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Drokar Gazer Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:48:00 - [1] The UI in Perpetuum Online, a game in development by a small hungarian firm, is identical to EVE's UI, just slightly modified windows, but essentially everyone here will see all the immediate resemblences. Its shocking how blantant they copy it. Look on the right the overview, exactly like EVE, and look at the tactical weapon configuration on the bottom left... just like EVE... chat channels... just like EVE. Are you aware of this CCP? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxpZtezTplo&feature=player_embedded

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:49:00 - [2] Welcome to months ago... Secure 3rd party service

Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:54:00 - [3] They're waiting for that game to actually make money before suing, so there's some proper value involved to sue over. --------
Drokar Gazer Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Chribba Welcome to months ago... sorry Chribba, im not on the forums daily like you, but thanks for pointing out that this was previously know, "my bad" (see i stole this from Tuxford). So what happened with it.. did ccp sell the technology? a little more info? The game looks fun though, cant wait for it to come out.
Swiftgaze Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:56:00 - [5] "illegally" Oh hai America.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.09 17:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Drokar Gazer Originally by: Chribba Welcome to months ago... sorry Chribba, im not on the forums daily like you, but thanks for pointing out that this was previously know, "my bad" (see i stole this from Tuxford). So what happened with it.. did ccp sell the technology? a little more info? The game looks fun though, cant wait for it to come out. My apologies, wasn't meant as a "haha you didn't read the forums". P-O was discovered a long while ago and I am sure CCP is on top of it, and as previous poster said, I also think they are laying a bit low and will go forward when it involves money if so. But as you said, yeah clearly a rip-off no doubt, and I still haven't gotten my invite lol But nice to see some actual gameplay of it - looks... boring - and on that note, I want to try it. /c Secure 3rd party service

Lord Windu Echelon Solutions Echelon.	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:01:00 - [7] I just wish more MMORPG's would make their chat system more like Eve's. I hate the chat system in games like WoW, Fallen Earth and many, many more. ------
Braskyte	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:04:00 - [8] Edited by: Braskyte on 09/01/2010 18:05:44 lol you should read http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Features Player run economy. Time based character development. 1 server and more. Seriously - CCP devs are creating this game cause they are bored of EVE. CCP dev: Dam EVE is boring. Wish we would do something new. CCP dev2: How about we take everything cool from EVE, but like with robots and more lasors! CCP dev team: OMG this is genius! How didn't we think of it earlier. Hmm this actually sounds rather nice. Will have to add to watch list.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:07:00 - [9] As far as I know, unless it's a direct code copy CCP cannot really expect to win in a court of law. You can't copyright or trademark a style except in very rare cases. Nor can you expect to win if what you're claiming damages for brought you no damages, has no chance of bringing you damages, etc. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques As far as I know, unless it's a direct code copy CCP cannot really expect to win in a court of law. You can't copyright or trademark a style except in very rare cases. Nor can you expect to win if what you're claiming damages for brought you no damages, has no chance of bringing you damages, etc. iirc SEGA copyrighted that stupid arrow above the destination in Crazy Taxi... Secure 3rd party service


Amke	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:25:00 - [11] They could have at least ripped a better ui to go on the borrowed game mechanics, talk about being lazy.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Amke They could have at least ripped a better ui to go on the borrowed game mechanics, talk about being lazy. I know I'm in the minority, but I love the Eve UI. If I was making a similar game, I'd copy it. Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
Andrest Disch Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:36:00 - [13] If that's illegal, noone tell Blizzard about LOTRO, or Warhammer Online, or Guild Wars..
Felo Maxun	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:42:00 - [14] Its not just the ui , the draining effects .... looks familiar and the turrets it looks like someone came up with an idea for a game and responded to the design team with the same thing every time "well in eve-online they......" isn't game design about innovation and making good things better not just replicating them.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Amke They could have at least ripped a better ui to go on the borrowed game mechanics, talk about being lazy. Thats funny. And sadly true
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.01.09 18:51:00 - [16] just as a general warning DO NOT use your eve username password at that site . -- \| Capital
Vincent Gaines Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2010.01.09 19:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Chribba But as you said, yeah clearly a rip-off no doubt, and I still haven't gotten my invite lol But nice to see some actual gameplay of it - looks... boring - and on that note, I want to try it. /c I have one I haven't used. Eve mail me if you're interested.
Windows ME	Posted - 2010.01.09 19:45:00 - [18] http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Media:Screenshots Look at their screenshots, especially the docked ones near the bottom. Just look at it. It isn't EVE. /scarcasm off
Drokar Gazer Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.01.09 19:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Braskyte Edited by: Braskyte on 09/01/2010 18:15:29 Edited by: Braskyte on 09/01/2010 18:05:44 lol you should read http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Features Player run economy. Time based character development. 1 server and more. Seriously - CCP devs are creating this game cause they are bored of EVE. CCP dev: Dam EVE is boring. Wish we would do something new. CCP dev2: How about we take everything cool from EVE, but like with robots and more lasors! CCP dev team: OMG this is genius! How didn't we think of it earlier. edit: lol after reading more I cna say its a copy. Checked out combat and the same: optimal, fall off, missile explosion etc. Even has same graphs Hmm this actually sounds rather nice. Will have to add to watch list. Actually after ccp sue them and own the company, they can just merge game with EVE since its a complete duplicate in almost everyway, but then again, they are giving DUST514... sadly a console game for all us computer game players.. that was smart... would have prefered it be integrated directly to EVE rather than having me log off EVE to jump on my xbox360, but i digress. GAme looks interesting but at least i know why.. it copied my favorite game mechanics... and i like EVE UI also. oh and if what i right doesnt make sense i apologize i m haf baked right now.
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.09 19:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Drokar Gazer Actually after ccp sue them and own the company, they can just merge game with EVE since its a complete duplicate in almost everyway, but then again, they are giving DUST514... sadly a console game for all us computer game players.. that was smart... would have prefered it be integrated directly to EVE rather than having me log off EVE to jump on my xbox360, but i digress. Dust isn't being created for EVE players. They've specifically said that it's designed to appeal to a new audience--specifically, console FPS players.

