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Sin Meng
Gallente Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:18:00 -
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CES 2010
Just about anyone who follows electronics knows 3D media is on the horizon (your wallet may di$sagree). While Sony may be at the front of the push it won't be long before we see the same things brought proper to monitors. So, 3D EVE? Post your thoughts and pipedreams!
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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UniToxic
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:29:00 -
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Could be nice, sadly this "3d" technology does not work on everyone, so if it did happen the developers would have to ensure they have 2 clients. This of course however, increases the workload as they have to develop, troubleshoot and fix bugs for this new client also. _________________________
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:34:00 -
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Meh… for most things in EVE, everything would either have to work on a foreshortened scale, making it seem like a miniature models, or everything except your own ship would have to be drawn so close to the "infinite" plane that it wouldn't make any useful difference.
Space doesn't really provide any good scale of depth to take advantage of or show off. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:41:00 -
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3d has come to pcs awhile back, nvidia has had 3d goggles out for some time and driver support for 3d, couple that with a few grand for a new monitor that will run games at a high enough frame rate to handle 3d (3d halves your fps). Tho game support is rather hit and miss period.
So feel free to drop several grand in upgrades let us know how eve works with all that.
Sony is pushing the tech, but other companies already have made prototype 3d monitors that require no glasses, while sony's system needs glasses plus a compatable monitor.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 07/01/2010 16:49:49
Originally by: Nito Musashi 3d has come to pcs awhile back, nvidia has had 3d goggles out for some time and driver support for 3d, couple that with a few grand for a new monitor that will run games at a high enough frame rate to handle 3d (3d halves your fps). Tho game support is rather hit and miss period.
So feel free to drop several grand in upgrades let us know how eve works with all that.
Sony is pushing the tech, but other companies already have made prototype 3d monitors that require no glasses, while sony's system needs glasses plus a compatable monitor.
IIRC, the monitor + 3d shuttering glasses costs $500-$600, not "a couple grand". Also, nvidia has a cheaper solution called "3d vision discover" which uses the classical red/blue glasses. These solution also does not require a 120Hz monitor, as the video card simply renders two frames on top of each other per presentation. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 07/01/2010 16:49:49 IIRC, the monitor + 3d shuttering glasses costs $500-$600, not "a couple grand". Also, nvidia has a cheaper solution called "3d vision discover" which uses the classical red/blue glasses. These solution also does not require a 120Hz monitor, as the video card simply renders two frames on top of each other per presentation.
For what a 13 inch monitor? A good sized lcd running normal refresh will run you that much alone. Nevermind the rig you need to run games at 60/120 fps not sure what the cap needs to be, eve aside since it is not that demanding.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi
Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 07/01/2010 16:49:49 IIRC, the monitor + 3d shuttering glasses costs $500-$600, not "a couple grand". Also, nvidia has a cheaper solution called "3d vision discover" which uses the classical red/blue glasses. These solution also does not require a 120Hz monitor, as the video card simply renders two frames on top of each other per presentation.
For what a 13 inch monitor? A good sized lcd running normal refresh will run you that much alone. Nevermind the rig you need to run games at 60/120 fps not sure what the cap needs to be, eve aside since it is not that demanding.
It's a 22 inch widescreen, actually.
If you turn down the resolution, then games should be mostly playable - especially on EVE which is hardly demanding on your hardware. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
D2O HeavyWater
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:17:00 -
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:19:00 -
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3D gaming is yet another gimmick trying to brush over shoddy game design. If they'd move only 10% of the budget they use for fancy graphics to the game design department, they'd be able to make much more awesome games.
Instead they go: "Hey! LOOK AT THIS BUBBLE!! It's shiny in all rainbow colours and now in 3D!!!" "But it's empty and shallow." "NOOOOO! It's full of SHINY and AWSOME!!! Look how the light glimmers!" ("oh and don't mind the intrusive DRM")
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar 3D gaming is yet another gimmick trying to brush over shoddy game design. If they'd move only 10% of the budget they use for fancy graphics to the game design department, they'd be able to make much more awesome games.
Instead they go: "Hey! LOOK AT THIS BUBBLE!! It's shiny in all rainbow colours and now in 3D!!!" "But it's empty and shallow." "NOOOOO! It's full of SHINY and AWSOME!!! Look how the light glimmers!" ("oh and don't mind the intrusive DRM")
The thing about nvidia's solution, is that little to no effort is required by the developers to get it working. The video card is already rending the world in a 3d space - all it takes is a some extra code in the video card's driver to calculate the appropriate rendering scheme to produce a stereoscopic image. Theoretically, game developers and designers don't even need to lift a finger. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar 3D gaming is yet another gimmick trying to brush over shoddy game design. If they'd move only 10% of the budget they use for fancy graphics to the game design department, they'd be able to make much more awesome games.
