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Shako Knight	Posted - 2010.01.03 19:32:00 - [1] I am a new player to Eve (4 months, 5mm+ SP)and have been wrestling with a question as I evaluate Corporations. I'd like to get your opinions on the corp policy of NRDS (not red don't shoot) and NBSI (not blue, shoot it). Conceptually, I like the policy of NRDS and was initially drawn to corps with this policy. If for no other reason, it encourages players to venture out to null sec space where this game should ultimately be played IMO. Additionally, I would classify my style of play as more "anti-pirate" than "pirate" so again NRDS space would appear to be the right place for me. However, what I have observed in practice is that it seems to be difficult to manage this policy because many hostiles show as "neutrals" in NRDS space and corp leaders must constantly adjust standings which may or may not reflect reality. By contrast, a corporation defending their region of space and assets with a simple NBSI policy seems far more manageable and straightforward. No shades of grey. That said, outside of protecting my corps' territory, I am not sure I want to take on the full-time NBSI "pirate" lifestyle. I recognize that in the end much of this is simply a personal choice and these are the fundamental questions each individual player must answer on their own as they choose their life (and corps) in Eve. However, I am interested in other opinions.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.03 19:38:00 - [2] NBSI is really the only realistic way to police nullsec as it is far too easy to make alts and have them spy. Besides there are no standing hits in nullsec for fighting and podding so there is no 'pirate' element. You are simply defending your turf. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Dianna Soreil Monolithic.	Posted - 2010.01.03 19:39:00 - [3] you don't trust neutrals ever NRDS is stupid unless you're CVA or something
Obsidian Hawk Free Galactic Enterprises FREGE	Posted - 2010.01.03 19:41:00 - [4] Rule #1 of EvE - Don't trust anyone. Rule #2 of eVe - Don't trust anyone ever! Rule #3 of EVE - Everyone is out to pod you all the time you just dont know it yet. Go with NBSI
Lord Windu Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.03 20:28:00 - [5] NRDS gets very tiresome for a lot of people. I spent a lot of my time in NRDS 0.0 space and at first it was good but it does **** you off when you know someone is out to cause trouble in your space yet you can't shoot them because the higher-ups say they have to shoot first... Also the amount of people who complained about the policy on a regular basis used to get on my nerves. NBSI on the other hand I feel is much better for the average player, more targets, less risk and less whining. It's all personal preference but I think the majority of players in 0.0 prefer NBSI policy. ------
Dannerkongen Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.01.03 20:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Dianna Soreil you don't trust neutrals ever NRDS is stupid unless you're CVA or something still stupid.
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.01.03 20:54:00 - [7] Off the top of my head I can only name CVA as having an NRDS policy. I've also heard they have a major pirate infestation. I get the sense that those two facts are related somehow.... and further more why do i even need a sig?
evs Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.03 21:08:00 - [8] nah we dont have a major pirate infestation, and we have plenty of targets to shoot at to the op, only way you'll know is to try them out...
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.01.03 21:26:00 - [9] There are several NRDS alliances of course. Their policy in setting reds differs slightly if they are not Providence holders. Providence is an extension of Amarr empire space, and so the rules for setting red there are fairly simple. NBSI is the easy option. you shoot everyone not blue to you. You hold space. You shoot anyone who goes there. This generally means nobody goes there :) NRDS is more challenging, and yet also more rewarding. NRDS alliances have a mission and a purpose to their actions. NRDS holder space can be very much more busy simply becaus it is open space (in the case of Providence). NRDS does not mean you trust all nuetrals. It just means you don't shoot them. And no... Providence is not exactly infested with pirates, unless they are the kind in the anomalies... heh. But of course a target rich environment can be a good thing.
Benco97 Gallente Shadow Veil Industrial	Posted - 2010.01.03 22:28:00 - [10] Personally I'm sick and tired of NBSI, far FAR too many people use it as an excuse for piracy and then claim to be the good guys. Either don't kill everyone you ever meet without the faintest hint of explanation before or after the kill OR just call yourselves pirates like you really are. Nothing wrong with being a pirate, lots wrong with being a **. ______________________________________________ Originally by:** P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2010.01.03 22:41:00 - [11] NBSI is best imo, cause in null sec everyone wants to kill you. if they don't want to kill you, they don't belong in null sec and you can be the one to send them home. ps: just because i am NBSI dose not mean i am a pirate, pirates are in low sec.
