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Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2010.01.07 00:27:00 - [31] Edited by: Nawt Ovarpwiced on 07/01/2010 00:27:09 Sorry if i have offended, my view on religion is summed up very well by the movie an invention of a lie. The ammount of war's and arguments and violence started because of relgion & religion vs another religion clashes should make one wonder if the wold would have been better off without any religion whatsoever. Perhaps if the religions/churches were not used en-mass as sanctuary by peadofiles, tax evasion, hypocrits and sexist ********s i would not look at it so harshly. I should also bring up, people also would not hate relgion as much if it was not forced apon them, but their choice to choose to learn it during schooling etc. an organisation as old as the church should know very well by now that forcing things on people is not the way to draw them in.
trenny jr Caldari Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.07 00:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Edited by: Nawt Ovarpwiced on 07/01/2010 00:27:09 Sorry if i have offended, my view on religion is summed up very well by the movie an invention of a lie. The ammount of war's and arguments and violence started because of relgion & religion vs another religion clashes should make one wonder if the wold would have been better off without any religion whatsoever. Perhaps if the religions/churches were not used en-mass as sanctuary by peadofiles, tax evasion, hypocrits and sexist ********s i would not look at it so harshly. I should also bring up, people also would not hate relgion as much if it was not forced apon them, but their choice to choose to learn it during schooling etc. an organisation as old as the church should know very well by now that forcing things on people is not the way to draw them in. I don't force my views on anyone no one in my family does either no one religious that I know forces their views upon anyone (I'm from UK btw). I actually find there is a more overwhelming amount of "OMFG YOU BELIVE IN A GOD LOL YOUR STUPID LOL I R THINK I KNOW YOUR FAITH YOU DONT BELIVE IN EVOLUTISDFONS" all over the place the Internet is a prime example 90% of the people i have spoke to try to convert me(the irony) to atheism which in a way makes me wonder, would there be no war without religion? I for one highly doubt it religion gets bad press due to people who use it as an excuse for wars man by nature will fight be it for religion, supplies or land its inevitable. alas while this is a debate that isn't flamey we should really stop about here to avoid going to far off topic (if you wish to further it just drop me an eve mail you seem more like someone with alot more backing to their points than the usual trolls) [00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.07 00:46:00 - [33] Without straying too far off topic if you look into things you'll find that almost all 'religious wars' have been about things other than religion. It may be used to justify it to the masses but those in the know had other reasons.
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Antaeus Combine	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:15:00 - [34] So a smaller faster and more manovable boat gets totaled by a larger slower less manorvable ship...oh yeah thats got to be the whaling ships fault...like hell it is. Moral of the story small fiberglass craft should not play chicken with large metal boats, what a bunch of loons. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:47:00 - [35] i like you Trenny, we can have a civil conversation on the topic without screaming :) But yeah best we drop it before it goes nuts. Just had lunch (im at work) and was looking @ the local paper, seems its Aussies/Kiwi's on the ship (im an aussie) From the report, the whaling ship was in Australian waters, the enviromentalists had been shadowing the ship the entire time, and had run low on fuel so had parked beside one of the whaling ships (2 whaling ships, 2 enviromentalist ships) when 1 of the whaling ships started up and rammed it. The ship that rammed the enviromentalists ship was the "bodygard" to the actual ship which was doing the whaling. That is how a small nimble ship gets rammed by a big one. By the little one sitting there not moving and the big one starting up the charge from short distance. Japan has also been using charterd planes in Australia to fly over the area as lookout/relay information to the whaling ships. Sounds to me like someone's in Aussie waters looking to harpoon some whales illigealy. Enviromentalists were there to try and make sure they did not. Whalers got ****y they couldent shoot any whales and rammed them on the way out. Full story here: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26560747-952,00.html So, now that the event has been explained, and its not "enviromentalists were harassing a boat which rammed them" are you still on the whalers side?
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.01.07 02:01:00 - [36] If whales taste good, we should eat them.
Major Cannabis	Posted - 2010.01.07 02:25:00 - [37] Edited by: Major Cannabis on 07/01/2010 02:29:10 I am so happy to replay to this thread.. You know, people who run around trying to help the whales have some nerve! Those people are only do gooders for their own agenda. They just wanna show some family pics of "Oh look what i did for the world" Who are they to head into international waters and tell other countries how to live! Let's see these same arm chair goodie doers take a portion of their pay checks and send it to people who are dying from starvation, not just once, but for life, Yeah right, picture that! What a bunch of hypocrites. I say the Japanese should SINK that whole fleet!