small chimp	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:05:00 - [21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegWedG-jk4 I think this would be more suitable for eve? Please use English on the EVE forums, as per the forum rules.StevieSG
Braskyte	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Windows ME http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Media:Screenshots Look at their screenshots, especially the docked ones near the bottom. Just look at it. It isn't EVE. /scarcasm off CPU, power, capacitor, resistances, armor, fitting...
Asestorian The Debonair	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Asestorian on 09/01/2010 20:15:22 Yes, they have obviously just recreated EVE's UI, but they have modified it a bit. I wouldn't have thought this counted as illegal. I mean, think about it. Most MMOs have UIs that are extremely similar, and yet no one cares that any new MMO has a UI that looks just like any other MMO. This one is only of note because previous to this EVE's UI was completely unique. As long as they aren't directly ripping assets from the EVE client, they aren't really doing anything wrong, in my opinion. Of course, it is still weird to see EVE's UI style in another game. Edit: Also, just to be clear, the game looks like it is really, really, really bad.
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:24:00 - [24] Yea too bad my UI class uses EVE online as a 'bad example of a UI'
Callista Sincera Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Asestorian Edit: Also, just to be clear, the game looks like it is really, really, really bad. Because of the screenshots? They look ok to me. As for the UI, that's obviously "inspired by EVE", but that's about it. There's nothing illegal about it. Just compare Warhammer Online's UI with World of Warcraft's. I like how they improved quite a few things visually. It looks a lot more polished than the EVE UI even thought the functionality seems to be extremely similar. -
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:37:00 - [26] Did I read that Perpetuum is going to have walking in stations?
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Andrest Disch If that's illegal, noone tell Blizzard about LOTRO, or Warhammer Online, or Guild Wars.. More like remind Sony they could pwn Blizzard thanks to everyone ripping off EQ.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:47:00 - [28] Let them have it! Eve's UI is like Window's 3.1 Come on people. Go online. Research UI design. There's so much more out there instead of just floating boxes. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:52:00 - [29] They can't be smart copying the crappiest UI in the game industry.
Benco97 Gallente Shadow Veil Industrial	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:55:00 - [30] The game is actually quite fun but lets not let that get in the way of hating on it, eh? ______________________________________________ Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.

