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LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.29 12:28:00 - [1] Ship is not moving the warp bubble is and all that crap...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:25:00 - [2] Edited by: LittleTerror on 30/12/2009 19:25:27 If everything in physics is correct, if you can control gravity and create your own area of gravitational effect like planets and other bodies do. Except using very little mass to do it, you could create your own area of time and space or bent space and then move that around on the fabric of the universe and experience no Gforce. You would not be accelerating the space around would be and that does not have mass? So we also get over the problem of mass ever increasing as it reaches light speed needing unlimited energy. Also to the op stating how does he not experience G's when his ship accelerates to 1500 m/s in 6 seconds, that is simple its called a micro WARPdrive.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:33:00 - [3] I'd also like to point out that the warp bubbles used to pull you out of warp are quite spot on, they warp the space around them causing your warp bubble to collapse and fail.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.30 23:01:00 - [4] Edited by: LittleTerror on 30/12/2009 23:01:45 If this is correct may i ask you a question? would you like some toast :) No I don't really like toast it is harmful. Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: Hythloday Edited by: Hythloday on 30/12/2009 18:53:19 Eve-O forums: Where people can have a discussion about physics, while completely disregarding the fact that spaceships in Eve traverse through a luminous space aether rather than a vacuum. Eve's luminous space aether causes resistance, and so velocity and time become absolute rather than relative, contrary to Newton and Einstein's laws and theories about our universe. So unlike in our universe, constant thrust is required to maintain velocity. I would say that seeing as how Eve is set in a universe that isn't bound by Newtonian physics (and relativity), theres no point in thinking about how many newtons of force you would experience as your ship accelerates. Then how do planets orbit a star? They'd need constant thrust to do so. The idea fails right there... Central force or whatever it is called, the sun is massive the earth is small, take a commit for instance entering the solar system. It can be dragged into an orbit with our sun due the suns much bigger displacement of space like a big marble sitting on a blanket. Take a marble and place it in a wide bowl which is shallow and make the marble spin around the bowl. It will spin around until it ends up in the centre due to friction and earth's own gravity, same thing in space except there is no gravity or friction or only a very small amount. So planets continue to spin around the suns displacement, I guess due to a small amount of friction all planets will eventually fall into the sun. When something burns up into our atmosphere it has fallen ^^
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.30 23:06:00 - [5] Space and time are bent so light travels along its surface so that's how everything looks a straight line and not curved and stretched like it actually is.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 00:30:00 - [6] Fairly rapidly yes but in our perception of time? In the 70 - 80 years we live no.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 16:34:00 - [7] Edited by: LittleTerror on 31/12/2009 16:34:16 What no reply? oh bummer... our time here is so small compared with the infinite universe, now try to get your head around it... Our solar system will one day comes together and form one huge star which will transform many billions of years after into either a blackhole or it will simply shrink into a dwarf or maybe explode into a huge super nova. Given the pathetic size of our sun compared with the huge giants of the universe I think it will either just expend its energy and shrink into a dwarf star (a cold mass orbiting the centre of our galaxy) or it will collapse in on it self creating a blackhole. What ever happens to it don't worry we will be long gone either transcending the stars and forgetting about mother earth entirely to even care what happened to her. Or we workout why we are here and then move up into an entirely new universe. Point is these things take billions and billions of years to follow through, the moon will smash into the earth in millions of years time but it is in a close orbit already. Now about the bodies creating a indent in space, galaxy's also do this as a whole spinning mass of solar systems and there are many of them... So now think how one galaxy collides with another, the smaller galaxy providing it is not going on a direct collision coarse will enter the large galaxy's field of influence and begin a long spin around the large galaxy. until they smash into each other and move together as one in more or less the same direction as the large galaxy was moving in. This whole process takes billions of years, rapid if you can think about it as a whole process but not if you think on a human civilisation scale. You can get a better idea by looking at washing up liquid bubbles on the surface of water, they don't spin around each other before colliding because they are fixed due to the earth's gravity. In space on the surface of water they would spin if they could. This of coarse is just based off of a theroy I once read about :D and the one I tend to believe the most.