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Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Havohej on 06/01/2010 16:17:06 The last time Du'uma Fiisi came to the IGS with an official press release, it was to announce a reward offer for the termination of so-called "salvation crusade" religious insurrectionists. This offer was condemned by many among the capsuleer community, as was to be expected. Among its target audience, the planetbound Minmatars of the Republic, it received lukewarm response and resulted in the payment of only one verifiable claim. After much deliberation, in which insights gained from a conversation with Aria Jenneth played no small part, Du'uma Fiisi decided that it would no longer seek to meddle in the affairs of the Minmatar civilians whose lives we ultimately seek to safeguard and improve because, as Miss Jenneth pointed out, being disconnected as we are from what it is to be one of them our efforts to improve their circumstances directly are largely doomed to fail. So as a corporation we decided to focus our efforts against the Amarrians through our service as a capsuleer corporation enlisted in the Tribal Liberation Force and after a few months as a part of the Star Fraction. In both of these organizations, Du'uma Fiisi strove to do all it could against the 24th Imperial Crusade and the advances it was making in Heimatar and Metropolis, from chasing off pilots capturing tactical sites to engaging superior 24IC fleets so that TLF forces could capture sites elsewhere. Through it all, there was a lingering feeling that we could be doing something more meaningful even than destroying Amarrian shipping. That there must be another way to really get their attention. Recently, the IGS has seen a bit of stir surrounding the release of tens of thousands of slaves. If not for the names of certain infamous capsuleers being involved, the cluster would likely never hear about these isolated events, nor care. After all, while they're very important to us Minmatars, what are the lives of 38,000 Minmatar slaves to the Empire and its people? What are the fates of 10,000 Intakis (liberated by Daedalus X's Cadirro and carried safely to the Department of Health and Human Services on Intaki V by a pair of DF1AS Mammoths this past weekend) to the State or the Federation? The State didn't bat an eye at their predicament and the Federation had only a single interested capsuleer step forward of her own volition to try and help those people. No... it's clear that nobody cares about slaves in the New Eden star cluster unless it hits very close to home. At approximately 13:32h on 112.01.05, Lantorn was recaptured by the TLF. This marked the complete expulsion of 24IC occupying forces from Tribal Space. Less than six hours later, Du'uma Fiisi received a very special delivery from associates in the Angel Cartel: one thousand adult Amarrian slaves imported from Curse. These men and women were not sentenced to slavery for crimes or debts in the Amarr Empire. These men and women were "innocent" citizens of the Empire and Khanid Kingdom, captured illegally in raids by outlaw slavers to eventually find their way through the underground slave trade to the depths of nullsec space and finally into our hands. I promise you, this is not where they want to be. Du'uma Fiisi is willing to bet that as we provide videographic proof of our possession of these people and the humaneness of their accommodations throughout the rest of this week, at least a few of these people will be recognized by their kin back home. We expect that our announcement will close hundreds of missing persons cases being investigated by Imperial peacekeepers. Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics is not in the business of holding slaves. We will not have these people in our custody for very long. How we get rid of them is up to the Amarrians. Cont'd
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:18:00 - [2] Du'uma Fiisi will hold these people for no more than 1005 days. During this time, they will receive adequate food and clothing, reasonable privacy and proper medical care aboard a Maelstrom-class battleship. Beginning Monday 112.01.11, we will begin executing one Amarrian slave each day. Every day we will seek to do so in a manner more creative and painful than the last, including the use of torture devices inspired by those used by the Empire's Ministry of Internal Order for their so-called interrogations. But we don't want to kill these people. We'd rather be rid of these Amarrian slaves by another means. To that end, we are offering the following terms for the release of our Amarrians: For every 1,000 (one thousand) Minmatar slaves released into our custody to be carried to the Reception Centers in Rens, we will release 1 (one) Amarrian slave. You like saying that Minmatar lives are worth less than Amarrian lives... prove it. If you or someone you represent is an Amarrian slaveholder with at least one thousand Minmatars in your custody, you may contact us directly through the NeoCom or make a post in the Diplomacy section of our corporate portal. We are going to wait five days before commencing with these executions in order to give Amarrian interests such as the Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine or the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves to offer their assistance in seeing to the transportation and disposition of persons released on both sides. We recognize that whether we like it or not there are Minmatar slaves in the Empire who have been so thoroughly brainwashed by the slavers' religious infrastructure that they will genuinely desire to remain in the Empire. To demonstrate that we are not the unreasonable, zealous rabble that our detractors would make us out to be, rather than executing these people for their own good so that they cannot spread the cancer of the slaver's faith to innocent Minmatars in the Republic, we are prepared to give these individuals into the care of the Order of Saint Katherine should SHOSK be willing and able to see to their needs. So this time, rather than meddle with our planetbound kin or commit a questionable act while under the banner of the Republic's TLF, we will treat directly with the Imperials, independant and under our own banner. Come Monday, we will be leaving the fates of these people in the hands of their Amarrian kin. Will we see the liberation of one million Minmatars in return for the lives of one thousand Amarrians, or will we be forced to exterminate these Amarrian slaves one by one? Du'uma Fiisi is optimistic. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:26:00 - [3] One more entity or capsuleer using this. * rolls eyes * Cut the theme short and just kill them all. If I knew that giving a gift of livestocks to my lover would cause IGS frenzy, that's exactly what I would have done. People need better things to do nowadays and the universe doesn't revolve around slavery theme. How anti-climatic. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Revan Neferis just kill them all While it's a distinct possibility, we will do so our way. Imagine the depths of horror the last few would experience, listening to their brethrens' cries for nearly three years before their turn finally comes. I believe that would be worse than the dying itself... Which is part of the point, you see. Perhaps that puppeteer will make a show of it. In the meantime, DF1AS looks forward to hearing from SHOSK and the SPCS between now and Monday. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Kristof Krex	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Kristof Krex on 06/01/2010 16:35:30 Originally by: Revan Neferis People need better things to do nowadays and the universe doesn't revolve around slavery theme. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Yes, yes, we're all well aware that in your opinion the universe revolves around the Revan Neferis theme...
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:39:00 - [6] I would have expected you to take the high road and give the amarians theire freedom. I am surprized by this bizzare and morbid "negotiation", unless I am missing something here??
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.06 16:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Revan Neferis just kill them all While it's a distinct possibility, we will do so our way. Imagine the depths of horror the last few would experience, listening to their brethrens' cries for nearly three years before their turn finally comes. I believe that would be worse than the dying itself... Which is part of the point, you see. Perhaps that puppeteer will make a show of it. In the meantime, DF1AS looks forward to hearing from SHOSK and the SPCS between now and Monday. Now you put things in a better perspective. Let's see if anything interesting comes from it. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Molien Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:05:00 - [8] 1) We don't negotiate with Terrorists. 2) Our people are fully willing to be sacrificed for their beliefs. Killing them will, indeed, only bolster the resolve of the rest of the Empire, making these few martyrs. This is one of the major failings (aside form the hypocrisy) with this plan. We believe in something bigger than ourselves. We also believe in something after death, such that death does not hold the fear and horror for the faithful, unlike it does for the lost. While the loss of any life is a tragedy, their souls are already saved, and should you kill them you will only cement their place within the Lord's Kingdom. However, if we were to acquiesce to your ridiculous demands, we'd risk condemning the souls of the released slaves, as well as the souls of any descendants they may have in the future. As you can see, even from your narrow view, such a deal is not something the faithful would entertain. Kill them, if that's your will, and make them martyrs. Show your own people that we are right about your savagery and lack of morals.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:07:00 - [9] I have a feeling that for every 1 Amarrian you kill. 10000 or more minmatar slaves will die. Just feeling. Oh, and dont get me wrong, its not me. But I know some individuals that will react in this manner should you continue with this threat.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Molien We also believe in something after death We will see if these thousand still believe after a week in our care. A month. Originally by: Invelious I have a feeling that for every 1 Amarrian you kill. 10000 or more minmatar slaves will die. Just feeling. Oh, and dont get me wrong, its not me. But I know some individuals that will react in this manner should you continue with this threat. Responding to areasonable offer with atrocity will only serve to gain us support. To many Minmatars, especially those who have been enslaved themselves, if one cannot have freedom then death is preferable. As it is, despite their rarity and the time it took to acquire them, these Amarrians were relatively inexpensive. We are prepared to see an escalation. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Molien We also believe in something after death We will see if these thousand still believe after a week in our care. A month. Originally by: Invelious I have a feeling that for every 1 Amarrian you kill. 10000 or more minmatar slaves will die. Just feeling. Oh, and dont get me wrong, its not me. But I know some individuals that will react in this manner should you continue with this threat. Responding to areasonable offer with atrocity will only serve to gain us support. To many Minmatars, especially those who have been enslaved themselves, if one cannot have freedom then death is preferable. As it is, despite their rarity and the time it took to acquire them, these Amarrians were relatively inexpensive. We are prepared to see an escalation. Again, I was just saying, I wont be the one commiting the atrocity. But, there are some sick people out there, so just be prepared to watch tens of thousands of minmatar die when you go through with this. You stated that these Amarrians are supposed to be worth more than the minmatar, hence the 1000 slaves for 1 amarrian. Well, the alternative of showing that worth would be equal to killing more than 10000 slaves.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:30:00 - [12] Funny, you speak of the act of killing the slaves as a atrocity, which it is, even if it was just one slave dying. Yet in turn you are effectively commiting the same act in a reversed role. The logical and humanitarian way would be to release the Amarrians in good will. Go to our open slave market and buy your minmatar back to freedom.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Invelious Funny, you speak of the act of killing the slaves as a atrocity, which it is, even if it was just one slave dying. Yet in turn you are effectively commiting the same act in a reversed role. The logical and humanitarian way would be to release the Amarrians in good will. Go to our open slave market and buy your minmatar back to freedom. You speaking words of some reason, minmatars now committing terrorism, CVA attacking a tower with 38.000 slaves in, myself releasing 100.000 ... I think there is something very wrong with this current universe. I have bad feelings about this. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:36:00 - [14] This is extortion, pure and simple.