Jordon Spikes	Posted - 2010.01.09 21:00:00 - [31] it look familiar to eve but i dont see anything illegal since basically there just windows, which ms owns the patent and allows devs to use freely
Jessica Watia	Posted - 2010.01.09 21:04:00 - [32] Some of the visuel effects seen in that video seems familiar to, was that nos?
Sandeman Reserve	Posted - 2010.01.09 21:14:00 - [33] This one says it all, IMHO. http://content.perpetuum-online.com/images/content/shots-2009-09-0030.jpg Having said that... while it doesn't look all that exciting, neither does Eve to a lot of folk. I figure a wait and see approach. I'm sure if CCP are at all worried about it, they'll do something when the time comes.
Captain Mastiff	Posted - 2010.01.09 21:30:00 - [34] Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 09/01/2010 21:33:15 Originally by: Sandeman Reserve This one says it all, IMHO. http://content.perpetuum-online.com/images/content/shots-2009-09-0030.jpg Having said that... while it doesn't look all that exciting, neither does Eve to a lot of folk. I figure a wait and see approach. I'm sure if CCP are at all worried about it, they'll do something when the time comes. It would be interesting to see what those "resistances" were named as... I feel sorry for CCP as this isn't "Inspired" it is "Stolen". Granted that WoW and GW are similar they don't effectively steal the concepts from each other. They have just rearranged and renamed some of the fitting panel. Even High/Med/Low slots are there. You'd think they'd make an advancement to that one. The little blue "i" for information on the current active "walker" is even smelling strongly of fish. This is ridiculous... Theres being inspired and then just plain out right stealing ideas. I'd be shocked that there is nothing CCP can do about this blatant stealing of game concepts. I'm sure somewhere in the game they will slip up... forget to rename a mineral and change its picture or something. They will rename stargates to motorways no doubt... Edit: Awwr come on... Where is the internet police? Linkage Linkage I'll be a witness on the stand CCP!! PICK ME :D That is poorly "modified"
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.01.09 21:30:00 - [35] Edited by: mechtech on 09/01/2010 21:30:26 who cares... 90% of modern MMOs are the exact same as EQ/WoW. Quest journal, skill bar, "aggro", tank/dps/healer, they're all clones. If someone wants to use eve as a base for a new mmo, more power to them. As games develop, they go in a new direction, it won't be a carbon copy clone given a year of development. Also, mech mmo (that isn't everquest with mechs or anime mechs), sounds awesome!
Aricaan Profit Union	Posted - 2010.01.09 21:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Jordon Spikes it look familiar to eve but i dont see anything illegal since basically there just windows, which ms owns the patent and allows devs to use freely Which MS ripped off from Apple, who ripped off Xerox.
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques As far as I know, unless it's a direct code copy CCP cannot really expect to win in a court of law. You can't copyright or trademark a style except in very rare cases. Nor can you expect to win if what you're claiming damages for brought you no damages, has no chance of bringing you damages, etc. IANAL, but... "Direct code copy" isn't necessary. Welcome to the world of software patents and intellectual property.
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:49:00 - [38] Originally by: Aricaan Originally by: Jordon Spikes it look familiar to eve but i dont see anything illegal since basically there just windows, which ms owns the patent and allows devs to use freely Which MS ripped off from Apple, who ripped off Xerox. I belive amiga was the first ones to use window based OS. Amiga dos. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Jessica Watia	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:49:00 - [39] Edited by: Jessica Watia on 09/01/2010 22:50:20 Originally by: mechtech Also, mech mmo (that isn't everquest with mechs or anime mechs), sounds awesome! As a Steel Battalion player and Mech Warrior fan boy that ^ is the only reason I hope it does not fail.
Dr Pedigree	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:49:00 - [40] Do u know that ur brain contains copyrighted material since u have watched the UI ingame? Please remove your brain and send it to CCP or get fined? Yeah, right...

Arrano Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:51:00 - [41] Yeah, I don't buy this at all. Unless there's evidence this company actually ripped of something concrete from EVE (a texture, a piece of code, whatever) I don't think there's a problem. The EVE UI is great...so why not use the concepts from it? As someone else already pointed out a LOT of Fantasy MMOs out there are a LOT like WoW. I agree they're pretty blatantly trying to be LIKE eve...but I don't blame them and I don't think it's a problem unless they actually directly used something EVE already made.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.09 22:52:00 - [42] Originally by: Swiftgaze "illegally" Oh hai America. Not even in America.
inupisra	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:03:00 - [43] as of 2003 Hungary was one of the top places for the pirating of copyrighted material. Hungarian government did not care about international copyrigths.
Marcus Laroche	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:03:00 - [44] This reminds me of a game i used to play along time ago called Mechwarrior. Back when games ran on 486's.
Nikodiemus Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:10:00 - [45] The funnies part is the hordes of Eve players that are now in the Perp Beta and are asking for dozens of features similar to eve to be implemented on perp.
Dani SP	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:13:00 - [46] lmao at the docked screenshot... -is this a free game? -if not: can I pay by PLEX? -is Chribba playing it? -me wants a drake robot plz
Avatoin	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:15:00 - [47] they didn't copy. If you look the video shows a minimap. Clearly this is a completely unique UI that wasn't copied or inspired by any other game.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:17:00 - [48] Look on the bright side. Maybe CCP will take this as an opportunity to (further) improve the EVE UI. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Mahai Ano Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:21:00 - [49] Originally by: inupisra as of 2003 Hungary was one of the top places for the pirating of copyrighted material. Hungarian government did not care about international copyrigths. Actually, this is totally *******s. Check mother Russia or China please! (And all developing nations.) Also, ITT: people who have no idea about any legal system in the world whatsoever.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:24:00 - [50] Originally by: RaTTuS just as a general warning DO NOT use your eve username password at that site . THIS