Dr Karsun Gallente HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.03 22:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Benco97 Personally I'm sick and tired of NBSI, far FAR too many people use it as an excuse for piracy and then claim to be the good guys. Either don't kill everyone you ever meet without the faintest hint of explanation before or after the kill OR just call yourselves pirates like you really are. Nothing wrong with being a pirate, lots wrong with being a ****. NRDS is in my opinion far better, although it can get a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes. We do have reds coming every day to get their asses kicked (or kick our asses) and when we want to, we can go to nbsi territory and just have a nice fight. It's not like nrds means you've got no targets. NBSI makes life easier and harder - you get a lot of enemies... With NRDS you get the problem of neutrals sometimes dumping a load of lead into your ship, but on the other hand - training an alt that can really fight takes time and one hostile action - you, your corp and your alliance will be marked red and you'll never again see the differance from nrds and nbsi except that you can have scouts scattered along the systems. I'm a nrds fan. Makes the systems really live and makes you never step down, you'r always on the watch for hostiles (and neuts). Never stop beeing careful.
Forge Lag Jita Lag Preservation Fund	Posted - 2010.01.03 22:51:00 - [13] I really wish there was more NRDS space. I kinda liked old GW. You eventually got shot at - as can one expect from those barbarian minmatars - but you were not gate camped, station camped or hunted down by a fleet of people. Just some friendly nudges to not go asleep and maybe a few shots if you were not showing proper respect as a guest - the local ship builders have to make a living too after all. The CVA way may not be possible for everyone but keeping your fleets for worthy targets should not be that hard. "Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
Arimus Darkhart Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.01.03 22:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Benco97 Personally I'm sick and tired of NBSI, far FAR too many people use it as an excuse for piracy and then claim to be the good guys. We've tried both ways - NRDS works fine providing BOTH parties are NRDS - NBSI at the end of the day is an easier call and can't be exploited - when you sit on a gate camp as nrds and a neut jumps in then you don't fire on him; only problem is he's a scout/alt for the reds who pile in behind him. But I take your point... I'm personally not a pirate nor these days anti-pirate; what I am is someone who values his own ass above politics :) So for me... NBSI works out alot easier. -- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies.
Reality Renegade	Posted - 2010.01.04 03:08:00 - [15] NRDS ~ Optimistic NBSI ~ Pessimistic Half-full, etc...
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.01.04 04:48:00 - [16] Hi, I started a venture out into 0.0 and found that NRDS is the best way to go, It makes things easier in the game because not everyone wants to shoot you, so is it really fair to shoot them? I've called our 0.0 System Hub Zero and have spent years building a safe haven for normal hi sec people to come down, we got an ok defence force, and lots of stuff on the market. we live as a community and welcome any reasonable player that wants to come and chill there. NRDS is simple, you wait for people to show aggresion towards you, then you set them to red, once they are set to red the whole alliance/corp is free to attack them. With NBSI all your doing is potentially creating more and more enemies on a daily basis, as you are asking no questions and destroying their ships immiedietly. Its difficult to say if what you do in game determines what kind of person you are. I'd say NBSI folks have selfish tendencies, not that there's anything seriously wrong with being selfish most people are anyway. NBSI is a somewhat selfish act because its done out of boredom, and somtimes out of spite. Generally Eve Online is an experience that can make you happy and it can stress you a bit aswell, most NBSI folks will say "its only a game" Shako, NRDS is the bast way to go if your a cool person.
Genya Arikaido	Posted - 2010.01.04 06:18:00 - [17] 7 years in EVE, and I've stood on NBSI. EVE's greatest commodity is trust. If you trust someone enough to let them go...expect to be stabbed in the back when they call in their 10 man recon fleet they're scouting for,
cal nereus Cal Temp Agency	Posted - 2010.01.04 06:25:00 - [18] Edited by: cal nereus on 04/01/2010 06:25:42 There are corporations that use both NBSI and NRDS. NBSI at home or in all of 0.0 (the easiest policy for defending space) and NRDS everywhere else (except against pirates). --- Earning Isk Basic Skills
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.04 06:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Benco97 Personally I'm sick and tired of NBSI, far FAR too many people use it as an excuse for piracy and then claim to be the good guys. Who claims that, exactly? Come to that, when did piracy need an excuse? Remember, it's not a crime if the government does it, and we have the sovereignty to prove it!