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:45:00 - [15] And here I thought its common knowledge how in vain any threats directed at Amarr's honor and morals are... But wait, it is common knowledge - are you sure this isn't just an act of revenge, with no hopes in freeing any Matari in the first place? Slowly, I begin to understand why you didn't approve of the Star Fraction's policies - NRDS pretty much eliminates innocent neutral hostages, doesn't it? --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube!
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Invelious The logical and humanitarian way would be to release the Amarrians in good will. Go to our open slave market and buy your minmatar back to freedom. It's bad enough we had to feed ISK into the underground slave trade to make this offer possible, there's no way in all the nine hells we're going to feed ISK into the Empire's own slave trade. The logical and humanitarian way would have been for the Empire to respond to Midular's countless pleas to let our people go peacefully and without further bloodshed. We saw how well that worked out for her... Originally by: Cadirro Slowly, I begin to understand why you didn't approve of the Star Fraction's policies - NRDS pretty much eliminates innocent neutral hostages, doesn't it? We approved of the Star Fraction's policies as an alliance. You know why we left, and this thread has nothing to do with it. As to our "hostages," as you put it, they are anything but neutral. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Gottii Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.06 17:58:00 - [17] The Matar where not meant to live as slaves. Nor where they meant to exist as human playing pieces in a game of homicidal brinkmanship. The spirits and ancestors will not favor this. We will gain nothing by trying to "out-evil" the Amarrian Empire. They are far too good at it. Its gotten to the point that when I hear "Aria Jenneth shared with me her insight" I brace myself for some kind of pyschopathic behavior...
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:01:00 - [18] So, Havohej, what you basically said there is that your isk is worth more than the minmatar? Is this correct?
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Havohej on 06/01/2010 18:03:34 Originally by: Gottii Its gotten to the point that when I hear "Aria Jenneth shared with me her insight" I brace myself for some kind of pyschopathic behavior... Don't knock it... she's the one who got me to stop pushing our reward offer for the deaths of civilian Minmatars following in the slave-preacher Jarek's footsteps, after all. Originally by: Invelious So, Havohej, what you basically said there is that your isk is worth more than the minmatar? Is this correct? I said I'm not going to give our ISK to the Empire's slave industry. That basically means I am not going to pay for the food, housing, transportation and exhibition of Minmatar slaves in Amarrian slave markets and breeding pens. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Cadirro Slowly, I begin to understand why you didn't approve of the Star Fraction's policies - NRDS pretty much eliminates innocent neutral hostages, doesn't it? We approved of the Star Fraction's policies as an alliance. You know why we left, and this thread has nothing to do with it. As to our "hostages," as you put it, they are anything but neutral. "These men and women were "innocent" citizens of the Empire and Khanid Kingdom" By the rules of The Star Fraction, this seems pretty neutral to me. And as much as I value your help with freeing eleven thousand just as innocent people, I can not and will not approve of this. I doubt however that you care. --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Havohej Edited by: Havohej on 06/01/2010 18:03:34 Originally by: Gottii Its gotten to the point that when I hear "Aria Jenneth shared with me her insight" I brace myself for some kind of pyschopathic behavior... Don't knock it... she's the one who got me to stop pushing our reward offer for the deaths of civilian Minmatars following in the slave-preacher Jarek's footsteps, after all. Originally by: Invelious So, Havohej, what you basically said there is that your isk is worth more than the minmatar? Is this correct? I said I'm not going to give our ISK to the Empire's slave industry. That basically means I am not going to pay for the food, housing, transportation and exhibition of Minmatar slaves in Amarrian slave markets and breeding pens. Yes, but buying the slaves is the only 100% way of insuring no one dies in the process, be it minmatar or amarr. Its only logical. Its win win also, you get your freed slaves, Amarr gets isk. All good.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Cadirro Originally by: Havohej "These men and women were "innocent" citizens of the Empire and Khanid Kingdom" By the rules of The Star Fraction, this seems pretty neutral to me. You'll note that I placed the word innocent in quotation marks. That was meant to highlight the dubiousness of its use in that context. It is Du'uma Fiisi's position that no Amarrian loyal to the Empire is innocent. Originally by: Invelious Its win win also, you get your freed slaves, Amarr gets isk. All good. Bolded emphasis mine. You're a (mostly) reasonable man, Invelious. You'll understand if we don't see it that way. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Lord Arshavir Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Mazca Lopez I would have expected you to take the high road and give the amarians theire freedom. I am surprized by this bizzare and morbid "negotiation", unless I am missing something here?? Of course you are, being unenlightened. You are missing the innate savagery and backwardness which God led us to the Matari in order to eliminate all those years ago. They are simple people, so naturally when left without a guiding hand, mortal or Divine as the case may be, they regress back to the tribal barbarism which spawned them. Raised in a system founded by those who would reject enlightenment and progress, a system groaning under your own people's corrupt and Godless influence, a system which teaches hatred above reflection, disgust above reason, and that no Amarrian death can be wrong, you cannot blame them I suppose. Martyr our brothers then, send them to God so he may love them eternally, perhaps then the cluster will see you for what you are; a race of children, stumbling through the darkness. _____________________________________________ Of Riches and Slaves - Adventures of an Amarrian Noble
Subject 003IX Amarr House Karris-in-Exile	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:12:00 - [24] You are not a man. You are a beast. Not by birth, because we are all born innocent. We are all born out of some semblance of love. Rare is the birth that is accompanied by violence and death, but then, only we who live and die in the Void experience this on a regular basis. Perhaps that is where Miss Jenneth's "Dementia" is born. In our rebirth, a birth caused by the inevitable ramifications of violence in the Void. We are all born free of taint though, that first time. It is our lives that define us. No, you are not a beast by your birth, but you are a beast by your actions, your decisions. We all make of ourselves what we are. That is the lesson Miss Jenneth fails to learn. Sadly, those Amarr souls you possess mean even less to those with the power to change their circumstances than you give them credit for. This Crusade you yourself are on, it is a beautiful thing to watch. I wonder, how many beasts will you create? How many will turn their eyes back upon the Tribes when they are returned to their people? I was a beast once. Turned feral and rabid by the threat of death. It is an interesting thing when you are forced to deal with your own death, to face it, to overcome it. It is an even greater pain, however, to want revenge and have it denied. You will live as an eternal reminder of this; you are undying, you are immortal, and you are a beast. Teach these Amarr the lesson they need, young one. Teach them the meaning and worth of their lives, better than any Sovereign could.
Aurelius Clemens Amarr Nordir Imperial Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Revan Neferis just kill them all While it's a distinct possibility, we will do so our way. Imagine the depths of horror the last few would experience, listening to their brethrens' cries for nearly three years before their turn finally comes. I believe that would be worse than the dying itself... Which is part of the point, you see. Perhaps that puppeteer will make a show of it. In the meantime, DF1AS looks forward to hearing from SHOSK and the SPCS between now and Monday. Thank you for proving you're nothing but godless pathetic subhuman scum. The people you hold are the God's chosen, if the Lord sees it fit for them to leave this universe, so be it. I will not risk the spiritual salvation of a million matari slaves for the possible physical rescue of a thousand faithful souls that long to be reunited with their Creator. Send the faithful on their merry way to eternal bliss. You'd be doing the same thing we're doing to Minmatar slaves - reclaiming creation for the eternal glory of God. Go on, prove us right. --------------------------- Amarr Victor!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Aurelius Clemens Send the faithful on their merry way to eternal bliss. Make sure they carry a copy of Pax Amarr with them, just to alleviate the burdens of such journey to heaven. I've heard it's a tiresome one. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Cer'ana Minmatar Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:58:00 - [27] The Convent has been in contact with Havohej, and some agreements have been made. We will provide transportation for any slaves that people wish to have take part in the exchange. We've also agreed to accept the return of any people who truly wish to stay back into the Empire should DFIAS find any such people amongst the ranks of the transported slaves. If an SPCS representative can contact us for coordination, it'd be appreciated.
Aurelius Clemens Amarr Nordir Imperial Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.06 20:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Aurelius Clemens on 06/01/2010 20:54:51 I will personally have ten slaves who have accepted the salvation of the Lord our God put down for every unsaved soul handed over to these pathetic savages. You're not the only ones who can count. Barter with God's children in this manner, and ten million faithful minmatar servants of the Lord will be reunited with their creator. This is a heavy burden to carry, but Nordir Imperial Holdings has agreed to carry full financial responsibility for this undertaking. I will not allow God's creation to be mocked in this manner. --------------------------- Amarr Victor!
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.06 20:56:00 - [29] I. Martyrs "For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord He shall be taken into the arms of God And forever consecrated will he be" Amarr Askura 2:3 "Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" Book of Missions 42:5 Scripture says if these 1000 men and women die, they will be consecrated, which is generally regarded as a Good Thing, amongst theological thinkers. II. Sacrifice "Zakara saw the danger to his brother, and did not hesitate; without weapon or armor, he hurled himself at the beast, attacking with his bare hands. Enraged, the beast turned and struck Zakara, opening a terrible wound in his side. Seizing the moment, Garum ran his sword through the beast's heart, thus ending the battle victorious. But Zakara, mortally wounded, cried out in pain. You sacrificed yourself for me,' Garum said, taking his hand. "We are brothers,' Zakara answered, just before breathing his last. 'And in God we shall remain brothers for all of time." Saint Junip 10:25 If the 1000 die, such that 1,000,000 continue to be instructed in the Word, then it is an act of Self-Sacrifice and Love. Conversely, if the 1,000,000 willingly give up the chance of Salvation for themselves and their descendents, to save the lives of the 1000 and their descendents, it is also an act of Self-Sacrifice and Love. III. A Conundrum "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" Book of Missions 13:21 What is the True Path here? What is the Sin? IV. Atrocity A greater thinker than I wrote: "Atrocity is recognised as such by victim and perpetrator alike, by all who learn about it at whatever remove. Atrocity has no excuses, no mitigating argument. Atrocity never balances or rectifies the past. Atrocity merely arms the future for more atrocity. It is self-perpetuating upon itself - a barbarous form of incest. Whoever commits atrocity also commits those future atrocities thus bred." We have seen this atrocity incest appear already, in the form of Invelious's words warning of reprisals, which in turn would steel the resolve of the opposition. V. Logistics Shifting 1,000,000 people would be a rather demanding endeavour. Ships, pilots for those ships, pick up points, drop off points. Such is the way of things. VI. The Decision Saint Ageroth said: "Happiness is measured not by what you hold in your hand, but in your heart" Therefore, what good is wealth? What use is a golden palace? Does it bring happiness? So, I choose to attempt to break the incest of atrocity. Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!