Xodd Hil Gallente Nefantar Tribe Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: RaTTuS just as a general warning DO NOT use your eve username password at that site . THIS Nah, I know a couple of the devs in person. Great guys. :) (And they don't seem to have an unnatural passion for a nerfbat.) 60day ETC
Acrid Acid	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Zartanic They can't be smart copying the crappiest UI in the game industry. quoting for emphasis.
Moonasha	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:47:00 - [53] Edited by: Moonasha on 09/01/2010 23:48:05 While it is disturbingly similar, too bad that game is a steaming heap of ****.
Tzujeih GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:53:00 - [54] This is actually way better than eve UI.
Forge Lag Jita Lag Preservation Fund	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:56:00 - [55] This is what happens when company does not know how to make game accessible via UI and just uses standard context menus, moveable windows and database views. It looks like EvE. So you can as well go all the way. Doh. "Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:01:00 - [56] That looks like a terrible game. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Forge Lag Jita Lag Preservation Fund	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:01:00 - [57] Originally by: Nikodiemus The funnies part is the hordes of Eve players that are now in the Perp Beta and are asking for dozens of features similar to eve to be implemented on perp. This is actually the saddest part about MMOs. Everyone and his dog played WoW, got bored/annoyed/cannot stand it any more, but still wants everything to be like WoW. So the industry stagnates. Same with EvE here, really. "Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
Hra Neuvosto The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:08:00 - [58] That game looks quite horrible...
Cyprus Black Caldari Cowboy Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Drokar Gazer The UI in Perpetuum Online, a game in development by a small hungarian firm, is identical to EVE's UI, just slightly modified windows, but essentially everyone here will see all the immediate resemblences. Its shocking how blantant they copy it. Look on the right the overview, exactly like EVE, and look at the tactical weapon configuration on the bottom left... just like EVE... chat channels... just like EVE. Are you aware of this CCP? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxpZtezTplo&feature=player_embedded There are subtle and major differences between the UI's. The similarity between EvE and PO's UI is reminiscent of EQ2 and WoW's UI similarity. It's not that big of a deal. All MMOs have chat channels, offensive buttons, and an overview of some sort or another. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Haraldhardrade I belive amiga was the first ones to use window based OS. Amiga dos. Oo not really that close -- \| Capital

