The problems with the UI affected everyone in the entire game without question, Faction Warfare is only small subset of players, and besides no one's been able to successfully convince CCP yet that there is a "crisis" here where one faction is stuck purely based on the mechanics alone. So I think the sense of urgency you'd like them to have on this issue probably isn't the same sense of urgency they're going to have.

I've already spoke with them about this though, and discussed the exact solutions proposed in this thread by you all. I'm just not sure they're going to devote the time to it or not. Like I said, that's something only Ytterbium can clarify or give reasons as to why that's not possible.

Regarding the sleeper AI - whatever they end up using, the design goal is to tailor fit them to be fought against using PvP fits. The NPC's may not be copycats of incursion rats or sleeper rates, CCP has the capability at least to custom make new NPC's and adjust their strengths and firepower to fit. If it were me coding them, I'd make them fewer in number, smart enough that they mitigate speed tanking and force a ship-up for each plex size but are still straightforward enough to kill that they don't serve as a persistent deterrent to PvP. They shouldn't force pilots into *tank-the-room* PvE fits that focus on DPS-soaking, but they should have enough webbing frigates and such that you put yourself at much higher risk going into a larger plex in a small ship. All that to say, I've heard enough of their intentions here to not worry too much about this pushing FW back into PvE-land. We already have incursions, there is no need to duplicate that here,

The only thing this has done is give us better LP-ISK conversions. It has done nothing in terms of actually taking and holding space, except from a very abstract view in the sense that we have had the potential of making more ISK from FacWar than you have.

It's not like you guys haven't been exploiting the fact that the Minmatar have had T4 and occasionally T5 warzone control, either. Many of the Amarr have admitted they use Minmatar alts to farm missions or plexes in order to make ISK.

And so what if Jade says he has made "BILLIONS (holy crap, billions! with a B!)". Many of us on both sides of the war have made and continue to make billions off of FW and other activities. Billions is nothing special, unlike the Goonies' Trillions which is indeed impressive. But those Trillions are in Goon pockets, not ours.

A system reset goes against everything CCP has stood for in the history of EVE. Thinking CCP is going to give you one is just naive, wishful thinking.

Some Amarr have farmed due to a broken mechanic. Doesn't change the fact that your side can complete majors in a 1 frig with a one week old char and we can't whilst you get bonus LP and cheap ships and we don't and the goons propped you up.

The reason you held that many systems is because you could plex more effectively than we could BEFORE Inferno AND it only took 5-6 hours to flip a system instead of something that now takes over a day.

Justify it all you want but broken game mechanics and lack of balance HAS given the minmitar a massive advantage and all you tell us is who great you are and how much we suck. Make it a fair fight once and for all and then see how things work out.

As to the ability of the Amarr to earn ISK, I do think that the negative penalties of not owning enough of the Warzone are detrimental to everyone in facwar. It should be Base LP Gain/Store which can be improved, not a Base LP Gain/Store that can be diminished to ****.

vOv

Do you also agree that one side being able to speed tank a major in a frigate with a 1 week old char whilst the other cannot should also continue to exist???

Id say delete the upgrades, but since minmatar have so many more people farming more LP over the last month, due to the attractiveness of the faction, minnies can likely just prop that back up themselves now and leave us in the same position.

The damage has been done and the war is forever slanted.

The isk is going to be removed from the 'sploiters - that hurts no one but the exploiters for their time - what about the poor amarrians who have been effected directly by the LP generated? Is that going to be removed too?

Wishful thinking possibly, but still worth a ramble from a butt hurt player, his crumbling faction and friends.

Of course not. It's bullshit. I'm arguing against a system reset, not a much needed fix of the imbalances of the NPCs.

I don't expect a system reset. But I would love you to give Hans a kick up the backside and tell him to represent ALL of the militia and get this stuff fixed ASAP. If you guys win due to being better, I accept that and +1 to the minmitar militia. But deep down, you all know that you have been given a leg up and therefore you haven't had the true victory you all claim. Get behind the Amarr cause to fix the NPCs and balance everything and THEN if you are still winning, you will know you truely earned it...

We are kicking him about this stuff all the time, mate. It might seem like Hans is a snake just because he is enjoying the benefits of being in the Minmatar, but listening to him on TS3 every day, I can say that he does truly care about the health of all FW, not just the MinMil, like some tinfoil conspiracists like to claim. Ultimately, he (and the CSM) doesn't have a lot of power over CCP. I think he is doing his best to give advice and push suggestions that preserve the spirit of FW while maintaining a fair system. You can choose to believe that, or not.