Magnus Nordir Caldari Nordir Industries	Posted - 2010.01.06 21:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Aurelius Clemens Nordir Imperial Holdings has agreed to carry full financial responsibility for this undertaking. I will not allow God's creation to be mocked in this manner. Confirming that the parent company of Nordir Imperial Holdings has approved this high-risk investment. Based on the initial market reactions, our estimates show that less than 1% of the mentioned total (one million livestock) are likely to be contracted to Du'uma Fiisi. The remaining livestock acquired will be used in NIHOL's current ventures, slave labour and livestock market speculation. I would hereby like to thank the Du'uma Fiisi corporation for this excellent and productive contribution to the Amarr livestock market. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost
Mizhara Del'thul	Posted - 2010.01.06 21:18:00 - [31] Node activation complete. ... Asteroid Mine PH-3974 Galnet feed re-established. ... Last video uplink: 1y62d13h ago. ... Feed... ... commencing. Miz is seen pacing in what seems to be an old control room, mostly gutted and in disuse. She stops and looks straight towards the camera, muttering about 'old piece of crap' and other invectives. This... is interesting. The Imperial s***have so far failed to respond to diplomacy, reason and... eheheheh.... 'humanity'. And yet, the rest of the galaxy sits on their behinds, twiddling their thumbs. The various factions seem content leaving the matter up to a Concord sanctioned rabble of mismatched goons and thugs, calling their efforts a 'militia', largely keeping the status quo while costing billions of ISK in pointless battles that achieve... nothing. She paces around a little, her hands and fingers flexing restlessly, before spinning back to the camera.* And now... someone's taken a step further. Far enough? That remains to be seen... but a step in the right direction, certainly. What is needed now, however, is a show of conviction. A show of... determination... These Amarrians who have found themselves to be slaves, against all law and order... Need to learn what slavery means to free people. Break them, Havohej. Break every single one of them. Have them renounce their false God at the top of their lungs as they finally turn into pathetic quivering ruins of men. Should your demands not be met, these people should die willingly by your hand, as they finally know and understand what slavery means. I might seek you out, Havohej... There may be possibilities of... cooperation. You have the will and the fortitude needed to do what is needed when the pathetic masses huddling together planetside moan and whine about law and understanding. You have the means to strike where these pathetic officials won't. Yes.... Let us show these... eeheheh... "subhuman" Amarr what terror feels like. It is time their decades and centuries of it is returned to them with interest. She is looking straight into the camera as the control board next to it starts throwing a few sparks. The feed stutters and catches itself, then cuts off abruptly as she is heard laughing coldly. Node activation... failed. ... Asteroid Mine PH-3974 Galnet feed disconnected. Electronic failure suspected. ... Last video uplink: 0y0d0h ago. ... Feed... ... cut off.
Paasio Hisokanen Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.06 21:28:00 - [32] I would like to take this opportunity to appeal to the humanity that the Minmatar often claim to be a part of. Although I, and many more, may not recognise you as being worthy of life or being considered a human being, I would politely like to ask you to stop this uncontrolled livestock market manipulation. For some smaller systems, one million livestock is a big number, and removing it from the market with no compensation offsets the balance of the Amarrian economy. In the event that an Amarrian follows your demand, this will cause the investments of many Caldari in the Amarr market to lower in returns considerably. To the Amarrians, I would like to remind you that good diplomatic relationships between the State and your empire depend on good business relationships between us and your market. Should the removal of one million livestock offset those relationships considerably, this could mean significant diplomatic conflict as well. I urge you to choose wisely. As some of you have already pointed out, your religion essentially absolves you from having to save your fellow men from prolonged torturous death, so I implore you not to follow through with Du'uma Fiisi corporation's demands.
Ker Karraje Minmatar Black Heart Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.06 23:10:00 - [33] Hmmm. I don't think negotiating with the Amarr is the way to go, bro. As much as I hate to think of our cousins in slavery, I think the best way to fight slavery is through the sudden and rapid application of ammunition to the hulls of Amarr ships. At any rate, If you'd like a hand helping the martyrs you're holding meet with their almighty, I've picked up some "creative" methods I'd be willing to pass along.
Lord Maximullis Amarr Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.06 23:19:00 - [34] Marius chuckles softly Good job Havo, good job..
Feyona R.E.C.O.N. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.01.07 00:45:00 - [35] Bravo. Encore?
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:43:00 - [36] Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 07/01/2010 01:43:29 This is monstrous. I've already done it in private, but I shall do it here as well: I implore - no, I beg you to stop this. -----
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:45:00 - [37] Havohej, you have stirred up some serious business here.
Omnicide Incarnate Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Node activation complete. ... Asteroid Mine PH-3974 Galnet feed re-established. ... Last video uplink: 1y62d13h ago. ... Feed... ... commencing. Miz is seen pacing in what seems to be an old control room, mostly gutted and in disuse. She stops and looks straight towards the camera, muttering about 'old piece of crap' and other invectives. This... is interesting. The Imperial s***have so far failed to respond to diplomacy, reason and... eheheheh.... 'humanity'. And yet, the rest of the galaxy sits on their behinds, twiddling their thumbs. The various factions seem content leaving the matter up to a Concord sanctioned rabble of mismatched goons and thugs, calling their efforts a 'militia', largely keeping the status quo while costing billions of ISK in pointless battles that achieve... nothing. She paces around a little, her hands and fingers flexing restlessly, before spinning back to the camera.* And now... someone's taken a step further. Far enough? That remains to be seen... but a step in the right direction, certainly. What is needed now, however, is a show of conviction. A show of... determination... These Amarrians who have found themselves to be slaves, against all law and order... Need to learn what slavery means to free people. Break them, Havohej. Break every single one of them. Have them renounce their false God at the top of their lungs as they finally turn into pathetic quivering ruins of men. Should your demands not be met, these people should die willingly by your hand, as they finally know and understand what slavery means. I might seek you out, Havohej... There may be possibilities of... cooperation. You have the will and the fortitude needed to do what is needed when the pathetic masses huddling together planetside moan and whine about law and understanding. You have the means to strike where these pathetic officials won't. Yes.... Let us show these... eeheheh... "subhuman" Amarr what terror feels like. It is time their decades and centuries of it is returned to them with interest. She is looking straight into the camera as the control board next to it starts throwing a few sparks. The feed stutters and catches itself, then cuts off abruptly as she is heard laughing coldly. Node activation... failed. ... Asteroid Mine PH-3974 Galnet feed disconnected. Electronic failure suspected. ... Last video uplink: 0y0d0h ago. ... Feed... ... cut off. I always find it amusing when someone speaks of "breaking" an Amarrian... Please realize that if these truly are Amarrian slaves they are slaves for a reason, they or their ancestors strayed from the path in such a way that their enslavement was a neccesary step to ensure their return to God's graces. If these slaves are truly Amarrian in both blood and belief then they will never "break". Pain is fleeting... even Faith can be fleeting, Fear however, Terror, is irrelevant and does not exist to an Amarr believer; what can a follower of the Amarrian faith possibly fear from anyone here? There is only one living being worthy of fear, and that is the Empress who was chosen by god, she is the only one who can cause an Amarrian fear because only she can voice God's disapproval and that is the ONLY thing a true Amarrian would fear, not the whip, not hunger, thirst or even death, all of those are merely milestones along one's path.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.07 04:19:00 - [39] A clarifying note has been added to the explanation in the beginning of the thread: To clarify: If 1000 Minmatars are released into our care on Monday, then on Monday we release an Amarrian slave and nobody dies. If 5000 Minmatars are released into our care on Monday, then on Monday we release five Amarrian slaves and nobody dies for five days. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Jakiin	Posted - 2010.01.07 05:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Jakiin on 07/01/2010 05:16:03 How very typical of Havohej's thinking: "Bullets will solve the problem! Bullets always solve the problem! And if you're not around bullets, you have no idea how to solve a problem!" For once, the academic encourages the warrior. Go ahead and kill them, Havohej. Torture them. Make them watch as the women are ***d, the children slaughtered, the pregnant to have their unborn ripped from their bellies and thrown on the floor. Break them, Havohej. Break them and know that you are doing the Lord's work. For every blade that cuts a Believer's flesh is a test. Every heathen fist that breaks bone is a test. Every pain, every horror, every terrible thing that you can undoubtedly think of will exclaim that there is no God, that the Faith is a lie, that we are wrong and you are correct. Those worthy of Paradise shall believe not a word. Those worthy of Paradise will think only of Him, only of His Grace and his Power, in His great Love for them and His terrible Wrath which awaits you and yours at death. Those who are impure will falter, they will cry for death at the end and renounce the Faith. And they will look to the Lord at the end with great shame in thei hearts, and the Heavens will be cleaner that they never stepped foot in it. I pray you will find great success, warrior*. May God guide your hand as your blades seperate the wicked from the pure. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.07 06:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Jakiin Go ahead and kill them, Havohej. Torture them. Make them watch as the women are ***d, the children slaughtered, the pregnant to have their unborn ripped from their bellies and thrown on the floor. We do not rape slaves to prove a point - that is an Amarrian method of torture and so it shall remain. All of the Amarrian slaves we purchased through the Cartel are adults. If any of the females are found to be with child after thorough medical examination, arrangements will be made depending on the advancement of their pregnancies. As soon as our physicians have completed their exams, any relevant* information will be presented here. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.07 06:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Havohej All of the Amarrian slaves we purchased through the Cartel are adults. So these are not criminals, but rather actual Amarr picked up in a pirate raid? I've shot down a fair few pirate slave raiders grabbing Khanid citizens back when i use to run agent work for the Khanid Navy. that does make it more interesting, Amarr victims of slave raids. how...Ironic.
