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Val Duane
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Posted - 2004.11.20 20:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Sir JoJo
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At this point the convo ended with polite greetings. So basically, the guy in the apoc, shot while we were in a Evol gang and things turned out "slightly different" as I said it would.
OHH so u guys counting on special threatment all after who u fly whit? who do u really think u are?
KOS cant be specified to only when u fly alone either u are kos or u are not! and for now all of u are
Suits me fine. Im not expecting to be treated differently....I merely said if you shoot at us while in an evol gang things might turn out slightly differently. At no point did I say please don't shoot at us....on the contrary I encouraged them to shoot at us. A hostile attack on any member of a evol gang will no doubt be seen as a hostile attack on the gang. I was intelligent enough to forsee that weeks before this event happened. Unfortunately the pilot was not intelligent enough to foresee the consiquences of his actions.
But as I said before....This was merely the catalyst of a problem you yourselves created.
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Val Duane
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Posted - 2004.11.20 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sir JoJo
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At this point the convo ended with polite greetings. So basically, the guy in the apoc, shot while we were in a Evol gang and things turned out "slightly different" as I said it would.
OHH so u guys counting on special threatment all after who u fly whit? who do u really think u are?
KOS cant be specified to only when u fly alone either u are kos or u are not! and for now all of u are
Suits me fine. Im not expecting to be treated differently....I merely said if you shoot at us while in an evol gang things might turn out slightly differently. At no point did I say please don't shoot at us....on the contrary I encouraged them to shoot at us. A hostile attack on any member of a evol gang will no doubt be seen as a hostile attack on the gang. I was intelligent enough to forsee that weeks before this event happened. Unfortunately the pilot was not intelligent enough to foresee the consiquences of his actions.
But as I said before....This was merely the catalyst of a problem you yourselves created.
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Znaei
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:03:00 -
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SirMolle, you could not have been more wrong about our intentions regarding Evol.
Those screenshots show annoyed members of NSA. Why were they annoyed at that time? Because your pilots attacked us totally unprovoked. They do not however show the nsa intentions.
Did we plan for war? Yes we did. But was it because we were going to attack BoB? Hell no!. BoB has been attacking almost every alliance in the game, why shouldnt we expect the same?
Calling us warmongers, specially coming from you, because we plan for an invasion on our home territory is nothing but badly executed propaganda.
You may attack us because we we will not abandon our allies in Fade. But you know what? Id much rather waste all my ships and isk rather than going back on my word and backstab someone I consider my friend. Imho, thats what nsa is about.
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Znaei
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:03:00 -
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SirMolle, you could not have been more wrong about our intentions regarding Evol.
Those screenshots show annoyed members of NSA. Why were they annoyed at that time? Because your pilots attacked us totally unprovoked. They do not however show the nsa intentions.
Did we plan for war? Yes we did. But was it because we were going to attack BoB? Hell no!. BoB has been attacking almost every alliance in the game, why shouldnt we expect the same?
Calling us warmongers, specially coming from you, because we plan for an invasion on our home territory is nothing but badly executed propaganda.
You may attack us because we we will not abandon our allies in Fade. But you know what? Id much rather waste all my ships and isk rather than going back on my word and backstab someone I consider my friend. Imho, thats what nsa is about.
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Znaei
SirMolle, you could not have been more wrong about our intentions regarding Evol.
Those screenshots show annoyed members of NSA. Why were they annoyed at that time? Because your pilots attacked us totally unprovoked. They do not however show the nsa intentions.
Did we plan for war? Yes we did. But was it because we were going to attack BoB? Hell no!. BoB has been attacking almost every alliance in the game, why shouldnt we expect the same?
Calling us warmongers, specially coming from you, because we plan for an invasion on our home territory is nothing but badly executed propaganda.
You may attack us because we we will not abandon our allies in Fade. But you know what? Id much rather waste all my ships and isk rather than going back on my word and backstab someone I consider my friend. Imho, thats what nsa is about.
I didnt call the alliance warmongers, i called elements of the alliance warmongers.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Znaei
SirMolle, you could not have been more wrong about our intentions regarding Evol.
Those screenshots show annoyed members of NSA. Why were they annoyed at that time? Because your pilots attacked us totally unprovoked. They do not however show the nsa intentions.
Did we plan for war? Yes we did. But was it because we were going to attack BoB? Hell no!. BoB has been attacking almost every alliance in the game, why shouldnt we expect the same?
Calling us warmongers, specially coming from you, because we plan for an invasion on our home territory is nothing but badly executed propaganda.