This assumes that "Goon manipulation" is the reason we've held 56 systems in the first place. All the Goons are claiming to do is to have propped up the WZ control level with their invested LP. That doesnt mean that the Amarr are necessarily going to suddenly surge forward now that our "backers" are gone. They lost all their space long before this manipulation ever took place. It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. If Goons were claiming to have rolled hundreds of plexing alts into the militia to grind system captures, that would be a different case entirely, but they're not.

Also, the end of manipulation of the WZ control doesn't make Tier 5 a suddenly impossible achievement. It takes several million LP to invest every one of 56 systems to level V, this is easily earned by a handful of individual pilots investing an afternoon's worth of work. In other words, Goons are *not* the only ones capable of a coordinated pooling of LP upgrades by any means.

The posts that Hans has been making sure seem to suggest that he doesn't see the unbalanced mechanics being a major reason why the Minmitar have gained and held their advantage.

The goons even commented on it - "That is true, minmatar was picked because you were already owning amarr (probably due to speedtanking though).

We dont need a reset. We need to remove LP from plexing once again until a better system for occupancy is devised and actual real dev time spend on implementing it. Also, revise the tier system so people can have some balance in their ability to afford ships for PvP.

I'll agree with you that what Goons did was a **** move. But technically, besides the market manipulation part, it was all within the rules. So, now, instead of doing something about it.......like a major offensive plexing fleet. (goons left FW, (as far as my knowledge goes, and according to their post) so there goes alot of the competition) you guys want CCP to come in and press the reset button?

Wow, just......wow

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...

I read that post and all I see is Hans saying that Goons aren't the sole factor that has caused Minmatar to be stronger than the Amarr and that w/out Goons everything goes to ****. vOv

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...

I didn't ask for a reset and my first post said it wouldn't happen...

I AM saying that the Minmitar are swimming in ISK/LP due to what the goons did and the goons picked the minmitar as the militia to use because of the broken NPCs which allowed them to plex far easier then we can and therefore allowed them to capture more systems...

The threads title says.... Quoting is about to go on here!

To Quote: "Can I haz systems reset now plz"

What you have at stake here? You are part of a faction who does not want fights but remove your enemy entirely from face of low-sec. You have yourself said that "Occupancy does not interest me" since you can supposedly just go pirate on your whim. You have also hinted that you have ran so many missions that isk should not be a concern for you.

So am I right that basicly you want to have your cake and eat it too by being a low-sec pirate AND have legit wartargets whom you dont have to worry sentryguns about AND you want to be able to dock whereever you want since camping stations with instalockers is pr0-pvp and docking in hostile occupancy is perfectly normal?

so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail

Oh...**** GUYS, there's alot of systems of us to recapture! We have a awesome chance to make a **** ton of LP...if only we can get our heads out of eachothers asses.....oh wait, that requires work and ...GASP! Effort!!!?!?!?

CCP can we has reset plz...??!?

dude, amarrs been sitting on buttons while dodging zee blob for over a month now, chasing frigs out of plexes and got no where. Now we find out minnies have been looking so damned good compared because the goonies were working a hella'sploit boosting the minnies no end.

forgetting for a second we actually have to sit in minmatar plexes in proper pvp/pve ships and that we have no stations to base from since they were taken before the patch, after the changes were announced, of course.

"working as intended" Hans?

The clues are here and while people still care, we will raise this valid and obvious points, till there isnt anyone left and minmatar fw becomes incursions with a better LP store.

I very much doubt ccp had this in mind when spending 5 minutes of a coders time implementing this shite

I completely understand what GSF did, and CCP already stated what they're going to do about it.

All in all, stop bitching about your situation. Sucks as it does, and stop bitching about it and do something about it. Because believe you me. I'm half tempted to bring an alt into Amarr just to farm Minnie LP...

Perhaps then you should learn to read a bit better

All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy.

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about

:workingasintended:


Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about

:workingasintended:

In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.

Can we get that system reset now please ccp?

The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them.

If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.

In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.

Can we get that system reset now please ccp?

The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them.

so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail

This kind of thing is a real problem for CCP though.