Vikarion Caldari Chorus of Nephilim	Posted - 2010.01.07 06:56:00 - [43] I'm not a fan of either Amarr or Minmatar being tortured. Does the one who donates slaves have to be Amarr? Or could I participate? --- CHORI is recruiting!
Jianni Sotaku Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2010.01.07 07:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Vikarion I'm not a fan of either Amarr or Minmatar being tortured. Does the one who donates slaves have to be Amarr? Or could I participate? Good Question.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.07 07:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Vikarion Does the one who donates slaves have to be Amarr? I'm afraid so. Our logic is as follows: The preference is for Amarrian holders to release their own slaves. Failing that Amarrians can take Amarrian ISK and put it into the Amarrian slave trade - no new wealth is introduced to that dreadful apparatus. On the other hand, if an outsider such as yourself were to inject ISK into the Amarrian slave market, not only would they be gaining the freedom of one of their citizens, they'd also be making a profit. We'd like to avoid that, as I'm sure you can understand. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Gemma Naquist Caldari Kuomi Logistics	Posted - 2010.01.07 07:20:00 - [46] Open channel: slave (slv) n. 1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. 2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon). 3. One who works extremely hard. 4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component. intr.v. slaved, slav+ing, slaves 1. To work very hard or doggedly; toil. 2. To trade in or transport slaves. So. You and the rest of Star Fraction, by definition, are slave owners and slave traders. I'm sure the Republic will love you as much as the Empire does before long. At least the Empire has laws to treat slaves fairly and without undue abuse. Well done sir. Well done. You are commiting the first atrocity of the new galactic year. Should you desire, I offer to take these people off your hands and give them employment in my corporation and housing on Kuomi VI. I will do this free of charge. End Transmission.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.07 07:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Gemma Naquist You and the rest of Star Fraction *The Thukker-Sebiestor clears his throat exaggeratedly. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Atormeleon Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2010.01.07 07:42:00 - [48] I don't approve slave trade in any form, but I find the exchange rate here a bit curious. The Matari are known to perform various practical tasks well and they can use all kinds of weapons. The Amarr are known to be good at citing the scriptures but their lasers for instance are designed to require very little maintenance. So I was just thinking that maybe with a little lower exchange rate one could find a deal more easily.
Vikarion Caldari Chorus of Nephilim	Posted - 2010.01.07 07:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Havohej On the other hand, if an outsider such as yourself were to inject ISK into the Amarrian slave market, not only would they be gaining the freedom of one of their citizens, they'd also be making a profit. We'd like to avoid that, as I'm sure you can understand. I assume you are making a veiled comment on the Haven Project? I do take steps to encourage holders to replace their slaves with technological alternatives. --- CHORI is recruiting!
Gemma Naquist Caldari Kuomi Logistics	Posted - 2010.01.07 08:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Gemma Naquist You and the rest of Star Fraction *The Thukker-Sebiestor clears his throat exaggeratedly. You said, "So as a corporation we decided to focus our efforts against the Amarrians through our service as a capsuleer corporation enlisted in the Tribal Liberation Force and after a few months as a part of the Star Fraction." You did not indicate that you'd formally left it. I see now you did. About a week ago. My apologies for the error and my sincerest congratulations. The offer stands. If you think you're better than they are, prove it. Please. Oh. By the way. Thank you also for further proof that Garst is right. You, as a Star Fraction member, fought in fleets alongside Republic Militia pilots committing acts of aggression against the Empire. Consider your 10-1 heroics against a pilot named Swatty on the 18th of last month in Ammamake. Or did Swatty fire on you and nine other ships first? Did you leave Star Fraction because they were making fun of Republic pilots or did you join in the festivities with them and then left? I digress...
Vincent Death Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development	Posted - 2010.01.07 09:57:00 - [51] You are all going about this the wrong way. Havohej and his organisation have revealed themselves to be animals. Further debate is pointless, you may put forth the most reasoned and rational arguments, you may deliver them with the greatest of orational skills. But an animal will not understand your words and will not be swayed by them, for it lacks the intelligence. There is only one sensible response to be made. You muzzle the animal so that it cannot cause harm or you destroy it, so that it's ability to cause harm is forever removed. I personally favour the definte option, although I am aware that many here are of a more humanitarian bent. Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics shall henceforth be marked as a hostile entity and I shall endeavour to engage their personnel when appropriate. I do not intend this action as a threat, it is merely a statement of fact.
Paasio Hisokanen Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.07 12:13:00 - [52] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Vikarion Does the one who donates slaves have to be Amarr? I'm afraid so. Our logic is as follows: The preference is for Amarrian holders to release their own slaves. Failing that Amarrians can take Amarrian ISK and put it into the Amarrian slave trade - no new wealth is introduced to that dreadful apparatus. On the other hand, if an outsider such as yourself were to inject ISK into the Amarrian slave market, not only would they be gaining the freedom of one of their citizens, they'd also be making a profit. We'd like to avoid that, as I'm sure you can understand. This is ridiculous. You're punishing the Amarr livestock market for your deluded ideology, with no concern to any non-slavers who might have heavy investments in that market. Look, would you be willing to accept a monetary reparation to just kill your Amarrian prisoners? As I said, me and many others have a vested interest in the Amarr livestock market not being destabilised in this manner. I am willing to pay you ten thousand ISK for every Amarrian you kill today, in highly profitable shares of my various Amarrian investments. I assure you the return predictions are very positive. My point is, this doesn't have to destabilise the Amarr livestock market. You obviously have a vested interest in your prisoners dying, and the majority of Amarrians obviously don't mind that. I'm willing to pay you for not accepting the exchange, or, alternatively, sending any slaves you do accept back to the livestock market and killing the prisoners anyway. I trust you will be able to see reason and the profit this opportunity can yield you.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.07 15:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Gemma Naquist I digress... Yes, you do. All I'll say in response to your question is Du'uma Fiisi is not here to fight with "honor." Du'uma Fiisi is here to fight effectively and to win. If Swatyy's friend Jethro in the fully remote rep fit Hyperion wasn't able to keep him alive through an attack by a handful of tech 1 cruisers GCC'd under gate guns, that's nobody's fault but his own for flying a Harbinger with neither scout nor escort. If you'd like to discuss our tactics or those of the Star Fraction, I invite you to start your own thread about it - this thread is about exchanging slaves. Originally by: Paasio Hisokanen This is ridiculous. You're punishing the Amarr livestock market for your deluded ideology, with no concern to any non-slavers who might have heavy investments in that market. If you're a non-slaver who's invested in the slave market, you are also an enemy to our people. Originally by: Paasio Hisokanen Look, would you be willing to accept a monetary reparation to just kill your Amarrian prisoners? No. Originally by: Paasio Hisokanen You obviously have a vested interest in your prisoners dying, and the majority of Amarrians obviously don't mind that. Du'uma Fiisi has a vested interest in seeing Minmatars feed from slavery in the Empire. To that end, we've already been offered the freedom of over 150,000 Minmatars, ~130,000 of those from an Amarrian representing "a consortium of abolitionist inclined subjects in the Mandate and Empire" who, for obvious reasons, wishes to remain anonymous in the context of this matter's publicity. And we haven't even completed physical exams of our Amarrians, yet! I think it is clear that while many of my counterpart capsuleers in the Empire are as ruthless as I am, capsuleers are only a small part of the Empire's population and the planetbound mind very much what happens to the people we are holding. Du'uma Fiisi is pleased that we apparently will not have to make any of these people suffer for some time yet, as this means that at least a few of our people are coming home. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.07 15:59:00 - [54] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/01/2010 16:05:53 Originally by: Gemma Naquist You said, "So as a corporation we decided to focus our efforts against the Amarrians through our service as a capsuleer corporation enlisted in the Tribal Liberation Force and after a few months as a part of the Star Fraction." You did not indicate that you'd formally left it. I see now you did. About a week ago. My apologies for the error and my sincerest congratulations. Something you'd condemn as an atrocity by a corporation as part of Star Fraction is now forgotten and you congratulate the deed now it is done outside of Star Fraction? What a pathetic little hypocrit you are Gemma Naquist. Originally by: Gemma Naquist Oh. By the way. Thank you also for further proof that Garst is right. You, as a Star Fraction member, fought in fleets alongside Republic Militia pilots committing acts of aggression against the Empire. Consider your 10-1 heroics against a pilot named Swatty on the 18th of last month in Ammamake. Or did Swatty fire on you and nine other ships first? Did you leave Star Fraction because they were making fun of Republic pilots or did you join in the festivities with them and then left? Garst is incapable of being right about anything. Gutless, incapable of honest thinking or speech. His only forte is running away. (and and attacking his "allies" towers to steal their blueprints). Yes Swatty's "corporation(s)" did fire first on Star Fraction vessels and was set -10 as a result. Hence he (and his reported and designated out of militia ally hyperion) were deemed free and engageable targets for the Star Fraction. As for making fun of TLF pilots I can see you've been smoking Garst's personal stock of psychodelics and trying to read too much into the various laborious PR failures he subjected us too a month ago. Interesting you seem to care so much about No.Mercy's woes though. Seems to me you are not an entirely disinterested commentator on that score. True Knowledge
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.07 19:12:00 - [55] Edited by: Merdaneth on 07/01/2010 19:12:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/01/2010 16:05:53 Originally by: Gemma Naquist You said, "So as a corporation we decided to focus our efforts against the Amarrians through our service as a capsuleer corporation enlisted in the Tribal Liberation Force and after a few months as a part of the Star Fraction." You did not indicate that you'd formally left it. I see now you did. About a week ago. My apologies for the error and my sincerest congratulations. Something you'd condemn as an atrocity by a corporation as part of Star Fraction is now forgotten and you congratulate the deed now it is done outside of Star Fraction? What a pathetic little hypocrit you are Gemma Naquist. Ms. Constantine, don't you think it would be more likely that ms. Naquist was congratulating mr. Havohej on his leaving Star Fraction rather than with his current scheme? Even if ms. Naquist did mean it in the way you read it, there is still no need to worry: the hypocrisy title is still firmly in the hands of Star Fraction, you are leading the rest of the field by a great distance. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.07 19:22:00 - [56] I believe mr. Havohej, evil and twisted as he is, is actually aiding the Amarr Empire with this scheme. First, he unequivocally makes clear why there is a need to capture and re-educate the more barbaric of the Matari tribesmen. Secondly, he extremist methods are pushing the other so-called freedom fighter organizations towards the Amarr standpoint. At least, the silence of organizations such as Ushra Khan and Electus Matari is telling. Are they silently supporting these kind of acts or silently condemning them but too afraid to make their opinion public? Third, these 'slaves' mr. Havohej captured were in no position to contribute to the Empire, in fact, their existence was aiding the Angel Cartel, an enemy of the Empire. By buying them and trying to abuse them for his own purposes, mr. Havohej has granted them the chance to become martyrs in service of the Empire and be allowed into the Kingdom of God with their heads held high. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.07 19:24:00 - [57] Before this gets too far out of hand, I'm not above reporting off-topic posts to the Summit's moderating staff. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Gemma Naquist Caldari Kuomi Logistics	Posted - 2010.01.08 00:37:00 - [58] Open Channel: Mr. Havohej. My apologies for the tangent that invited yet further complaints against Star Fration. My congratulations on your leaving them was sincere. Of course, your current path will lead you to being cast in the same light. I live two jumps from Kamela and we here feel the shockwaves of the war on a daily basis. So you claim that anyone who supports the institution of slavery is your enemy? Well..the entire galactic economy supports it. Concord, Interbus, the Sisters, they all have treaties with the Empire. They all allow trade with the Empire. So too, the Gallente, the Minmatar and the Caldari. I'm Caldari by birth, yet I reside currently in Amarr space. So I guess I'm guilty too. Where did you buy your ship? Where do you keep your clones? Whoops! You're guilty too! You're supporting businesses and traders that deal with the Empire! I understand your frustration with the current politics and economic structure of the galaxy. You see something you don't like and you see it hiding behind laws and treaties. I feel the same about my enemies! At the end of the day, I and mine support LAW. We support society. You and yours have been pirates and terrorists. But you have also been soldiers. At the end of the day, which role made you happier? Which made you feel proud and honorable as opposed to just filling a need? Philosophy aside, I make my final offer. Release your charges to me. Or to someone responsible enough to care for them. We can shoot at each other until the stars go out afterwards, but our war is not thier war. Otherwise, you are at war with everyone. And you already found that the life of an anrchist wasn't for you so...there we are. The choice is yours, but you cannot logically keep as you are.
