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Sol Fallstaff
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:07:00 -
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I have the highest standings required to get the best benefits from processing within a station but how high should my refining skills be to obtain the most amount of minerals.
I think i read somewhere that scrap metal 1 is sufficent and any higher than that is not counted, can anyone advice me on what the highest skill to achieve the best results, am currently training refining V.
cheers
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Sha'Aryn
Minmatar Northern Star Inter-Galactic Industries PROject Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:17:00 -
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Sounds like you're on the right track by training Refining V. If you're just doing minerals, that's all you really need skillwise. It also helps to raise your standings with the npc corp that runs the station. Make sure you're at a 50% yield station.
Scrapmetal processing improves the mineral yield of drone melts and low-value mission loot. I'm uncertain if the station or standings matter for that.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 03/01/2010 11:03:07
As you might have probably noticed, there is one specific skill for each ore type, which only affects that particular ore (all its variants). Scrapmetal processing is another "specific" skill that affects everything else (stuff that is NOT an ore : ships, modules, compounds, etc). Refining and Refinery Efficiency affect everything, being "generic" skills. Refinery Efficiency has Refining 5 as prerequisite, and most of the specific refining skills have a certain level of Ref.Eff as prerequisite (L5 for scrapmetal/ark/bist/crok processing), so there's absolutely no good reason to stop before you have at least trained Ref.Eff to level 4 first.
Formula is Refine[%] = InstallationBaseRefine[%] + 37.5% * (1+0.02*RefiningSkillLevel) * (1+0.04*RefEffSkillLevel) * (1+0.05*SpecialityRefineSkillLevel) * (1+RefiningImplantBonus[%])
With just Ref.Eff. L4, at "normal" empire NPC stations, where the base refine value is 50%, you already get 97.85% refine (2.15% waste), going up to 100% (0% waste) with just a single level in the appropriate refining skill. On the other hand, some stations have such a low base refine value that not even L5 in all three relevant skills for what you want to refine will give you 100%, and you also need one of the refining implants on top of everything else to get 100%. It's only worse for POS refining arrays, where the max possible refine is capped at a relatively low value (the "best" one has a max cap at 75%, so minimum 25% waste regardless of skills).
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Sol Fallstaff
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:05:00 -
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I should have mentioned that this skill path will be mostly used for reprocessing unwanted loot from ships not mining atm, sorry for not pointing this out.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:09:00 -
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station base 50%, standing > 6.67, refining 5, refinery efficiency 5, beancounter H50 (2% reduction in refinery waste) will give you 100% melt of loot, ore, ice.
Warning: that implant costs, if I recall, 30 million. Sinceit is actually less than 2% waste without it, you have to refine north of 1.5-to-2-billion-ish ISK worth of "stuff" to recover the money.
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Sol Fallstaff
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:15:00 -
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so if i get refinery effiency to V and use the implant u mentioned i wont need to train scrap metal at all to obtain 100% from the loot, sounds good i have a lot of loot well seem like a lot over 400k m3 to process
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