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Direstorm
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Posted - 2010.01.07 01:19:00 -
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So I'm thinking of something like this:
Take the battlecruiser that isn't being used for Command Ships (ie, Myrmidon, Drake, etc).
Then give it stats something like these
Drone bay 375m3
Bandwidth 250Mbit/sec
Give it the same basic stats as Command Ships but one high slot less.
Give it a flat bonus to racial tank and drone damage for the battlecruiser skill, and allow one extra drone per level in BC Carrier.
So you get something that looks like this:
Gallente Fast Response Carrier
Hull: Myrmidon
Role: Fast Response Carrier
<Description>
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 7.5% armor repair bonus per level and 10% drone damage, hitpoints, and mining per level.
Fast Response Carrier Skill Bonus: Can deploy one additional drone per level. 10% bonus to drone range and speed per level.
Low Slots: 6
Medium Slots: 4
High Slots: 6
Turret Hardpoints: 5
Upgrade Hardpoints: 3
Drone Bay 375m3
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Any thoughts on what the other races' Fast Response Carriers would look like? Or skill requirements? Drone Interfacing 5 seems kind of obvious but beyond that idk.
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Comodore John
Gallente
KILRATHI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:32:00 -
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No, the last thing we need is a ship launching 10 heavy drones/sentries. And also because I never want to see a variation of the Drake. |
mchief117
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Comodore John
No, the last thing we need is a ship launching 10 heavy drones/sentries. And also because I never want to see a variation of the Drake.
what about a bigger drake-er version that fires torpedos and cruse missles, we could call it a dragon.
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ratuchikaka
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.07 03:06:00 -
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I proposed something similar, but it was a subcap-sized ship, like Orca's
They said me, NO!
I'm Gallente and I love Myrmidon, this could be a nice T2 Myrm version, but that's so much drone capabilities for a Command Ship. It can use 10 Sentries/Heavies, slow but deadly.
Most of people will blame you for this. I'm sorry.
70+% EVE capsuleers don't like Drone focused ships but the game needs something between Dominix & Carriers.
Kraken: Rorqual's big brother & Planet mining
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.01.07 03:43:00 -
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Don't need another carrier like ship since we already have them. Catch is you have to go to non-empire space to use them. Gallente already has a plethora of afk drone death mission farmers, they don't need another one lol.
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Tylara duChelm
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Posted - 2010.01.07 07:35:00 -
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A more interesting way to do it, IMHO, would be a ship that can use 3 5m3 3 10m3, and 3 25m3 drones. Overall it will have roughly the same power as a sentry boat now, but will be forced to diversify their drone loadout more.
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Dark Drifter
Amarr
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.07 10:22:00 -
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mini carria with turret hard points . . . . ?
no no no its a mini carria not a hybrid.
not a bad idear but needs alot more thaught and consideration.
maby still keep it to low sec, or some other restriction like that
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Suunto Viper
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Posted - 2010.01.07 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Comodore John
No, the last thing we need is a ship launching 10 heavy drones/sentries. And also because I never want to see a variation of the Drake.
Urm The t2 drake is the nighthawk m8
the t2 ferox is the vulture.
Have you ever looked at the stats?
They just use the smae hulls as ferox but the stats are drake and ferox respectivly.
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Dr Karsun
Gallente
HUSARIA
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.07 10:49:00 -
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Nice try, but it would only have a reason to exist for gallente... why would others have the small carriers while they are not interrested in drones at all?
Besides, that ship would instantly become THE ultimate mission running ship. So although I'd love it, it would be so unbalanced it would be only a pain and finally the ship would be banned.
It's a nice idea for a tournament prize ship - having like 10 in entire eve universe of those would be just awesome... Like the guardian vexor - 25b for a ship.
I guess that one would cost like 50-60b, so a titan-like cost.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.01.07 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: mchief117
what about a bigger drake-er version that fires torpedos and cruse missles, we could call it a dragon.
Or we could call it Raven, thats a pretty cool name for a ship like that 
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DeathRavens
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:32:00 -
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completely new hull type for new role or until then i say no
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steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.08 00:24:00 -
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More drones = more lag = no.
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Ogogov
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Posted - 2010.01.08 01:43:00 -
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or how about, I dunno, REMOVING THE PATHETIC BANDWIDTH LIMIT ON THE MYRM. 
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NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.01.08 02:37:00 -
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The Myrm used to be a drone boat and it got hit by the NerfÖ bat
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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:23:00 -
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Myrms could drop the repper bonus and gain +10 bandwidh pr bc lvl. Problem fixed. |
Diabolyc
Amarr
Bunny Mafia
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Erika Bronz
Myrms could drop the repper bonus and gain +10 bandwidh pr bc lvl. Problem fixed.
yes pls, i want to fly gallente drake with 750+ dps
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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.01.08 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Diabolyc
Originally by: Erika Bronz
Myrms could drop the repper bonus and gain +10 bandwidh pr bc lvl. Problem fixed.
yes pls, i want to fly gallente drake with 750+ dps
Your "feared" fit wouldn't even hit a sitting duck. Let me guess: Ogres and autocannons or blasters with the passive shield tank? Kill it's drones at range, or speed tank them. Theres no reserves to spew out due to lack of drone bay when you use heavys. Besides, HAM drakes already got 750 dps.
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Sollunux
Gallente
Dawn's Requiem
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Posted - 2010.01.08 05:42:00 -
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Myrm with all Level V skills and 5 ogre IIs does 475 dps
Drake with full T2 HAM Launchers and it's 25m3 bay deployed (5 Hob IIs) and 2 BCU IIs does 468 with Caldari HAMs.
