EVE Search - Where is the CSM? Do they support the sandbox or not?

Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:

Graic Gabtar wrote:

CSM, where are you?

The last day or so has seen one of the most interesting things to happen in quite a while, with some of the broadest implications for EVE seen in many a year.

Firstly, CCP has stated that their predetermined "investigation" will result in the sandbox ethos being abandoned.

CCP Sreegs wrote:

By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.

Then we have CCP confirm that nothing wrong has been done, however they are still considering if the sandbox is dead.

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Asked whether the players have to deal with any consequences of the case said Peter, "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done. "

Peter says the players have simply taken advantage of cracks within the game, "and is actually very typical for EVE players. There are often amazing diagnosed guys playing the game. It is further submitted that it is respect for the creative songwriting here inside the house, "said Peter, in the end.

So not only do we have multiple public positions from CCP on this (if you include warnings in news items) we have heard NOTHING from the CSM.

So CCP:
- Have posted that they investigations are predetermined.
- Released news items warning players to not stress the game mechanics.
- Publicly confirmed that nothing wrong was done stressing game mechanics but they may act anyway.
- Assets have been seized despite CCP saying nothing wrong was done.
- Are messing with the very concept of the sandbox because they were publicly outplayed.

My question is, where is the CSM? Didn't we elect you to work for the players? What's their view? Do they support the sandbox or CCP's marketing department?

We voted that you may speak. So speak!

For all intents and purposes the Goon group that did this abused a system that they KNEW was broken or not working as intended. After they made 5 trillion someone leaked the information by accident, or did it on purpose to gloat about it to the devs. Only then did the Goons decide to write a post spitting in CCP's face gloating about how they abused said mechanic to make an absolute ridiculous amount of isk in a very short period of time.Now, CCP decides to step in and take assets (supposedly) from the players involved, and I assume anyone who the isk reached.

There are two problems that I suspect CCP had with this entire situation. The first is that the goons were raging **** tards about it, threw it in CCPs face, then heckled them in the thread many times over. When you **** in someone else's sandbox expect some fast repercussions. Secondly, this wasn't a "victimless crime". They abused a mechanic in game that gave huge advantages to one side in the faction warfare. The effectively nullified and disregarded any work that had been done in FW by people using the system as it was intended to be used.

A sandbox is something that the players usually dictate the goings on in the box. The devs of a sandbox try to have a hands off approach unless there is an egregious breach in what the players can do, and what the players should do. The goons crossed that line and then started to dance around like idiots cheering about it very loudly.

In my opinion the people involved in this are lucky they didn't get slapped with bans as well. Yes, this was a very clever exploit of a game mechanic, but it is still making the system do something that it wasn't intended to do.

If the goons had been even remotely humble about the situation I doubt CCP would have stepped in other than making sure this could not happen again. That being said, the goons are douches and had to throw it in CCP and the rest of the Eve communities face so they have to accept the consequences of their actions.

You also have to take into account that if this had been done by a non-nullsec power block alliance the people, and probably the entire corp/alliance, would have been punished far more severely than just having assets removed.

Edit: And goons, please stop having your god damn alts, pets, etc posting topics about this. You are just making matters worse for yourself. Accept the fact that what you did was wrong, and move along. I am sure you can find some other way to troll Eve again very soon.