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.01.08 04:09:00 - [59] Politics and other things aside, how does this Matari expect someone to transport a large volume of slaves to Rens? That just displays a deep lack of understanding of CONCORD and Republic customs procedures. -------
Zuzanna Alondra Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.08 05:21:00 - [60] Originally by: Graelyn Politics and other things aside, how does this Matari expect someone to transport a large volume of slaves to Rens? That just displays a deep lack of understanding of CONCORD and Republic customs procedures. The same way we helped bring others home - carefully. It can be done and has been in the past. That many is going to mean one long day for us - but it will be more then worth it.
Gottii Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.08 06:17:00 - [61] Originally by: Graelyn Politics and other things aside, how does this Matari expect someone to transport a large volume of slaves to Rens? That just displays a deep lack of understanding of CONCORD and Republic customs procedures. Not that I support this in any way, but if they were free to leave and travel to Republic space, they wouldnt be slaves would they?
Anonymous Agerothite	Posted - 2010.01.08 14:18:00 - [62] A turning away from violence. A calling out of the oaf Nordir. A snub to the Queen of Hearts self-promotion. Three-in-one action, hah!
Aphoxema G Tribal Warzone Front	Posted - 2010.01.08 14:54:00 - [63] Edited by: Aphoxema G on 08/01/2010 14:54:00 After that 1005 days, instead of destroying these people I will gladly take them off your hands should you trust me to find the right place for them. Also, in the meantime, I'll buy myself some feel-good and redemption in the midst of my crimes against humanity by donating to the care of these people. How much would be an appropriate amount, Havohej? ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.08 16:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Anonymous Agerothite A turning away from violence. A calling out of the oaf Nordir. A snub to the Queen of Hearts self-promotion. Three-in-one action, hah! Yesterday evening, Du'uma Fiisi received a communication from an anonymous Agerothite. He told us that he was acting on behalf of a particularly wealthy Amarrian Holder who also wished to remain anonymous for several reasons but that he was prepared to release one million Minmatars into our care that very day. His message was also sent to Cer'ana and Louella Dougans of SHOSK, so our first response was to contact Miss Dougans to verify that the message was sincere. Much to our delight, she was indeed able to verify the Agerothite's message. A message was sent immediately to our people in Sasta where our slaves had been moved the night before for interviews following their medical examinations, the purpose of which was to determine the details of their origins; i.e. their names, how many were loyal to which houses, their vocations, etc. Within the hour, the lot of them were ushered aboard a DF1AS Prowler and en route to the Civic Court Accounting station in Ashab where the exchange was to take place. While we waited in Ashab for a thousand immensely relieved Amarrians to arrive, Miss Dougans and I passed the time in light (and somewhat awkward) conversation. During this brief exchange, I gained valuable new insight into the 'inner workings' of Amarr society and a little bit about their religion - particularly their Saint Ageroth, who apparently said, "Happiness is not measured by what you hold in your hand, but in your heart." Prowlers are fast, though, and this conversation didn't need to go on for very long. As soon as the Amarrians had reached my hangar bay and I had personally seen with my own eyes that all were in the same good physical condition as when we purchased them, I communicated to Miss Dougans that we were prepared to make the exchange. The anonymous Agerothite transferred his Lord's one million Minmatar capitives into her custody and she and I made the exchange quietly. 1,001,000 slaves, Minmatar and Amarrian, were free. We spoke for a short while longer as the Minmatars were escorted into our hangar where we handed out blankets and rations of food and water to make the wait at least a little more comfortable. As soon as an allied freighter arrived in Ashab, we began relocating our newly freed brethren to another location where we expect they will remain for no more than two weeks while we determine their individual wishes. We were assured that all one million of them wished to be taken to the Republic... however, it was explained that their former master had sent employees around to ask all of his captives if they were willing to give up their salvation and return to the Republic as free people to see one thousand Amarrians go free. Apparently it was not difficult to find one million volunteers. The problem this creates for us, then, is a need to determine how many of these Minmatars volunteered out of a desire to be free and how many volunteered as a result of thorough religious brainwashing. It will take time to determine who is who, and even more time to help those whose minds are clouded, but Du'uma Fiisi set out to free one million Minmatars and we are committed to doing so, whether their enslavement is enforced by chains of steel, chemical or dogma. During the time these people remain in our care, they will be provided for; arrangements are already being made to employ as many as we can in our offices and aboard our non-combat vessels. Those we cannot employ ourselves will receive a stipend that will be held in a corporate account until they're ready to return to the Republic's waiting arms. Should there be sufficient interest, we will periodically share details of their progress, but we believe that the public portion of this effort is over. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.08 16:27:00 - [65] Edited by: Havohej on 08/01/2010 16:30:45 Du'uma Fiisi also received over 120,000 Minmatars from a "consortium" of abolition-minded Holders in the Ammatar Mandate who also wished to remain nameless. When we explained to their agent that we no longer had Amarrians to barter with, he told us that these men and women were meant to be freed regardless and he was more than willing to see them into our care to do the right thing. As soon as we could arrange for temporary housing for these people within the Mandate, I personally flow out to Derelik to accept temporary custody of these free souls. Du'uma Fiisi would like to extend our sincerest gratitude to the Lord Holder who released one million of our kin, regardless of his motives and to the Holders in the Mandate who saw fit to do their part to help regardless of whether or not we had anything to offer in return. We also wish to express our very special thanks to Louella Dougans and the Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine, as without the legitimacy that their willingness to help see this end without bloodshed gave to our effort, we may not have had such an overwhelmingly positive response so quickly. e: It has been suggested that we should follow the remarkable success of this effort with another stronger effort. Before you ask, we are considering doing so but it will have to wait until the 1.1 million Minmatars we have to work with now are fully situated. I also expect it would take quite some time for our Angel Cartel associates to find and gather another thousand Amarrians illegally enslaved, let alone ten thousand. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.08 16:43:00 - [66] Congratulations. You're officially a slaver now. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
Rhedyn Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.08 16:45:00 - [67] Here's the problem with the whole situation. You offer no proof. "I captured 1000 ammarrian dogs and I'll kill them if 1 Million Minmatar slaves aren't set free!" then, "Oh, I found an anonymous benefactor who really doesn't believe in slavery or slaver ways but owns well over a million who decided to pay up. They are all free now, see how wonderful we freedom fighters are? we totally freed over a million slaves! yay us!" And no proof. I can totally make up stories to. This just in, several of those 1 million slaves were actually planted agents with nano-viral vectors. Not only are all of the slaves dead, but indeed the station crew where they were being held, as well as the ship captains of the transports tha got them there, are all dead. It's a tragedy, but we were careful when we salvaged, so we cleaned up the mess. It's a shame it's come to this. Seriously. Posturing in the IGS is nice and all but at least bring some evidence instead of just condemnation and self-aggrandizing and congratulations.