You may attack us because we we will not abandon our allies in Fade. But you know what? Id much rather waste all my ships and isk rather than going back on my word and backstab someone I consider my friend. Imho, thats what nsa is about.
I didnt call the alliance warmongers, i called elements of the alliance warmongers.
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kuam
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:09:00 -
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evol, where the children play
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kuam
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:09:00 -
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evol, where the children play
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:09:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 20/11/2004 21:14:43
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Panzer
[ Originally by: Presidio
Yet again Evol demonstrates the only advantage they have and that's their use of spies. Lamest corp/guild I've seen in any MMO I played.
And this is comming from who?
When did I ever spy/posted someone else's chat or forum logs?
How about your alliance? You throw a stone at all of Evolution, but you kind of forgot that the glass-house wall of your own alliance was in between...
As a refresher, which alliance is this:
1) The alliance posted screenshots from the internal JF forums, neatly positioned to make them suitably out-of-context.*
2) The alliance leaders and members start to whine when it becomes apparent that - OMFG! - NCA has spies in their midst! THE LAMEZOR! CALL MIAMI VICE!
3) Presidio laments Evolution's "lameness" for having spies. Again: Call Miami Vice.
* Interestingly enough, when JF made the complete conversation logs public, in response to that, the JF site suffered a sudden attack that pushed it off the net until it was moved off of the jerichofraction.net domain... EDIT: Another point of interest is that the alliance leaders in question claimed they were obtained via a JF director, however, why weren't the directorial section visible? Surely those leaders didn't lie to their own members?
(BTW, the alliance up there was none other than your own, Presidio. Tough luck.)
Seriously Presidio, espionage is a bit of the game called "government". That's part of the game called EVE. If you don't want to be part of that sub-game because it has elements you don't like, then don't. You can move to empire like any other that want to get away from it. Until you do that, you can accept it in the same way the peaceful miner going at the Jaspet in 0.1 systems has to accept that piracy is part of the game.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 20/11/2004 21:14:43
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Panzer
[ Originally by: Presidio
Yet again Evol demonstrates the only advantage they have and that's their use of spies. Lamest corp/guild I've seen in any MMO I played.
And this is comming from who?
When did I ever spy/posted someone else's chat or forum logs?
How about your alliance? You throw a stone at all of Evolution, but you kind of forgot that the glass-house wall of your own alliance was in between...
As a refresher, which alliance is this:
1) The alliance posted screenshots from the internal JF forums, neatly positioned to make them suitably out-of-context.*
2) The alliance leaders and members start to whine when it becomes apparent that - OMFG! - NCA has spies in their midst! THE LAMEZOR! CALL MIAMI VICE!
3) Presidio laments Evolution's "lameness" for having spies. Again: Call Miami Vice.
* Interestingly enough, when JF made the complete conversation logs public, in response to that, the JF site suffered a sudden attack that pushed it off the net until it was moved off of the jerichofraction.net domain... EDIT: Another point of interest is that the alliance leaders in question claimed they were obtained via a JF director, however, why weren't the directorial section visible? Surely those leaders didn't lie to their own members?
(BTW, the alliance up there was none other than your own, Presidio. Tough luck.)
Seriously Presidio, espionage is a bit of the game called "government". That's part of the game called EVE. If you don't want to be part of that sub-game because it has elements you don't like, then don't. You can move to empire like any other that want to get away from it. Until you do that, you can accept it in the same way the peaceful miner going at the Jaspet in 0.1 systems has to accept that piracy is part of the game.
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Znaei
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
I didnt call the alliance warmongers, i called elements of the alliance warmongers.
Sure there are warmongers in nsa, there are warmongers everywhere. Hell Im sure there are ppl that like sheeps more than they should do, that doesnt mean the whole allience does!
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Znaei
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:09:00 -
[102]
Originally by: SirMolle
I didnt call the alliance warmongers, i called elements of the alliance warmongers.
Sure there are warmongers in nsa, there are warmongers everywhere. Hell Im sure there are ppl that like sheeps more than they should do, that doesnt mean the whole allience does!
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Znaei
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
Mankind has been spying since it's inception and since the first human civilization became reality on our home planet Earth some millennia ago.
It has always proven usfull to know about your enemies moves before they can make them, it's like chess, always be 2 steps infront of your adversary. Spies have been executed for ages now when discovered, often tortured to hell and back by their enemies to squeeze every drop of information out of them.
Why should that change now? Why should spies fear ignorant threats thrown at them by pettyfull alt's, who like a spy, doesn't give out their true identity?
I for one don't believe one second that Evolution nor BoB should even have to consider doing something 'illigal' (illigal in an OOC meaning) to achieve intelligence from any entity in Eve.