Dannerkongen Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.01.07 02:45:00 - [38] its not about wheter or not its cruel to farm and kill a cow for food. its about protecting the species! caspian, bali and javan tigers r dead! i guess we didnt need them anyways! RIP focking cats. what abotu them bottlenose dolphins!! good ridins! now we can powerboat down the amazon without worryign about our propellers and whales! seriously the posters look stupid and they sing like crap who needs them!! and moby **** wtf? lets extinct (insert name of human subrace here)! i certainly dotn need them! especially not on my block!
Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:00:00 - [39] Let me tell you something. Since we're an allmighty and superior species.... us being alive depends on an insect. You're thinking bull**** right? How do you get fruit? Trees How do tree's make fruit? By flower's that are pollinated by Bee's. Guess what's happening to the Bee's? They're becoming endangerd. the USA is IMPORTING bee's from Australia. A mite is attacking bee's, latching onto them and hitching a ride to the hive, then chow'ing down on the bee larvae. Bee populations are plummeting because of this. Bee's Die?? = No produce from tree's/plants No produce from tree's/plants? We dont get to eat it, and move to other food supplies Can the world live off a food supply that consists entirely of Meat? No. So "superior" are we to nature and the animals, but how easily we forget how dependant we are on them.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:07:00 - [40] I hope all you do gooders realize that whales are no longer in danger of going extinct and that the current US compiled list of 'endangered' whales has faaaaar moar to do with international politics than any real sense that japan is about to kill all teh cute whales in teh pacific for evah and evah. Here is a nice little summary of teh ebil nippons plans to kill all teh whales. Quote: Endangered species This year's hunt will include the sei species of whale, which has remained untouched for the past 26 years. Japan's planned whale catch 150 minke 50 Bryde 50 sei 10 sperm The United States lists the pointed-snout sei whale as endangered, but Japan says the species has swelled from 9,000 in 1978 to about 28,000. "Sei whales are much larger than other whales, such as the minkes, and eat more fish," said Takanori Nagatomo of the Japanese Fisheries Agency. "It is impossible to know their impact on the marine environment without knowing how much, and what, they eat," he said. Japan blames the whales' huge consumption of fish for a 50% drop in fish catches over the past 20 years. Washington has in the past threatened sanctions over the expansion of Japan's whaling programme, but Japan remains defiant, accusing its critics of hypocrisy and insisting there are enough stocks for a return to controlled commercial whaling. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Antaeus Combine	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:13:00 - [41] Edited by: nahtoh on 07/01/2010 03:14:31 Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced i like you Trenny, we can have a civil conversation on the topic without screaming :) But yeah best we drop it before it goes nuts. Just had lunch (im at work) and was looking @ the local paper, seems its Aussies/Kiwi's on the ship (im an aussie) From the report, the whaling ship was in Australian waters, the enviromentalists had been shadowing the ship the entire time, and had run low on fuel so had parked beside one of the whaling ships (2 whaling ships, 2 enviromentalist ships) when 1 of the whaling ships started up and rammed it. The ship that rammed the enviromentalists ship was the "bodygard" to the actual ship which was doing the whaling. That is how a small nimble ship gets rammed by a big one. By the little one sitting there not moving and the big one starting up the charge from short distance. Japan has also been using charterd planes in Australia to fly over the area as lookout/relay information to the whaling ships. Sounds to me like someone's in Aussie waters looking to harpoon some whales illigealy. Enviromentalists were there to try and make sure they did not. Whalers got ****y they couldent shoot any whales and rammed them on the way out. Full story here: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26560747-952,00.html So, now that the event has been explained, and its not "enviromentalists were harassing a boat which rammed them" are you still on the whalers side? Your link says absolutly nothing about running low on fuel and the vid clearly shows it was under power, in fact most of it was about a mbr of the green party wanting the Aus goverment to replace the privte boat from goverment funds and requesting a naval ship on station in the area... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Let me tell you something. Since we're an allmighty and superior species.... us being alive depends on an insect. You're thinking bull** right? How do you get fruit? Trees How do tree's make fruit? By flower's that are pollinated by Bee's. Guess what's happening to the Bee's? They're becoming endangerd. the USA is IMPORTING bee's from Australia. A mite is attacking bee's, latching onto them and hitching a ride to the hive, then chow'ing down on the bee larvae. Bee populations are plummeting because of this. Bee's Die?? = No produce from tree's/plants No produce from tree's/plants? We dont get to eat it, and move to other food supplies Can the world live off a food supply that consists entirely of Meat? No. So "superior" are we to nature and the animals, but how easily we forget how dependant we are on them. We can make robot bees! We have the technology!!!! Originally by:** a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:57:00 - [43] Information i got was from the newspaper article, went to the news website and it had that article there, guess its not the same as the one in the paper. Because im incredibly bored, i'll type it lol. Source: Thursday 7th Jan 2010 - The Courier Mail - Front page (continued page 2) "Whale War" Diplomatic row flares as protesters rescued from rammed boat