Every single time it becoms apparent there has been cheating/exploiting/whatever in a bad way it becomes an issue of asking how far the corruption and rot of that cheating spreads to contaminate the rest of the game. 0.0 alliances were caught exploiting moon harvesters and bought titan fleets with the ill-gotten loot, that let them hold space and get more space and get more income. The people doing the exploit got banned, but the impacts of the exploit (sovereignty map and combat results) continued.

say tonight you lose a faction vindicator Maud to a group of drakes from a dodgy nullsec corp that has been punished for macro mining in the past - is it fair that you lost a ship to a bunch of exploiters knowing that those drakes might have been paid for by cheating? No its not fair, its annoying and its crap - but there is a point where the investigation needs to draw a line.

Now on this FW thing. I think we shouldn't polish the goons ego too much. The impact was probably they kept minmatar at tier 4 for a week or so and may have helped flip it to tier 5 on sat initially. It takes 6 million lp to bring minmatar systems from zero to five across the board and achieve tier 5. So their impact was a portion of 6million (how much is open to question, perhaps CCP sreegs might report on that at some point).

Goons did nothing to win the war for minmatar pre Inferno. They have done nothing to fight the war since inferno (in terms of system ownership and plexing) and the upgrades have no impact on defense either.

So it is purely the case that the matari faction have benefitted from potentially dodgy goon LP's to boost their store prices.

Now you could ask Sreegs to retroactively remove the boon from the tier 5 store cashout (basically revert everything that people did last saturday - though I know for a fact that some of us put our legit LP's into system upgrades to keep it at tier 5 and back to tier 5 when it dropped. But its messy.

You could also perhaps ask CCP to flatline the Minmtar upgrades right now as a corrective gesture (again its messy and definitely more ceremonial than targetted) Or ask CCP to put the Amarr ones to 5 as a potential "we're sorry gesture". But the problem is ... ordinary Minmatar players knew nothing of the Goon exploit going on. They played honestly and its quite unfair to damage their gameplay as a result of this nullsec manipuation of FW.

CCP were to blame ultimately for the gaps in the system that got gamed and exploited by the goons ... and though its always annoying to know that somebody else's cheating impacted your gameplay - sometimes you do just need to shrug and get over it.

Bottom line, I'm honestly not sure what ccp can do to set this right.

Oh Jade Jade Jade. See, your problem here is that (ask anyone who knows me) is that I'll never fly any faction whatever bigger then a frig. So me loosing a faction vindicator to a cheating drake 0.0 blob will never happen. Thus I'll never know the *crushing* blow it'll cause.

For the minimatar who claim that the goon intervention didn't help them and OMG WE HOLD 56 SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOOO GOOOOD, you don't think that the influx of plexing alts helped? I know that a HUGE number of amarr pilots even had plexing alts, working against their own side, because the rewards were too much to resist. Also, an IN slicer for plexing or PVP is very pricey for an Amarr pilot on LP, a SFI costs you less than a frigate for us. Do you think that this had NOTHING to do with your ability to control systems?
I have spent the past month plexing up systems, defensive plexing (for 0 reward) and PVPing to help the amarr side. It felt like CRAP to plex all day, yet still see you guys at tier 4 or 5 the next morning. It felt even worse to discover that there was a reason for this beyond the broken mechanics of the plexing system, the clearly unfair NPC balance, and the disorganization on the Amarr side. I went out to plex last night, then decided "screw it, it's not worth working against this stupid mechanic any more."
We don't need a system reset. However, I feel like every amarr pilot needs to petition EVERY LOST SHIP for the last month, since we lost them fighting against a broken mechanic that we had no chance of winning against.
If you Minimatar think that this whole thing was OK, and that the "whole thing will balance out in the end" SCREW YOU. You should be just as pissed as we are about a stupid game mechanic favoring one side. I was very excited by the changes, those first few days after the patch were AWESOME, getting fights, making ISK, and enjoying the prospect of a new warzone. Since then it has been a demoralizing slog through stupid plex after stupid plex, and the fact that we had no chance of ever making progress or bumping up a tier just proves how broken this system is.

Here's the thing. The goons involved in this were a small group interested in playing the markets - they don't plex ... period. Such things are WAY TO plebian and "pubbylike" and they were much too busy with their scheme to play an impact in the warzone. System upgrades (which they did spent LP on obviously) convey no defensive bonus.

Now if you spent all night defensive plexing you obviously weren't having an impact on the loyalty point tiers anyway because well - how could it have an impact given that you don't invest in enemy systems!

Whereas if you spent time plexing minmatar systems and saw the tier jump up to 4 again in the morning at least I could understand your frustration a bit. (but that way you'd have gotten plenty of reward).

But all that said.