Poruntubo	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:29:00 - [61] Originally by: DEV Zoom Oh well... it's not that this is a taboo topic, because we won't deny the obvious, but we've all seen the mass hysteria on other boards. And you know what happens if someone is wrong on the interwebs. Do we love EVE? Yes. Even if most of us haven't even played it ever. Did we really want to just copy EVE? Honestly, no. Let's take the UI, I think most of you are picking on that. The thing is, there is only one proper way to display lots of data to users in a useful way, and those are: rows and columns. There is only one way to display blocks of text: in textboxes. The simplest buttons you can do are rectangles with text on them. Combine these in the easiest way you can, add some window-management and you get... Windows. Yes it's true, EVE didn't invent cascaded windows. I think the only reason you see them so similar is because in contrary to all the fancy window-shapes and decorations those fantasy games have out there, both UIs are built up from the simplest primitive building blocks a UI can have. Yes, icons are simply sorted into windows one after another (didn't windows 3.1 have that already?). Yes, quantities on icons are in the lower right corner (where else would you put them?). Yes, we have human heads as avatars (that's unheard of!). Yes, the members of the chat are listed on the right side of the window (irc, anyone?). Yes, you can put a missile launcher (sword) onto your robot's (knight's) chassis (hand). Yes, you actually need to target someone before you accidentally start shooting innocent bystanders. Yes, we have a planet on the login screen (...). I could go on forever. There were also numerous (and I mean it) occasions, where our programmer put together a simple window layout (for example the market) and he just later found out that he almost exactly copied the layout of the EVE one (mind you, he has never seen that before). Because it was just the most logical way. Later on, the following conversation pattern came up again and again ridiculous times: - Ok, I threw some window together for x function, here. - Dude... - ...don't tell me this looks like... - ... Believe it or not, after some time, when we designed something new for the game, we always checked whether EVE has it, and how it looks, so we DO NOT make it the same. And most of the time we honestly tried, but it always turned out that it's the most logical and convenient way to do it. And call me a thief all you want, but I will not make something less usable and ****ed up just so it doesn't look similar to another game. The simple fact that we are using real world references to build up the world of Perpetuum determines us to be "thieves". Lasers have long range and do heat damage. Machine guns do not need energy to function and have a high dispersion rate. Electronics need power to operate. Mining, refining, recycling, manufacturing, patents, licenses, corporations. None of these are unique to EVE. It's the reality we live in. So why do all the people still think we are cloning EVE? Because up until now very few have tried to mimic the economics of reality in such a complex and detailed way as EVE. Now we do. And now for the Top 5 questions ever, which I couldn't answer on other forums: - Are you CCP in disguise? - No. - Are you in any way affiliated with CCP? - No. - Is this Goonfleet's most elaborate scam ever to get all our EVE passwords? - No. - Is the Perpetuum client a keylogger? - Yes, we actually register your keystrokes which are used to move giant robots. We also use advanced braincontrol devices so you will actually want to pay for this. And my personal favorite: - Did you take the leaked EVE source code, and just changed the icons, switched the spaceships to robots and simply put some terrain in it? - Oh God, if it was just that simple... err I mean, no.
Louis deGuerre Gallente VA Holding Void Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:32:00 - [62] irony/sarcasm mode on Well, if you're gonna steal, steal from the best Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie ROTDK is recruiting
Jaggeh The Order of Odin	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:42:00 - [63] on a completely unrelated note Mechwarrior living legends has been released.
Benco97 Gallente Shadow Veil Industrial	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:44:00 - [64] To those saying the game is terrible who almost certainly haven't ever played it I suggest you try applying for the closed beta or wait for the open beta, the game is (A few bugs aside) genuinely fun and while the UI looks like EVE the game doesn't FEEL like EVE. There's space in my life for Eve AND Perpetuum, there's no overlap between the two other than the fact they are both MMOs, they are quite different in gameplay (Despite sharing several core mechanics). Think about it, how many MMO's are made on the EQ template? most of them tbh. ______________________________________________ Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Caroline Cosmos	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:56:00 - [65] Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 10/01/2010 00:57:46 Originally by: Sandeman Reserve This one says it all, IMHO. http://content.perpetuum-online.com/images/content/shots-2009-09-0030.jpg Having said that... while it doesn't look all that exciting, neither does Eve to a lot of folk. I figure a wait and see approach. I'm sure if CCP are at all worried about it, they'll do something when the time comes. Look in the window on the left. There's an item called "Arbalest" lol. Yeah this isn't plagarism... BS. (edit) of course they will say it's just the term for a type of crossbow...
Ick Ickagami	Posted - 2010.01.10 01:04:00 - [66] "Simpsons did it."
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.01.10 01:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Poruntubo Originally by: DEV Zoom Did we really want to just copy EVE? Honestly, no. Of course.
Brugar	Posted - 2010.01.10 01:31:00 - [68] Edited by: Brugar on 10/01/2010 01:32:37 Originally by: Windows ME http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Media:Screenshots Look at their screenshots, especially the docked ones near the bottom. Just look at it. It isn't EVE. /scarcasm off Even the character creation is the same. "Choose school."
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.01.10 03:26:00 - [69] Similar UI? similar concept? So, what's the problem? If Perpetuum has something good that EVE can import back into its game - so copy it! Standing on a moral ground for the sake of the pride or some over zealous morality is meaningless. This is akin to still fighting with bronze swords for its golden colour, rather than switch over to the gray but more practical steel swords. Wrangling over who's copying who isn't going to get anyone anywhere, tbh.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:03:00 - [70] I particularly like this bit… Originally by: DEV Zoom The simple fact that we are using real world references to build up the world of Perpetuum determines us to be "thieves". Lasers have long range and do heat damage. Machine guns do not need energy to function and have a high dispersion rate. Sure. Except that, if they were using real world references, rather than EVE, lasers would have very short range due to diffraction and light-speed lag, and that heat doesn't necessarily have to be the primary way they do damage. And except that everything will need energy to function, if nothing else for aiming and that dispersion can be made largely a non-issue if you design them for the distances you'll encounter in space (and if you don't, you wouldn't use them to begin with). In short, if they were going by real world references, there would be next to no similarities with EVE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

d3vo Isotope Laboratories	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:08:00 - [71] Looks like a lame game.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:15:00 - [72] Patent law has a specific exemption for user interfaces, they can't be patented and UI copyright has rarely held up in court. The issue came up when Runes of Magic was being developed. They used World of Warcraft's user interface designs and art style as closely as physically possible, to the point that it looks like they traced over WoW screenshots to make the UI. But it's perfectly legal and several other games have even since copied WoW's UI and art style. It's up to those guys if they want to use an EVE-like UI, there's nothing CCP can or should do about it. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:44:00 - [73] Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.10 05:04:00 - [74] Originally by: Haraldhardrade I belive amiga was the first ones to use window based OS. Amiga dos. Wrong. Xerox's Alto was the first by about 20 years. (1962)
Omal Oma Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.01.10 05:13:00 - [75] CCP Should be flattered, not offended. If anything, CCP should reach out to them and offer help. All the current methods of suing and roadblocking IP's because of their work (even if it is copied) only drives the cost of creating games. If CCP reached out instead of attacked, possibly in the end if the game is fun and good, there could be something in it for them. ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.01.10 06:56:00 - [76] Riiiight, and for only 500m you can also join Goonswarm! That Dev Zoom guy must think we were born yesterday. I would actually respect them or give the game a shot if they'd admit they flat out copied EVE and want to make a cool mech version. As it stands, blatantly ripping off another game exactly and then denying it and then lying to us is a huge insult and I hope they all fail and DIAF (in their dumb game of course) Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.01.10 07:42:00 - [77] Edited by: Winters Chill on 10/01/2010 07:44:50 The similarities to eve are minor to say the least. Its a robot game, eve is a spaceship game. You can only sue and win if its theft, that UI is similar but not exactly the same, the game itself appears to be completely completely different. Will legal action happen? Not a chance in hell, if eve wins it means there would be a backlog of fantasy games suing each other over UI similarities. PS: you can't take legal action over game mechanics. Only artistic and intellectual property. People in this forum take the word "fanboi" to a whole new level.
Mistress Aja	Posted - 2010.01.10 07:43:00 - [78] Has anyone thought if ccp may have allowed them to use the game engine and basic UI for a monthly fee?
Swiftgaze Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 08:14:00 - [79] Hey. This is a no-thinking-area. We're 13 and we don't like to hear that CCP needs to make money.
Falcon Troy Caldari LOCALSPIKE LLC. SwineFlu.	Posted - 2010.01.10 08:39:00 - [80] You can't deny the EVE-O influence but I don't think you'd really have enough to make a case...they look similar but different enough... _____________ Hai.

Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.01.10 08:44:00 - [81] Originally by: Vaal Erit Riiiight, and for only 500m you can also join Goonswarm! That Dev Zoom guy must think we were born yesterday. I would actually respect them or give the game a shot if they'd admit they flat out copied EVE and want to make a cool mech version. As it stands, blatantly ripping off another game exactly and then denying it and then lying to us is a huge insult and I hope they all fail and DIAF (in their dumb game of course) In his defense, if he openly admitted they were copying EVE, CCP would have a much stronger case should they decide to pursue legal action. Denying it is just a formality at this point.
Jerera Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.10 09:49:00 - [82] The UI in the video is more a mix of Anarchy Online and EVE Online than purely an EVE Online copy. I like it, though. But yeah, you are obviously interested in my post because you're now reading my signature. My English might be choppy - I'm not a native English speaker.
Wesfahrn WESCORP 2.0	Posted - 2010.01.10 09:54:00 - [83] What is the problem excactly?
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.10 10:15:00 - [84] Originally by: Benco97 To those saying the game is terrible who almost certainly haven't ever played it I suggest you try applying for the closed beta or wait for the open beta, the game is (A few bugs aside) genuinely fun and while the UI looks like EVE the game doesn't FEEL like EVE. There's space in my life for Eve AND Perpetuum, there's no overlap between the two other than the fact they are both MMOs, they are quite different in gameplay (Despite sharing several core mechanics). Think about it, how many MMO's are made on the EQ template? most of them tbh. This. Still early development but I can see it being a quite good game once they fix a few problems. Tbh the UI is the thing most similar to eve and that's not the most important thing in a game. There are plenty of other games that have similar game design things to eve such as Darkfall online yet nothing happens about that. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2010.01.10 13:08:00 - [85] Edited by: Fille Balle on 10/01/2010 13:12:26 Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Look in the window on the left. There's an item called "Arbalest" lol. Yeah this isn't plagarism... BS. (edit) of course they will say it's just the term for a type of crossbow... Well, it is actually. Besides, in PO, it's a bot, not a weapon. Big difference. And BG II had a weapon called arablest, did eve copy bg II? Edit: it's actually quite a fun game, even though it's still rather buggy and a lot of features are missing. The biggest plus is that the devs are very often online chatting with the players, and they often implement requested features quickly. They also fix bugs very shortly after they've been reported (if they can reproduce the bug, it's fixed in a matter of days).
Natasja Podinski	Posted - 2010.01.10 13:30:00 - [86] you player have not understanded that this is "walking on planets" to be inplanented into eve online the best internetbride
Lord Windu Echelon Solutions Echelon.	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:21:00 - [87] Originally by: Benco97 To those saying the game is terrible who almost certainly haven't ever played it I suggest you try applying for the closed beta or wait for the open beta, the game is (A few bugs aside) genuinely fun and while the UI looks like EVE the game doesn't FEEL like EVE. There's space in my life for Eve AND Perpetuum, there's no overlap between the two other than the fact they are both MMOs, they are quite different in gameplay (Despite sharing several core mechanics). Think about it, how many MMO's are made on the EQ template? most of them tbh. Not saying it's a terrible game, but after looking at pictures and videos it really just doesn't appeal to me so I wont be trying it. Also it's made by a Hungarian company and I have known of scammers using Hungarian banks in the past, don't really fancy putting my money at risk. ------
Forge Lag Jita Lag Preservation Fund	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:40:00 - [88] Originally by: Lord Windu Also it's made by a Hungarian company and I have known of scammers using Hungarian banks in the past, don't really fancy putting my money at risk. Well if that is your concern, you are in the wrongest place you could be. Hungarian banks track record beats icelandic banks hands down, well anyone does. "Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:42:00 - [89] sorry I just dont see it, your all being hysterycal. there are similarities, but then all mmo UI's have similarities. It was established years ago that you cant copyrite "look & feel"
Awgate	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:46:00 - [90] So westwood should sue everyone RTS released after dune 2? Look its Dune, but instead of cool races that I cant remember the name of they have orcs and humans. Look its Quake, but instead of killing monsters you kill, ehh monsters. And they changed the name of the hero and the game... Who the **** cares if they have copied EVE. Thats whats game development is all about. See a good idea, take and and try make it perfect or just make a plain copy.

