Nathvas
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Posted - 2010.01.19 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Nathvas on 19/01/2010 16:03:09
I would aggree with you except there is one thing you have to fix first before this argument would have any merrit, and that is stupid producers. Until you fix that, there will always be items on the market for less then what it costs to make it. For some reason, people seem to think that if I mine something myself, get the moon goo from my own poss, it doesn't cost anything, when actuality it does.
For example, I had a pos and was donig a simple reaction with a medium faction poss. Was producing it in the cheapest way possible. and I did the math. 350 isk per unit was the cheapest I could sell it to just pay for the poss's fuel at that time. But the market was selling it for 250isk a unit. If that doesn't convience you then look at his. I was talking to a potentiol customer to sell 200 hammer head BPCs a month. If fell threw because he found a producer who was willing to sell for 2.3-2.5 mill isk each. Now I looked across the entire Tash region which has a nice sized trade hub. the Cheapest I could find the mechanical data cores is 325,000 isk and 280,000 isk a unit. With lvl 4/5 skills. I have just over 50% success rate. So that means I need 4 cores of mechanical and electronic for a guranteed success mathamatically. So 4x325,000= 1,300,000 and 4x280,000= 1,120,000. So thats 2,420,000 to produce one tech 2 hammer head. So if he's selling at 2.5 mill thats only 80,000 isk profit. at ideal scernario. Unfortantly, I don't see enough data cores on the market at that price to meet the needs to produce the customers order.
Wait it gets better. Thats after 3 hours of work. 2 hours inventing and 1 hour collecting the maters plus fees to copy. So if I'm using NPCs facilities to copy, then profits are probably cut in half. So that means at 80,000/3= 23,333 isk an hour. Wow. I might as well go to the belts and pop 3 rate in belts. I could make that much isk in 5 minutes. Wait, I have mulitple research slots. ok. With Lab operation 5 and advance lab operation lvl 4. I have 10 R&D slots. In theory, if all I do is invention. Mathamatically speaking, I can produce 5 BPCs every 2 hours. So 5x23,333= 116,665 profit a hour. Wow, a entire years worth of training, specilizing, half a bill isk in science skills for only .116 mill a hour. Probably 2/3 that after I take out fees from NPC facilities. Be one thing if I can mass produce it like module, then 80k profit a unit would mean something. But with tech 2 invention, the ability to mass produce isn't there.
Now lets do worst case scenario. The guy is selling them for 2.3 mill. So thats 2,300,000 - 2,420,000= -120,000. Thats right the guy is losing a 120,000isk per BPC instead of just selling his datacores on the open market, plus the customer wanted 200BPCs a month. So 120,000x200= 24,000,000 isk losted a month for more work then if he just sold his data cores on the open market.
So in respone I moved my tech 2 invention to 0 space where there is less stupid competition.
In conclusion. We simply need less stupid producers. Pure and simple. So maybye CCP should make a video and explain industry for people. Once we get rid of stupid producers, then maybye we can talk about mission loot. Until then stop blaming the mission runners.
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