Sure, I do understand you are annoyed and frustrated. I am too in a way, its a shame that CCP's faction warfare changes (which I like a lot) proved so open to exploiting in this manner. And it does take away something of the pleasure I had last weekend when we reached the tier 5 and cashed out. But it doesn't really change the fact that the warzone system control wasn't impacted in any way whatsoever. I don't believe a single goon alt plexed offensively or defensively. The outcome of the pre inferno war was decided honestly, and system control has continued to be decided honestly.

But yeah its a shame what happened, but what can CCP really do about it?

That is bull.
1) Goons saw Minmitar had the most systems and could get them to Tier 4/5 the best

2) They gamed the system and as a side effect propped up the Minmitar with their gamed LP

3) The noob alts rolled into the Minmitar militia due to the stupid 0.0 faction standing change (instead of the 0.5 one) to get in on the action.

4) Those noob alts DID offensively plex to get in on the insance ISK collecting mechanics that was Minmitar militia

Here's the thing. The goons involved in this were a small group interested in playing the markets - they don't plex ... period. Such things are WAY TO plebian and "pubbylike" and they were much too busy with their scheme to play an impact in the warzone. System upgrades (which they did spent LP on obviously) convey no defensive bonus.

Now if you spent all night defensive plexing you obviously weren't having an impact on the loyalty point tiers anyway because well - how could it have an impact given that you don't invest in enemy systems!

Whereas if you spent time plexing minmatar systems and saw the tier jump up to 4 again in the morning at least I could understand your frustration a bit. (but that way you'd have gotten plenty of reward).

But all that said.

Sure, I do understand you are annoyed and frustrated. I am too in a way, its a shame that CCP's faction warfare changes (which I like a lot) proved so open to exploiting in this manner. And it does take away something of the pleasure I had last weekend when we reached the tier 5 and cashed out. But it doesn't really change the fact that the warzone system control wasn't impacted in any way whatsoever. I don't believe a single goon alt plexed offensively or defensively. (to be quite honest if you want to talk about goons plexing look to Fweddit on your side).

The outcome of the pre inferno war was decided honestly, and system control has continued to be decided honestly.

But yeah its a shame what happened, but what can CCP really do about it?

All these tears and complaints.

Who cares about how hard taking plexes is, and who converts LP at whatever rate?

The ONLY reason the Minmatar is taking Amarr systems at will is because of teamwork and coordination between timezones and alliances.

Last night we took another system whilst the Amarr set up a Kamela defence fleet, to defend against about 4 minmatar camping 60+ amarr in system.

Goons may have LP whored, we may have farming alts, but what COUNTS is that the Minmatar ALWAYS have fleets up and rolling around the warzone - sometimes 5 people, sometimes 30, but they are always up.

With the exception of FWEDDIT, the Amarr seem to only be on the forums complaining and whining. Thank god they joined to give the Amarr some spine and structure.

You want a better LP Tier? You need more systems. Systems that farmers and alts won't defend because they get no LP for Dplexing.

Grow some balls, work out a strategy and then undock.

You might even have some fun.

All these tears and complaints.

Who cares about how hard taking plexes is, and who converts LP at whatever rate?

The ONLY reason the Minmatar is taking Amarr systems at will is because of teamwork and coordination between timezones and alliances.

Last night we took another system whilst the Amarr set up a Kamela defence fleet, to defend against about 4 minmatar camping 60+ amarr in system.

Goons may have LP whored, we may have farming alts, but what COUNTS is that the Minmatar ALWAYS have fleets up and rolling around the warzone - sometimes 5 people, sometimes 30, but they are always up.

With the exception of FWEDDIT, the Amarr seem to only be on the forums complaining and whining. Thank god they joined to give the Amarr some spine and structure.

You want a better LP Tier? You need more systems. Systems that farmers and alts won't defend because they get no LP for Dplexing.

Grow some balls, work out a strategy and then undock.

You might even have some fun.

coherent stuff.

....

When you have been in FW a few years....

When you have been in FW a few years you see the "Wheel of FW turn". Sides become dominant, sides become weaker....then a few months down the line something occurs (normally a power shift when a major corp leaves the dominnant or a major corp joins the weaker).

It happens time and time again on all sides. However, Inferno brought massive changes to this and the wheel has hit bumpy ground. It will in time settle back down. Whether or not it's been buckled by half arsed implementation and poorly thought out consequences has yet to be seen.

The Minmitar have the upper hand at the moment and more than likely they are enjoying their time on the wheel. Good for them

However. Having the same abilities across the board for FW rats would balance it out and in time the Amarr/Minmitar front would balance out naturally during the war. No need for a reset.