NSA/FU have been caught while attempting to attack Evolution, with no agression from Evolution's side, so now you must bear the consequenses.
Good luck... I guess
Spys are only useful when they give the correct information. In this case, they didnt. Pls read my post few steps up.
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Znaei
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
Mankind has been spying since it's inception and since the first human civilization became reality on our home planet Earth some millennia ago.
It has always proven usfull to know about your enemies moves before they can make them, it's like chess, always be 2 steps infront of your adversary. Spies have been executed for ages now when discovered, often tortured to hell and back by their enemies to squeeze every drop of information out of them.
Why should that change now? Why should spies fear ignorant threats thrown at them by pettyfull alt's, who like a spy, doesn't give out their true identity?
I for one don't believe one second that Evolution nor BoB should even have to consider doing something 'illigal' (illigal in an OOC meaning) to achieve intelligence from any entity in Eve.
NSA/FU have been caught while attempting to attack Evolution, with no agression from Evolution's side, so now you must bear the consequenses.
Good luck... I guess
Spys are only useful when they give the correct information. In this case, they didnt. Pls read my post few steps up.
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Crimson Smith
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:41:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
Mankind has been spying since it's inception and since the first human civilization became reality on our home planet Earth some millennia ago.
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No ****, eh Mas?
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Crimson Smith
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:41:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
Mankind has been spying since it's inception and since the first human civilization became reality on our home planet Earth some millennia ago.
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No ****, eh Mas?
Gin is my co-pilot. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:52:00 -
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Whether or not something is against the EULA or the Forums TOS is up to the GM's or mods to decide.
I have removed all post pointing to such a discussion. That discussion does not belong on the forums.
Please keep this thread on topic.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:52:00 -
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Whether or not something is against the EULA or the Forums TOS is up to the GM's or mods to decide.
I have removed all post pointing to such a discussion. That discussion does not belong on the forums.
Please keep this thread on topic.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:08:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Sir Molle
I didnt call the alliance warmongers, i called elements of the alliance warmongers.
So much irony, we have clearly exceeded our daily nutritional requirements.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:08:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Sir Molle
I didnt call the alliance warmongers, i called elements of the alliance warmongers.
So much irony, we have clearly exceeded our daily nutritional requirements.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:10:00 -
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Oh and Tatsue, fair enough spies are part of the game.
But do you agree with the BoB reasoning for going to war with the NSA / FU? Are they justified in your opinion?
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:10:00 -
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Oh and Tatsue, fair enough spies are part of the game.
But do you agree with the BoB reasoning for going to war with the NSA / FU? Are they justified in your opinion?
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
NSA/FU have been caught while attempting to attack Evolution, with no agression from Evolution's side, so now you must bear the consequenses.
I knew we should have podded you 
As for this statement, why the bloody hell do you think we would attack Evol for no reason? That's their game, not ours.
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
NSA/FU have been caught while attempting to attack Evolution, with no agression from Evolution's side, so now you must bear the consequenses.
I knew we should have podded you
As for this statement, why the bloody hell do you think we would attack Evol for no reason? That's their game, not ours.
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Stan hyd
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Stan hyd on 20/11/2004 22:21:48
guys in nsa
you got caught with it all showing to the public you voyeurs you.
guys all is fair in love and war every corp at the top of its game has certain members that lets say have split personalities
STIZUM
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Stan hyd
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Stan hyd on 20/11/2004 22:21:48
guys in nsa
you got caught with it all showing to the public you voyeurs you.
guys all is fair in love and war every corp at the top of its game has certain members that lets say have split personalities
STIZUM
FACTA NON VERBA |
Archain
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Presidio
Yet again Evol demonstrates the only advantage they have and that's their use of spies. Lamest corp/guild I've seen in any MMO I played.
tbh PA are too stupid to spy. 
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:25:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Presidio
Yet again Evol demonstrates the only advantage they have and that's their use of spies. Lamest corp/guild I've seen in any MMO I played.
tbh PA are too stupid to spy.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.11.20 23:12:00 -
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Ok one of the linked screen shots was removed. You may post relevant links to the topic from other forums but obviously you must not link anything to profanity or anything of that nature, even if you did not write it you are still responsible for posting an offending the link.
Issues to [email protected] not here!
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.11.20 23:12:00 -
[120]
Ok one of the linked screen shots was removed. You may post relevant links to the topic from other forums but obviously you must not link anything to profanity or anything of that nature, even if you did not write it you are still responsible for posting an offending the link.
Issues to [email protected] not here!
Thread unlocked!
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
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