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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:37:00 -
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I think you want to make tons of isk and not make to much effort.Well than exploration is no way for you.
Rewards in exploration go from 0 to 500 mil in high sec (if you hit pith c-type invul ) .Now compare that with mining when you start and average 20-30 mil per radar high sec site and do the math.You need to work and expect to get nothing ,but that is fun part .Even more if you do in Drake or some slow boat ,cause you need to do that faster than T3 hulls lurking around.
In my case it was well worth.My play time is a bit over five months and in that time I managed to make 3 accounts via power of two and finance all of them with plex that is payed with isk.Also one account is pvp based so that exploration pilot is financing all 3 accounts.
This is not wow so you kill something and that drops 100% epics .For all that give you good isk income you need to invest something.That something will determine how much you will benefit overall.
Point is,there is few things that give you constant profit on daily basses but in smaller amounts like mining or PI etc.For all other things that give you more you need either invest more time and effort .
I like exploration even if there is no drops ,cause you are moving all time.But for sure it is not for everyone. |
Sir John Halsey
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:29:00 -
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Lady Darkmoon wrote:Anyways, glad to hear that people are getting lucky and finding sites worth hundreds of millions in highsec. I certainly haven't found those yet despite being persistant and keep trying. Sounds to me some are having streaks of luck better than others.
This is exactly how exploration is supposed to work.
In my case, in last week i had a crappy income.
Probably less than 100mil since i moved into gurista space.
Competition is huge here.
Before, in blood/serpentis space i made about 100mil/night (2, 3 hours) and most of the people are doing it better.
And i used a Caracal Navy ... not a t3 ... not even an Ishtar. |
Sir John Halsey
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:41:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
As I said, I was pretty much focusing on high sec radars. They require no combat, take minutes to hack the cans. I'd say on average they yielded 5-15mil per site. With some going as high as 80mil.
>high sec >radar >80 mil lol
There is a Gurista Radar with nice drops.
The one with (three i think) battleships.
It didn't pay 80mil but last nigh each container had at least 3 decryptos and the BS loot had some meta4.
I ended with like ~40mil from that site but maybe i was lucky.
In the mean time, the 3/10 and 4/10 (one of each) dropped only OPE lol. |
Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
13
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:47:00 -
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Certainly high sec exploration is at the bottom in terms of revenue, but then that is true for most things. In a word, yes, there is ISK to made via high sec exploration. Radar sites can payout well, and 4/10 plexes. If you mine then sometimes you will find a juicy hidden belt.
When I explore in high sec (low sec is my preference) then I work all the sites, including the dreaded mag sites.
Fro
http://ridingevewormhole.blogspot.com/
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Valen Joven
Sparten Transport
0
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Posted - 2012.08.18 15:19:00 -
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Whats the difference between what space exploration is done in? Why is Caldari space overpopulated compared to the others? Whats the difference in actual loot? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:48:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:If you know what you are doing, you can make good isk in any sec exploring. Trouble is no one wants to train or buy the equipment. Then they say exploration is broken.
This. Getting the skills up first is important, and using best equipment is very helpful but not required. Running the exploration tutorial missions gets you going and gives you the basic equipment, so entry cost, other than a couple skill books, is almost nothing. Use Core Probe Launchers instead of trying to fit Expanded launchers helps with fits; I personally prefer ships other than the T1 probing ships, just because of better fitting possibilities.
And the comment about getting out of Caldari hi-sec space makes sense, in my experience. I've had much better luck in Amarr space than The Citadel/The Forge/Lonetrek areas, but that's just me. I'll probably be hitting up Gallente space now that I have a decently skilled Gallente toon (my first pure Gallente toon). In Caldari space I tend to hit up lo-sec only using a Pilgrim; high sec just isn't worth the time given the population. |
Sir John Halsey
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:09:00 -
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Valen Joven wrote:Whats the difference between what space exploration is done in? Why is Caldari space overpopulated compared to the others? Whats the difference in actual loot?
Because Gurista drop those A and C type shield boosters or invulnerability fields for which for some reason Tengu pilots pay a fortune.
Probably the best way to make money is to use a Loki in gurista high sec as you will sell those mods instead of keeping them for your tengus lol.
Edit: and in Gurista space, i found it is better to find a small loop of 5, 6 systems and scan them every 10min or so. Flying around it is hard to find those juicy 4/10 but because of so many people scanning they will pop in your loop sooner or later :) |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc.
Stealth Wear Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:27:00 -
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Valen Joven wrote:Whats the difference between what space exploration is done in? Why is Caldari space overpopulated compared to the others? Whats the difference in actual loot?