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:02:00 - [68] The crux of the situation is that there are other people involved that have gained something called credibility over time. And you haven't. And never will at this rate. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Darina Rea Congratulations. You're officially a slaver now. Not a single one of the 1.1 million Minmatars in our care are slaves. If you are labelling me for the purchase of 1,000 Amarrians... so be it. Originally by: Rhedyn Rubbish. The involvement of Louella Dougans and the Order of Saint Katherine provides all of the "proof" we need in order to make this announcement; indeed, I've said already that we believe SHOSK's cooperation was necessary to legitimize this effort at all. Without them, people may very well have dismissed this as a mere rabble-rousing publicity stunt rather than a genuine initiative to bring about the emancipation of a million souls. I've received no reports of any of our brothers and sisters being ill or spreading any illnesses amongst themselves. So while you're prattling on here about gods know what, we'll be celebrating the release of 1.1 million Minmatars from slavery in the Empire and the Mandate and doing everything in our power to see that they are prepared for the drastic change in lifestyle that awaits them now that they are no longer enslaved in as little time as possible. During our conversation, Miss Dougans explained to me why Amarrian Holders would want to remain publicly disconnected from this effort and I expect that as an Amarrian yourself you understand the twists and turns of Amarrian "intrigue" well enough that it needn't be explained to you. If I were to reveal the identities of these Holders or their agents now, it would ruin our chances to find similar success in any future effort so I'm afraid you're just going to have to take our word for it. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:04:00 - [70] Originally by: Rhedyn Here's the problem with the whole situation. You offer no proof. "I captured 1000 ammarrian dogs and I'll kill them if 1 Million Minmatar slaves aren't set free!" then, "Oh, I found an anonymous benefactor who really doesn't believe in slavery or slaver ways but owns well over a million who decided to pay up. They are all free now, see how wonderful we freedom fighters are? we totally freed over a million slaves! yay us!" Anti-climatic isn't it? I tend to agree. Ah well, but as he says, we have just to take "his word" for it. Or not, whatever suits the mood better. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Petra Bealer Beyond Our Sins	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Revan Neferis Anti-climatic isn't it? I tend to agree. Ah well, but as he says, we have just to take "his word" for it. Or not, whatever suits the mood better. Do I need to point out the irony of this being said by someone going on about the billions of lives she's responsible for claiming?
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Petra Bealer Do I need to point out the irony of this being said by someone going on about the billions of lives she's responsible for claiming? You have to go ask the person claiming that I have done such. To me, indifferent if someone tells me that my wars have killed one soul or two or billions, actually I prefer to simply ignore such casualties. Thanks for affirming my point. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:19:00 - [73] I was there. I saw 1M people exchanged for 1K other people. Where's the proof, eh? Well, the proof is my Word. I say it happened. There are other things that happen, why are you not badgering them about proof? Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!
Petra Bealer Beyond Our Sins	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:25:00 - [74] Originally by: Revan Neferis To me, indifferent if someone tells me that my wars have killed one soul or two or billions, actually I prefer to simply ignore such casualties. You seemed quite enamored of the numbers last night, ms. 'angel'. But nice try.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Petra Bealer ms. 'angel'. Delighted Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Rhedyn Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:43:00 - [76] Oh, sure enough, Louella did participate, which simply makes her a slaver as well. The other "facts" in this are completely without support however. Heck, there isn't any any support that those 1000 "Amarrian" slaves were actually Amarrian, or that the million "Minmatar" were really Minmatar. Heck, there isn't even any proof that the million offered weren't simply some patsy of yours (since you have already admitted you are a slave trader), which is why they will remain "anonymous". Personally, I don't care one way or another, holders are free to trade their slaves as they want, even if it's a bad deal. Of course, there is the option they are trying to scam you, so in the future they will ask you for a large sum to help acquire more to be freed.... It's a good plan actually, wish I had the capital to invest in it first. And as has been stated by the others, if the slaves you had were Amarrians, then they were slaves because they were serving sentances for one crime or another. Their torture and death would only absolve them and make them martyrs. If they were illegally slaves, then it would be again, because you yourself are a "slaver" that you so dearly hate. In the end, it doesn't matter, with the billions of slaves in the Empire, there are millions born every day, they won't run out any time soon. What bugs me about the whole thing is the all the self gratification from a hypocrite. Flies Amarrian ships, docks in Amarrian stations, pays taxes, everything this "freedom fighter" does seems only to support those he proclaims to hate.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:51:00 - [77] Originally by: Rhedyn if the slaves you had were Amarrians, then they were slaves because they were serving sentances for one crime or another. Ah, I see the problem, now. You don't read. Further 'input' from you will be summarily disregarded, but we thank you for your interest in the disposition of our brethren. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Rhedyn Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.08 17:56:00 - [78] Originally by: Rhedyn If they were illegally slaves, then it would be again, because you yourself are a "slaver" that you so dearly hate. Clearly, I'm not the one with the reading problem. And added, were they illegally slaves and Amarrians, then they would still be martyred by your murdering them.
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Core Construction and Explorations	Posted - 2010.01.08 18:00:00 - [79] I find it rather amusing that so many people fail to grasp even the basics of the original message. Rhedyn here as well as several others really need to go back and read it all again. Twice. Should that fail to enlighten them as to how ridiculously far off the mark they are, I'm sure the various schooling facilities around the place would help them attain basic literary comprehension skills.
Rhedyn Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.08 18:08:00 - [80] Summing up the first two posts: We failed at generating much response in our first attempt at IGS domination of Amarr. This time we bought 1000 slaves, we'll trade them for 1 million, or we'll start to kill them. That's pretty much it. There is zero evidence that these are Amarrians slaves captured by blood raiders and shuffled through null-sec underground slave-trade. Or that the million traded by some mysterious Amarr holder were minmatar. They bought slaves, and traded them. Welcome to being a slave trader. And congratulations on an outstanding profit, 1000% is a pretty good return on an investment.
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.08 18:15:00 - [81] There is no dispute that the 1000 Amarrians would have been considered martyrs. As I said, Scripture would support both acting, and not acting. Do nothing, and there are 1000 martyrs, such says Scripture. Act, and have 1,000,000 trade salvation for the lives of others, an act which is also righteous, according to Scripture. So then, which is more likely to end the war in the Bleak Lands, eh? Further to this, it happened the way I said it happened. Do you challenge my Word? Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!
Rhedyn Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.08 18:17:00 - [82] No, I'm sure you traded one million slaves for one thousand. It's the other "facts" that are in question.
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.08 18:33:00 - [83] Originally by: Rhedyn It's the other "facts" that are in question. Well then, you can accept my word that it is so. Or you can refuse, and then we can do that whole charade where I say "My Word is Challenged!" and insist on a duel, as is normal under Amarr Law - the "Trial By Combat", and then someone makes a retraction and all that malarkey. Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!
Kasuko Merin	Posted - 2010.01.08 19:37:00 - [84] Originally by: Louella Dougans Originally by: Rhedyn It's the other "facts" that are in question. Well then, you can accept my word that it is so. Or you can refuse, and then we can do that whole charade where I say "My Word is Challenged!" and insist on a duel, as is normal under Amarr Law - the "Trial By Combat", and then someone makes a retraction and all that malarkey. This is why I like Lou! She gets to the point. Nice change. Even if she does have an unnatural fondness for shopping...
Rhedyn Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.08 19:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Louella Dougans Well then, you can accept my word that it is so. Really can't, sorry. While you were involved in the final transfer, you weren't involved in the initial purchase of the slaves. As it was stated that they were obtained in the illegal underground slave market, it means their pedigree is impossible to determine, as the very nature of the the illegal market makes it nigh impossible to trace and track. This is why in the Empire we have laws governing this sort of thing. Short version, he's a slave trader complaining about other slave traders.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.08 20:50:00 - [86] Brother Havohej always handles these situations with such style. Kudos on the happy ending for more than a million of our brethren! Next time, I'm sure that you can reduce criticisms of your methods by treating the prisoners with all of the care and consideration that the slavers treat our people with. Here is a great example. Using this example, why not offer to free all of the prisoners, one per day? And, as an added bonus, if 1000 Minmatar slaves are freed to your care, you could give them a free ride to a station, as opposed to leaving them to drift in deep space, as were the slaves in the reference? Surely no slaver could fault you for such stellar treatment of their people... -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.08 21:14:00 - [87] While I dispute the method and the threat behind the request, I'm glad to see our people returned home safely. I trust the words of Lady Dougans that our people are returned safely, and are happy to note the assistance from a fellow holder. Some here seemed more eager to let a thousand free Imperial citizens die in horrible agony. One thousand citizens. What price is a million less slaves for such a cause? Thanks Mr. Havohej, for proving to be honourable enough to allow negotiations, at the very least. It's a start. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House and Empire. Long live the Empire.
Ka Pasher	Posted - 2010.01.08 21:28:00 - [88] Mr Havohej, I humbly ask you to send a list of your prisoners. I wish to know whether a member of my family, Isham Mke Pasher, with whom we lost contact in the Alpakian constellation is presently being held by you. It appears we haven't the support of our government, no information has been circulated. However, if my nephew is in amongst their number I would be willing to negotiate on his behalf. Ka Pasher
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.08 21:38:00 - [89] Originally by: Ka Pasher Mr Havohej, I humbly ask you to send a list of your prisoners. I wish to know whether a member of my family, Isham Mke Pasher, with whom we lost contact in the Alpakian constellation is presently being held by you. It appears we haven't the support of our government, no information has been circulated. However, if my nephew is in amongst their number I would be willing to negotiate on his behalf. Ka Pasher You might want to contact Lady Dougans for this information, pilot. Our citizens are freed and in good hands once again. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House and Empire. Long live the Empire.