Durt McSquirt	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:52:00 - [91] What eve really needs is to open up the UI development for customization, the best part of WoW is that you can customize your ui with an endless assortment of mods.
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:55:00 - [92] Originally by: Andrest Disch If that's illegal, noone tell Blizzard about LOTRO, or Warhammer Online, or Guild Wars.. Are you kidding? They want small (but non-threatening) competitors in their genre to make themselves look big and successful in comparison. Also there is the chance that they come up with a good ideas that can be adopted - instead of paying your own to come up with it and best of all having it tried out on another companies customers without the risk of backfire if they did it themselves.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Ariane VoxDei They want small (but non-threatening) competitors in their genre to make themselves look big and successful in comparison. Also there is the chance that they come up with a good ideas that can be adopted - instead of paying your own to come up with it and best of all having it tried out on another companies customers without the risk of backfire if they did it themselves. So so so true. Originally by: Mistress Aja Has anyone thought if ccp may have allowed them to use the game engine and basic UI for a monthly fee? You make me laugh Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Buff Nerfmeyer	Posted - 2010.01.10 15:55:00 - [94] So these are screenies from planetary interaction in the next EVE expansion, right?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:06:00 - [95] Originally by: Buff Nerfmeyer So these are screenies from planetary interaction in the next EVE expansion, right? Nope. Dust is the action oriented planetary interaction for eve that will be released on consoles. If I am getting the gist of what the devs have hinted at for eves planetary interation it will look something similar to this. They don't call eve spreadsheet online for nothing you know.. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Monkey M3n Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:16:00 - [96] I wonder if they're going to copy the terrible customer service part of eve too :)
evs Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:42:00 - [97] so 8 high med and lo slots is the most logical thing to do as well?
annoing Amarr Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2010.01.10 18:43:00 - [98] Surely plagerism is the sincerest form of flattery? Originally by: Zeba Its all the pron. Fappy people are happy people
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:36:00 - [99] What an idiot would copy one of the worst modern game UIs in existance? No need to sue them, the UI itself is punishment enough.
Unstoppable Warfare	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:50:00 - [100] Want to know how get easily into the Closed Beta? Type into the Motivation Field something about EVE and your invitation will be there in under two days... Obvious copy is obvious

Enkilil Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:11:00 - [101] Guys, I just heard, Michael Jackson just died! I'm serious guys, he's dead! Are you aware of this CCP? slopoke.jpg
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:32:00 - [102] Good job we could never accuse CCP of having ship designs that bear more than a passing resemblence to ships from a certain George Lucas franchise.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:38:00 - [103] Originally by: ShadowMaiden Good job we could never accuse CCP of having ship designs that bear more than a passing resemblence to ships from a certain George Lucas franchise. What, the Executioner? I suppose it does kinda look like an A-wing that has crashed into a lamppost. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jack bubu Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 21:24:00 - [104] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ShadowMaiden Good job we could never accuse CCP of having ship designs that bear more than a passing resemblence to ships from a certain George Lucas franchise. What, the Executioner? I suppose it does kinda look like an A-wing that has crashed into a lamppost. more like the Providence wich looks like a rebellion transport
Ralnik Mutineers	Posted - 2010.01.10 21:37:00 - [105] I'm pretty sure the UI in eve is likely the way it is because so much of it is SQL driven. It's essentially like a little webpage being shown in your game, so there is limited ways it can be displayed. Any other game that uses the same kind of system will also have similar UI's.
Suzy Holmes	Posted - 2010.01.10 21:43:00 - [106] Originally by: Ralnik I'm pretty sure the UI in eve is likely the way it is because so much of it is SQL driven. It's essentially like a little webpage being shown in your game, so there is limited ways it can be displayed. Any other game that uses the same kind of system will also have similar UI's. Did you just say that any game with a database will have to use Eve's gui?.. quality posting.
spitroaster	Posted - 2010.01.11 00:01:00 - [107] got a beta last week and within 10 mins was runnin round in a little crab robot with autocannons and same ****ty clip load so i posted on forums buff minmatar crab robots
Sich Amusieren	Posted - 2010.01.11 00:20:00 - [108] Not Eve Online. Wait, what? Honestly, I'm inclined to think that Perpetuum either licensed or ripped off CCP's game engine. Looking at the graphics, I have a hard time believing that they're NOT using the Trinity engine. It's just too similar.
Dex Timor Forza Di Colpo	Posted - 2010.01.11 00:26:00 - [109] Originally by: Sich Amusieren Not Eve Online. Wait, what? Honestly, I'm inclined to think that Perpetuum either licensed or ripped off CCP's game engine. Looking at the graphics, I have a hard time believing that they're NOT using the Trinity engine. It's just too similar. http://www.ccpgames.com/products/licensing.asp It's possible.
Mik Nostrebor Minmatar Ex Coelis	Posted - 2010.01.11 01:58:00 - [110] I reckon CCP should buy out Perpetuum and add shooting robots to Eve. :)