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 17:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 31/12/2009 17:41:22 Originally by: LittleTerror now try to get your head around it... Our solar system will one day comes together and form one huge star which will transform many billions of years after into either a blackhole or it will simply shrink into a dwarf or maybe explode into a huge super nova. I am willing to accept the fact that you don't have a physics degree, or even a grasp of basic high-school physics, but surely you're capable of using Google! Our sun is about half way through its life. It will enter its "dying" transition in about five billion years. It will not become a supernova, it lack sufficient mass. It will become, for a while, a Red Giant. Earth will probably be swallowed as the sun expands, but it won't matter to us because the Earth will have already been uninhabitable for about four billion years. The sun will then begin unstable fluctuations, throwing off nebulae for a while before cooling down to a White Dwarf. Originally by: LittleTerror Point is these things take billions and billions of years to follow through, the moon will smash into the earth in millions of years time but it is in a close orbit already. No. In fact the moon is getting farther and farther away, albeit very slowly. Originally by: LittleTerror You can get a better idea by looking at washing up liquid bubbles on the surface of water, they don't spin around each other before colliding because they are fixed due to the earth's gravity. In space on the surface of water they would spin if they could. No. Just, no. Originally by: LittleTerror This of coarse is just based off of a theroy I once read about :D and the one I tend to believe the most. I think that, coarse or fine, you should read a few more theroys. Your post is so full of fail.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 18:04:00 - [9] Or maybe not if we think of planetary bodies as being concious and wanting there own space? The moon will inevitable smash into the earth man/lady, like everything in orbit eventually does, only due to its mass which is canny big does it maintain its orbit in such a steady and stable way. I don't get my answers from google because its full of people like you with a degree in physics... Oh wait sorry I think you don't have one lol and even if you did it is clear I don't listen to people that do have one... I don't trust them, this is not taught in school because everything we believe in might melt...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 18:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: LittleTerror Fairly rapidly yes but in our perception of time? In the 70 - 80 years we live no. What? No. Physics don't change from the start. The universe itself would never have expanded the way it did given this luminous essence or whatever, and if it had, the planets would have long since been annihilated by the stars. Galaxies would have crumbled into each other. Everything would be a total mess. It's completely implausible in every way. Hummm hehe... Umm, yes you're right but what if life began shortly after the formation of the universe and is only now just beginning to get technical enough to ask the questions we do here today? Don't forget we are only 1 million if that years old as a species, in the last 100 years how far have we come in advancement in technology while almost completely ignoring the question why the ** is it we are here with all this **?
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 18:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: LittleTerror The moon will inevitable smash into the earth man/lady, like everything in orbit eventually does, only due to its mass which is canny big does it maintain its orbit in such a steady and stable way. Again, no. Everything in orbit does no eventually collide with its primary. That's simply wrong. You are ignoring (or, more likely, ignorant of) tidal acceleration. Since you are just too cool to Google I'll provide you with a link to the ubiquitous Wikipedia. Originally by: LittleTerror I don't trust them, this is not taught in school because everything we believe in might melt... Well then hands off the computer and get back to your snake oil and crystal pyramids. Well i will look at it yes, but i don't see it working since the moon would have been long gone and so would this planet...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: LittleTerror Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: LittleTerror Fairly rapidly yes but in our perception of time? In the 70 - 80 years we live no. What? No. Physics don't change from the start. The universe itself would never have expanded the way it did given this luminous essence or whatever, and if it had, the planets would have long since been annihilated by the stars. Galaxies would have crumbled into each other. Everything would be a total mess. It's completely implausible in every way. Hummm hehe... Umm, yes you're right but what if life began shortly after the formation of the universe and is only now just beginning to get technical enough to ask the questions we do here today? Don't forget we are only 1 million if that years old as a species, in the last 100 years how far have we come in advancement in technology while almost completely ignoring the question why the ** is it we are here with all this **? If it requires constant energy to maintain movement even in space, then even for a planet moving at several thousand kilometers an hour, it would not take very long for it to slow to a complete halt, however