Gemma Naquist Kuomi Logistics	Posted - 2010.01.08 23:00:00 - [90] Edited by: Gemma Naquist on 08/01/2010 23:01:05 Open channel: A thousand, a million, a billion. You have done NOTHING to end slavery. NOTHING. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. All you've done is pay a transaction tax that will go to insure the continued economic strength of the Empire. You've made one of the single biggest monetary contributions to the continued success of the institution of slavery in recent economic history! Congratulations! Do you see now how futile it all is? The only way to achieve an end to slavery by economic means would be a complete embargo on trade to and from the Empire. Starting with Caldari and ending with Concord. As they say here on Kuomi, ain't happenin chummer. Sorry. A-Plus for altruism End Transmission. KUOMI LOGISTICS: Your bright future, today!Ö
Lucius Vindictus Amarr Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2010.01.08 23:31:00 - [91] Originally by: Becq Starforged you can reduce criticisms of your methods... Havohej doesn't care about critics. At least he is fully honest and doesn't try to mask his methods with pretty words. I prefer an extremist over a hypocrite any day. It makes sorting out who is friend or foe that much easier. In only a few days we've seen over thirty thousand slaves used as human shields in a POS defense, ten thousand slaves thrown from an airlock for the sake of... well, I'm not even fully sure why; each instance accompanied by text walls trying in vain to mask the stink that accompanies large scale attempted genocide. This massacre is refreshingly honest and will be added to the statistics as casualties of the youngest instance of capsuleer God-complex. No true Amarrian will negotiate for the release of even a single one of these prisoners. Our Empire wasn't built by weaklings who would yield and abandon all our conventions under threats like these, and it sickens me that I see 'Amarrians' insulting our ancestors by attempting to appease a terrorist.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.08 23:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Gemma Naquist Edited by: Gemma Naquist on 08/01/2010 23:01:05 Open channel: A thousand, a million, a billion. You have done NOTHING to end slavery. NOTHING. We set out to free one million Minmatars from slavery in the Empire. We did wound up freeing over 1.1 million and have received word that 6,000 more are going to be released in Rens this very day by an interested party who went to the trouble of smuggling them past the border pickets set up by Republic Customs themself - admirable display of initiative on their part, by the way. They've already commented here on the IGS, so if they wish their name to be known I leave it up to them to reveal themself. Originally by: Gemma Naquist All you've done is pay a transaction tax that will go to insure the continued economic strength of the Empire. We were not charged a "transaction tax" by the Angel Cartel representatives we dealt with. We were charged the ISK value of one thousand Amarrian slaves and a reasonable transportation fee of 15 million ISK to cover the costs and risks of moving same from Curse to Empire space. Originally by: Gemma Naquist Do you see now how futile it all is? We freed more Minmatars than we set out to. We expected it to take place over the course of months, possibly even years, and we achieved our goal within 48 hours. No. We do not see how futile it all is. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.09 00:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Havohej Not a single one of the 1.1 million Minmatars in our care are slaves. If you are labelling me for the purchase of 1,000 Amarrians... so be it. Good one. Hadn't thought of that one. Ok. Add it. You've traded people for money, people for people, people with death threats. Whatever. You're an Amarrian slaver. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.09 01:02:00 - [94] Edited by: Cadirro on 09/01/2010 01:02:53 Originally by: Darina Rea You're an Amarrian slaver. tries to suppress a grin, but fails epicly Obviously. But back to topic - I was certain this would end in a bloodbath, but I was wrong - And now that I see over one million slaves freed, I cannot and will not condemn DFIAS for anything but their recklessness. --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube!
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.09 01:37:00 - [95] Recklessness is sexy
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.09 06:47:00 - [96] Originally by: Lucius Vindictus No true Amarrian will negotiate for the release of even a single one of these prisoners. Our Empire wasn't built by weaklings who would yield and abandon all our conventions under threats like these, and it sickens me that I see 'Amarrians' insulting our ancestors by attempting to appease a terrorist. So by your words, every TRUE Amarrian would gladly sit by and watch as citizens of the Empire were tortured, mentally and physically, and killed, over the course of years? Where I am from, we care for our common people as much we do our slaves and our traditions and values. This terrorist asked a million slaves be prematurely released from their path to god, and be transported out of the Empire's embrace. If we did not, he would start murdring our own people as punishment. Yes, his method is despicable, cowardly and honourless, but the terms were easily overcome, if one has a wallet deep enough. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House and Empire. Long live the Empire.
Lucius Vindictus Amarr Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2010.01.09 08:40:00 - [97] Originally by: Jesmine KyrielSo by your words, every TRUE Amarrian would gladly sit by and watch as citizens of the Empire were tortured, mentally and physically, and killed, over the course of years? Where I am from, we care for our common people as much we do our slaves and our traditions and values. This terrorist asked a million slaves be prematurely released from their path to god, and be transported out of the Empire's embrace. If we did not, he would start murdring our own people as punishment. Yes, his method is despicable, cowardly and honourless, but the terms were easily overcome, if one has a wallet deep enough.[/quote Bah! Since when is slavery about wallets and pocket money? Since when is being Amarr about compromising our traditions and detracting from our own faith just to win popularity contests? What is the point in owning slaves in the first place when it is OK for them to be so casually released? If you really care for them as you say you do, why is their enlightenment worth nothing to you? By handing this terrorist a MILLION slaves we exceeded his wildest dreams. Apparently all it takes to outsmart the Amarrian capsuleer community is to place a wanted add on the IGS. His next plot will be even more bold than the last, and by having shown such despicable weakness he will only be encouraged more! Lucius Vindictus spits and closes the connection and turns away in disgust.
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.09 11:18:00 - [98] Originally by: Lucius Vindictus Bah! Since when is slavery about wallets and pocket money? Since when is being Amarr about compromising our traditions and detracting from our own faith just to win popularity contests? What is the point in owning slaves in the first place when it is OK for them to be so casually released? If you really care for them as you say you do, why is their enlightenment worth nothing to you? By handing this terrorist a MILLION slaves we exceeded his wildest dreams. Apparently all it takes to outsmart the Amarrian capsuleer community is to place a wanted add on the IGS. His next plot will be even more bold than the last, and by having shown such despicable weakness he will only be encouraged more! Standard market prize for slaves is 705 isk per head. 705 million isk is not pocket money. Also, scripture decrees slaves are to be enlightened through working for the Empire, yes, but scripture also states the Amarr are God's chosen, and allready enlightened. This makes any free citizen vastly more valuable than a slave, and the slave's full value only emerges when a slave is both freed and a true faitful. I don't see any compromise in traditions here, only a failure on the Navy's part in safeguarding these one thousand citizen from abduction in the first place. That they made their way into the terrorist's hands is very unfortunate, but it proved to be a better option in the long run then being kept in captivity by the despicable s****who kidnapped them in the first place. Every holder has the sole right to decide what is to be done with their own slaves, though their treatment is to be held inside the paramaters of imperial decree. If any holder decides freeing his or her slaves to be worth the return of free imperial citizens that decition lies solely in their hands. After all, slaves are their property as well as their responcibility. This incident should be a warning sign to Imperial authorities and ALL Holders that security were not satisfactory wherever these people were abducted from, and should be improved to prevent this from happening again. Despite your disgust, fact remains that no-one died or were mutilated to death so the empire might have it's martyrs. I for one would rather have living citizens than dead martyrs. Just because a band of holders could not bare to see an insignificant number of slaves dissapear from the economy, don't mean everyone else does. I'm quite sure the families of these people would agree. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House and Empire. Long live the Empire.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.09 14:12:00 - [99] Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Despite your disgust, fact remains that no-one died or were mutilated to death so the empire might have it's martyrs. I for one would rather have living citizens than dead martyrs. Just because a band of holders could not bare to see an insignificant number of slaves dissapear from the economy, don't mean everyone else does. I'm quite sure the families of these people would agree. You would send a million innocent children into barbarism to save a 1,000 adults? You would sacrifice the salvation of a million souls to gain the lives of a 1,000? Are you religious? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Lucius Vindictus Amarr Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2010.01.09 14:23:00 - [100] Listen to Merdaneth if you will not heed me, Lady Kyriel. There is no justification for negociating, let alone pass a deal with a terrorist. In this case it is even worse. There will be songs and holoreels about Havohej and his trick. His easy triumph makes Amarrians look like fools and inspire the next wave of terrorists to take it one step further. We are better than this. I will pray for the Lord to shine His wisdom on his capsuleer children.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.09 14:24:00 - [101] Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel 705 million isk is not pocket money. Yes it is. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Zuzanna Alondra Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.09 15:58:00 - [102] Originally by: Lucius Vindictus Listen to Merdaneth if you will not heed me, Lady Kyriel. There is no justification for negociating, let alone pass a deal with a terrorist. In this case it is even worse. There will be songs and holoreels about Havohej and his trick. His easy triumph makes Amarrians look like fools and inspire the next wave of terrorists to take it one step further. We are better than this. I will pray for the Lord to shine His wisdom on his capsuleer children. Well ain't that a spiffy idea - I always wanted to be in a holoreel. Well, might be in the credits anyway. Terrorism is a point of view really - I've also heard the word hero and freedom fighter, but I like to be a positive person. And it's hard to not be pretty happy when you see so many finally coming home. I was personally delighted how things worked out so well, but our work is just beginning. For our next "act of terrorism" one step further we'll be making sure one million people get good medical care and settled into homes. I'm sure more details of our next wave of "terrible" things we are planning include basic education - but I might have to check on that. Zuzanna grins
Lucius Vindictus Amarr Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2010.01.09 16:30:00 - [103] Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 09/01/2010 16:36:06 Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra Well ain't that a spiffy idea - I always wanted to be in a holoreel. Well, might be in the credits anyway. Terrorism is a point of view really - I've also heard the word hero and freedom fighter, but I like to be a positive person. And it's hard to not be pretty happy when you see so many finally coming home. I was personally delighted how things worked out so well, but our work is just beginning. For our next "act of terrorism" one step further we'll be making sure one million people get good medical care and settled into homes. I'm sure more details of our next wave of "terrible" things we are planning include basic education - but I might have to check on that. Zuzanna grins Lucius Vindictus fails to surpress a grin. Celebrate your victory and bask in your moment of fame while you can. It is my hope and prayer that this was an incident and that the next time you will actually ... gasps... meet some faint slimmer of oposition?! If your 'job' has become this easy people might start to believe the empire is growing soft... Lucius can be seen grumbling to himself and his command staff as he turns around and the connection is closed.
