail II
1 x 1mn MWD II
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x MSE II <---yes really
2 x Nano II
1 x MAPC I
1 x ACR I
1 x Ionic Field Projector I
Try it, you might like it.
Ran with this setup for quite some time very good tackler and the MSE meens you can hold a piont while under from light drones alot longer than other tackler intys.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.28 08:27:00 -
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If you think malediction is bad then take look at the raptor.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.28 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 28/12/2009 08:31:37
Originally by: Stuart Price
Correct.
In addition to your analysis of the various tackle inties, the Raptor is underrated - it's actually a very good primary tackler when set up correctly and is infinitely more useful than the Crow.
3 x 75mm Gatling Rail II
1 x 1mn MWD II
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x MSE II <---yes really
2 x Nano II
1 x MAPC I
1 x ACR I
1 x Ionic Field Projector I
Try it, you might like it.
That sir is a fascinating setup. If you're into bling, you can trade the MAPC I for a B66 or B88 or Vigor or K-Exhaust (7-10M) and a CDFE. I'd probably go with the MAPC I and a 3% grid implant personally.
-Liang
Ed: Also, I have to say .... you know your frigs far better than I know mine.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.28 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 28/12/2009 08:50:06
The problem with the MSE raptor is that its lone disruptor wont slow down(what tacklers are for) the target only makes it unable to warp away, it should get an additional med slot especially as its pg is so poor fitting other than ****ty 75mm rails is impossible.
Then it would be a good tackler now it is just average at max ,thou still better than the crow :P
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.28 09:53:00 -
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Wow, Naomi. you've gone from "raptor is worse than 'bad'" to "raptor is average" after one fitting is posted? Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Liangs' book and admit that there are still things to be learnt.
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Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.12.28 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 28/12/2009 08:31:37
Originally by: Stuart Price
Correct.
In addition to your analysis of the various tackle inties, the Raptor is underrated - it's actually a very good primary tackler when set up correctly and is infinitely more useful than the Crow.
3 x 75mm Gatling Rail II
1 x 1mn MWD II
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x MSE II <---yes really
2 x Nano II
1 x MAPC I
1 x ACR I
1 x Ionic Field Projector I
Try it, you might like it.
That sir is a fascinating setup. If you're into bling, you can trade the MAPC I for a B66 or B88 or Vigor or K-Exhaust (7-10M) and a CDFE. I'd probably go with the MAPC I and a 3% grid implant personally.
-Liang
Ed: Also, I have to say .... you know your frigs far better than I know mine.
I've been using a mse stiletto for a long time, works better then the raptor I think
[Stiletto, 1]
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
Standard Missile Launcher I
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Shield Extender II
Micro B66 Core Augmentation
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
needs shield upgrades V or ditch the missile launcher
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.28 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Norwood Franskly
I've been using a mse stiletto for a long time, works better then the raptor I think
The MSE stiletto isn't terribly surprising (thanks for the fit though). The Raptor though... that was really news to me. I've often considered trying to make a poor man's blasteranis out of a Raptor, but couldn't figure out how to squeeze any sort of tank onto it. Not that the Blasteranis has one either, but... 
-Liang
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.28 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Wow, Naomi. you've gone from "raptor is worse than 'bad'" to "raptor is average" after one fitting is posted? Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Liangs' book and admit that there are still things to be learnt.
Raptor is still the worst tackler interceptor,stiletto is the best then ares then malediction, it is only average as a tackler
Learning from liang? Oh no I don't want to be eft/forum pro, tq is enough :P
anyway what is exactly anybody can learn from him? Because neighter here nor in other threads I found anything usefull.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.12.28 11:33:00 -
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My favourite malediction fit has a Signal Amp.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:19:00 -
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[Malediction, mse1]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
[empty high slot]
Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Its decent, but stilleto is still best tackle inty.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
[Malediction, mse1]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
[empty high slot]
Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Its decent, but stilleto is still best tackle inty.
use named MWD
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
use named MWD
Not worth it imo, but if you want to spend more money np /catalyzed is around 5m i think/.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Grimpak
use named MWD
Not worth it imo, but if you want to spend more money np /catalyzed is around 5m i think/.
oh it's worth it, believe me
specially in cpu-tight situations.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:36:00 -
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Fit i posted is capstable and has enough cpu. Only thing you get from named mwd is 20 more cap.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Fit i posted is capstable and has enough cpu. Only thing you get from named mwd is 20 more cap.
Named MWDs require 2 less CPU and grid. That's a big deal on a frig.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:44:00 -
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[Malediction, mse1]
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cpu 139/168
pg 42.95/43.75
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 28/12/2009 19:54:15
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
[Malediction, mse1]
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cpu 139/168
pg 42.95/43.75
If Liang and his buddies say so then you should fit it as they say ,because it is much better that way...
oh and it also helps with non existent fitting issues
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Norwood Franskly
I've been using a mse stiletto for a long time, works better then the raptor I think
[Stiletto, 1]
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
Standard Missile Launcher I
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Shield Extender II
Micro B66 Core Augmentation
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
needs shield upgrades V or ditch the missile launcher
You're right that the Stiletto is still better, but some poor unfortunate souls can only fly Caldari 'ceptors (thank god I trained all four races).
I would modify that fit slightly however, replacing the scram with a web, downgrading the launcher to a rocket launcher (primarily for fitting reasons, also because I'd really only use the weapons for swatting drones) and switching the OD's for Nano/Sig Amp (to make use of an overloaded point more effectively.
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