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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:10:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
once skills near maximum, then most other frigates of same tier will do better
Ok lets talk about standard ab lowsec frigs...
punisher - 2 meds, slow, rifter pilot can easily disengage if hes losing
merlin - nice shield buffer, slower than rifter /= kiteable/ and lower damage /short range guns and rockets/
tristan - slower than rifter, short range guns /and rockets.../
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Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:25:00 -
[32]
And what of those nicely tanked Passive shield rifters that deal 120+ DPS without damage mods?
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 07/01/2010 20:31:26
75mm rails Merlin + rockets, MWD scram and web, MSE, keep at 6 Km (orbit is fine, but you'll need manual flying so keep an eye out for corrections), laugh as Rifter realizes that it can't break your tank. If he has not fitted scram, pulse mwd and just watch his shield/ armor/ hull go down. You'll probably still not hit 25% shields.
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Xavier Maroquin
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:41:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Kessiaan
For pure tank and spank, no T1 frig will match a well-flown Rifter - the superior range of Barrage combined with their ability to control range means they'll outrange blasters and out-DPS everything else.
But since that's what everyone flies, I fly a neut Tristan!
Tristan, Neut
HIGH:
2x Light Electron Blaster II (Null S)
Small Energy Neutralizer II
MID:
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler
X5 Prototype Engine Ennervator
1MN Afterburner II
LOW:
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
RIG:
3x Small Trimarks (purely optional, I run unrigged actually)
DRONE:
1x Hobgoblin II
MWD isn't really that important, they'll come to you and if they don't who cares it's a T1 frig. Inside scram range AB is much better for dictating range.
Most T1 frigs are active tanked. Most T1 frigs other than Rifters need cap to run their guns. This fit hits both weak spots and has a very large buffer - at least for a frig - 5K EHP (7K trimarked)
I recently fought one of these, very nasty for a frig...
And my way to kill a rifter? Thrasher maxed t2 does over 1000 volley...
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Matthias Duran
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:48:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Dracoknight
Used a "lol-fitted" kestrel once to make a Rifter run away
Well, if you somehow manages to fit a MWD, disruptor and some launchers on a kestrel you might run around kiting the damn thing, but as we all know, aint got enough CPU/PG to fit even a full set of launchers on a kestrel even without the MWD...
[Kestrel, MWD missle]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control I
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
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[empty rig slot]
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Fits with low to moderate skills, while costing under a million isk. Can kite and slowly take apart the standard Rifter, provided you start the battle at range. If the Rifter gets in close, you die horribly.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:00:00 -
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You will cap out in one minute with that kessie.
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Florio
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:17:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Bleeder Punisher loses to a gank/tank Punisher every time .. repairer may be able to run a lot longer but the amount it reps is 1/3 of what is received, Bleeder died a long time ago .. good riddance! 
Flown/fought a trimarked bleeder punisher recently? Their weakness is they can be kited or disengaged, but toe-to-toe I've only beaten twice with one, once when I forgot to put ammo in my cargohold and once when a neut rifter used mid-range ammo and their neut cycle hit me just after my nos cycled. I wouldn't underestimate the bleeder punisher!
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Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar
Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:41:00 -
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[Punisher, here's johnny]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Punisher is scary good with slaves. 13k EHP with 46 tank. :whistle:
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I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise.
Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.
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Stefan William
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.01.08 08:36:00 -
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Rail Tristan, thank you Prometheus
[Tristan, AB - 400mm Standard]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
1MN Afterburner II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin II x1 |
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