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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:08:00 -
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How amazing, if you're Joe Citizen, you get your butt cavity searched if you sneeze while waiting in queue for a flight.
But if you're a "sponsored" terrorist, you can get on a plane with no passport.
Watch this clip from CNN (that's right, no some randomg "internets" site)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAtK7FFDukQ
Don't bother watching after 3:40mins.
So what do you think of that?
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.30 07:21:00 -
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Interesting, but we only have half the story.
My understanding and personal experience is that there are two areas of the airport - the public area that you walk into and the sterile area once you clear security.
You cannot enter the sterile area without valid ID and a boarding pass and you only get the boarding pass from the check in desk located in the public area.
Under international agreements, if a passenger is allowed to travel without a valid visa and/or travel document then the carrier is responsible for returning the passenger to the country of origin if they are denied entry at the destination. Accordingly, I can't see how he would have got a boarding pass to enter the sterile area (and by extension the boarding gate) UNLESS he had a passport.
It's an interesting allegation from the passenger for sure, but there really isn't enough information here to call shennanigans.
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SeismicForce
Terra Incognita Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.30 07:31:00 -
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Not that serious, the world just needed to be reminded about the war on terror and the urgent need to remove more personal freedom from us.
Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.30 08:27:00 -
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This story, like so many others, has a lot of inconsistencies.
We will just have to assume the worst, and that this is carefully timed.
It is rather odd that this happens right when the war drum starts being pounded by the US to bomb yet another country.
Wonder when the next false flag is?
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:23:00 -
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Airport installed 10+ full bodyscans but is "testing" them because they're not allowed to be used by law. Some shmoe "terrorist" tries to blow up a plane but just gets some burns on his legs... Public outcry and the officals go "would we have been able to use those bodyscans we'd have caught him".
Yes I see how that can't be a coinsidense.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.12.30 12:22:00 -
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I look forward to my anal probe before boarding.
Delenda est achura. |
Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.30 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer This story, like so many others, has a lot of inconsistencies.
We will just have to assume the worst, and that this is carefully timed.
It is rather odd that this happens right when the war drum starts being pounded by the US to bomb yet another country.
Wonder when the next false flag is?
Murphy's Extended law: If a series of events can go wrong, they will do so in the worst possible sequence. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:10:00 -
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I'm of the personal opinion that no amount of security will stop all terrorist attacks, where there is a will there is a way. All we can do is stop the idiots with basic security.
However, big governments seem to still be of the opinion that they can stop crime before it happens. As if.
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Azirapheal
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:34:00 -
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having folks that work in aviation there are a large number of inconsistencies.
you may not have liquids or lighters, but you can buy them at the duty free... all it takes is a raghead's mates to supply the shop wrongly (and security checks here are not stringent)
scariest of all was the asylum seeker working at luton airport in the UK. attending radical islamic protest rallies and screaming death to the uk... while loading your luggage directly onto the plane.
even pilots have things confiscated. yet all aircraft have a geet huge fk off axe in the ****pit.
i ended up staring down the barrel of an m16 when i pointed out to a marine? that i wasnt a terrorist, but the family of mohammeds that went through without hinderance before me fitted the profile pretty well.
ive also been known to go through newcastle airport with a teatowel on my head.. but then i know the staff there.
and im definately not afraid to demand a plane switch when i see people i profile personally as potential terrorists, this i have done twice. once it cost the airline a ****load of money because i had other passengers refusing to fly with an imam and consort onboard (new plane thank you) and the second time the airline spared themselves the cost and removed them from the plane instead.
they say profiling is a sin. but i would pretty much refuse to fly on the same plane as anyone from a muslim nation these days, and yes i know that this isnt foolproof at all. but it does increase my chances of a stress free flight.
incidentally. none of what i have said is motivated by religion. i myself believe god has no place in this world anymore. i mean seriously. your choices ae multiple armed (hindu) a fat bloke (buddhism) a hippy with an alcohol problem and an infidellious mother, or if american, a zombie corpse that walks on water coming back to save you(christianity) or a paedophile warlord. (islam)
none of the above. unless i can get my old norse gods back thankyou :)
Originally by: Azirapheal i never ever thought id live to see the day.... that titans were nerfed for being FOTM HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist SoonÖ
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Effy Muller
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Effy Muller on 30/12/2009 13:47:58 A couple of nations and several religions offended; borderline racial stereotyping ...
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer This story, like so many others, has a lot of inconsistencies.
We will just have to assume the worst, and that this is carefully timed.
It is rather odd that this happens right when the war drum starts being pounded by the US to bomb yet another country.
Wonder when the next false flag is?
Murphy's Extended law: If a series of events can go wrong, they will do so in the worst possible sequence.
hahaha so true
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 15:05:00 -
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Ya, people with no passports get on planes all the time, that's normal right?
But the story gets more interesting, it seems that a third man was discovered with explosives (implied) and then all the passengers were asked to move to a new building.
Lawyer Haskell, from the first video explained what happened after touchdown and more detail on before boarding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvQU1AnxOiw
Thankyou for your comments.