the main issue is, it won't just "suddenly" stop, the speed would gradually reduce, and as a product of this, the planets orbit would move closer and closer to the sun. This would increase planetary temperature very fast, start to burn off the atmosphere we absolutely must have to survive, and make adapting to weather that changes radically every couple of months nigh impossible. I'm sorry, but it's absolutely impossible to maintain a universe given the set of circumstances. In fact, pretty much any law of physics as we understand them now can't be tweaked at all, everything from having weak gravity to the speed of light, if any of it was changed even slightly things would be completely whack. I love science fiction, but to a degree. I don't think messing with fundamental laws of physics for the ENTIRE set of universe it takes place in makes any sense. Not impossible... If you read what I said many of the earth based limits do not apply in space ei. friction and an ever downward force called gavity... Remember a planet creates its own gravity or indent into space due to its mass. So it would then take a massive amount of time for a planet to slow down enough to fall into star. You people are just not getting what I'm saying damn me for thinking out side of mainstream science...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:54:00 - [13] Edited by: LittleTerror on 31/12/2009 21:54:30 Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: LittleTerror Well i will look at it yes That's excellent! Originally by: LittleTerror i don't see it working since the moon would have been long gone and so would this planet... Well, it does "work". The "problem" is that it's happening very slowly, right now the Moon is receding at about 3.8 centimetres every year. The other "problem" is that this rate is not constant, a billion years ago the rate of recession was less than half what it is now. Then if this is true someone or something pushed it perhaps millions of years ago as in a meteor or commit smashing into it giving it enough movement to begin an outward spin away from the earth...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 22:16:00 - [14] Edited by: LittleTerror on 31/12/2009 22:18:11 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: LittleTerror If you read what I said many of the earth based limits do not apply in space ei. friction and an ever downward force called gavity... Remember a planet creates its own gravity or indent into space due to its mass. So it would then take a massive amount of time for a planet to slow down enough to fall into star. You people are just not getting what I'm saying damn me for thinking out side of mainstream science... If there was no gravity, nothing would orbit anything. The planets would fly out into space away from their stars. When they did slow down due to the "ether," they would be all over the place. Being in orbit is the same as falling. Satellites in orbit around the Earth are perpetually falling towards Earth (and perpetually missing.) Gravity and orbits go hand in hand. This isn't about thinking in/out-side of mainstream science. It's about suspension of disbelief and how much pseudo-make-believe science it requires for the Eve universe to make "sense" without being blatantly Stupid. Getting rid of gravity and orbital mechanics is just too much. Still not getting me... /edit we will never get a warp drive so long as you farts continue to quote wiki or some **e... Originally by:** Trader20 None of you are smart. You just google/wiki words and think your e-professors so please stop embarrassing yourselves. I didn't use any such nonsense thank you very much.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 22:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: LittleTerror /edit we will never get a warp drive so long as you farts continue to quote wiki or some **e... Wiki is a convenient, largely non-technical source. If you'd rather we directed you to other sources for the same information that's no problem. On the other hand, what if we directed you to the wiki entries for the current research into "warp drives"? Is that still creating an obstacle, somehow? Look before they went to the moon if they ever did which to be quite honest would take an amazing ammount of work. We did not have a wiki and hundreds of years ago people like you said the moon is made of cheese why? Because it was written as such, now you can quote what ever science you want if it makes you feel more intelligent than me then gg I simple do not give a **. The fact is it is all theroy, yes there is science with physical back up but when it comes to space no one knows. You just can't possible know until we get out there and actually distort gravity waves for our self. The stars twinkle due to the atmosphere or is it due to the way the earth bounces around on the universal plane? See no body knows...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 22:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: LittleTerror The fact is it is all theroy, yes there is science with physical back up but when it comes to space no one knows. Now, you do know what a theory is, right? àand you do know that we've been "out there"? Oh dear here we go... Yeah but we still use a rocket to get off the ground hardly earth shattering technology is it? Originally by: Catherine Frasier Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 31/12/2009 22:44:11 Originally by: LittleTerror Look before they went to the moon if they ever did which to be quite honest would take an amazing ammount of work. Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower in my estimation... Originally by: LittleTerror We did not have a wiki and hundreds of years ago people like you said the moon is made of cheese why? Because it was written as such Again you have completely misunderstood. The reason we know the moon is receding is because we have measured it. If we went by what is written we would still think that the moon was embedded in a crystal sphere around the earth or that it was some kind of god or spirit. Originally by: LittleTerror The fact is it is all theroy, yes there is science with physical back up but when it comes to space no one knows. You just can't possible know until we get out there and actually distort gravity waves for our self. That's a very ignorance dense sentence. First enormous mistake is in your understanding (and spelling) of the word theory. A theory isn't a guess, it isn't a hunch, a theory is a strenuously tested and rigorously checked explanation. What's more, we can, have and continue to "distort gravity" and measure the results. That is, as a matter of fact, how we know what we know. Originally by: LittleTerror The stars twinkle due to the atmosphere or is it due to the way the earth bounces around on the universal plane? See no body knows... YOU don't know. That doesn't mean nobody knows. The stars "twinkle" due to the atmosphere. They do no "twinkle" when viewed from outside the atmosphere. We know this because we have gone and looked and taken pictures and video to show to everyone else. We know even if you don't. The earth might be showing as moving away but it could have been hit but a large rock madam.. I can't be be arsed to multi quote you right now I'm too drunk...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 23:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Drakarin This thread boils down to a few key notes: Gravity must exist. Space itself has to be a vacuum or constant thrust is necessary but not provided, so everything would fall apart. Gravity is the effect of space being curved. If acceleration does this, it constitutes as gravity. Inertial dampeners ARE necessary for sub-light speed. Ok yeah as sad as we are, yes gravity does exist but I see it as more of a well hole in space which other objects are falling into. It has been almost proven magnetism is very closely linked to gravity and in fact has more control or simply put you can use a magnet to pick something metal up defeating gravity it self. Think of the earth both top and bottom or north and south poles the effect space the same both ways but. Big but, the waves of gravity flow almost like a magnetic field, they loop over and under in a way we can't see with our eyes, so it looks like a hole inverted outwards so everything goes the center of that hole.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.31 23:21:00 - [18] This is the only way a warp drive could ever work, outside of this we would become goo in and instant as the ship enters warp. So in the world of everything is possible we must break rules a little cough a lot to make this possible. That is how eve warp drives work.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:29:00 - [19] Edited by: LittleTerror on 01/01/2010 00:29:21 Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: LittleTerror The earth might be showing as moving away but it could have been hit but a large rock madam.. That is, in fact, the most likely origin of the moon. How is that an argument? Oh how pathetic really, you're just digging a bigger hole for yourself for me to laugh at... So you're saying the moon came to earth and is now just gonna split off into space again? Sorry can't compute your logic some how because it is utter fail if you want to use real world physics then at least ****ing stick to it...
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 31/12/2009 23:17:13 Originally by: Drakarin This thread boils down to a few key notes: Gravity must exist. Space itself has to be a vacuum or constant thrust is necessary but not provided, so everything would fall apart. Gravity is the effect of space being curved. If acceleration does this, it constitutes as gravity. Inertial dampeners ARE necessary for sub-light speed. Ok yeah as sad as we are, yes gravity does exist but I see it as more of a well hole in space which other objects are falling into. It has been almost proven magnetism is very closely linked to gravity and in fact has more control or simply put you can use a magnet to pick something metal up defeating gravity it self. Think of the earth both top and bottom or north and south poles the effect space the same both ways but. Big but, the waves of gravity flow almost like a magnetic field, they loop over and under in a way we can't see with our eyes, so it looks like a hole inverted outwards so everything goes to the center of that hole. What's your point exactly? Yes, Magnetism is far stronger than gravity and can easily counteract it. This was never a subject of debate. This was a option of debate if you don't want that then don't post about it? My point is you do not tell me how the laws of physics effect internet spaceships.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:58:00 - [21] I think internet space ships was enough give away ^^
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.01 01:05:00 - [22] hahahaha you can just play people with all god knows of ****e and they get defensive it is funny... While I have to wait 5 minutes. Eve players are so playable it becomes a game it is simple ridiculous...

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