randomname4me	Posted - 2010.01.04 07:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Dianna Soreil NRDS is stupid unless you're CVA or something Wait, theres a difference between CVA and stupid? When did they put that in? On the other hand everyone has there own opinion and you can feel free to disagree with my sig. EVE Online: Rated RRR- For Explicit Breakfast Piercing Bullets.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound	Posted - 2010.01.04 09:07:00 - [21] I've lived by NRDS in NBSI alliances. Yeah, I'm that hardcore.... I love NRDS, but I'm just really really weird that way. Its harder on some levels, but on others its easier. At the end of the day, its up to you whether you trust your diplo or not. --Isaac Signature is now under construction: check back in a couple weeks. Or months.... AMAAR VICTOR! "You just can't fix stupid"
Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2010.01.04 09:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Culmen Off the top of my head I can only name CVA as having an NRDS policy. I've also heard they have a major pirate infestation. I get the sense that those two facts are related somehow.... Ushra'Khan is NRDS in their own space afaik. Originally by: randomname4me Originally by: Dianna Soreil NRDS is stupid unless you're CVA or something Wait, theres a difference between CVA and stupid? When did they put that in? Is there a reason for the CVA bashing, or are you just hopping on the bandwagon? I see CVA as a win-win. Newbs get a "safer" 0.0 access, and pirates gets PLENTY of targets. I don't see what's wrong with that. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard
Yarinor Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.04 10:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Culmen Off the top of my head I can only name CVA as having an NRDS policy. I've also heard they have a major pirate infestation. I get the sense that those two facts are related somehow.... Ushra'Khan is NRDS in their own space afaik. Originally by: randomname4me Originally by: Dianna Soreil NRDS is stupid unless you're CVA or something Wait, theres a difference between CVA and stupid? When did they put that in? Is there a reason for the CVA bashing, or are you just hopping on the bandwagon? I see CVA as a win-win. Newbs get a "safer" 0.0 access, and pirates gets PLENTY of targets. I don't see what's wrong with that. More like win-win-win, CVA also get filthy rich.
Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2010.01.04 11:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Yarinor More like win-win-win, CVA also get filthy rich. This sounds like very unfounded rumormongering. I ask that you reveal your proof of this and tell how they amass this glorious fortune, or I shall be forced to debunk your claim. In short: proof or STFU. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard
Lord Windu Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.04 11:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Yarinor More like win-win-win, CVA also get filthy rich. This sounds like very unfounded rumormongering. I ask that you reveal your proof of this and tell how they amass this glorious fortune, or I shall be forced to debunk your claim. In short: proof or STFU. Docking fees, refinery tax and factory slot fees. I don't know how much they make from these fees but I would think they are a large input into CVA's wealth, and to the wealth of other Providence Holders. And yes they have a large amount of expenditure with maintaining POS's and what not, but I would think they have people in the alliance who can turn the isk and materials earned into an even bigger income through investments, trade e.t.c. ------
Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2010.01.04 11:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Lord Windu Docking fees, refinery tax and factory slot fees. I don't know how much they make from these fees but I would think they are a large input into CVA's wealth, and to the wealth of other Providence Holders. And yes they have a large amount of expenditure with maintaining POS's and what not, but I would think they have people in the alliance who can turn the isk and materials earned into an even bigger income through investments, trade e.t.c. And those outposts and millions of POSes are free of course. As for the other kinds of "making ISK"...it doesn't separate them from any other alliance, so aI a ask again, where's your proof of their "riches"? Hell, even the Dominion system upgrades are more or less useless to them, since the "pets" living in their space are the ones benefiting from them, while CVA have to cough up the ISK for them. Fact: CVA doesn't make money off the people in their system. They cost them money. (and no, I CBA to dig up the quote, so feel free to proof or STFU me). It was in the Dominion discussion thread prior to the patch, where a CVA director laid out their economics fairly well and asked for CCP to help alliances profit from having people in their space, since all it would do is cost them money. Which it now does. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.04 11:58:00 - [27] NRDS is fun and rewarding. It's all about Empire building and a large community (the 'Proviblob' must be legendary by now). I wouldn't want to be a diplomat or KOS admin though :P -----
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.04 13:29:00 - [28] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 04/01/2010 13:34:34 Originally by: Tharrn NRDS is fun and rewarding. It's all about Empire building and a large community (the 'Proviblob' must be legendary by now). I wouldn't want to be a diplomat or KOS admin though :P I luv you guys . I wish Eve had more of you guys around. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.04 13:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Shako Knight I recognize that in the end much of this is simply a personal choice and these are the fundamental questions each individual player must answer on their own as they choose their life (and corps) in Eve. Pretty much this. They're both fine choices, I guess. IMO, the only "wrong" choice you can make is to play the game according to someone else's idea of what is "right" - a concept second only in futility to trying to make them play according to what you think is right. You will never be ruthless enough to please the hardcore pirates, and you will never be altruistic enough to please the fanatical 'bears. The very best you can ever hope to accomplish is to satisfy your own conceptions of moral & ethical success.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.04 13:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Zeba NBSI is really the only realistic way to police nullsec as it is far too easy to make alts and have them spy. Besides there are no standing hits in nullsec for fighting and podding so there is no 'pirate' element. You are simply defending your turf. The pirate element is entierly not dependant on sec hits. At all. 'Pirate' is a way of life more then anything, and has no real borders or such. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

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