Sali

Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore.

What the hell is a gate?

Place where you usually make cyno to jump your capitals in.

Troll post .

going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.

That's why you bridge guardians too.

But by the time my neutral scout lights up and I get my Thrasher, neutral scouts, boosters, falcon alts and Guardians's through the bridge the rifter has jumped through the gate so I got to go do it all again, solo pvp really shouldn't be that hard......

In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.

Can we get that system reset now please ccp?

The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them.

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station.

Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.

We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.

You seem to be discounting the change in Inferno that dropped the VP payout to 20% of pre-patch levels. Meaning what used to take 5-6 hours of plexing now takes over a day... Meaning it has to be a concerted 23.5 hour push to take an uncontested system assuming no defence.

Now, the fact neither side seems that interested in defensive plexing is an issue due to the lack of rewards for doing it. Its boring and for the Amarr, there's no PvP - just 1 week old chars in the minmitar militia with no weapons fitted, just speed mods and warp core stabs.

....

All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy.

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about

:workingasintended:


Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*

Quote before edit/delete.

And to people in Caldari: stop hating Amarr because of a few dickheads.

so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail

*Cough*

Shakorites have only the illusion of an epeen to stroke so you might as well stop doing it in public, makes you look 'off''. Everything sov/occupancy related the Shakorites have achieved in the past and present is entirely and completely due to the utterly broken plexing mechanics .. ie. not your organization, leet pew, massive blobs, village idiots or turnip soup.

Bragging about how :awesome: you are in the sov/occupancy war with mechanics as lopsided as they are, is like a guy winning the lottery and claiming to be a financial genius.

But take heart, it seems CCP is intent on breaking FW even more before they set about fixing it .. so come 1.1 (eWar removal) and FW will be 10% gatecamps and 90% AB frigates passing each other in the night. Gonna be AWESOME!

We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.

And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5.

thanks for helping me prove my point.

I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P

And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5.

thanks for helping me prove my point.

I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P

no body on the minm side but roobosasa cared about systems till the patch notes came out, then minmatarr used their numbers around the tz to take our stuff.

you earned your systems before we could get the numbers around the clock to defend them and or take yours effectivly, minmatar were at a major advantage from a mechanic change and managed to hold them till the patch came in at which point the 4 hours after DT changed to 2 days solid plexing.

and you think you deserved any of those?

As to the minmattar gaining many players from the t4/t5 situation caused by the LP dumps from goons? how do you not see that?

new player sees fw changes, looks at factions, sees minmatar at t4/5, makes alt joins, makes the already heavily outnumbered amarr even harder to fight back. - its pretty simple.

Yeah, we had the assets and people available to take advantage of the fact the system was changing. How is it our (or CCP's) fault that the Amarr didn't? Life's unfair, get over it.

Gaining many players? You mean, gaining mission farming alts and ****? Who gives a **** they don't benefit us. We sent every able-bodied PvP'r to the Amarr militia. You guys have **** tons of #s now, its not our fault you still don't coordinate. (Although you have been more lately, good for you.) I mean... Fweddit? New Eden Renegades? Moar Tears? and I can name countless others.

Amarr Victor!
Shackle all the slaves!
Burn the heretics!

What you have at stake here? You are part of a faction who does not want fights but remove your enemy entirely from face of low-sec. You have yourself said that "Occupancy does not interest me" since you can supposedly just go pirate on your whim. You have also hinted that you have ran so many missions that isk should not be a concern for you.

So am I right that basicly you want to have your cake and eat it too by being a low-sec pirate AND have legit wartargets whom you dont have to worry sentryguns about AND you want to be able to dock whereever you want since camping stations with instalockers is pr0-pvp and docking in hostile occupancy is perfectly normal?

TL;DR

Tried, failed, fled to caldari again.

Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.

Do i really expect CCP to wade in and reset the amarr/minmatar front, after they did not reset before the patch when minnies steamrollered amarr systems in anticipation of the patch?: no.

But its free to ask,while backing it up with a reasonable debate.

I need to stick to the free stuff, since my isk making and pvp career got harpooned from every angle.

Just be known minmaturds, you may be enjoying a ccp aided victory through luck and moving of goal posts, but our final victory made all the sweeter, riding my boat, aptly named "Amarr Victor" on the sea of your tears.

The days of reckoning are coming heathens, you will realize that your short lived time at the top will come crashing down around you and your so called friends will run and flip sides to gather whats left of their lives, as your shortly lived dreams crumble down around you all.

