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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Twotone
Originally by: Suitonia I don't have anything against Sylph sugar. I just made a comment about alot of ex-pirates and ex-ransom dishonours have ended up in alliances that apparently are Anti-Pirates and take their word seriously etc. in a joking fasion, since its fairly amusing. Your the one who bitter flamed me for making a joke about that, because your mad or something about me being better than your alliance or whatever.
I've never ransomed anyone. I've never flipped a can, or really engaged in any act of piracy, as you accuse me of.
The only person around here who is mad is you. Anyone who knows you or has heard you yammer in local knows that.
I was just curious what your problem was. You can't turn this around on me fatcamp.
And like you, I too can afk cloak in system, eat a sandwich, occasionally rant in local, and declare I have won eve.
Suitonia suffers from victim syndrome. It does not matter if it is Providence or the fire hydrant down the street, they will always clamor about the great injustices down upon them by powers beyond their control. If you notice, Suitonia is literally incapable of escaping their own paradigm and is two dimensional in nature, meaning there is little occidental or even prurient evidence that their behavior would ever change regardless of the circumstances surrounding them. Meaning they rarely think for themselves, but merely maintain the same rhetoric again and again in new and often tiresome manner.
Just watch them continue for days on this same topic, just spew random conversation pieces of little to no consequence, for instance here are some ideas:
1) Mention a random system in Providence 2) Talk about the weather 3) Describe how asteroid belts are especially beautiful right after downtime 4) Pet your dog 5) Type random adjectives and nouns and include a single verb somewhere in the mix 6) Tell Suitonia they are terrible 7) Tell Suitonia they are wonderful 8) Pick your nose and describe the texture of your dried mucus 9) Mention that you are going to give 100mil ISK to a random neutral in Providence if they win a duel 10) Create a random alt and post here calling Suitonia a godsend and the most wonderful human being to ever live 11) Alternately create an alt and make said statements about yourself 12) Don't forget to nuke some popcorn
Hands down guarantee says Suitonia continues to say and repeat exactly the same things over and over no matter what you or anyone else in the entire game says.
{...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness} |
Killer Gandry
Caldari Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:43:00 -
[92]
Don't pay a thing. I rather loose an officer fitted ship and destroy all modules by overheating than paying 1 ISK.
No need to feed the wolves, they will get fed anyways.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dire Radiant
Originally by: Skoot LOL @ Anyone in eve that says Hono(u)r
Toon is worse.
Indeed it is.
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Zo5o
Broski Enterprises No Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2010.01.09 07:32:00 -
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Quote: zo5o-got this one second hand, not sure
Confirming that I have no idea who Lord Carvin is, and that I'm highly amused by whatever circumstances somehow got me on that list.
I'm famous and I didn't even have to do anything.
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Terra Mikael
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Simple solution:
Pay no ransoms until pirates start seriously cracking down on the clowns that dishonor them (ie, ruining pirates' business).
Ransom breakers should be ousted, not lauded as some do even in this thread.
Yes, because people who don't believe in honor will really care that other people think bad about them in an online spaceship game, especially when a majority of the players will never read the forums to "oust" the guys that are ruining the pirates "business."
Seriously, you really thought hard about this, didn't you? ___________ Proof that Daniel Jackson is a ret@rded furry |
Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca Its bad apples like him that makes other pirates have to find alternative ways of getting isk. I hope he will get his ass handed to him
QFT. Left the "sure that he will" out cuz I'm not so sure. Certainly, pirates who honour ransoms are those who will pay most dearly for this kind of actions.
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Lavraen
Minmatar Animus Furandi
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:36:00 -
[97]
This e-honour debate never gets old *Eats popcorn*
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:48:00 -
[98]
Don't pay ransoms. |
Anastasia Ivanov
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:04:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Greygal I've only been playing Eve for about 7 months, and sure, I've made a lot of newbie mistakes.... ~ ~ ~ Okay, I'm done whining/venting :) Greygal
Stacy's Rule #1. Never leave station with something that you cannot afford to lose.. including your ship, fittings, cargo, and implants.
Stacy's Rule #2. After remembering Rule 1, Never pay a ransom, as there is a good chance that you will willingly loose that money in addition to your ship loss. All you are doing by paying ransom is giving your aggressor a bonus quest reward.
Stacy's Rule #3. After remembering Rule 1, Never offer tears to your aggressor.. they need them to survive. If you deny them this essence in all chat panels, only the truly obsessed ones will waste much more time on you. Turn your anger into a sadistic form of silent gratification that you just wasted their time and money... whether they would admit it or not.
Stacy's Rule #4. After remembering Rule 1, Set your personal/corp standings to clearly indicate when known grief corp members are around. Use this to your advantage when the opportunity presents itself (and it will). "Oh no.. someone who pirated me at some point is over there in a heated (LOW/NULsec!) battle.. looks like a well matched fight. I guess I can fix that." Occasions like this are real gems, as generally those who prey on weaker players don't often open themselves up to challenging fights.
