Keep in mind that CCP Sreegs is the one who disqualified Hydra and OB from ATX. He is also the one who routinely seizes ISK and assets, and applies the ban hammer, to RMT accounts. He would not be my first choice of CCP devs to accuse of making empty threats.

At the very beginning. Unless everyone else who slow-clapped in this thread is also involved.

Also the **** didn't "hit the fan" when the NPC alts started wagging their fingers at the "general membership."

IGÇÖd be interested to hear how you are twisting this into being an GÇ£abuseGÇ¥. As far as I can see the mechanics being used here are working exactly the way you guys designed them to work. The fact that you have now decided to change the way some of those mechanics work is irrelevant.

Also IGÇÖm a bit worried to see that although the investigation isnGÇÖt yet complete you already seem to have decided what the outcome will be. I would HOPE that a full investigation would highlight what have to be enormous flaws in your design and QA processes that allowed this system to be implemented, and I would HOPE that the resulting recommendations would strongly suggest that additional testing and QA processes were needed to emphasise the testing of GÇ£edgeGÇ¥ or GÇ£limitingGÇ¥ cases.

I EXPECT your investigation will gloss over the failures of CCP employees (as usual) and place the blame on the players who in this case are obviously smarter than all of you guys put together.

IsnGÇÖt it about time you guys at CCP realised that this isnGÇÖt a game? This is your lively GÇôhood and you should probably start to act with a bit more professionalism when it comes to the changes you make to it.

If CCP remove the profits of this venture from Goons, will they also retroactively remove the profits from the guy who posted about how he built tens of thousands of battleships, insured them and then destroyed them for a profit? (this was before the insurance nerf)

How about the people who made obscene profits (possibly totally even more than 5Tn) from the horribly botched P.I. introduction?

What about the BoB members who used to rake in billions a week using titans to bridge freighter-loads of NPC goods from Delve for unbelievable profits?

Ban all the things.

I *am* waiting to see what Screegs will say though. *That* will be a popcorn moment for sure, forget this here.

I'm imagining the most popular GoogleGäó search performed in Iceland today was "What is an outlier?"

Without the Goons, this would not have been discovered for a while. And clever players would have found out eventually, by accident or on purpose. Regardless, it would likely be abused over a longer period of time as the Goons are honest enough to publicize their findings in a relatively short time-frame (within a month upon release on the live servers).

Should the Goons be punished? Ban their accounts? Possibly. CCP has the right and ability to do whatever she deems fit.

By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.

If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

Well, seeing as you are likely to lose most of the isk you 'earnt' my advice to go Jita and mess up the Price of plex just for fun before they take it all the isk away from you and leave oyu with negative wallets

it's called 'restraint'

However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it

This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here.

Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?

So noted and I stand corrected.

Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?

Whats funny is that Goons try to verbally beat down everyone else, creating their own cute little term for them (pubbies), yet in actual fact they are pubbies who roleplay being moronic idiots. They post a thread about ruining everyones life and then all respond to each other congratualting themselves and calling each other sociopaths etc. (aka that lame Vile Rat ponce's response at the start).

Outside of EvE they are no doubt about as sociopathic as my pet hamster Terrence. Mittani being the biggest role-playing pubbie there is. He absolutely LIVES his little sociopathic image. Quite the "sad little nobody" ego.

If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

you're aware that this only involved 5 dudes, not the entire GSF, right?

also since when do you determine CCP's position?

By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch

If CCP remove the profits of this venture from Goons, will they also retroactively remove the profits from the guy who posted about how he built tens of thousands of battleships, insured them and then destroyed them for a profit? (this was before the insurance nerf)

yes

anymore questions?

We'd be much more convinced of your 'best intentions' if they figoured out the exploit and immediately informed CCP.

Instead, you (rather impressively may i add) exploited the game mechanics to basically create your own isk printing press.

Dont act like you are some white knights here to save EVE from all that is broken.