Writer: Emma Chalmers - Canberra Anti-whaling protestors have accused the Japanese of a high-seas hit-and-run after their boat was rammed in the Southern Ocean yesturday, propelling Australia into a diplomatic storm. Six crew were rescued from the trimaran Ady Gil after it was involved in a dramatic clash with a security ship shadowing the Japanese whaling fleet about 2300km south of Tasmania. Australia and Japan appeared headed for another diplomatic imbroglio last night, with the FEderal Goernment calling for an end to the violence and Japan accusing protestors of "felonious behaviour" and demanding the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society be reined in. Enviromental Minister Peter Garrett last night condemned the clash and said the collision between the warring parties was very concerning. "The Government takes very, very seriously, very seriously indeed, any violent or dangerous activity that's conducted in the Sothern Ocean" he said. "We repeat our call for restraint to all parties" The Sea Shepherd group kept up its war in words, saying the attack was unprevoked and deliberate, "ripping eight feet of the bow of the vessel completel,y off", with the $3 million trimaran probably unsalvagable. "The Japanese whalers have now esculated this conflict very violently," Sea Shepherd captain Paul Watson said. "We now have a real whale war on our hands" (continued page 2) He said if the Japanese whalers believed Sea Shepherd's remaining two ships would retreat from the Southern Ocean they were mistaken. Crew of the damaged vessel Ady Gil said the trimaran had been stopped in the water when the Shonan Maru No.2 "suddenly started up" and careerd towards them, ramming the boat and taking off its nose. The crew was rescued by sister ship the Bob BArker. There were no injuries. Capt Watson accused the Japanese of abandoning the damaged vessel and urged the Federal Government to send the navy to protect the lives of the 21 Australians trying to impede the Japanese hunt, which protesters say is illegal. The collision with the Shonan Maru No.2 followed the Ady Gil's confrontation with tthe Japanese whaler Nisshin Maru, with Japan alleging its crew was fired on with butyric acid-filled projectiles and laser beams. Vision released by the Japanese yesturday showed the Ady Gil shadowing the Nisshin Maru. Japan's institute of Cetacean Research also accused the activists of trying to jam its vessel's rudder with towing rope and said the protesters were becoming more violent. "The Institute of Cetacean Research strongly condems the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society extremist actions which threaten the safety of Japanese whale research vessels and crews," it said. The ICR called on Australia, with New Zealand and the Netherlands (the flag states of the Sea Shepherd vessels) to stop the protesters and observe "their international obligations and deal with the Sea Shepherd in a strict and objective manner"/ The incident comes two years after Australia-Japan tensions flared when two anti-whaling protestors were held hostage after boarding a Japanese ship. It was also revealed yesturday that the Japanese Government was spying on the group in the Southern Ocean using planes charterd in Australia. Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard said the Government was taking urgent legal advice to see wether it could stop the spy planes. (article 1/2)
Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2010.01.07 04:06:00 - [44] (article 2/2) Source: The Curior Mail - Thursday 7th Jan 2010 - Page 2 "One crunch and the bow was gone" By Jason Stewart - Ady Gil Crew Member "WE'D had different skirmishes with the Nisshin Maru, the factory ship, but we were running low on fuel and so we basically disengaged and were sitting next to the Bob Barker. "We were basicly stopped more or less alongside them sort of waving goodbye when the Shonan MAru II came up behind them and just rammed us and took the whole nose off our boat. "I couldn't see because i was inside the boat. But i could hear the sonic equipment and i could hear them getting closer and closer. "I looked out the port side window and i could see the bow of the Shonan Maru II coming straight at us. "I was stunned basically and the next minute, wack. There was a big crunch and they took the front of the boat off. "I looked forward and i could see daylight out the front of the boat. Other crew members were spun around but i diddnt have that perception from inside. The boat has't sunk, we were very lucky i guess. "I think one of the things that contributed to that was we were low on fuel so the bow was sitting proud off the water. If the bow had been sitting lower it would have taken on water. We were lucky we had the Bob Barker nearby and they were able to come to our rescue. "I was told to put out a mayday call, which i did, and the Bob Barker responded to that. They put all the crew on an inflatable boat and brought htem over to the Bob BArker. Infobox thing: Ady Gil = Previously called Earthrace = Speed up to 50 knots (92km/h) = What it does: Used to intercept and block Japanese harpoon ships from slaughtering whales =What it is: A timaran reinforced with kevlar for strength. Coverd with radar-deflective paint. "No stepping back from the annual 'scientific' slaughter" JAPAN is one of the five nations involved in commercial whaling, along with Canada, Norway, Iceland and Greenland. There was hope that Japan's new centre-left Government might alter the country's policy on whaling, but there has been no change in official support for the annual slaughter. Last season japan took about 960 whales from Antartic waters, said to be for scientific research. Whale meat is widely avaliable as food in Japan. Japanese proponents of the annual hunt say the meat is a traditional source of food and attack Australia for attempting to impose on its culture. Australia is one of seven countries to lay claim to Antartic territories, but the claims are not universally recognised. A series of treaties means all nations can explore Antartica for scientific purposes. zzzz im still bored after all that. 2hrs till i can go home, yey.