Different factions can drop different loot. Guristas loot is so sought after, because they drop shield modules and half of EVE (or i guess more like 90% of eve :D) fly shield ships. Tengus and other ships love medium shield boosters, hence they are so expensive. Those deadspace invulnerability fields can go on even more ships, and as such are possibly the most expensive modules you can get.
If you explore in space, where armor modules can drop, you will quickly notice the disparity in prices compared to shield modules. In fact the only stuff that's really worth a fortune are a-type EANMs and some of the hardeners, because they might end up on capitals. Supply and demand.
And as others have said exploration is worth it in highsec (far too much in my opinion, or you wouldn't see that many doing it). If you are dedicated to it (many people find probing boring), it can be your main profession - i personally started doing it on day 2 or so in my imicus and hunted radars, slowly upgrading my skills and ships as i went along. I did do maybe 10 or 15 level one missions in my life, just out of interest. But yeah i guess you have to like possibly dropping hundreds of probes in longer scanning sessions ... :) [edit] and not rage when you have a dry spell[/edit] |
Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services
SOLAR FEDERATION ALLIANCE
4
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:20:00 -
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As others have said Hi Sec, esp Cal Space, is heavily farmed however, there is still quite a lot of isk to be made in Hi Sec if you are patient and can wait out the hoard and dry spells. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
947
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Posted - 2012.08.20 07:18:00 -
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Hey this must be where all the cool kids hang out!
For highsec you have two options:
Gurista space, and compete with everyone else, and if/when you get loot, it's worth a lot of ISK
Everywhere else, and have no competition, cause the loot is worth nothing |
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:55:00 -
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To make isk from exploration in hi-sec, you need to find combat sites, like the 3/10 or 4/10 or equivalent unrated ones. Often you'll get a 50m+ item from the faction ship at the end.
However, these sites are pretty uncommon and, in caldari hi-sec, there are loads of people doing it. |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations
Aurora Irae
59
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:12:00 -
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I've made good isk in hisec exploration before, but I don't honestly see the point, since lowsec exploration is so much more profitable. Almost no one does it so you have your pick of sites, and even if someone does enter local you just have to check dscan for probes (assuming you're at a probable site, if you're at a ship-scannable site, just set your dscan to 360 and short range, warp off if someone gets too close). Additionally, the vast majority of lowsec roamers (some exceptions) give up on trying to find you if they don't see you at a gate or an obvious location on dscan.
However, I see the argument for hisec exploration: that it should be on-par with hisec mission isk. The problem with that is the difference between a steady isk income and bursts of isk income: you can calculate how long it will take you to make a billion isk running missions and grind up to that, and you might not find anything in that period of time exploring, but then you might find a billion and a half worth of deadspace drops in a day. In my experience, the deadspace drops are less valuable and more common, though.
Additionally (and this is a general statement, I don't know where the original poster explores), if you don't like the competition in caldari space and don't want to go elsewhere, start out-competing other players. |
Aster Nightwolf
MarSec Industries
STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 08:31:00 -
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This is a topic I'm interested in. I love to scan for WH's back to hisec (I live in 0.0 dronelands). That said, I did have a question about finding sites in nullsec. I live in a dead end system and there only mainly seems to be some combat sites there. Where can I find sites like radar etc? Do they appear anywhere or must the sol system be upgraded to allow for it? Also are the dronelands really worth it regarding exploration? I hear that it is not. |
Transient Drifter
Sturm Reich
Sturmgrenadier Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2012.08.22 15:36:00 -
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the last 2 4/10 sites i ran got me ~600mil... its kind of a crap shoot...
running mag/radar sites will typically pull me 40-50mil in an evening, it really depends on how many of those sites i find. The salvage sites i dont have much luck with but occasionally you'll pull some tech2 salvage that will pull 15mil for 1 piece.
not all of the sites are going to have OMGBBQSAUCELOOT!!111! so you gotta stick with it, for the good stuff.
i hit a frigate sized combat site that can escalate 5 times, or it may not go anywhere...
part of what is exciting about exploration is that there really isn't a set amount of ISK/hr you're going to make... you could pull 5 crap sites in a row but that 1 good site is going to make up for all of it. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
942
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:28:00 -
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Last time I went exploring in high sec:
I found a 4/10 complex. When I got there I found 2 drakes shooting stuff, and then a Tengu warped in as well. The Tengu was faster than my Proteus and was able to get to a low end container first. But that delayed him to the point that we both entered the second pocket close to each other. He went directly for the main bad guy..and got hung up on a structure. I carefully navigated around the structure. Still he made it to the big bad guy at about the same time as me, and annoyingly got the kill. I let him have the loot he earned, but started salvaging the wreck. He left. I got 15 T2 salvage items worth 80 mil total.
