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Xious
Caldari Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Xious on 02/01/2010 22:26:42 Approximatly one week ago, Ushra'Khan paid CONCORD to allow us to engage Curatores Veritatis Alliance and Sylph Alliance in high-security space. In the wake of these actions Libertas Fidelitas decided to join in with their Amarrian masters and placed a war decrelation on Ushra'Khan.
We made the war mutual.
Our Alliance 2IC informed Libertas Fidelitas of this with the following private encoded message:
Quote: Dear Lasterax,
Ushra'Khan hereby recognises your declaration of war, should you wish it to end you will need to surrender to us.
See you on the battlefield.
Today Libertas Fidelitas has decided to surrender to Ushra'Khan. The reasons of which are still unknown, but it is clear to us all that Libertas Fidelitas has proven, once again, that without their Amarrian masters holding their hand, all they can do is hide.
Fly free, for we are the Ushra'Khan.
We are coming. ---------------------------------
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:32:00 -
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Quote: CONCORD invalidates war declared by Ushra'Khan against Curatores Veritatis Alliance From: CONCORD Sent: 2009.12.30 12:14
CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
You get this message when you forget to pay the bill.
Having money troubles? Perhaps you could ask your owners for a loan.
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lasterax
Minmatar Free Masons United Inc. Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: lasterax on 02/01/2010 22:38:37 With all due respect one would think that even terrorists could read loss reports but apparently not. After being more than 60% efficient at routing the stealthy Ushra'Khan from the rocks they hide from under we have certainly enjoyed ourselves.
Once U'K decided they could no longer afford to keep their war going against CVA we felt we no longer needed to trifle ourselves with hunting in high sec. We'll be happy to continue coming to your back yard to kill you (if you come out) and if you want to fight us in high sec you may look to take out a loan.
Amarr victor!!!
lasterax Executor Libertas Fidelitas
Minmatar by birth but Ammatar by choice.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:39:00 -
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Not only do the Masters fight for them and lay everything into order for them to pad their kill-records, the same masters also fight their verbal battles!
Truly an amazing sight that should tell anyone what we're dealing with here.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:41:00 -
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Yes Grr, we understand that like LFA, CVA didn't have the stomach for open mutual CONCORD sanctioned war.
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William Pierce
Caldari Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:51:00 -
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Lasterax, I believe that your numbers are slightly skewed by the fact that you include kills and losses made in 0.0, which have nothing to do with the war. Kills/losses in high or low security space are the only ones actually affected by Concord sanctioning. Here are the numbers from our records:
In high and low security space, you were involved in killing our pilots 5 times. In the same space, we were involved in killing your pilots over 50 times.
Paints quite a different picture, doesn't it?
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Red Katherine
Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:03:00 -
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Sorry, but just so I can follow this, cousins, the story goes something like this, right?
1. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan declare open war on the imperial Curatores Veritatis Alliance.
2. The Holder alliance Libertas Fidelitas, in a show of solidarity with CVA, declares war on the Ushra'Khan.
3. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan quickly and silently retract their war declaration again the CVA with no announcement or explanation. CVA makes no comment.
4. In proportional response, Libertas Fidelitas withdraws their declaration against the Ushra'Khan.
5. An Ushra'Khan spokesmen crows on Galnet that Libertas Fidelitas has cowardly surrendered to the Matari freedom fighters.
That about sums it up right?
It's funny, because when I follow through those points chronologically, I'm inclined to think that step 5 is pretty damn odd. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Red Katherine 3. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan quickly and silently retract their war declaration.
The Convention was breached, no officials have ever stated to neither side about our retracting the war :)
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William Pierce
Caldari Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Red Katherine Sorry, but just so I can follow this, cousins, the story goes something like this, right?
1. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan declare open war on the imperial Curatores Veritatis Alliance.
2. The Holder alliance Libertas Fidelitas, in a show of solidarity with CVA, declares war on the Ushra'Khan.
3. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan quickly and silently retract their war declaration again the CVA with no announcement or explanation. CVA makes no comment.
4. In proportional response, Libertas Fidelitas withdraws their declaration against the Ushra'Khan.
5. An Ushra'Khan spokesmen crows on Galnet that Libertas Fidelitas has cowardly surrendered to the Matari freedom fighters.
That about sums it up right?
It's funny, because when I follow through those points chronologically, I'm inclined to think that step 5 is pretty damn odd.