Instead they go: "Hey! LOOK AT THIS BUBBLE!! It's shiny in all rainbow colours and now in 3D!!!" "But it's empty and shallow." "NOOOOO! It's full of SHINY and AWSOME!!! Look how the light glimmers!" ("oh and don't mind the intrusive DRM")
Steam and the other internet software distributers are slowly turning that trend around by letting small indi devs publish excellent games that might not have omg DX11 shiney and multi billion dollar earning potential but instead have great gameplay and affordability. Give it some time for this trend to pick up steam so to speak.
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:50:00 -
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22 inch is not that big these days, and try getting some demanding games to run at 120 or 60 x 2 since it has to render the game twice and flash the images to the goggles, which i somehow imagine is a tad more demanding than rendering a game at 120 fps.
Me tries to imagine crysis running at 120 fps and at 1080p + resolution. Drool worthy either way, but would kill most pcs.
Another thing lcd monitors do not downscale all that well, might be nice to think just drop the res down to gain fps but it will look like garbage.
Either way 10 years from now we will all have monitors or holoscreens or some such nonsense and we will all be gaming in hd3d with no silly goggles.
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Callista Sincera
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Callista Sincera on 07/01/2010 18:14:52
Originally by: Nito Musashi 22 inch is not that big these days, and try getting some demanding games to run at 120 or 60 x 2 since it has to render the game twice and flash the images to the goggles, which i somehow imagine is a tad more demanding than rendering a game at 120 fps.
Given that the second image only requires a projection matrix adjustment I'd say that, with some driver optimization, it should be a bit less demanding than actual 120FPS. Or at the very least not more demanding.
Originally by: Nito Musashi Another thing lcd monitors do not downscale all that well, might be nice to think just drop the res down to gain fps but it will look like garbage.
Resolution changes do very little for FPS these days.
Originally by: Nito Musashi Either way 10 years from now we will all have monitors or holoscreens or some such nonsense and we will all be gaming in hd3d with no silly goggles.
That would be fun. Hopefully we'll see a similar development in game design. There have been published some truely crappy titles these past years. |
Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:35:00 -
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Current tech 3d is a dead end. The idea is neat, but the way they're simulating it now it causes blinding headaches if you're light sensitive, and a large share of the population are. |
Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 07/01/2010 18:43:03 Welcome to five years ago. As for 3D EVE, it's damn cool, but gives you a headache in NO time due to you having to refocus between the ship and the UI constantly. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
Sidicarus
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:51:00 -
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I tried the Nvida 3D deal the other day a Frys... For the first 30 seconds it was the coolest thing I have ever seen... But after just a you start noticing a serious, distracting flickering coming from your peripheral vision, and then a tunnel vision effect, you could only see what you were staring directly at... then came the disorientation, I kept losing my balance like a drunk guy.
Eyestrain, eyestrain, eyestrain... headaches would have followed shortly thereafter. Considering y 2 minutes test run, I wont be buying 3D technology in its current iteration.
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Wondering Sumo
Caldari Luna Wolves
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:16:00 -
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I can careless about 3d monitor, as long as they make you ware those glasses it will be a turn off.
Id rather the industry work on touchscreen technology for 32"+ screens. Right now the technology exists, just needs to be cheapened to make it affordable for the avg consumer.
Larger touch screen technology will change gaming forever..... type something here |
Th0rG0d
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:21:00 -
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Until it's projected as a hologram, I don't want it in 3d.....
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Originally by: Swalesey Ok that makes moe sense. op wans corp where he can whack himself in the balls whilst swinging his tackle to some funkeh music. It's so obvious now you say it out loud
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Ascuris Wurm
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:45:00 -
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Instead of seeing how existing games will play in 3D, I think a much more interesting question is: what new kinds of games will the 3D technology enable us to have, that were not playable in 2D. That's where the fun (and the money) will be, IMO.
(Here's the part where I take what I said, and run off to the deep end with it) So if we now play 3 dimensional games squished into a 2D screen, maybe we'll be able to play 4 dimensional games squished into a 3D display... time travel could make a FPS quite fun, for instance.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Wondering Sumo I can careless about 3d monitor, as long as they make you ware those glasses it will be a turn off.
Id rather the industry work on touchscreen technology for 32"+ screens. Right now the technology exists, just needs to be cheapened to make it affordable for the avg consumer.
Larger touch screen technology will change gaming forever.....
