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Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 578	Posted - 2012.06.22 11:12:00 - [1] - Quote I am baffled by the fact CCP didn't see this coming and coded a safety break in the system. It was such an obvious exploit and was called out several times by players long before release :facepalm:. Congrats to goons for pulling this off on such a massive scale. I guess the level of damage done to the system and the estimated time for the economy to recover will guide CCP on how to proceed. I wouldn't be surprised if they called Force Majeure and reverted all/most LP earned to protect the integrity of the game. To bad FW looks more broken than ever.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 578	Posted - 2012.06.22 14:36:00 - [2] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. More people plexing for your side is not an advantage in the territory war? And piles of ISK and faction crusiers is not an advantage either ... it just means that you can field better and fewer ships to match any enemy force and that you don't have to travel back and forth re-shipping as much. No biggie right?
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 578	Posted - 2012.06.22 15:13:00 - [3] - Quote Ghost Xray wrote: If that were true, I'd expect they'd say, "Oh, and here, you should probably take back these LP's we gained because in the hands of a villain, they may then try to dominate the market with it and that'd given them an unfair advantage", instead of "hell yeah, WE B SPACE RICH!! TO THE FORUMS TO GLOAT!!!" Nothing wrong trying to make a living helping CCP with game design. The goons did this one good me think. But maybe they tried to get away with to much. And why wouldn't you brag if you made 5 trillion ISK?
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 586	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:05:00 - [4] - Quote Aryth wrote: Natasha Fatality wrote: This is really the most fascinating thread I can remember reading in a long time. I feel lucky to have just gotten into EVE right as this is all going down. It seems like a really pivotal moment for the game's community. I have to admit, I really want to become a Goon myself at this point. :) it really is turning into one of those moments that define EVE. Sure I am biased, but doesn't everyone like a happy ending? There are many different "happy endings" to this story. One of them involves giving the power to a single player to completely destroy the LP market for a foreseeable future as a reward for abusing the **** out of a design flaw. I kind of like that idea since I believe that most of your LP is from the Minmatar FW store - it brings a little divine justice to the game. But I am not sure that would mean a "happy ending" for EVE or most of its players.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 586	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:15:00 - [5] - Quote Benedic wrote: I find it quite disturbing that you can be punished by finding clever ways to profit from the rules of Eve. This was no exploit, it was using the code and systems the way they were designed. I am pretty sure they designed the mechanics with the intention to give a fair market value of items. The coding sucked though.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 586	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:17:00 - [6] - Quote Blawrf McTaggart wrote: Why is Sreegs involved? This is not a security issue, no accounts were hacked, nothing was botted, nothing was exploited using "hacking" methods. It was down and dirty market manipulation caused by the lack of foresight on the side of one of EVE's devs - not Sreegs. I don't see why CCP/Sreegs felt the need to prevent a crash of the factional warfare market, especially when a) the cabal specifically said that they weren't going to do that and b) SANDBOX Abusing the game on a scale that can break it is not a security issue?
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 586	Posted - 2012.06.23 14:41:00 - [7] - Quote Nephilim Xeno wrote: Also are there any plans to undo the damage done to the amarr milita by all this crap ? My guess is HTFU! But a temporary discount in the 24th LP store to balance things would be a nice gesture from the emperor to the loyal militia fighters during these hard times.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 588	Posted - 2012.06.24 12:00:00 - [8] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Insurance fraud: were more isk received than should have been? Given that CCP changed the way prices are calculated, Imn going to go with "yes". So they got what they should have plus more, so they got free ISK. PA: were more nocx received than should have been? Given that CCP changed PA to refine into trit instead of nocx, I'm going to go with "yes". PI: were more PI goods received than should have been? Given that CCP changed (or completely removed) the refinery options, I'm going to go with "yes". None of them were software bugs, all of them were mechanics which could've done with more thought behind them. The POS mechanic was a software bug. And all of them were exploits that were subsequently patched. Some of the exploiters received the banhammer and more. Some didn't. That does not make it less of an exploit. But exploiting on a scale that can break the game will surely leed to some actions. In this particular case I don't think a ban is appropriate for several reasons (but I don't have all the information so that may change) and if it was on a smaller scale it would just have been patched and forgotten about. But these guys were aiming for the headlines. Well they got them and maybe some more.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 589	Posted - 2012.06.24 12:16:00 - [9] - Quote Powers Sa wrote: A design flaw is not an exploit. Just because you keep repeating that does not make it true. But seriously, lets discuss this principle. Do you actually argue that if CCP would mess up in the same way but on a scale that would make LP worthless for a decade and ruin the whole economy ine the game we should just accept it and move on even if EVE would die (yes I said it) because it was a design flaw? By the way, this is how an exploit is defined by wikipedia. How do you define an exploit? Quote: An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw including glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1]
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 589	Posted - 2012.06.24 12:31:00 - [10] - Quote Powers Sa wrote: Anyone can edit wikipedia. Anyone can post on eve forums?

Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 589	Posted - 2012.06.24 13:59:00 - [11] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Except that was all done using information which was very public, which means everyone could've (and probably were on their way to doing as well) inferred the same and done it themselves. Exploiting known vulnerabilities is still exploiting.

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