yani dumyat Minmatar Pixie Cats	Posted - 2010.01.07 04:13:00 - [45] the incident from another viewpoint Shows that the Japanese Shonan Maru is highly manuverable for its size and moves towards the ady gil just before the collision and away from it after, notably this is a protection vessel and not a whaling trawler. I can see no bow wave on the ady gil so assume it must be stationary. There seems to be a lot of nutcases on both sides of this argument, sure environmentalists can go too far but more often money goes too far in the other direction. I'm glad that sea shepard and greenpeace are out there doing what they are, not because I'm an environmentalist but because we live on the scabby crust of a molten ball of ferrous gloop that has a habit of wiping out most of its inhabitants every now and again. Until the day mankind has stable populations independent of planet earth we should respect how mother nature doesn't give a crap about us and learn to safeguard our own resource supplies. Originally by: Neil Armstrong It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.01.07 04:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer I trol u. Seriously though... what makes a whale so special in comparison to any other mammal, fish, reptile, bird or insect? It's far more humane to hunt, kill and eat an animal which has lived it's life in the wild and not known the levels of sustained pain and suffering which some intensively farmed species endure. As long as it is done in a sustainable way then what's the issue? The issue is that it's a ****ing insult to real pirates to call those loons "nothing short of pirates". Now if they started taking down Japanese "Research" vessels, taking captives and asking questions later on, then we can talk. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.07 04:37:00 - [47] Originally by: yani dumyat the incident from another viewpoint Interesting angle and it certainly looks like the security vessel veered into the econuts. But that only goes to prove it has been a long bitter war on both sides. What never seems to come out in the press is when they endanger the lives of the fishermen by throwing various noxious chemicals onto the decks of the whalers that cause extreme nausia and sickness or even use weapons grade lasers to blind the pilots and harpooners of the ships sometimes with permanent loss of vision. Sea Shepard is nothing moar than a bunch of glory seeking cowboys doing anything and everything to sell ratings on their discovery channel show. Ya there is mucho money involved on all sides and everyone is dirty. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.07 05:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer I trol u. Seriously though... what makes a whale so special in comparison to any other mammal, fish, reptile, bird or insect? It's far more humane to hunt, kill and eat an animal which has lived it's life in the wild and not known the levels of sustained pain and suffering which some intensively farmed species endure. As long as it is done in a sustainable way then what's the issue? The issue is that it's a ****ing insult to real pirates to call those loons "nothing short of pirates". Now if they started taking down Japanese "Research" vessels, taking captives and asking questions later on, then we can talk. I bolded the important part for you.
