Originally by: masternerdguy

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Edited by: masternerdguy on 09/01/2010 05:56:38
Hulkageddon is the kind of thing that makes EVE a fun game. In most MMOs everyone is safe to make money in their little world.....

NOT IN EVE

EVE has real risk and I like that. Hulkageddon is the stuff CCP loves, lets be honest. It builds publicity.

Did you know the average mining Hulk is fitted for almost 300m? Its terrifying. Especially with how inneficient and uneeded mining is to EVE's economy.

Mining on one's own as a noobie hulk often produces less isk/hour than a level 3 mission. With good mining skill support, you still make less than a level 4. Also, mining is the most unsafe profit generator you can do in hi sec.

It is not hard to gank a hulk. Here's how:
You need a battleship that can drop out an alpha damage of about 3,000. This will melt most mining barges. Hulks are a bit tricky, since they have good resists and can tank. So take 2 BS for them.

1. To clarify, no miners! Your not special and you do not support EVE's economy. Almost all manufacturing is done with refined mission loot. Why? Because you can get large quantities of rare ores in total safety! For a miner to do it they have to go to low or null sec!

2. Everyone seems to think Hulkageddon is mean....it really isnt especially with how avoidable it is. Just don't mine without support. And no, an orca fitted for max profit is not support. Effective mining ops employ hired thugs in their corps flying dominixes to bring the pain on gankers.

3. IF you don't like it, you have the power to stop it. All you have to do is unite and defend yourselves. But instead your willing to let yourselves get ganked 1 by 1.

Defense:
I really posted this to tell you how to defend urselves.
1. dont mine alone
2. fit your ship for tank not max cargo capacity.
3. carry combat drones.
4. RR fleet mates are your friends.
5. mine in obscure places.

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Originally by: Konoch

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When the prices of ships and modules go so high that you cant fit your pretty little HAC for less than it costs for a CNR dont ***** to me. Hulkageddon is pointless dumb and will make prices skyrocket throughout all of eve. Hulks will hit 400 million. Most ships will likely double in price if the current rate of killing continues and POS's will shut down across eve because ice mining is probably going to be the most effected from everything thats happened already. 612 exhumers at last count. Congrats boys you're hitting the supply lines for the entire game now you get to see a glimpse of the future of real life.

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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most mins come from missions.

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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most mins come from missions.

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40% is not most. It's not even half.
It is some, or at best, a lot.

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Originally by: Bane Loppknow

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I would like to point out that using combat drones on a suicide ganker in highsec is a very bad idea. Concord WILL pop them, all you need to do is survive long enough. By siccing your drones on them, all you've done is make it perfectly legal for anyone in their corp to come shoot you.

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Originally by: Konoch

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When the prices of ships and modules go so high that you cant fit your pretty little HAC for less than it costs for a CNR dont ***** to me. Hulkageddon is pointless dumb and will make prices skyrocket throughout all of eve. Hulks will hit 400 million. Most ships will likely double in price if the current rate of killing continues and POS's will shut down across eve because ice mining is probably going to be the most effected from everything thats happened already. 612 exhumers at last count. Congrats boys you're hitting the supply lines for the entire game now you get to see a glimpse of the future of real life.

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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most mins come from missions.

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40% is not most. It's not even half.
It is some, or at best, a lot.

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lol 40%......hahahahaah
Ok 40%, but lets take something into consideration.

Where do you get morphite in hi sec?
How about zydrine?

Exactly. All the GOOD minerals come from missions. So what if you can provide 9 trillion veldspar if thats all you can provide.

Not to mention missions provide salvage for rig building.

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Originally by: Tzarus

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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most mins come from missions.

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40% is not most. It's not even half.
It is some, or at best, a lot.

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lol 40%......hahahahaah
Ok 40%, but lets take something into consideration.

Where do you get morphite in hi sec?
How about zydrine?

Exactly. All the GOOD minerals come from missions. So what if you can provide 9 trillion veldspar if thats all you can provide.

Not to mention missions provide salvage for rig building.

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I heard this "rumor" once and again that L4s yield more minerals that a maxed Hulk.

Now you even say that MR yield 40% of the total market minerals.

where did you get this data from?