Stacy's Rule #5. After remembering Rule 1, You must have absolutely no problem destroying your own wrecks in missions should a salvage thief show up. Be silently merciless in your denial of tears and salvage targets. Again, only the truly obsessive will stick around wasting time for no reward.
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Bonafyde
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:35:00 -
[100]
Oh yea in on this lame thread about an OP that has too much time on his hands. He should be finding some kleenex to soak of the tears.
Honestly man grow a pair and deal with it, posting on C&P will bring the flames to your lameness.
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Bonafyde
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:42:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Anastasia Ivanov Edited by: Anastasia Ivanov on 28/01/2010 16:08:42 Edited by: Anastasia Ivanov on 28/01/2010 16:07:50 Edited by: Anastasia Ivanov on 28/01/2010 16:07:16
Originally by: Greygal I've only been playing Eve for about 7 months, and sure, I've made a lot of newbie mistakes.... ~ ~ ~ Okay, I'm done whining/venting :) Greygal
Stacy's Rule #1. Never leave station with something that you cannot afford to lose.. including your ship, fittings, cargo, and implants.
Stacy's Rule #2. After remembering Rule 1, Never pay a ransom, as there is a good chance that you will willingly loose that money in addition to your ship loss. All you are doing by paying ransom is giving your aggressor a bonus quest reward.
Stacy's Rule #3. After remembering Rule 1, Never offer tears to your aggressor.. they need them to survive. If you deny them this essence in all chat panels, only the truly obsessed ones will waste much more time on you. Turn your anger into a sadistic form of silent gratification that you just wasted their time and money... whether they would admit it or not.
Stacy's Rule #4. After remembering Rule 1, Set your personal/corp standings to clearly indicate when known grief corp members are around. Use this to your advantage when the opportunity presents itself (and it will). "Oh no.. someone who pirated me at some point is over there in a heated (LOW/NULsec!) battle.. looks like a well matched fight. I guess I can fix that." Occasions like this are real gems, as generally those who prey on weaker players don't often open themselves up to challenging fights.
Stacy's Rule #5. After remembering Rule 1, You must have absolutely no problem destroying your own wrecks in missions should a salvage thief show up. Be silently merciless in your denial of tears and salvage targets. Again, only the truly obsessive will stick around wasting time for little to no reward.
Addendum- It is not unheard of that those falling under the "truly obsessive" classification may actually have a logically justifiable reason for their actions.. not all victims are innocent. If you did something to screw them over in the past, they may be persistent.
Addendum 2- If you are being ninja salvaged by a group, you might just be screwed.
^^ This is priceless
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca Its bad apples like him that makes other pirates have to find alternative ways of getting isk.
In my past ten ransom attempts, only one person has paid. So, I stopped bothering altogether. My ransom demands are regularly on the low end, too.
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OwMy Bawls
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Posted - 2010.01.28 17:10:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Malephar Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. A pirate with honor is always a better person than the pirate without honor. |
Miraqelle
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Posted - 2010.01.28 17:30:00 -
[104]
i'm a little confused. when did holding a person hostage for ransom become an honorable thing? |
sukmanobov
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: sukmanobov on 28/01/2010 17:53:35
Originally by: Greygal but I never thought paying ransom was a mistake before.
HA HA HA HA. I rather die trying than pay. --------------------------------
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PowerComm3000
Inroads
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:00:00 -
[106]
Oo how did i miss this thread. I approve of the op's tear inducing tactics. Must keep thread alive since the posting of tears keeps me going.
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Daniel Cordova
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: PowerComm3000 Oo how did i miss this thread. I approve of the op's tear inducing tactics. Must keep thread alive since the posting of tears keeps me going.
This thread needs to stay alive if for no other purpose than to discourage players from paying ransoms.
Carebears cry now. Gankers cry later when they're having to carebear it up to make isk to PVP. And believe me, gankers will cry. They always do. I'd dare say they cry more than carebears even.
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PowerComm3000
Inroads
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:56:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Daniel Cordova
Originally by: PowerComm3000 Oo how did i miss this thread. I approve of the op's tear inducing tactics. Must keep thread alive since the posting of tears keeps me going.
This thread needs to stay alive if for no other purpose than to discourage players from paying ransoms.
Carebears cry now. Gankers cry later when they're having to carebear it up to make isk to PVP. And believe me, gankers will cry. They always do. I'd dare say they cry more than carebears even.
You can keep 100 posts active and even sticky them, they still will pay and end up here posting omgpiwateshavenohonor tears. Goon posts are a perfect example of this.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.28 21:36:00 -
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Dishonoring ransom is bad for business mkay?
Don't do it.
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Kybernis
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.01.29 02:19:00 -
[110]
How did pirates get the opportunity to ransom you in 0.5 space?