Natasja Podinski	Posted - 2010.01.07 12:42:00 - [49] save the whale-thread the best internetbride
Thuranni FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.07 13:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced But just on that logic, What gives us the right to place ourselves as a higher priority than that over animals? The fact that we are the dominant species on the planet and have the capability to murder the hell out of them when we so desire gives us the right to claim whatever animals we please as pray. I never understood anti-whalers. Go ahead, eat that cow but OH GOD SAVE THE WHALES.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.01.07 13:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Thuranni I never understood anti-whalers. Go ahead, eat that cow but OH GOD SAVE THE WHALES. Cattle are bred for their meat en mass. Whales are not, and are fairly quickly going extinct. You're comparing a Rifter to a Raven... Edit: No, really, that comparison makes no sense! I don't care either way on the issue itself, but your reasoning is several degrees of madness. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
trenny jr Caldari Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.07 13:33:00 - [52] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Originally by: Thuranni I never understood anti-whalers. Go ahead, eat that cow but OH GOD SAVE THE WHALES. Cattle are bred for their meat en mass. Whales are not, and are fairly quickly going extinct. You're comparing a Rifter to a Raven... Edit: No, really, that comparison makes no sense! I don't care either way on the issue itself, but your reasoning is several degrees of madness. ill make it make some sense compare it to a noob in a rifter in low sec and a mission runner in a raven in low sec the second ones a dying breed :( [00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.07 13:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced But just on that logic, What gives us the right to place ourselves as a higher priority than that over animals? The fact that we are the dominant species on the planet and have the capability to murder the hell out of them when we so desire gives us the right to claim whatever animals we please as pray. I never understood anti-whalers. Go ahead, eat that cow but OH GOD SAVE THE WHALES. One species is endangered, one is not. Quite simple really. Now pass me the tiger sausage! Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.01.07 14:13:00 - [54] LAUNCH THE WHALE FARMS
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.07 14:20:00 - [55] Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 07/01/2010 14:20:15 Originally by: Danton Marcellus One species is endangered, one is not. All the more reason to enjoy their tasty goodness while we still have the chance.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.07 14:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 07/01/2010 14:20:15 Originally by: Danton Marcellus One species is endangered, one is not. All the more reason to enjoy their tasty goodness while we still have the chance. I hear people taste better. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Thuranni FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.07 14:27:00 - [57] Edited by: Thuranni on 07/01/2010 14:27:18 Originally by: SupaKudoRio Cattle are bred for their meat en mass. Whales are not, and are fairly quickly going extinct. You're comparing a Rifter to a Raven... Edit: No, really, that comparison makes no sense! I don't care either way on the issue itself, but your reasoning is several degrees of madness. Originally by: Danton Marcellus One species is endangered, one is not. Quite simple really. Now pass me the tiger sausage! The species of whales mostly commercially hunted around the globe, the species of whales these particular hunters were hunting, the Minke whale, is about as endangered as the domesticated cow. At least try to get some information on the subject before buying into the eco-terrorist propaganda.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.07 14:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 07/01/2010 14:28:31 Originally by: SupaKudoRio Cattle are bred for their meat en mass. Whales are not, and are fairly quickly going extinct. You're comparing a Rifter to a Raven... Edit: No, really, that comparison makes no sense! I don't care either way on the issue itself, but your reasoning is several degrees of madness. Originally by: Danton Marcellus One species is endangered, one is not. Quite simple really. Now pass me the tiger sausage! The species of whales mostly commercially hunted around the globe, and the species of whales these particular hunters were hunting, the Minke whale, is about as endangered as the domesticated cow. At least try to get some information on the subject before buying into the eco-terrorist propaganda. Yet it's ok to buy into wikipedia notes and capi-terrorist propaganda? If not monitored I'm fairly sure these whalers would nail every species of whale they could land. You can trust a fisherman as much as you can a hunter, opportunists both. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Thuranni FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.07 14:53:00 - [59] Edited by: Thuranni on 07/01/2010 14:54:05 Originally by: Danton Marcellus Yet it's ok to buy into wikipedia notes and capi-terrorist propaganda? If not monitored I'm fairly sure these whalers would nail every species of whale they could land. You can trust a fisherman as much as you can a hunter, opportunists both. Way to put words in my mouth. I simply used the wikipedia article to demonstrate what exactly a Minke Whale is, since many people would not know. It is a very established fact that Minke are not endangered in the least, and the small numbers hunted each year have a negligible effect on their population. And these whalers are monitored. By these things called "governments". Not by a bunch of quasi-activist reality TV stars. Also, I take a lot of offense to your demonizing of all fishermen and whalers. It's very easy to be arrogant like that from the comfort of your privileged, first world living from behind the glow of your computer monitor.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.01.07 15:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer I trol u. Seriously though... what makes a whale so special in comparison to any other mammal, fish, reptile, bird or insect? It's far more humane to hunt, kill and eat an animal which has lived it's life in the wild and not known the levels of sustained pain and suffering which some intensively farmed species endure. As long as it is done in a sustainable way then what's the issue? They are being hunted into extinction? Hunting endangered animals makes about as much sense as punching yourself in the balls to prevent your woman from getting pregnent.

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