Any link would be welcome.

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Originally by: Tzarus

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Any link would be welcome.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Posted - 2009.02.04

To give more precise data as the 40% was a figure I used as an overall average was 'of the top of my head' during the meeting taken from the data below.

This was the one month split for all items reprocessed measured mid-august to mid-september 2008.

|| Mineral || Ore% || Loot% || Drone Compounds% ||
||-----------||------||-------||------------------||
|| Tritanium || 46% || 43% || 11% ||
|| Pyerite || 29% || 60% || 10% ||
|| Mexallon || 30% || 59% || 11% ||
|| Isogen || 21% || 56% || 23% ||
|| Nocxium || 18% || 32% || 51% ||
|| Zydrine || 43% || 18% || 40% ||
|| Megacyte || 44% || 39% || 16% ||
|| Morphite || 77% || 1% || 22% ||

* Ore is minerals from the asteroid ores
* loot is modules, ships, charges, drones for example.
* drone compounds are loot items from rogue drones

However, whatever conclusion you draw from those stats, be careful as it does not tell you much really such as how many people were mining or running missions. The number of people running missions is massive compared to number of miners and the source per person much lower overall however it is a large diffuse source. It is a similar story for anytime a player encounters the rogue drones.

The ongoing discussion we are having internally is really around the point of to what degree a specialist profession like mining should be adversely affected by another career path where this forms only one part of their total reward/income pool.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 09/01/2010 07:18:38

Originally by: Tzarus

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Any link would be welcome.

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46 (Linkage)

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Posted - 2009.02.04

To give more precise data as the 40% was a figure I used as an overall average was 'of the top of my head' during the meeting taken from the data below.

This was the one month split for all items reprocessed measured mid-august to mid-september 2008.

|| Mineral || Ore% || Loot% || Drone Compounds% ||
||-----------||------||-------||------------------||
|| Tritanium || 46% || 43% || 11% ||
|| Pyerite || 29% || 60% || 10% ||
|| Mexallon || 30% || 59% || 11% ||
|| Isogen || 21% || 56% || 23% ||
|| Nocxium || 18% || 32% || 51% ||
|| Zydrine || 43% || 18% || 40% ||
|| Megacyte || 44% || 39% || 16% ||
|| Morphite || 77% || 1% || 22% ||

* Ore is minerals from the asteroid ores
* loot is modules, ships, charges, drones for example.
* drone compounds are loot items from rogue drones

However, whatever conclusion you draw from those stats, be careful as it does not tell you much really such as how many people were mining or running missions. The number of people running missions is massive compared to number of miners and the source per person much lower overall however it is a large diffuse source. It is a similar story for anytime a player encounters the rogue drones.

The ongoing discussion we are having internally is really around the point of to what degree a specialist profession like mining should be adversely affected by another career path where this forms only one part of their total reward/income pool.

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Dev post good enough for ya' ?

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Originally by: cyclobs

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sooo, we're not allowed to make money... but you are? :S

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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Originally by: cyclobs

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sooo, we're not allowed to make money... but you are? :S

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nobody is stopping you from making isk.
We deal with ninja looters.

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Originally by: cyclobs

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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Originally by: cyclobs

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sooo, we're not allowed to make money... but you are? :S

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nobody is stopping you from making isk.
We deal with ninja looters.

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yeah but they're not costing you 300+ mil a mission

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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if you agress em and they come back in a pvp ship they can. ITs a growingly popular method.

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Originally by: masternerdguy

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 09/01/2010 07:18:38

Originally by: Tzarus

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Any link would be welcome.

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46 (Linkage)

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Posted - 2009.02.04

To give more precise data as the 40% was a figure I used as an overall average was 'of the top of my head' during the meeting taken from the data below.