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.09 16:43:00 - [104] Originally by: Merdaneth You would send a million innocent children into barbarism to save a 1,000 adults? Ofcourse not, but the incident here did not involve barbarism, children or anything of the sort. And if it did we would be having a completely different situation on our hands. Originally by: Merdaneth You would sacrifice the salvation of a million souls to gain the lives of a 1,000? You have to ask for savation for it to be granted to you, and every soul in the cluster knows where to turn to gain it, and what is required. I keep slaves because it's part of Imperial decree; my duty laid out by law and divine mandate. I maintain their slave status for as long and no longer than the law requires of me. On top of this, as explained it is every holder's right to do with his or her slaves as they desire, long as it remains within the bounds of the law. The law does not prohibit the pre-mature release of slaves from servitude, regardless of reason. When this crisis occured, I searched through the ranks off my people under the slave caste, and had each and every one questioned. Few if any wanted to forgo salvation for a one-way ticket to the Republic, but then, mine are all 8th, 7th and 6th generation slaves. I needed slaves who were more... fresh. It's not like it was hard. I found around 6000 fresh on the market from the resent conquests in the Republic who were more than eager to throw away their right to salvation. Having moved them to Rens, I was about to find more when I learned another holder had made a simmilar sacrifice. While I pray for the souls of these people, having discarded their one chance to knock on the gates to paradise, I consider the thousand believers we re-gained far more important. No slave who are as eager to discard their god-given right to salvation as those 6000 slaves were, can match the value of any true believer. We saved 1000 true believers. The price was a million heathens who chose to suffer for eternity. Originally by: Merdaneth Are you religious? I believe so, yes. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House and Empire. Long live the Empire.
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:39:00 - [105] Originally by: Merdaneth You would send a million innocent children into barbarism to save a 1,000 adults? You would sacrifice the salvation of a million souls to gain the lives of a 1,000? Are you religious? As the strange man said to me, these people volunteered, so would be acting in the spirit of Garum and Zakara, as the Prophet wrote. They weren't sent as such. Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:04:00 - [106] Originally by: Louella Dougans As the strange man said to me, these people volunteered, so would be acting in the spirit of Garum and Zakara, as the Prophet wrote. They weren't sent as such. A. Did you verify this? B. I have no opposition to trading slaves for Amarrian captives if the slaves were about ready to be freed anyway due to having achieved proper moral standards. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Evet Morrel Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:29:00 - [107] I'm not a religious woman, but there appears to be an absurd number of assumptions being made here. Surely the genuine martyr, at the very least, dies for their beliefs; is this the case here? Even admitting that they are dying for 'their' lord, which I am very far from allowing, this appears to be a very low sort of bar. You need not have faith, conviction nor courage nor much of anything, but be abducted by the notorious Havohej. In truth the Amarr God in appears will let almost anyone in. The whole thing smacks of a convenient sort of nationalism to me. But if so, Havohej appears to be the common denominator, one can imagine the faithful, or indeed the faithless, flocking to his door. Perhaps he should have won the Loyal Servant of the Year with such potent supernatural powers. I salute the daring imagination of the trickster Havohej, yet again he out foxes the jackals. I wouldn't normally dream of doing this: *Evet steps back from the monitor and curtsies.
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:49:00 - [108] Originally by: Merdaneth A. Did you verify this? B. I have no opposition to trading slaves for Amarrian captives if the slaves were about ready to be freed anyway due to having achieved proper moral standards. Verify in what way? I took the man's word that it was so, yes. I did not personally interview one million people to determine if they were sincere or were coached in what to say, no. They behaved morally, yes? Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!
Kathryn Dougans Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:41:00 - [109] Originally by: Louella Dougans I took the man's word that it was so You are entirely too trusting, dear. Not everything is as simple and straightforward as your stories. Being a single mother is quite hard.
Aldrith Shutaq Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra Well ain't that a spiffy idea - I always wanted to be in a holoreel. Well, might be in the credits anyway. Terrorism is a point of view really - I've also heard the word hero and freedom fighter, but I like to be a positive person. And it's hard to not be pretty happy when you see so many finally coming home. I was personally delighted how things worked out so well, but our work is just beginning. For our next "act of terrorism" one step further we'll be making sure one million people get good medical care and settled into homes. I'm sure more details of our next wave of "terrible" things we are planning include basic education - but I might have to check on that. Zuzanna grins I hope when Havohej's next plan oversteps the bounds of feasibility and fails to procure your demands you get to watch first hand what your leader does. Find your moral high ground after that. Make no mistake, you all in Du'uma Fiisi are no heros; you owe your thanks not to your cruel threats, but to the Holders who gave up those slaves out of the goodness of their hearts. Clean the dirt off of those poor souls today, fine. Eventually you will be cleaning innocent blood from your own hands. That is why you are called terrorists.
Evet Morrel Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:46:00 - [111] Edited by: Evet Morrel on 10/01/2010 00:49:53 Edited by: Evet Morrel on 10/01/2010 00:47:25 Whatever your view of a puerile theology, which has no need of virtue as a prerequisite for paradise, not that surprising though if you consider its petitioners: the nun Darina Rea or Rhedyn et al. What is clear, to all but the most challenged, is that those who plead not for the happy release of their sisters and brothers, but instead for a bloody escalation, is their need to protect jingoist fanaticism. Their reliance on the immortal indivisible nation of Amarr whose existence is a matter of collective faith; let the buggers be dammed, they'll all go to heaven, yeah right, so long as they can remain titanic. It is they who are despicable of course. Thank goodness for the likes of Louella, who hold fidelity to their faith in higher regard than nationalistic fanaticism. 'God' love the trickster who dared to call their bluff, reminding you that there're moderates amongst you that care for their brethren than they do for national pride. Behemoth Freedom's Banner
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.10 03:18:00 - [112] Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq Find your moral high ground after that. I find that the moral high ground only has any value in discussion fora such as this one. And while I love a good, lively discussion as much as the next man, former Prime Minister Midular can attest to the fact that discussion doesn't free slaves. In fact, I daresay discussion hasn't done anything meaningful at all in centuries. So you may keep your moral high ground. It's all yours. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Gemma Naquist Kuomi Logistics	Posted - 2010.01.10 09:34:00 - [113] Open Channel: Hav, you got your slaves from Angel Cartel? Well, then you did good. You helped the Empire curb the illegal sale of slaves from a criminal organization. And those people were recent captive slaves, so in that, you did good. You rescued Imperial citizens! You're a hero! Of course, freeing slaves from Angel to hurt Amarr is like robbing Bob's wallet because Bill owes you a fiver. Still, I'm sure the Empire appriciates your efforts. Good job. End Transmission. KUOMI LOGISTICS: Your bright future, today!Ö
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:05:00 - [114] Originally by: Gemma Naquist You're a hero! Yes, I am. But you're really reaching, now. Even so, I hope you're there to find the positive aspects in everything our corporation does - with you there to point out the silver lining our reputation surely won't get too dirty. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2010.01.11 06:52:00 - [115] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 11/01/2010 06:52:22 Originally by: Gemma Naquist Of course, freeing slaves from Angel to hurt Amarr is like robbing Bob's wallet because Bill owes you a fiver. Erm. Actually, pilot, it's more like buying goods from Bob for value plus transport, then turning around and trading them to Bill for a thousand times the value-- put in purely economic terms. To put it another way, we delivered goods to Havohej. An anonymous Amarr delivered the goods from Havohej. Havohej, in turn, delivered a million and change of his people from the Amarr. Frankly, I'm floored by the success he's made out of our little exchange.
Joaquin Diabel The EVE Observer	Posted - 2010.04.06 07:31:00 - [116] I'm curious as to what became of these million slaves. Indeed, what became of the thousand hostages? I spoke with Zuzanna Alondra about it over a month ago, but she was rather vague about things... curious that nearly three months after this exchange was said to have taken place, no grand announcement regarding the repatriation of a million souls, no major news items reported on by The Scope or other trusted agencies have been posted to GalNet. I would suspect that there was no trade at all, but Abbess Dougans is widely held to be a reputable capsuleer and she staked her reputation on it by her involvement and confirmation of the trade. Still... There was a veritable whirlwind of activity and then... nothing. So what happened to these people?
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.07 16:46:00 - [117] Originally by: Joaquin Diabel So what happened to these people? We were counting on people forgetting all about this and then making a grand announcement in a few months' time. Director Alondra tells me you started to interview her on the subject weeks ago, but that she wasn't able to reveal much and the interview went nowhere. My directors and I are discussing how much information we should or shouldn't share; you can expect to hear from Director Alondra again by the end of next week. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.04.07 21:39:00 - [118] Originally by: Joaquin Diabel I'm curious as to what became of these million slaves. Indeed, what became of the thousand hostages? Editorial reasons. It might not have been a story that was considered marketable at the time, by the Scope. Possibly they were more concerned with that rumour about the Miss Federation beauty contest winner and her affair with a hostile militia pilot. Or, maybe, they considered one million to be insignificant. Perhaps a billion might have made the news, as it would have been greater than the population of many inhabited worlds, and greater than at least one estimate of the number of new freemen created by the Empress's announcement. The logistics of that would be daunting. The thousand Amarr people that were traded for the million Minmatar people, I had expected the agent I was talking with to take charge of. He didn't, though, and undocked and exploded while I was momentarily distracted. Explain that if you will. I have his ship though. So I took the thousand to Sarum Prime, Mekhios Station, where we have stuff, and then after a while the people would have then been able to travel to destinations of their choice. The million minmatar people, were as far as I could ascertain in the time available, all possessed of appropriate documentation to allow them to travel to the Republic, and be free of any possibility of arbitrary re-enslavement. The agent I talked to, said they were all volunteers. I tried to ask what that meant, got nowhere, all I was told was that they were "righteous", for having surrendered their chance of salvation for the sake of others. Which is hard to argue with, whatever the actual motives that the people had for volunteering. After Captain Havohej took charge of them, they'd have been free to travel to the Republic, or indeed wherever there would be ships to take them. A curious sequence of events, all in all. Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!

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