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.01.29 02:54:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Greygal So very very true :) They are both being bastards
No, if they were being Bastards, they would honor the ransoms. _________
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Daniel Cordova
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Posted - 2010.01.29 03:01:00 -
[112]
Originally by: PowerComm3000
Originally by: Daniel Cordova
Originally by: PowerComm3000 Oo how did i miss this thread. I approve of the op's tear inducing tactics. Must keep thread alive since the posting of tears keeps me going.
This thread needs to stay alive if for no other purpose than to discourage players from paying ransoms.
Carebears cry now. Gankers cry later when they're having to carebear it up to make isk to PVP. And believe me, gankers will cry. They always do. I'd dare say they cry more than carebears even.
You can keep 100 posts active and even sticky them, they still will pay and end up here posting omgpiwateshavenohonor tears. Goon posts are a perfect example of this.
Well then, there is no problems with ransom. People are paying up and everything is hunky dory. Pirates complaining about people not paying ransom are making it up then.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.29 03:59:00 -
[113]
I like it when you ransom someone, they pay the ransom, and also hire you to kill someone
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:02:00 -
[114]
Originally by: IvyRose Im the current CEO of Black Marsh and id like to correct your post we are not all RL friends or alts of Carvin so get your facts straight. Second of all if you kept up on anything youd see that alot of those names are now in 0.0 corporations. Thank you and for future reference if you have an issue get your facts straight. Have a wonderful day.
Have a wonderful day yourself ♥
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Baillif
Red Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:23:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: IvyRose Im the current CEO of Black Marsh and id like to correct your post we are not all RL friends or alts of Carvin so get your facts straight. Second of all if you kept up on anything youd see that alot of those names are now in 0.0 corporations. Thank you and for future reference if you have an issue get your facts straight. Have a wonderful day.
Have a wonderful day yourself ♥
Confirming Spanky Spank practices voodoo and is raising the dead
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:15:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Baillif
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: IvyRose Im the current CEO of Black Marsh and id like to correct your post we are not all RL friends or alts of Carvin so get your facts straight. Second of all if you kept up on anything youd see that alot of those names are now in 0.0 corporations. Thank you and for future reference if you have an issue get your facts straight. Have a wonderful day.
Have a wonderful day yourself ♥
Confirming Spanky Spank practices voodoo and is raising the dead
I just sold her a Thrasher for 700m, my bad. ~_~
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Nisstyree
Chimera Raiders MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nisstyree on 20/04/2010 07:55:09 I will usually avoid even taking position in these kind of threads simply because ultimately they are futile and have no impact on the various pirates nor carebears. Honoring ransoms is not applied by everyone as can be expected in a diverse universe with thousands of individuals such as EVE. Everyone is entitled to "their" view of what piracy is about to the point that some ppl will define highsec griefers and/or canflipers as pirates, although I personally don't consider them pirates. Piracy is about making profit while doing something you enjoy (blowing stuff up).
In my own experience, being part of a pirate corporation/alliance that honors ransoms makes things easier within the corp since the members can develop a certain degreee of trust in each other. This translates in having no corp thieves and making things easy when splitting up the revenues from loot/ransoms. The fact is that if I don't live up to my word towards others then what's stopping me from tricking my own guys? In the end all you have to show in this game to be part of a growing social network is your degree of success (sadly not competence) and your reputation.
To all the preachers of the "Do not pay ransoms to grief the pirates" approach: Whether the victim pays the ransom or not, doesn't really have any impact on the morale of the pirates involved, since one way or the other we make profit anyway; be it in liquid ISK or in modules off your wrecks. Some victims seem to forget that their loss of XXX value may be a big deal to them and leave deep scars in their memories, but to the pirate it's only kill number XXXX of the day. The only thing mildly annoying is when the target manages to self-destruct without us noticing, for no other reason other than it meaning we (the pirates) messed up.
So in conclusion the best advice I can give you Greygal is: Learn from your mistakes and harden the f**k up. Getting ransomed 7 times ain't anything to be proud of yet alone coming on C&P whining about it in hopes that some white knight of righteous glory do something about it.
My 2 cents
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takedoom
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Posted - 2010.04.20 08:25:00 -
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Pirates who do not honor ransoms are bad pirates.
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Artemis Roe
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:01:00 -
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I usually fly with the idea that noone will ever honor a ransom.. cause my friends certainly dont. seeing someone pay out 200 mil for a ship and then get podded is enough to keep me from ever paying a ransom. Even better are POS ransoms, can sometimes milk a bil or more from corps and then nab their stuff anyways.
overall, eve is played by mean mean people. remember this and you should never find yourself with your pants down, or atleast if they are down, you wont be so suprised when someone gleefully "steps up to the plate"
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Artemis Roe
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: OwMy Bawls
Originally by: Malephar Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. A pirate with honor is always a better person than the pirate without honor.
But the pirate without honor has the loots AND a killmail
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