This was the one month split for all items reprocessed measured mid-august to mid-september 2008.

|| Mineral || Ore% || Loot% || Drone Compounds% ||
||-----------||------||-------||------------------||
|| Tritanium || 46% || 43% || 11% ||
|| Pyerite || 29% || 60% || 10% ||
|| Mexallon || 30% || 59% || 11% ||
|| Isogen || 21% || 56% || 23% ||
|| Nocxium || 18% || 32% || 51% ||
|| Zydrine || 43% || 18% || 40% ||
|| Megacyte || 44% || 39% || 16% ||
|| Morphite || 77% || 1% || 22% ||

* Ore is minerals from the asteroid ores
* loot is modules, ships, charges, drones for example.
* drone compounds are loot items from rogue drones

However, whatever conclusion you draw from those stats, be careful as it does not tell you much really such as how many people were mining or running missions. The number of people running missions is massive compared to number of miners and the source per person much lower overall however it is a large diffuse source. It is a similar story for anytime a player encounters the rogue drones.

The ongoing discussion we are having internally is really around the point of to what degree a specialist profession like mining should be adversely affected by another career path where this forms only one part of their total reward/income pool.

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Dev post good enough for ya' ?

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if ya read this little line:

"However, whatever conclusion you draw from those stats, be careful as it does not tell you much really such as how many people were mining or running missions. The number of people running missions is massive compared to number of miners and the source per person much lower overall however it is a large diffuse source."

That means CCP divided the total ore income from missions by the amount of people running missions for their chart.

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Originally by: Mathis LeBanc

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&threadID

Originally by: masternerdguy

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 09/01/2010 07:18:38

Originally by: Tzarus

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Any link would be welcome.

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46 (Linkage)

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Posted - 2009.02.04

To give more precise data as the 40% was a figure I used as an overall average was 'of the top of my head' during the meeting taken from the data below.

This was the one month split for all items reprocessed measured mid-august to mid-september 2008.

|| Mineral || Ore% || Loot% || Drone Compounds% ||
||-----------||------||-------||------------------||
|| Tritanium || 46% || 43% || 11% ||
|| Pyerite || 29% || 60% || 10% ||
|| Mexallon || 30% || 59% || 11% ||
|| Isogen || 21% || 56% || 23% ||
|| Nocxium || 18% || 32% || 51% ||
|| Zydrine || 43% || 18% || 40% ||
|| Megacyte || 44% || 39% || 16% ||
|| Morphite || 77% || 1% || 22% ||

* Ore is minerals from the asteroid ores
* loot is modules, ships, charges, drones for example.
* drone compounds are loot items from rogue drones

However, whatever conclusion you draw from those stats, be careful as it does not tell you much really such as how many people were mining or running missions. The number of people running missions is massive compared to number of miners and the source per person much lower overall however it is a large diffuse source. It is a similar story for anytime a player encounters the rogue drones.

The ongoing discussion we are having internally is really around the point of to what degree a specialist profession like mining should be adversely affected by another career path where this forms only one part of their total reward/income pool.

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Dev post good enough for ya' ?

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if ya read this little line:

"However, whatever conclusion you draw from those stats, be careful as it does not tell you much really such as how many people were mining or running missions. The number of people running missions is massive compared to number of miners and the source per person much lower overall however it is a large diffuse source."

That means CCP divided the total ore income from missions by the amount of people running missions for their chart.

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No...in fact that that statement actually helps the argument of the miner. Miners still put up numbers like 40% even though they have considerably less people contributing than with missions. It states nothing about any number being divided having anything to do with any piece of data on that chart. In fact it states the exact opposite of what you said.

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Originally by: Lord Windu

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Yeah Hulkageddon really needed another thread.

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Originally by: genette devo

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you would think smart miners would love hulkageddon,
it isn't exactly hard to avoid a suicide gank if you pay attention,
let the pirates kill the macros and afk guys and help your relative position

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Originally by: Qarthy

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Edited by: Qarthy on 09/01/2010 07:58:35
I think CCP should stop the payouts of insurance for being blow to hell by Concord or self destructing. Would put an end to suicide ganking and insurance scams.

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Originally by: Qarthy

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Edited by: Qarthy on 09/01/2010 07:58:35
I think CCP should stop the payouts of insurance for being blow to hell by Concord or self destructing. Would put an end to suicide ganking and insurance scams.


Still thinks it's stupid that you get paid insurance for getting killed by the cops.

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Originally by: Imweasel09

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That doesn't change the fact that most of the minerals on the market (with 1 exception) are coming from missions

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