Ivan Schnyder	Posted - 2010.01.11 02:44:00 - [111] Originally by: Monkey M3n I wonder if they're going to copy the terrible customer service part of eve too :) Hopefully they'll actually respond to people who have problems with gameplay mechanics and technical issues rather than just blow them off to help the mission farmers. We might be pirates CCP, but we're also part of your playerbase and supposedly a big part of what Eve is all about (PVP, pirating, etc).
Fractal X	Posted - 2010.01.11 16:49:00 - [112] Anyone looking at the screenshots can tell the game is a total rip off from EvE. Well Guess what? EvE didnt just appear out of nowhere. Its a total rip off. @the guy saying its a ripoff cos he saw the word "Arbalest": I have news for you. EvE ripped off that word. That word has been there since like the medieval times. It was a name given to a sort of a medieval missile launcher. And EvE ripped off its UI from Windows who from someone else and so on... The ship names, module names, skill names etc all ripped off from real life words/systems. So stop whining and go play the game. I for one am glad someone is taking EvE and doing something with it, for better or worse. Because I find all other MMOs(except EvE) boring. So it will be interesting to see where this game goes.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.01.11 17:29:00 - [113] Well, ECM and ECCM Mods, nosferatu effects and stuff ... Sadly the Mechs totally suck, where is my Mech Warrior V? --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.01.11 19:23:00 - [114] Originally by: Monkey M3n I wonder if they're going to copy the terrible customer service part of eve too :) That will be in DUST 514.
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:10:00 - [115] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Sadly the Mechs totally suck, where is my Mech Warrior V? It's in production, but they've decided to start over. So it'll actually be "Mechwarrior: Reloaded" or something like that. Anyways, it'll be the first game with better graphics. There's a gameplay video out there somewhere, looks like you could die just by watching it.
Lewyrus Jugis Modo Utopia HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2010.01.11 21:53:00 - [116] Originally by: Jack bubu Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ShadowMaiden Good job we could never accuse CCP of having ship designs that bear more than a passing resemblence to ships from a certain George Lucas franchise. What, the Executioner? I suppose it does kinda look like an A-wing that has crashed into a lamppost. more like the Providence wich looks like a rebellion transport Moar ripoff.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.12 04:40:00 - [117] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Sadly the Mechs totally suck, where is my Mech Warrior V? Screw Mech Warrior. Where's my Shadowrun!? (And no, that abortion of a shooter doesn't count – it had somewhere between ***-all and zero to do with the IP). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki*
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2010.01.12 04:48:00 - [118] It is essentially a ground up clone of Eve; visual effects are also identical (salvaging, energy neut, weapon effects). Either CCP licenced their engine (pretty much every developer seems to do this), or is getting ready to lay the litigation ban-hammer to them.
Cyprus Black Caldari Cowboy Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.01.12 05:00:00 - [119] I'll never understand why the most ignorant people feel such a need to share their ill informed opinion. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.01.12 12:29:00 - [120] It looks to me like they are using the same game engine. There is no reason that CCP couldn't have licensed their engine to them. It only means good things for CCP, if that's the case. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00

Navtiqes Space Sheriff	Posted - 2010.01.12 12:39:00 - [121] Originally by: Feilamya What an idiot would copy one of the worst modern game UIs in existance? No need to sue them, the UI itself is punishment enough. This. I love EVE, but man... you couldn't have made a worse UI if you actually tried.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.01.12 13:03:00 - [122] If they licensed the engine from CCP, wouldn't they need to credit CCP somewhere? --------
Druadan	Posted - 2010.01.12 14:17:00 - [123] Originally by: Cyprus Black I'll never understand why the most ignorant people feel such a need to share their ill informed opinion. Because while wise man speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Klingz Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.12 14:57:00 - [124] Originally by: Mik Nostrebor I reckon CCP should buy out Perpetuum and add shooting robots to Eve. :) Would be sweet, when Dust514 is out. ------------ Dozar Klingz I smoke.... It's not easy to be green when you're small. But it's worse to be a cowered when you're big. Smokers are also humens... but not that long...


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