The two drakes then showed up, shot some lesser rats and left.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:16:00 -
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Isn't it really bad form to utilise a complex someone else is already at? People I've seen come to mine just warp away again, and I do the same. |
Scoto Timta
EveMerc's
13
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:50:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:Isn't it really bad form to utilise a complex someone else is already at? People I've seen come to mine just warp away again, and I do the same.
You DO realize that this is EvE, right?   |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:39:00 -
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Scoto Timta wrote:Chimpy B wrote:Isn't it really bad form to utilise a complex someone else is already at? People I've seen come to mine just warp away again, and I do the same. You DO realize that this is EvE, right?
i stole a faction MWD and medium rep from the same overseer once. good times.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:04:00 -
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Scoto Timta wrote:Chimpy B wrote:Isn't it really bad form to utilise a complex someone else is already at? People I've seen come to mine just warp away again, and I do the same. You DO realize that this is EvE, right?
A place of rainbows and teddy bears? |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
951
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Posted - 2012.08.23 09:52:00 -
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Hey! Just because in game we're all genocidal egomaniac tyrants with tendencies to a lil' bit of the ultraviolencing, doesn't mean we can't be polite when we shoot people in the face. |
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Diesel47
Painkiller.
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:40:00 -
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Lady Darkmoon wrote:Well, if we're going to be assumptive, then do tell me what other progression people take towards L4's ?
Also, my ingame skills are all level 4, including hacking, salvaging and archeology. Only skill I have at 3 is Acquisition, which anyone who read up about the skills knows is quite useless to train higher due to the max 10 seconds on the scanning timer anyways. I have sisters core launcher, sister probes, rigs fitted. Granted, I don't have implants just yet. Though I would buy those if I saw there was much to gain from exploration, which I haven't seen yet to justify implants.
As for player skills I have no problems scanning down the sites. Some take longer than others to pinpoint, but that's to be expected. I've been doing scanning to probe down ships in PvP long before I started trying out the exploration part of the game in terms of finding sites and loot. So I think my player skills in terms of pinpointing sites is quite sufficient considering I can pinpoint ships quite fast on my PvP character.
As for whining on the forums, I'm alt tabbing to the forums on my 2nd monitor while warping between the systems, or while waiting for probes to reposition and complete scan. So your blatant assumption that I'm sitting on forums just whining and not playing the game are completely wrong. In fact, I am just now running two accounts at same time.
Anyways, glad to hear that people are getting lucky and finding sites worth hundreds of millions in highsec. I certainly haven't found those yet despite being persistant and keep trying. Sounds to me some are having streaks of luck better than others.
Don't take these guys too seriously. They just like to assume things about people and disagree with everything because they don't know what they are talking about.
I do agree that exploration needs a bit of work, compared to the other "professions" only a handful of people are into it because it is a hassle, and the effort to fun ratio is terrible.
I think it should have more risk invloved, more mystery, and more reward. And I also think that exploration needs to have some kinda of story element so you actually learn and explore things. Not something boring like "guristas mining outpost" *Yawn*
Exploration can be alot better than it currently is, and I think CCP should take a serious look at it because a space game with lame exploration is a lame game. |
Calisto Thellere
Klaatu Technologies
7
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:35:00 -
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personally i explore high sec as a change from null pvp on my other chars.
Its relaxing, its exiting, its the feeling of 'is this next one going to be the jackpot?' that does it for me.
That said, iv done it a lot and started to grow a little bored as highsec exploration offers zero challenge anymore, so i got talking to another guy from mio's explo channel in game about null exploration.
Long story short, i bought another tengu, fitted a new JC and headed to outer ring. It was fun for sure, but the only draw back was not being able to run some of the plex's solo (as it should be) so i found myself ratting or running anoms some of the time while i waited for my explo buddy to come online.
Im back in high sec atm, not because its easier and less stress (it is) but it means i can run sites at my convenience and not rely on back up to run some of the trickier sites ( prison camp being one )
I intend to run an experiment with my exploration buddy next week regarding drop rates in high/low/null and the whole risk Vs reward system which i'll log when we start, it should be interesting to see if any patterns emerge or not.