RP is fun.

love you all <3

This is a good start. The whole let me ***** at CCP some more will do nothing. To pull off a victory with these odds stacked up against you would be shoving your fist and foot down the minnie mouth. Only problem is the need to adapt.

Will the seniors like yourself/WBR etc. adapt from the old days of 'hot drop o clock' to 'GASP' get into a cruiser/bc/frigate and lead a good old fun fleet to plex and take it back? Or will the 'seniors' just sit back and station spin in kamela while they are alt tabbed on their minmatar alts making isk?

I hope my friends in WBR don't take my comments as a personal attack. I just miss the days when WBR where the de facto movers and shakers of any faction they joined to the passive 'isk isk and more isk' pilots they have become today. A good portion of them made isk the way instead of the means.

Look forward to hearing the good news and Amarr really swinging the tide. In the meantime as I said I need to stop linking my in game happiness to how well my faction is doing to how much fun I have flying, winning and losing with people I truly enjoy in my fleet.

<3 You all

-Mantis Out

For the minimatar who claim that the goon intervention didn't help them and OMG WE HOLD 56 SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOOO GOOOOD, you don't think that the influx of plexing alts helped? I know that a HUGE number of amarr pilots even had plexing alts, working against their own side, because the rewards were too much to resist. Also, an IN slicer for plexing or PVP is very pricey for an Amarr pilot on LP, a SFI costs you less than a frigate for us. Do you think that this had NOTHING to do with your ability to control systems?
I have spent the past month plexing up systems, defensive plexing (for 0 reward) and PVPing to help the amarr side. It felt like CRAP to plex all day, yet still see you guys at tier 4 or 5 the next morning. It felt even worse to discover that there was a reason for this beyond the broken mechanics of the plexing system, the clearly unfair NPC balance, and the disorganization on the Amarr side. I went out to plex last night, then decided "screw it, it's not worth working against this stupid mechanic any more."
We don't need a system reset. However, I feel like every amarr pilot needs to petition EVERY LOST SHIP for the last month, since we lost them fighting against a broken mechanic that we had no chance of winning against.
If you Minimatar think that this whole thing was OK, and that the "whole thing will balance out in the end" SCREW YOU. You should be just as pissed as we are about a stupid game mechanic favoring one side. I was very excited by the changes, those first few days after the patch were AWESOME, getting fights, making ISK, and enjoying the prospect of a new warzone. Since then it has been a demoralizing slog through stupid plex after stupid plex, and the fact that we had no chance of ever making progress or bumping up a tier just proves how broken this system is.

We have a hard slog defencive plexing our systems for no gain too!
And yes, its painful, its boring..............we hate it!

I honestly believe that we need some LP for defencive plexing too (though not as much as offensive plexing) to take the sting off it.
By the way, FWEDDIT ARE REALLY DAMAGING OUR STORE RIGHT NOW.. so you guys ARE picking up the game.

...P.S. **** me plexing sucks ass.

Have the Minnies just realised what a difference the E-War (Target Painters) their NPCs had was making....

I don't understand why some of the Amarr want a reset.

1) Goons chose Minmatar FW because we already had the systems under control (no need to participate in flipping systems)
2) They only needed initial LP investment for LP Store items
3) They manipulated and got all the LP for the operation
4) Upgrade systems to get best store
5) Cash in

The Goons did not really need to grind plexes that much to get the initial LP needed for the op. They just "bought" more lp once they got the initial LP.

In my opinion their contribution to plexing has been exaggerated.

Also.

I see Amarr speedtankers plexing in our plexes. Sure you need more training than 1 week to manage it, but not that much more. I hope CCP changes the mechanics so that you need to clear the rats in plexes to capture it. Timer is just silly. But the mechanic is what is it atm and hope it becomes better in the future.

As for LP farming system dominance has its downside too. Amarr can plex in more systems and that way it is easier and once you get that LP store running at some point you can cash in with your saved up LPs. For us the plexing LP and missioning is harder due to lesser amount of systems (more wts present to interfere). So there is a balance of sort in the FW eventhough you don't always see it.

Just undock and get out there. Do plexes and fight. FW has been a lot more fun after Inferno and we have had lots of fights and locals are filled with gfs. (and BIG PLAYS) which reminds me... extra special thanks to Fweddit. You guys are the best!

NOW that Amarr can speed tank, we are starting to see more Minnies asking for plexing balance to remove speed tanking. Lulz. Welcome to what Amarr have had to deal with for years...