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Rolk Anderson
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Posted - 2009.12.30 15:49:00 -
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In after extreme racism. I can't think of any event in which you would have a just reason to stay in a toilet for 20m without something seriously wrong. Either way someone should have checked up on what he was doing.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.30 15:58:00 -
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Time to revive train travel on this continent. :| - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer It is rather odd that this happens right when the war drum starts being pounded by the US to bomb yet another country.
We already bombed them (cruise missile strikes on Yemen on Dec. 17). As it happens the underpants bomber bought his ticket prior to this.
I think the following needs to be kept in mind for these discussions:
Quote: I want our government to prevent terrorism and to make flights safer. But we are spending billions of dollars and man-hours to fight a threat that is less likely to kill a traveler than being struck by lightning. In the last decade, according to statistician Nate Silver, there has been "one terrorist incident per 11,569,297,667 miles flown [the] equivalent to 1,459,664 trips around the diameter of the Earth, 24,218 round trips to the Moon, or two round trips to Neptune." (Sadly, this does mean that in the future we can expect one out of every two round-trip flights to Neptune to be hijacked.)
SOURCE: http://gizmodo.com/5435675/president-obama-its-time-to-fire-the-tsa
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.30 17:13:00 -
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This will not end well.
As long as the UK doesn't get dragged into some stupid war over this, I don't care much, though. -----
Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Elora Danzik
Caldari Idiots In Spaceships Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 17:29:00 -
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course this guy sounds about as adept as the shoe bomber.
Can't wait till the next "terrorist" attack that really isn't.
Then we'll see if obama is really any better then bush.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc I'm of the personal opinion that no amount of security will stop all terrorist attacks, where there is a will there is a way. All we can do is stop the idiots with basic security.
However, big governments seem to still be of the opinion that they can stop crime before it happens. As if.
No-one thinks that, no-one in their right mind, they say these things to bag the fear and moron votes, two big votes not to be ignored if you're a politician.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:29:00 -
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the ironic thing about it was that he was refused access to the UK mainland cos he was on the watch list....yet managed to get a visa to fly to america... even though the yanks were warned about him ...hence he flew from the netherlands and not the uk which according to reports was his original plan
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer This story, like so many others, has a lot of inconsistencies.
We will just have to assume the worst, and that this is carefully timed.
It is rather odd that this happens right when the war drum starts being pounded by the US to bomb yet another country.
Wonder when the next false flag is?
Murphy's Extended law: If a series of events can go wrong, they will do so in the worst possible sequence.
hahaha so true
salud2
O'Toole's Commentary on Murphy's Law: Murphy was an optimist. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill the ironic thing about it was that he was refused access to the UK mainland cos he was on the watch list....yet managed to get a visa to fly to america... even though the yanks were warned about him ...hence he flew from the netherlands and not the uk which according to reports was his original plan
So the plan was to drive a wedge between the allies, to highlight their dissimilarities by having the US play the blame game with the UK. Having the more rational politicians of the UK distance themselves from the rabid hawks of US politics.
They didn't need to succeed in the attack to achieve this, 'reasonable doubt' are the keywords.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.30 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: NyteTyger on 30/12/2009 19:55:25
Originally by: Azirapheal ...or if american, a zombie corpse that walks on water coming back to save you(christianity)
Confirming US is the birthplace and only bastion of Christianity
Can someone notify the Pope that the Vatican needs to be moved, I'm too busy laughing my ass off. __________________________________________
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.30 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rolk Anderson In after extreme racism. I can't think of any event in which you would have a just reason to stay in a toilet for 20m without something seriously wrong. Either way someone should have checked up on what he was doing.
6 pints of Guinness and a lamb vindaloo?
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill the ironic thing about it was that he was refused access to the UK mainland cos he was on the watch list....yet managed to get a visa to fly to america... even though the yanks were warned about him ...hence he flew from the netherlands and not the uk which according to reports was his original plan
Thanks for the comment, but so many of you are missing the point of this post. This is not about, Yemen, what we do with terrorist, rights at the airport or what your opinion is about travelling in todays world.
The point is.... HE DIDN'T HAVE A PASSPORT AND GOT ON A PLANE ANYWAY!
There is NO WAY this could happen without some kind of "assistance", that's what you guys need to be pondering.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2009.12.31 03:46:00 -
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Last time I went to the states, which was early 2002, I was searched by a 19 year old with an M16 in the `sterile' area before boarding my plane! (at Charlotte). Ok, this was at the height of the 9/11 paranoia (justified in my opinion).
I don't believe he got onto the plane without a passport, because there's no way he can get into the sterile area without his boarding card and he can't get a boarding card without showing a passport (unless he had a fake boarding card of course). I don't know if they scan boarding cards these days, rather than just glance at them, so I suppose it's possible.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.31 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
I don't believe he got onto the plane without a passport, because there's no way he can get into the sterile area without his boarding card and he can't get a boarding card without showing a passport (unless he had a fake boarding card of course). I don't know if they scan boarding cards these days, rather than just glance at them, so I suppose it's possible.
Yeah, I already made that point.
