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Phoenixx
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2012.06.21 21:07:00 -
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Funny stuff; you really exploited the sh!t out of CCP this time. It most certainty should be mitigated in some manner though; either through ISK penalties or removal of some items.
Claiming that you shouldn't be penalized for exploiting a design flaw is a bit like saying you shouldn't go to jail for robbing a bank that was really easy to rob (obviously it is not the exact same thing, so don't get all pissy about it; I'm just using it as an example).
Finding a way to easily to rob banks, such as walking through a backdoor no one else apparently can find, that allows me to just stroll in and grab heaps of cash, leave and then rinse and repeat all over town - is illegal.
Informing said town's police force that I am committing robbery at these banks, telling them how to fix it, and continuing to rob the banks - is still illegal. The police won't let me keep the cash because I'm claiming I'm a good guy for telling them of the poor bank security.
Here, Goons are funnily enough trying to do the same thing. They exploited the sh!t out of a game flaw design - that amounts to robbery - and now they want to claim they should keep the plunder because they told CCP about it?
Give me a break.
Tallian Saotome wrote:
And if they only target Goons, then they have to deal with the PR nightmare of looking like they have a vendetta against a group of players.
CCP doesn't have to, and won't, "target" Goons. They will target the individual players who directly exploited the design flaw. That said, you're essentially arguing that there will be a PR nightmare because people who essentially cheated are being penalized? That doesn't make sense. |
Phoenixx
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:09:00 -
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I just find it hilarious that Goonswarm is so mad about this.
1) You guys find an exploit, unintended manipulation, game design flaw (whatever you want to call it) and exploit the hell out if it.
2) You come on the forums and brag about how you outwitted CCP and make 300T ISK.
3) It is CLEAR that you all start to brag about the exploitation of a newly created faction war system to impress all the EVE online players and extend your E-PEEN.
4) It is CLEAR you know that it is a game design flaw you and continue to do it regardless.
5) CCP does the right thing and makes adjustments to avoid those profiting unfairly - in a GAME
6) You all start to cry, pretending you didn't think or know it was exploiting.
Classic.
Anyway, it's entertaining, and never affected me. But' it is very obvious that CCP needs to penalize those who exploited a game design flaw. You can't exploit the flaw and then brag about it - knowing very well that it would probably not fly - and then claim good faith after CCP fixes it. |
Phoenixx
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:14:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Phoenixx wrote:2) You come on the forums and brag about how you outwitted CCP and make 300T ISK. this figure changes with every post!
Whatever the number, it was a lot, that's the important part. The exact amount isn't really relevant. And yes, I'm aware that it ISK was spent for the items and that the items themselves are the valued things exploited.
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Phoenixx
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:17:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Phoenixx wrote:Anyway, it's entertaining, and never affected me. But' it is very obvious that CCP needs to penalize those who exploited a game design flaw. You can't exploit the flaw and then brag about it - knowing very well that it would probably not fly - and then claim good faith after CCP fixes it. counterpoint: insurance fraud
There's a difference between game design flaw manipulation to gain a fair profit of ISK and this manipulation to accumulate a far greater value. Someone earlier from Goonswarm said the value of the amount of items gained exceeded the value of the entirety of titans in the game.
That is a huge difference. |
Phoenixx
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:39:00 -
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Mechaet wrote:Phoenixx wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote:Phoenixx wrote:Anyway, it's entertaining, and never affected me. But' it is very obvious that CCP needs to penalize those who exploited a game design flaw. You can't exploit the flaw and then brag about it - knowing very well that it would probably not fly - and then claim good faith after CCP fixes it. counterpoint: insurance fraud There's a difference between game design flaw manipulation to gain a fair profit of ISK and this manipulation to accumulate a far greater value. Someone earlier from Goonswarm said the value of the amount of items gained exceeded the value of the entirety of titans in the game. That is a huge difference. Why does scale matter? If it's within game mechanics, it's within game mechanics. Scale has no relevance on "legality".
I never said the exploitation of the insurance was "legal." But you have to be realistic. CCP doesn't have to resources to go after every single person that might have exploited the insurance flaw. In that situation, scale does matter.
When Goonswarm came on the forums and bragged non-stop about something they clearly knew was exploitation of a bad design flaw and then admitted that it was worth as much as I mentioned above, CCP will and should penalize/fix.
This isn't the best comparison, but I'm lazy to think of another.:
Cops aren't going to spend the resources to go after a kid who stole some candy from a store. But they sure as hell are going to go after a group of people who have robbed multiple banks and then bragged about it. |
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