Originally by: Ji Sama

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RED FLAG: This is an ALT account.
RED FLAG: No disclosure of main character/account.
RED FLAG: Account owner is a character trader.
RED FLAG: account owner is showing the behavioural patterns of a step stone scammer.
RED FLAG: 1000 transactions in 11 months.
RED FLAG: Apparently the account owner took a 300M ISK loan just recently.
RED FLAG: Account owner already took in investments to the tune of 240M ISK
RED FLAG: If the account owner is really worth 30B ISK, I canÆt find any traces of them.
RED FLAG: Total Contract Revenue over 11 months = 7.2B
RED FLAG: These numbers indicate that the account owner is running at red numbers
RED FLAG: Apparently sells at a loss for no known reason (could be trying to cover tracks)


YELLOW FLAG: Corporation was founded less than one hour after the creation of Satane.
YELLOW FLAG: Possible RMT/Macro connections.
YELLOW FLAG: Dubious posting history, with conflicting information being shared.
YELLOW FLAG: Spacemagic appear to belong to the same account owner.
YELLOW FLAG: Lots of Timecode trading between the above listed characters.


GREEN FLAG: Account owner submitted to an audit.

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Originally by: Katellin

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Originally by: cosmoray

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Your investors have never ever really been on MD before, but just pop up and invest.
Get them to post here with their reasons, because this smells like a SCAM.

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If you really want to know my reasons here they are. I have 2 alts, one is Inquisitor Xan and the other, my main, I won't post however. As I mentioned in another thread with Inquisitor Xan it is thanks to sextrader/satane that I have made most of my isk in-game. As such my investment is as much of a thankyou as anything else.

However, I have also gone through all the threads made by satane (including those done by sextrader, runtrade, awesome trader and taylor04) along with looking at finished contracts ingame for all those characters and the pictures and videos made available by satane. Also, as I've said before, I see his activity daily in the contracts market when im using it as well.

Ultimately I believe his story. Thats not to say it definately isn't a scam however, for all I know it could be but I don't think it is. As I said, the 100mil is more of a token thankyou than anything else and I won't really miss it if this is a scam.

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Originally by: Cista2

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Edited by: Cista2 on 30/12/2009 07:35:19

I agree completely with Phoebe and Nouva.

Ji, your audit was fine, but you shold leave it now. The auditor should be neutral, it is unfortunate that you "go out of your way" to defame an offer that could be legit. Just imagine the opposite situation: that you make 15 enthusiastic posts to encourage people to invest in an offering that then defaults. That would be your last audit.

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Originally by: Katiana Swan

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As I said earlier, I have confirmed hundreds if not thousands of contracts directly with an alt in his corporation. I couldn't find any that looked dodgy and they ranged from caldari navy cruise missile launchers to caldari navy ravens and bhalgorns. I wouldn't hesitate to value even 2 pages of those contracts at probably 5 billion isk and there were probably a good 40 pages of contract data.

If Satane wants to pay me in shares and people actually want this data I would be happy to calculate a month (chosen by the people) of total WTB contracts filled. This won't show profit but it will show satanes capital movement.

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Originally by: Dretzle Omega

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Take Katiana's word or not, but I'll venture out on a limb to say she's not a satane alt.

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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton

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and btw, according to eve-search she has way more than 13 posts, don't know where you got that number from.

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Originally by: satane

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Edited by: satane on 12/01/2010 21:46:41
EDIT: Multiple spelling error

I understand that this is a different and unusual way of getting public isk but thats just the way i set it up and maybe it could show signs of a scammer,

Im agreeing to another audit for the last 3 weeks of trading ive done,

although audits dont show contracts, they can see my wallet and from that they can use the tax off contracts as an indication of my trading plus im willing to show and discus my private trades and im even prepared to show a more depth video of my finished contracts over the last 3 weeks,

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Originally by: satane

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I do agree the audit didn't go well but saying i flunked it this wouldn't be true

The Last audit was seeing that i made the 35 bill early last year but if could never be proven because wallet entries only go so far.. ive also received my petition back from ccp confirming this, so the only prove i had is the video i made and other people word

However this audit will be done for the isk ive made over this 3 weeks,

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Originally by: satane

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The last audit revealed that you tried to get a new auditor to flub an audit. You had hidden characters and none of the track record you claimed.


i told my you my main to begin with, the track record could not be seen because of missing wallet entries ....

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Originally by: Cista2

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As far as I remember you are on the 001 list, you can offer to audit her yourself, that is if you are interested in facts at all.

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Originally by: Keiko ****uka

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Edited by: Keiko ****uka on 13/01/2010 02:25:04

Originally by: Kalrand

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Originally by: Cista2

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As far as I remember you are on the 001 list, you can offer to audit her yourself, that is if you are interested in facts at all.

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I did, but Ji was more on the ball than I was.

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So Ji is doing the new one Satane asked for then?

I found it amusing to look through Satane's contract history and find him/her trading with Satene. Well, once at least. :P

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Originally by: Cista2

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I would never have invested if not for Ji's audit, it told me what I needed.

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Originally by: Keiko ****uka

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Originally by: Kalrand

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No, the first time.

I'm busy till the end of the week.

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Aha, that's too bad.

Can we count on you taking a look at it if no auditor has been found by that time?

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Originally by: Katiana Swan

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Originally by: Kalrand

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Hey. Do people still want me to try to audit these claims? I'll have time this week.

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If you do, just make sure you get a throw away alt to join the corp as using regular api methods doesn't show anywhere near all the data.

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