The myrm pumps out more dps and has it's whole slot layout to tank. The Drake is down several possible tank slots and out of a lot of CPU and grid to dish out the damage.
Now as stated, the myrm's dps can be killed and leave it defenseless, but the myrm has a -150- (NOT -125-) m3 drone bay. 5 heavies and 5 lights. Cruisers would be a partial threat, but the lights would have 150 DPS by themselves (Hob IIs) which is generally enough to at least pester most cruisers off the field. And if the Myrm fits a web & scram, just about anything larger than a frigate will be a viable target for the ogres.
However, I fully support getting my myrmidon back to the way it used to be ^_^
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Terra Jennings
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Posted - 2010.01.08 05:58:00 -
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(Copy and pasted from my original post in the 'new and unique ship class thread')
Drone-Logistics Micro Carrier
Each race's ships have 125 drone bandwidth and large drone bays.
* Caldari- 5% bonus to shield maintenance drone effectiveness 5% bonus to ECM drone effectiveness
* Minmatarr- 5% bonus to shield maintenance drone effectiveness 5% bonus to target painter drone effectiveness
* Galentee- 5% bonus to armor maintenance drone effectiveness 5% bonus to webifier drone effectiveness
* Amarr-5% bonus to armor maintenance drone effectiveness 5% bonus to energy neutralizer drone effectiveness
OR (strictly all race specific drones)
* Caldari 5% bonus shield maintenance drone effectiveness 5% bonus ECM drone effectiveness
* Minmatarr 5% bonus webifier drone effectiveness 5% bonus target painter drone effectiveness
* Galentee-5%bonus armor maintenance drone effectiveness 5% sensor dampening drone effectiveness
* Amarr-5% bonus tracking disruption drone 5% bonus energy neutralizing drone
I originally thought of these as using the tier 2 battlecruiser hulls. If you put these additions on the tier 2 BC hull you would get what I would consider a fair amount of DPS (~300-400, which equals about what BC damage is without drones, although this could be tweaked-maybe one or two less high slots) and a decent tank if given t2 resists (BC tank is pretty weak but with t2 resists it would be just about right.). Damage output might have to be kept low because a group of these spider tanking could be pretty strong.
These would make for excellent small gang pvp ships as well as create a more fun to fly logistics ship considering you dont have to sacrifice many slots for the utility you bring (all drones, maybe only need drone nav computer or drone link augmentor).
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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.01.08 06:03:00 -
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[Drake, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
[empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
776 dps "all L5". you figure the implants. (819 dps with guristas/caldari BCU's)
711 dps "all L5", no implants. (751 dps with guristas/caldari BCU's)
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2010.01.12 03:34:00 -
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I like the idea. Excpet make the drones have the ability to fly system wide like their bigger cousins. And instead of drones use smaller fighters.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:46:00 -
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*cough*
Fix the Eos...
*cough*
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Archeas
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Posted - 2010.01.16 06:20:00 -
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Tech II battlecruiser in a myrm hull with repair bonus, drone bonuses, and capable of launching 10 heavy drones simultaneously? rofl. Maybe if they cost like 2 billion; that would be so overpowered.
No.
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Altaica Amur
Ichizoku
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.01.16 06:47:00 -
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Yeah fixing the Eos and myrmidon should probably be higher on the list then this and if CCP figures that 5 heavies is too much for a BC your chance of getting 10 onto a BC is less then a snowball in hell.
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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.01.16 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Altaica Amur
Yeah fixing the Eos and myrmidon should probably be higher on the list then this and if CCP figures that 5 heavies is too much for a BC your chance of getting 10 onto a BC is less then a snowball in hell.
Hell
Hell is a 20 minute drive from my house. It's a snowy and freezing winter outside. You could go to Hell and make as many snowballs you ever wanted.
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RootEmerger
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Posted - 2010.01.16 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: RootEmerger on 16/01/2010 09:22:59
Edited by: RootEmerger on 16/01/2010 09:21:08
just change the "drone control unit" to "carrier drone control unit" and add a "gang drone control unit" that only those ships can mount - you can have more drones but you lose gun mounts and lots of power/cpu...
As for the "uber missioning ship" objection - they have stated that an upgrade to sleeper ai is planned for all npcs, so afk drone ships arent an issue in pve anymore...
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Vespoi Filar
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Posted - 2010.01.16 11:26:00 -
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Hey Direstorm?
Any chance you read even one of the 972345 other threads on this topic? Did you happen to notice ALL the reasons why this idea...
Creates Lag?
Is overpowered?
Only ever suggested by mish runners?
Sucks?
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Direstorm
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Posted - 2010.01.17 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Direstorm on 17/01/2010 11:21:19
Vespoi-
Yes, I looked at other threads regarding this topic. The ones that I saw suggested capital ship/subcapital/battleship sized drone carriers.
I agree that these suggestions for large drone carriers were overpowered. That's why I suggested a smaller ship. If you would like to make a suggestion for a non-capital drone carrier that isn't overpowered and -is- viable for both pvp and pve, please do so.
I don't feel that lag is the issue that you feel that it is. For one thing, people who want to lag out a system don't need drone carriers to do it. For another, I don't think drones create as much lag as players do.
Yes, I'm a mission runner. I have 7 million skillpoints or so, and while I have done PVP, I'm primarily a PVE kind of guy. So what? I think your complaint here is that all you do is PVP, all you like is PVP, and the mere thought of a ship that doesn't directly give you, personally, a direct advantage is offensive to you. If that is, indeed, your complaint, then I don't care.
You don't have to buy this new overpowered mission boat to PVP with. And if you don't think it's any good to PVP, then PVP lag and balance is even less of an issue. That means that CCP would be free to buff its stats until it doesn't suck.
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