You can also set the monitor to show it in 3d to you, but you will need to sit in special spot, try to not move and everyone else will jsut see a very shaky image. (another method)
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ascuris Wurm Instead of seeing how existing games will play in 3D, I think a much more interesting question is: what new kinds of games will the 3D technology enable us to have, that were not playable in 2D. That's where the fun (and the money) will be, IMO.
(Here's the part where I take what I said, and run off to the deep end with it) So if we now play 3 dimensional games squished into a 2D screen, maybe we'll be able to play 4 dimensional games squished into a 3D display... time travel could make a FPS quite fun, for instance.
Alot of FPS's already have time travel in them. And if you mean actual 4d represented in 3 dimensions, you are talking about seeing an object at every point in existed in the time frame you are looking at. For instance, you walking to the bathroom from your computer would look like a big 'snake' of you (think winning solitaire), and imo this would be completely ridiculous and impractical for ANYthing.
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Krxon Blade
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:47:00 -
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Bah.. humongous screens 3d, fancy mices and keyboards, data gloves, 3D graphics, monster quad graphic cards setups.. Hands, ears and eyes are only peripheral units, while real stuff is happening in our brain.
I cant wait for real thing: plugin straight into cortex. -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game |
Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Krxon Blade
I cant wait for real thing: plugin straight into cortex.
What would you do if CCP then deleted your boot.ini?
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:00:00 -
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I don't really get the whole 3d phenomena. I want to see the images on my tv/computer monitor, not floating around in front of me. The only exception would be interactive holographic technology which... is still quite a ways off.
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Ascuris Wurm
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Posted - 2010.01.08 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ascuris Wurm silly stuff
Originally by: GavinCapacitor serious reply as if the silly stuff were serious
Ridiculous? Impractical? Of course...
(Silly Stuff coming) But in that example, what if I shot you before you got to the bathroom where you shot me, then I wouldn't be shot and then you'd shoot me before I shot you, and then it's a race to shoot each other first again and again, before and before I will have had shotten you again before you did it before again... to me... again.
You see?
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.01.08 05:03:00 -
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I don't think 3D media would work well with EVE. For the simple reason that across all these "gorgeous 3D images" would be panels, windows, and boxes.
3D is all well and good when the entire screen is rife with 3D models and effects, but EVE just isn't that kind of game. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2010.01.08 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mire Stoude I don't really get the whole 3d phenomena. I want to see the images on my tv/computer monitor, not floating around in front of me. The only exception would be interactive holographic technology which... is still quite a ways off.
Like pretty much all other technological advances in this area...moving imagery of people wearing little to no clothes engaged in acts only suitable for those over the age of consent(whatever that may be in your country) will lead the way.
I'm sure your imagination can fill in the rest. If it can't, you either don't have one or you're really way too young to be playing EVE --------------------------------------------------- Recruitment thread |
Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.08 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Ascuris Wurm Instead of seeing how existing games will play in 3D, I think a much more interesting question is: what new kinds of games will the 3D technology enable us to have, that were not playable in 2D. That's where the fun (and the money) will be, IMO.
(Here's the part where I take what I said, and run off to the deep end with it) So if we now play 3 dimensional games squished into a 2D screen, maybe we'll be able to play 4 dimensional games squished into a 3D display... time travel could make a FPS quite fun, for instance.
Alot of FPS's already have time travel in them. And if you mean actual 4d represented in 3 dimensions, you are talking about seeing an object at every point in existed in the time frame you are looking at. For instance, you walking to the bathroom from your computer would look like a big 'snake' of you (think winning solitaire), and imo this would be completely ridiculous and impractical for ANYthing.
Time travel is coming. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
Iture
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.08 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Iture on 08/01/2010 08:55:56
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Ascuris Wurm Instead of seeing how existing games will play in 3D, I think a much more interesting question is: what new kinds of games will the 3D technology enable us to have, that were not playable in 2D. That's where the fun (and the money) will be, IMO.
(Here's the part where I take what I said, and run off to the deep end with it) So if we now play 3 dimensional games squished into a 2D screen, maybe we'll be able to play 4 dimensional games squished into a 3D display... time travel could make a FPS quite fun, for instance.
Alot of FPS's already have time travel in them. And if you mean actual 4d represented in 3 dimensions, you are talking about seeing an object at every point in existed in the time frame you are looking at. For instance, you walking to the bathroom from your computer would look like a big 'snake' of you (think winning solitaire), and imo this would be completely ridiculous and impractical for ANYthing.
Time travel is coming.
oh i can see the health warnings on the box now " warning, simulated time travel is known to induce vomiting and temporary existential crisis' in humans "
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Kin Dahl
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Posted - 2010.01.08 09:27:00 -
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Imagine what we will have 50 years from now or a 100 years from now. Its funny you mentioned 3d because Discovery and some other network are starting 3d channels in 201l.
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