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
7
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:46:00 -
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Magnetometric and Radar sites could definitely be made more interesting and profitable. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:12:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:Magnetometric and Radar sites could definitely be made more interesting and profitable.
radar is quite ok imo. you usually get at least one item worth ~10mil.
also: do overseers drop better salvage? i never noticed before but the again, i didn'T really pay attention.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc.
Stealth Wear Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.08.24 05:13:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:also: do overseers drop better salvage? i never noticed before but the again, i didn'T really pay attention.
I am assuming you mean faction rats (the ones that are clearly marked as such) or the 'bosses' in ded sites - yes, they can yield tech 2 salvage, but then again it's random.
[edit]There is a bit of misunderstanding about those 'overseer rats' sometimes. For instance in various unrated complexes there can be named rats that people might think they are special, but are in fact just normal rats with just a name (hence named). The best way to see if you want to lock the wreck up and salvage is to have the Type column on your overview and look for 'xxx commander wreck' (i think that's what it says for those faction ships). Or bookmark each room and get your noctis  [/edit] |
Sanitation Engineer
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.27 02:53:00 -
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I've made tens of billions of ISK doing only high sec exploration. You just have to understand the game mechanics. Nothing more. |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant
Tribal Band
112
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:03:00 -
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I personally love exploration. The same way you do with the feeling of getting a full lock on a sig.
dat feel bro, dat feel
Anyway, get into NPC Nullsec if you like going solo, join up with a Sov alliance, or what I recommend is getting into a WH Corp. Wormholes will give you a shitton of ISK for actually not too much risk. All you have to do is scan down sites, and get a fleet up and complete the sites.
My favorite thing to do is find Mag sites. Those are probably the best because you don't need much firepower to get through them, just get a buddy to shoot rats for you.
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
243
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Posted - 2012.08.27 13:21:00 -
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My first drop in a stray high sec site was from a 1 stage escalation. I got a low-grade slave implant that went for ~132 mil.
That said, a busy area of high sec will probably make isk generation from exploring hit-and-miss given both the random nature of the exploration AND the increased competition.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.08.27 13:59:00 -
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I just did a big exploration run over the weekend (I just posted a report). Basically, I found that nothing has changed much since the last time I did one: it's fun, but the rewards suck.
Hisec Radar sites are still by far the best sites to run, but also the rarest and hardest to scan down.
Mag sites are okay -- worth running if you find one, but not something I'd spend a lot of time trying to find. (Mag sites often have better ores than hisec grav sites do, too -- I found some Hemorphite and Jaspet in a .8 mag site).
I haven't found a Ladar site in hisec in all the time I've been exploring. I'm not even sure Ladar sites exist in hisec.
Grav sites ought to just be removed from hisec altogether. They're worthless.
DED and unrated complexes are a mixed bag. I've gotten some good faction loot, but mostly the drops are very meh -- not even much high-meta stuff drops. And drone sites are a waste of time since they don't drop alloys any more.
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Sanitation Engineer
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.28 20:33:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:I just did a big exploration run over the weekend (I just posted a report). Basically, I found that nothing has changed much since the last time I did one: it's fun, but the rewards suck.
Hisec Radar sites are still by far the best sites to run, but also the rarest and hardest to scan down.
Mag sites are okay -- worth running if you find one, but not something I'd spend a lot of time trying to find. (Mag sites often have better ores than hisec grav sites do, too -- I found some Hemorphite and Jaspet in a .8 mag site).
I haven't found a Ladar site in hisec in all the time I've been exploring. I'm not even sure Ladar sites exist in hisec.
Grav sites ought to just be removed from hisec altogether. They're worthless.
DED and unrated complexes are a mixed bag. I've gotten some good faction loot, but mostly the drops are very meh -- not even much high-meta stuff drops. And drone sites are a waste of time since they don't drop alloys any more.
This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on the forums next to anything on General Discussion.
Gravimetric sites can contain lowsec ore that isn't otherwise available in highsec. And some miners happen to like those.
Ladar Sites do exist in highsec regions. You're just probing in the wrong region.
Radars/Mag sites are so/so.
DED Complex's are just fine. The deadspace/faction drops are random.
Unrated Complex's are there for newbies to get their feet wet before trying the harder complex's.
According to your 'report' where you probed a WHOPPING 10 systems, your sample size is complete crap.
On the average day I probe at least 70 systems and in some cases 4 entire regions. I've been averaging 1+ Billion ISK in deadspace modules per day, and that is completely ignoring unrated sites, radars, mags.
I only have one actual response then to your "report".
YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. |
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