Made some tweaks for accuracy:
1. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan declare open war on the imperial Curatores Veritatis Alliance.
2. The Holder alliance Libertas Fidelitas, in a show of solidarity with CVA, declares war on the Ushra'Khan.
3. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan repeatedly kill members of LF in high security space.
4. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan retract their war declaration against CVA, as they realize that CVA will refuse to go mutual, and according to you guys, are short on cash (not really).
5. In response, Libertas Fidelitas withdraws their declaration against the Ushra'Khan as they continue losing ships, and now have no one to back them up.
5. An Ushra'Khan spokesmen says on Galnet that Libertas Fidelitas has surrendered to the Matari freedom fighters.
Matari victor! We come for our people!
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:22:00 -
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LFA withdrew from mutual war. CVA wouldn't even dare accept such terms in the first place.
Blood for Freedom.
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Titus Balls
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi LFA withdrew from mutual war. CVA wouldn't even dare accept such terms in the first place.
Blood for Freedom.
CVA think they are too good to bother with freedom fighters like us? Then this will be their downfall.
We come for our people!
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Levinn Orpherus
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:43:00 -
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We Come for our people
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Solostrom
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:44:00 -
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After a fast and rough review of the results of the Empire war.
It is easily acknowledged that fighting between multiple Alliances in 0.0 space is frequently distorted. So this is just an analysis of Empire results Ushra'Khan vs LFA.
1) All results are calculated from 27.12 as this is the time that the Ushra'Khan accepted mutual war and hence our figures for the 3 days prior are not recorded in the campaign.
2) Results are averaged and do not include, pods, shuttles, and entry level capsule pilot ships unless they were transporting valuable goods. Where ever possible rounding errors are given the best possible point of view from either side.
3) A certain Empire kill which records as 2.5B ISK worth of loss is only credited for 1B.
Results... Ushra'Khan vs LFA = 84% for UK win according to Galnet.
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Rogue Steel
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:12:00 -
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Death to the Empire! |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 03/01/2010 00:29:30 Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 03/01/2010 00:28:57 /me doesn't see how <UNITY>'s failings = <LFA> surrendering. By all means, rewardeck CVA, and don't fail to pay the bill...
I might add that this is sad and poor behavior by an alliance that I respect. Why do you have to declare "victory" every time Concord/YOU screw up? It just makes you look......so petty. If your going to declare victory, have something to back it up next time. --Isaac
Signature is now under construction: check back in a couple weeks. Or months....
AMAAR VICTOR!
"You just can't fix stupid"
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 03/01/2010 00:28:02
Quote: We Come for our people
Quote: We come for our people!
Quote: Death to the Empire!
Funny, I could have sworn this was a place for serious debate, not repeating overused propaganda phrases.
To our Amarrian friends, I would like to apologise on the behalf of the Caldari race for all of the s****that somehow made its way from neglecting and shaming the loving embrace of our State to joining the band of criminals and pirates that dares to call itself freedom fighters.
To the pathetic "liberators", how many more innocent lives do you have to murder before you realise your mad scheme is unrealistic and doomed to fail? Terrorising innocent people and murdering them by the thousands for the off chance of stealing a dozen of legally acquired slaves is not how I would define "fighting for freedom".
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:03:00 -
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Enough. CVA are full aware this war did not push U'K to their limits. U'K know the same of LFA and CVA. More has been lost by both sides in a day of station warfare than was lost in the duration of this war. War could be declared and surrendered every 48 hours and it wouldn't change current strategic realities between Providence and U'K. Crowing about CONCORD constructs is completely unbecoming.
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Seliah
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Enough. CVA are full aware this war did not push U'K to their limits. U'K know the same of LFA and CVA. More has been lost by both sides in a day of station warfare than was lost in the duration of this war. War could be declared and surrendered every 48 hours and it wouldn't change current strategic realities between Providence and U'K. Crowing about CONCORD constructs is completely unbecoming.
Some reasonable words, at last.
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BL00D RUSH
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: BL00D RUSH on 03/01/2010 01:11:20
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Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi LFA withdrew from mutual war. CVA wouldn't even dare accept such terms in the first place.
Blood for Freedom.
We had a mutual war for many years. You ended it.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:49:00 -
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I do have to agree with Garreck for once. Until this conflict escalates to where the limits are pushed over the edge, we come for our people.