There is surely more to this story.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.31 17:42:00 -
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As expected, more call for more security.
The underwear bomber is being described as drugged out.
Still no word on the "sharp dressed man" who got him on the plane.
Same MO as 911: people who were on the radars of various intelligence assets.
Meanwhile, the aircraft become flying Ultramax prisons, with talk of doing this to shopping malls, trains, schools. Border security checkpoints 100 miles inside the border...
All of this to condition everybody.
There is some justice in it. If you want to pretend you were not fooled into demanding your own enslavement for the last 10 years, perhaps that anal probe is deserved. Ego is a powerful tool. And the system your ego feeds is going bankrupt. From that, your world will feel so much more .... uncomfortable. Like the truth.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.31 17:57:00 -
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I for one am terribly disappointed at these lacklusture and pathetic attempts that ALQ has made against the west over the past 2-3 years. These people seem to have no professional pride anymore and seem intent on embarrassing themselves and their organisation by hurting themselves and nobody else in the process. I don't want to see people die and I don't want to see successful terrorist attacks but if you're going to carry something out at least do a proper job and not some half cocked hair brained scheme. Underpants bomb. For Christ's sake.
It either shows that the security services are doing a very good job stopping the worst of it before it kicks off or that there really isn't much of a threat at all.
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Thuranni
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.31 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Azirapheal having folks that work in aviation there are a large number of inconsistencies.
you may not have liquids or lighters, but you can buy them at the duty free... all it takes is a mates to supply the shop wrongly (and security checks here are not stringent)
scariest of all was the asylum seeker working at luton airport in the UK. attending radical islamic protest rallies and screaming death to the uk... while loading your luggage directly onto the plane.
even pilots have things confiscated. yet all aircraft have a geet huge axe in the ****pit.
i ended up staring down the barrel of an m16 when i pointed out to a marine? that i wasnt a terrorist, but the family of mohammeds that went through without hinderance before me fitted the profile pretty well.
ive also been known to go through newcastle airport with a teatowel on my head.. but then i know the staff there.
and im definately not afraid to demand a plane switch when i see people i profile personally as potential terrorists, this i have done twice. once it cost the airline a ****load of money because i had other passengers refusing to fly with an imam and consort onboard (new plane thank you) and the second time the airline spared themselves the cost and removed them from the plane instead.
they say profiling is a sin. but i would pretty much refuse to fly on the same plane as anyone from a muslim nation these days, and yes i know that this isnt foolproof at all. but it does increase my chances of a stress free flight.
none of the above. unless i can get my old norse gods back thankyou :)
Inappropriate language and disucssion of religion removed. Zymurgist
I simply refuse to believe this post is real. I absolutely can not understand that in the 21st century, there are people out there who are this close minded, xenophobic, and racist.
Quote:
they say profiling is a sin. but i would pretty much refuse to fly on the same plane as anyone from a muslim nation these days
GIT DEM BROWN PEOPLES OFF MAH PLANE DEY IS TERRISTS
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Planks
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2009.12.31 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni
Originally by: Azirapheal having folks that work in aviation there are a large number of inconsistencies.
you may not have liquids or lighters, but you can buy them at the duty free... all it takes is a mates to supply the shop wrongly (and security checks here are not stringent)
scariest of all was the asylum seeker working at luton airport in the UK. attending radical islamic protest rallies and screaming death to the uk... while loading your luggage directly onto the plane.
even pilots have things confiscated. yet all aircraft have a geet huge axe in the ****pit.
i ended up staring down the barrel of an m16 when i pointed out to a marine? that i wasnt a terrorist, but the family of mohammeds that went through without hinderance before me fitted the profile pretty well.
ive also been known to go through newcastle airport with a teatowel on my head.. but then i know the staff there.
and im definately not afraid to demand a plane switch when i see people i profile personally as potential terrorists, this i have done twice. once it cost the airline a ****load of money because i had other passengers refusing to fly with an imam and consort onboard (new plane thank you) and the second time the airline spared themselves the cost and removed them from the plane instead.
they say profiling is a sin. but i would pretty much refuse to fly on the same plane as anyone from a muslim nation these days, and yes i know that this isnt foolproof at all. but it does increase my chances of a stress free flight.
none of the above. unless i can get my old norse gods back thankyou :)
Inappropriate language and disucssion of religion removed. Zymurgist
I simply refuse to believe this post is real. I absolutely can not understand that in the 21st century, there are people out there who are this close minded, xenophobic, and racist.
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they say profiling is a sin. but i would pretty much refuse to fly on the same plane as anyone from a muslim nation these days
GIT DEM BROWN PEOPLES OFF MAH PLANE DEY IS TERRISTS
Theeese ma friend is whas called an troll. ACK leas I serious hope so otherwise tha uk is ****'ed (an i am foreing man move in to uk to find work as taxi driver. is good profeeshon. we help econamy not put lazy ignorant sheets on dole cue. theese they do them selfs)
.... Now i am look back at post an don know if eet is beeest troll or serious xenofoe god help us aaall expcet god dosno exeest so dosno matter lets all bash each other about head with club |
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