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Clipparius
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Clipparius on 03/01/2010 02:40:24
Originally by: Red Katherine Sorry, but just so I can follow this, cousins, the story goes something like this, right?
1. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan declare open war on the imperial Curatores Veritatis Alliance.
2. The pet alliance Libertas Fidelitas, in a show of spectacular sucking up with CVA, declares war on the Ushra'Khan.
3. The warriors of the Ushra'Khan rejoice, and rapidly make the declaration of war with Libertas Fidelitas mutual, thereby making sure that one side or the other has to declare to Concorde that they have surrendered.
4. Ushra'Khan let the war declaration against CVA lapse, either due to lack of funds or other targets of opportunity presenting themselves. (depends if you are a CVA pet or not)
5. Libertas Fidelitas, realising that they are suddenly without the millitary backup from their masters, rapidly run to the Concorde offices to sign the surrender.
6. An Ushra'Khan spokesmen crows on Galnet that Libertas Fidelitas has cowardly surrendered to the Matari freedom fighters.
That about sums it up right?
It's funny, because when I follow through those points chronologically, I'm inclined to think that step 5 is pretty damn odd.
Helped you out with your timelines, but yes, point 5 is odd :)
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:33:00 -
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Wonderful.
We're chestbeating over wardecs now?
Really?
Ushra'Khan used to be something. That time seems more and more distant all the time. -------
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jakiin on 03/01/2010 18:51:58 This does seem quite petty. If you even bothered to try to understand the most basic Amarr governence this is all really quite simple. LF act as Holders within the Delivered Systems, and as such they are subservient to CVA as long as they hold CVA goverened space. U'K declares war against CVA, so LF declares war on U'K to support them. When U'K ends the war on CVA, LF has no imperative to continue their war.
I'm not sure why I explained that, actually: Either you're too dense to understand anything that might contradict your convenient little world view or your crowing like a child despite your understanding. Either way you're not worth that much in the realm of intelligent discussion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:55:00 -
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The fact is that UK is the entity handing out the wardecs.
When one holder wardecs us, we seize the opportunity and make it mutual. They then surrender.
Comdedy gold. ----------
~bitter dog~
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Forlorn Wongraven
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.04 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog When one holder wardecs us, we seize the opportunity and make it mutual. They then surrender.
Fixed! ____________________ We are the Ushra'Khan, and we come for our people. |
Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.04 11:27:00 -
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It's good to see you enjoy CONCORD mechanics so much. It's just a pitty that your war declaration on the CVA wasn't more than some shortterm 'holiday hauler hunting' fun for the low traffic days most people spent planetside. In that light it's a bit strange that you get so excited about this.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.04 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 04/01/2010 13:10:51
Slaver Tharrn, I didn't see you on the field, but if you were there you would have observed a high level of mutual respect between our forces - warrior to warrior, witnessed some gritty head to head battles and a result that I doubt either side would call a victory.
I suggest you look over the records, and ask your brothers in arms of what went down those few days before you make mockery of us on this forum.
It was a minor skirmish in the grand scheme of things, but it was what it was - a test, another paragraph in our history, another step along the path.
As for LFA, Empire suppression campaigns of Providence Holders is a tactic we use as we see fit in our struggle. To be given the opportunity to make mutual a war declared upon us by a potential target, that met our strategic and tactical goals was rare indeed, but LFA presented us that opportunity.
It was more than that though, when LFA's chief accepted our mutual communication with a bold grin I thought perhaps we had found a foe worth fighting.
We were left disappointed.
No matter - LFA you don't get off that light, see you in just under 24 hours.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.04 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn It's good to see you enjoy CONCORD mechanics so much. It's just a pitty that your war declaration on the CVA wasn't more than some shortterm 'holiday hauler hunting' fun for the low traffic days most people spent planetside. In that light it's a bit strange that you get so excited about this.
we wardec'd you - why didn't you make it mutual?
anyway you know where the wardec button is - actions speak louder than words
tick tock ----------
~bitter dog~
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.04 15:14:00 -
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*You* quit the Empire war with the CVA again. Tick tock yourself. Does that mean you are now
1. hiding 2. can't fight the CVA without your 'petmasters' from -A-
No, it doesn't. The war rages on in Providence. My whole point was and is that this proclamation is a total and absolute waste of space. The small Empire skirmish (as it obviously wasn't a serious effort, which is OK but also means you shouldn't blow it out of proportion in some vain PR effort) didn't change a thing.
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